How to avoid brow heaviness with forehead anti-wrinkle injections

Dr. Gavin Chan MBBS, General Registration (MED0001175745) discusses how to have anti-wrinkle injections to your forehead without causing heaviness or drop of the brow or eyelids.
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[@traces2807]

I scoffed at all cosmetic procedures, anti-aging stuff etc. Then I turned 50.

[@MalikaSmile]

hahaha yes, I am turning 50 next year. . I didn't really scoff, but I definitely ignored the whole industry and had a "whatever makes one happy, but not for me." attitude. That has changed dramatically in the last 6 months. I think I might actually be on the menopausal train ? Because I see drastic changes in my face, over a very short period of time. So I have been learning a lot about the subject. What I learned up till now : The only procedures I would get done if my eyes begin to droop, is the eye-lid reduction. If done well, it is seemles. And the second procedure I would get done, if the corners of my mouth begin to droop, is botox in the depressor anguli oris. It is about the only place where I would want botox on my face. To keep my skin firm, with an even complexion and wrinkle free, I am betting my money on the aduro led face mask, that should be arriving any day now. I will see, when I turn 60, if it did anything and if I can postpone a face lift until I am 70 😃 To keep/get the muscle volume in my face and not get wrinkly doing weird faces in the mirror, I started using the Nuface microcurrent device last week 😄 And to top it off, today I bought a second hand HairMax laserband to counter hairloss, that apparently starts when one slips into menopause ? Who knew. 🤷‍♀️ We will see in 5 years if it was all worth it or not 😎

[@duchessdelarue8781]

I’ve always been afraid of doing the Botox but I just turned 48 and I’m starting to see some aging signs especially in between the brows so now I’m considering it now. I will probably do it for the first time real soon. And just like he said I’ve started to unconsciously lift my right brow causing wrinkles to form only on my right side!

[@1besieged]

;D* younger boyfriend !

[@k.b.s4703]

I'm 23 and I'm worrying about this now before it's too late

[@Jade-yx8uu]

I'm 25 and I've noticed I permanently use my forehead muscle to elevate my eyelids. I do this daily without actually realising it. If I try to relax it, it's actually hard to keep it relaxed. Now I already have a wrinkle in my forehead due to this. But Whenever I relax this muscle it causes a lot of heaviness in my eyes and they droop a lot. I just look very sad when I relax my forehead because my eyes start to droop.

[@HiImAlyM]

I’m the same exact way

[@KH-xj5qw]

My son is the same way !! Same age . It’s distinguished 😊

[@claire6838]

@@KH-xj5qw For men it’s “distinguished” lol. I’ve heard someone say this about my SO. He has very deep lines in his forehead and has had since he was in his 20’s. I think in women, though, we aren’t usually though of as looking “distinguished” when we have deep wrinkles, unfortunately!

[@bibinek9950]

I have the same 😬 i lift my brows up to get a more youthful, happy and pretty look in the eyes otherwise i look tired, sad and angry. But now 32 year old I've got deep wrinkles now in my forehead due to this. I don't have money for eyebrow lift surgery, so I always lift them up. But it has caused wrinkles. I wanna do botox to lift them up but I'm scared. I tried once and my brows dropped even more and I looked so mad angry and even worse when relaxed

[@mymayapapaya]

Ask your dr if you have ptosis? I do.

[@tbyjb]

Botox saved me from migraines. Omg. It really helps.

[@TheAmygdaloidfan]

I get headaches from furrowing my brows

[@sondina.]

You are AMAZING! Finally someone clear, detailed, honest and thorough! Thank you SO much..i m bingeing on your videos! I have long suspected that filler lasts WAY longer than on label! Also loved the fat vs filler and this botox review! Really clarifies what I had to experience over the years through trial and error injections.

[@kayshsmith3064]

Loved this! Great explanations for the average person who doesn’t work in the medical field. This really finally helped me understand everything!!!

[@AtefBandary]

Thank you for the very useful informations . you are the best one explained it to me . I have heavy eye lids and my eyebrows is dropped , I wished you were close by. Best regards

[@generationx9294]

*Best* *video* *on* *this* *topic* ... *perfectly* *explained* *easy* *to* *understand* *and* *very* *informative* *Thank* *You* 👌 ❤✌

[@magdalenalichaczewska8393]

I love the way You explain, in many of Your films the same style - very well explained, wish to be teached by You. 👍👏👏👏

[@celestemarler9679]

Love your videos Gavin. You are very good at explaining things at a level most can understand. As a practitioner (Cosmetic Nurse) I find your videos very informative. So thank you! :)

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Thanks Celeste, your comments mean a lot, especially as you are a fellow practitioner.

[@SunxSurfxSand]

You just explained every problem I’ve ever had with Botox. Thank you so much!!

[@YonkelCPrints]

You truly know your stuff..

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

+YonkelC thank you

[@purplephoenixartbymicheled9298]

💪💜💪YES!! That's me..I work out ..and I have a Very small face.But I noticed my forehead looks like a skeleton.Your the BEST🙏🙏

[@stephaniereid7815]

Great info and rationales, I’m trying to learn as much as I can before going into a career, your shared knowledge is appreciated.

[@g.e.1432]

I much rather have Spock eyebrows than droopy tired eyes, a high eyebrow arch (within limits) is a sign of youth. I like that look because it doesn't last and after a few days it goes down a bit and looks more natural.

[@patriciawilson7323]

Fantastic video so well explained love watching your teaching Thankyou again patricia

[@euniqued_plans4536]

Really enjoyed this video - and I'm not really looking to do anything just enjoyed the rationale behind your recommendations :)

[@eleana1239]

Love your channel - very realistic and truthful big thumbs up

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Thank you! Glad you liked the video and hope you enjoy the future videos to come

[@leistone2700]

Thanks Dr Chan, very good information and well explained .

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Thanks so much for your feedback. We'll try to make some more videos in the same style!

[@kimgotaway6264]

This information is super. Thank You for sharing!! Very informative!

[@GypsyTarot]

I've always had high arched brows all my life. I love them. I also have hooded eyes though and my first Botox gave my very heavy lids which made my hoods even worse....

[@nicolelipsky9382]

Omg me too! Well the first time was in between my brows and I was fine...loved it. Second time she convinced me to do forehead and one eyelid in particular feels awful and heavy. My eye lids were already so hooded I won't be doing that again or at least with that dose.

[@YazzyDFS]

very informative video !!! Thank you so much !!

[@christinaweddall9538]

Very interesting and informative. Thank you so much

[@martinosborne9355]

As before Gavin this has helped me so much thankyou I'm becoming an avid fan thankyoujane

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Thanks Jane!

[@lizmasi9918]

Very informative, thank you for this video. I now know what to ask for considering my issues with botox.

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Glad it was helpful for you Liz!

[@carlalouise2459]

Knowledgeable and I like this guy he's unintentionally funny.

[@Skittlesskittles-om6hp]

🙄

[@berniekennedy9793]

brilliant video I have a high forehead I still feel unsure whats best as Ive seen people with fillers who look bloated

[@AgeRightDoc]

Very informative!!

[@ririray8729]

Brilliant info thanks

[@Charaiveti_Om]

Appreciate your candid views and thoughtfulness, Doctor. Really helps. Likewise, can you please share your views on Ultherapy, Doctor?

[@pureffm]

3 years later since you filled my forehead winkles minimally and it held up very nicely.

[@meelahlowrey]

Wow!! Thank you and so very helpful. Recently received Botox in my forehead and now I notice a heaviness on near my brow and forehead. I had no idea why. Once this wears away I will not have Botox in that area again. Thank you so much!

[@avengernemesis7990]

I am coming to see you....soon. You are knowledgeable and I trust your judgement...trust being my main concern. Making an appointment this week.. Adelaide..

[@parkssteve1]

You are excellent

[@zoemason3845]

Great advice, As always

[@bertyarts8363]

Wooh, dank je wel hele goede uitleg ,..thank you

[@sawittojaya3825]

Please make video for botox neck bands ? Thanks Doctor. ❤

[@angelesharriott6264]

Thank you great information I have lines my forehead. I wish your in Texas

[@aviewer390]

THANK YOU!

[@jgalt5002]

thank you i agree overly arched brow make you look older

[@piggypiggy3119]

Thank you ...

[@JJ33438]

Thank you so much.

[@inezcantoia7909]

Thank you to explained!

[@rebeccacartmell9641]

Very informative, love your videos. Much love from the UK , was thinking about having Botox in my forehead but think I will give it a miss due to having heavy brows already. Will stick to having Botox between the brows and brow lift to avoid unnecessary heaviness. 🙋‍♀️

[@percha099]

I suffer the opposite! A hight and strech forehead. Please do a vid about this! 🧚‍♀️❤🙏

[@roxay_rich22]

Thank you for this video. Very informative.

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

thank you Roxanne.

[@mati261000]

Great explanation Dr. Chan. I have a question for you....It's advisable to do submental exercises after submental liposuction to get rid of ripples? Thank you.

[@patriciawilson7323]

Can I just ask when I did my Botox training it was stressed to draw a line central of the pupil and not to cross over into the lateral side of the line to inject Botox . So as far as a small amount of Botox injected into the brow how safe is this Kindest regards Patricia

[@Magymagy]

Thank you. Where do you practice I will love to come for treatment. I had a facial parálisis since two years ago and I feel too much tension on my face I had Botox done and I’m not happy I need your advice and hopefully get help to see my face straight again

[@dellamarie4650]

I have had forehead lines since I was 20. I have had Botox in my forehead but had to stop. My forehead feels like a brick or a dead steak. I just accepted the lines. Thanks for the dermal filler suggestion.

[@Purple9721.]

How long was it before the heavy feeling wore off for you? My face feels like a brick too, it's horrible

[@ijojan]

this is genius!

[@jimboland1730]

What do you think about Radio-frequency tightening of the forehead and eye lids or thread lift?

[@glynisr285]

Hi Doc...I had 36 botox injections..this is what you would use on a migraine patient because I have Trigeminal Neuralgia and TMJ issues. I received relief from it but now have a droopy eyelid. He used 75 units of botox could this cause insomnia because it started from day one of botox even though I take a sleeping tablet. I also had a fusion on C5-C6 about 7 months ago maybe this is adding to the facial pain. What would be the best places to inject. I could email you for the information. I live in South Africa. Many thanks

[@laurabarnett6430]

I recall your video of the MRI that showed filler hanging around for a very long time. Could it migrate downward toward the brows and cause future heaviness on the brow line?

[@anaa4194]

I got infiltring myself..thank you doctor for you wise advise.

[@ashk9356]

absolutely right doc ! i am a victim of such botox

[@kaaittxo]

What do you think about doing a lateral brow lift with just dermal filler? Would that make any much of a difference?

[@AndiLee75]

Thanks ! What about temple filler ? Wish I could come see you , a lot of times I get the heavy brow. I have deeper set eyes, some redundant skin, and tiny forehead.

[@gillianlee8514]

Instead of fillers on the forehead, what’s your opinion of PDO threads as a possible alternative?

[@SN-hg6bx]

Dr Lim , i would really love if you shared your thoughts about PRP use as line/wrinkle fillers🧐

[@MsLouisVee]

Thank you for your insight very helpful

[@jenniferharris7633]

Dr. Chan, I'm a frowner, so I don't have an issue with horizontal forehead wrinkles. Can botox be injected into the orbicularis occuli to stop the frown movement without having to inject the forehead, too?

[@victoriap2519]

I had another 2 lines appeared just right above each brows following the the brow shape , when i just wanted to smooth the horizontal line in the middle of the forehead. it was long time ago and happened maybe 6-7 month after. What happened ? I learnt to relax my forehead muscles through meditation practices , just being conscious about facial movement

[@hcplsmf]

Aha I found my answer thank you!

[@alexandra9985]

I wish you would live in Portugal, i would come to you for sure😉

[@yunzyulekraeva7290]

That is very helpful and interesting, however for someone who already had Botox and the Spock brows occurred how to treat that without causing brow drop?

[@FatimaKhan-fj6bq]

How do you know how many units to use in Botox injections

[@toffahahloua6781]

Dermal filling the forehead may be very dangerous exposing to blindness

[@bodyjewels]

Nisha sent me to you,can you do a very hooded outer eye video but with markers..to show some kinds of placement..i am in the us,always have this issue..Cynthia

[@yasminalibazoglu3424]

Dr Chan, I recently saw someone inject Botox under the eye. Is this a safe place to inject Botox? The after results on this lady really prevented her from having wrinkling when she smiled. Thank you for you advice.

[@emmacascao6703]

How about treat this area with collagen bio estimated like profhilo? Is that correct? Thanks so much

[@mlv4479]

I stumbled upon your videos doing a google search on baby botox. Glad i saw this! I am learning about injections, received some, had the eyelid drop and heaviness, and now experimenting with baby botox for myself. Any thoughts on baby botox? or Micro tox? So far, no heaviness, but i'm very nervous and only on day 4. Last time, day 9 was when the lid ptosis hit. I also do NOT want to drop future clients. I am asian with very hooded lids with visible eyelashes, but the lid drop did completely cover the lashes. so this scenario is sure to be something i'll be seeing or NOT seeing if done properly. LOL. Would love to hear your thoughts on baby botox or if you have a video on that. Thanks!

[@stefanie8304]

how many units would you add to the frontal once you do your glabellar

[@danielhussey3631]

What about using fat transplant injections since even the best fillers only last ~ 2 years? Interested in fat grafting in forehead area.

[@vcvccho2365]

In case after botox on forehead the brows and the eye lips drop down is it possible to put small 2points under the brows for balance ?

[@denisecharlton8040]

Thanks very much for this!. I’ve had 1st time Botox in 3 areas, I have very hooded eyes. I now have one brow up too high and other eye very heavy I can’t see my lid and the skin is sitting in my eyelashes!. Going for check up next week and hope I can get this sorted out! 🙏😊

[@sandi7858]

I just finished listen to a video of yours where you didn’t recommend fillers. What about fat transfer to the forehead?

[@AA-yi2ip]

is it normal if the hair moves with the muscle movement or raising eyebrows so high?

[@user-wg2gw5yh5b]

Sorry for an great.i know that is a great. So,doctor would you talk about fillers in glabella ? Thank you very much

[@alisonburton3624]

In Finland , we call excessive movement of the lateral frontalis, “the Angry Bird” look. Have fun with that phrase. Dr. Alison Burton, Cityklinikka.

[@abuhusamuddeen6817]

☀️🌞🌻شكرا جزيلا

[@Um3omar100]

Is it normal that when I press and pull up my forehead on the injected area my eyebrows started moving up involuntary until I massage it to get the normal look again. I try to avoid pressing on them so that they won't move up

[@patriciawilson7323]

Good morning Can a client who has granuloma annulare on her body and wishes to have Botox on the crows feet what is your advise. I cannot find any information on the contraindications . Your advise much appreciated . Many thanks. Patricia .

[@miralatif5175]

Is it possible to create a more almond shaped eye with Botox with consideration to keeping the brows looking natural? My eyes droop downwards

[@putrielisabeth7699]

what if the eyebrows have risen like a doctor spock because of botox? Is it necessary to add botox in certain areas to lower the tip of the eyebrows?

[@zibbyx]

i have this exact problem, my forehead muscle keeps lifting up even when i am relaxed so i have wrinkles since i was a teen. i first got botox at 26 and now i am 30.. but it won't last cause the movement is still there even when i have botox i feel my muscle pulling up. And botox wears off really quickly. I have heaviness yes but it doesn't bother me personally cause i have high eyebrows arches anyway.

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Thank you for sharing your experience. It's people like you that help others work out what is going on with their faces too!

[@zibbyx]

Could threads work? to lift the muscles so they don't wrinkle? for a permanent solution?

[@jessica0321]

Question! I get confused as to how or why botox around the eye/brow can lead to ptosis, when the effect of placing botox in and around these muscles results in lifting of the eye. Can you explain? Thank you! Love your videos so much.

[@kristenjawor-brady8491]

Will I get charged again if I ask my doctor to fix the spok eye look! I look evil! My brows lift only on the end and now my eyes are more hooded and the skin on my eyes pulls the sides because the outer muscles on my brow still lift but not the inside of my brow! It’s awful! When I put my eyeshadow on I have way more hooded lids. I also had my neck bands done and I see no results. He did my lips and they are crooked. Ugh! He’s been doing these injections since 2003. This was my first time getting anything done.

[@suzannej03]

Which filler product do you use in the forehead?

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

We generally like Emervel Classic

[@kittykat831]

With the injection on the brows to raise them to combat the forehead Botox is there a long term affect for the eyebrows? I really don’t want to mess with that area. I just try to do natural Botox, I only do 4 units in my forehead which helps but doesn’t take them all away. As I’m getting older I want to age gracefully with a touch of help

[@KimSheward]

Doctor, I have extremely strong Gabella's, I go almost to the day (90) and have it done and it never gets btr. I mean yes after the botox but it just keeps on coming back very expensive. Anything else I can do? I can not keep spendin this and I have my Dr. Do my forehead, the Glabella's, the corrugator's the chin, above lip I'm up to $500! It's too much

[@historychannel123]

I have deep elevens. I have been told Botox will not remove these frown lines. Any recommendations I live in Georgia USA. roseingeorgia

[@drnicolavella3305]

Are you not worried about hitting the lacrimal gland if injecting just below the eyebrow?

[@purplephoenixartbymicheled9298]

💪💜💪That's just how I felt..HEAVY.

[@Purple9721.]

How long did yours last before the heaviness wore off?

[@purplephoenixartbymicheled9298]

@@Purple9721. let's see it will be Dec 16 will be 4 months..so around 2 & half months.I noticed my forehead was not feeling so Heavy..even my eye's look wider.However it was my first time..and I'm Definitely on the list for my 4 months.Botox I just loved the way my skin/face looked. Also I Quit Smoking.and I'm taking Collagen. So by December I'm Expecting Really good results🙏🙏

[@Purple9721.]

@@purplephoenixartbymicheled9298 thanks for taking the time to reply! I had Botox for the first time and I think I've maybe been given too much or it's been injected incorrectly because I have like no movement in my forehead, I can only slightly raise the outer corners of my eyebrows and kind of represent jack Nicholson now 😂 As someone who expresses themself greatly through facial expressions this feels quite claustrophobic for me... It's been 4 weeks now and I can see slight improvement but the first couple of weeks I had NO movement at all, my eyebrows seemed to have dropped and my eyes looked squashed. It completely changed my appearance for the worse and I was seriously freaking out and commenting all over KZbin for help and you are the first person to reply so I really appreciate that! I like the fact my forehead lines are gone but I don't think I'd get Botox again because the paralysis has kinda scared me. I'm glad you had a good experience though and also massive well done for giving up smoking! That's brilliant! I was planning on quitting too but seeing as (so I've heard) smoking tends to make Botox wear off faster I've put off giving up for now in the hopes I'll get my old face back sooner 😂

[@purplephoenixartbymicheled9298]

@@Purple9721. Please don't give up on Smoking.🚬 I been Fighting with myself as well I Quit 10 .28 .19 and I'm waiting for the Man in the white coats to lock me up. Lol Really. I'm that Crazy, I Quit So many times and could not handle my Mood swings. They are so So bad. But at the same time I can Breath, sleep so much better, smell better.and other then getting the one time Botox injections. My skin looks A lot better. The Dr. I went to is a Good one. He does all the injections his self. Most of all the ones I read on here are Injectable young girls, seems like they just came out of school. Not that I'm condemning them we all have to start somewhere! I'm fact I'm going to try the Botox one more time. And this time I will tell him how I felt. I go on the 16th. Exactly 4 months.so I will let you know the out come. Cause like you I Loved the out come and I did still have plenty of movement. Less the WRINKLES!!I do think maybe your Dr.May have did a little too much. I did A lot of research and each person reacts different to the Botox.So maybe if you do decide to do it again tell him how you felt. If he or she is a Good Doctor they should know what to or not to inject next time. I wish you luck and I know when you're Ready You will Quit.I too made Sooo Many excuses why I should not Quite. I'm also taking Collagen I get it at Wal-Mart it 25.o.o the one with the bright green cap. And I do believe it's helping my skin and hair is not falling out as much. On KZbin they are girls on here who swar by it too, let's keep in touch. Best wishes. And God Bless. Merry Christmas, I also I'm getting another 1 mil of Juvidurm on my lips. Why not right!! Lol NEVER did anything like this for myself before. I'm putting it all on my CC card. So mite as well do it right.doing something for myself for a change,lol Xoxo

[@Amounie2012]

@@Purple9721. how long did it take for your eyebrows and eyes to go back to normal? Same thing just happened to me and I'm freaking out!

[@kathleenweber1595]

Wisconsin! Where is a good place to go? Doctor says forehead lift, I say no!

[@jacklintan]

Hi Dr Gavin. Do you do any sunken forehead (asian) Sculptra filler treatment ?

[@lotuswrites8905]

Where is this doctor located?

[@WyntrBry]

Love your videos. Anyone have recommendations on facial creams anti aging, etc.???

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[@patriciasodaro8670]

How about concomitant treatment of the glabella to balance any medial brow lowering due to the frontalis stretching/relaxation from the neuromodulator? Shouldn't that help a bit? It would seem so depending on how active and strong the glabellar muscles are I would imagine. If the muscles are really strong, you may get a really good medial brow elevation and conversely if the muscles are smaller and weaker. Right?

[@viccosmeticinstitute]

Wow! What a question! Are you a cosmetic practitioner? It's a good question. In the real world, I don't find that injecting the corrugator (frown) muscle gives much elevation of the medial brow - even though it technically is a brow depressor. I sometimes find that injections go a little bit too high with the corrugator injections and end up hitting the medial frontalis muscle,w hich then depresses the medial brow. This in turn can make 'spock' more likely.

[@evitagleinig6184]

what about forehead implant? it would replace volume? Are they safe? Don't they drop? What about filler - doesn't go down?