MS in India vs FRCS in the UK Which is Better for Doctors

This video is about how to plan your career in the UK after completing MS general surgery from India. What is the significance of the FRCS examination and how does it help your career progress? Options of returning back to India after training in the UK.
The guest in this video is Dr. Tanmoy Mukherjee, a consultant colorectal surgeon in Kolkata, India.

[@atulbirla5157]

Dr suman you are so humble... I personally have huge respect for you God bless you keep it up

[@murali5327]

Very informative sir, Thank you🙏🏻

[@unfilteredtraveller]

Very informative, please make a video about job search and how to fill the job applications after MRCS & GMC registration.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You need to create your profile on NHS jobs website. Then apply for jobs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eX7RqGynaL6tkJY

[@unfilteredtraveller]

@@SumanPaulDoc thanks ! 😊

[@firascanada]

Nice to see you my friend Tanmoy

[@quester172]

Sir cant emphasise enough how helpful ur videos are!!!! Thanks a lott sir..

[@Mahavishnuji-bhakt]

Tq sir for informative video explained almost all part of both countries Tq sir for your work Have a wonderful day

[@rumojauqaf7021]

Thank you dr tannoy sir and Suman sir..

[@babajideoladayo4541]

This is one video that I find going back to watch ever so often for its richness and sweep. But I doubt if CESR is acceptable in the Middle East.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

thanks for the appreciation. I agree CESR does not have much value in Middle east

[@supriyaingle3270]

Thanks very much. It clarify many of my concern.

[@supriyaingle3270]

Hi dr Suman, is there way to connect with Dr tanmay?

[@manasdas654]

Sir ,Great Informative Video ,Thanks A lot .Can you please provide the links for the forms required during our ms for ST3 application??Will be of great help

[@SumanPaulDoc]

"Home - eLogbook | Electronic Surgical Logbook Project" www.elogbook.org

[@manasdas654]

Thank You Sir

[@sheljajha3590]

After MS we can get into CCT pathway, right? Or only CESR pathway? Also, does the same apply for “post DNB gen surgery” ? Or do they not consider DNB at all?

[@babajideoladayo4541]

Good evening, sir. I have gone through the eligibility requirements for being shortlisted for interview for ST 3 application for General Surgery training in the UK and I have realised that my chances will diminish the longer I stay in my home country trying to finish my training to be a consultant surgeon. Would you advise me to come to the UK immediately in order to build my portfolio in order to be more competitive for the training application?. I have passed MRCS part A. Thank you always for your good efforts and for your very excellent videos on the UK journey for not only indian doctors buy also for all IMGs over the world.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I agree that earlier you relocate to UK, higher chances of entering surgical training. But you should be prepared to accept the risk that due to high competition, one may never actually get into core surgical training. Glad to hear that you've passed the MRCS Part A! Now comes the real challenge - getting a spot for General Surgery training in the UK! You better get here soon before all the spots are gone ;)

[@yogeshgehlot3346]

Very informative video sir, bringing insights from doctors of various specialities would be very helpful, I would like to know about anaesthesia Sir,thank you

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Anaesthesia is on my list but I'm struggling to find someone.

[@babajideoladayo4541]

Good morning, sir. I have benefited immensely from your very excellent videos . I will like to ask if BLS and ACLS certificates from the American Heart Association obtained from my home country are helpful courses when applying to ST3 in General Surgery in the UK. Thank you and much blessings.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Thanks for the appreciation. AHA courses are not recognised in the UK. You will need resus council UK courses which are only available in the UK

[@cvakhilkumar4503]

Sir if i wanna do speciality training in uk after internship if i clear mrcs exam then what is pathway for st3 level , should i do three years SHO and gain exp and bulit cv and apply interview is it possible or else better to complete ms in india and clear mrcs and apply for st3 level interview amd join which one is better help me out from this confusion sir pls😢

[@hannahhazra4182]

Thank you for the video ! Wanted to ask how long the ILR is valid supposedly we come back to India after getting it ? Do we have to renew it?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

You can't stay out of the UK for more than 2 yrs during ILR. If you return back even for a day, ILR remains valid.

[@drharrshadakurrande]

Can you please make a video for ENT similar to this?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I don't know any ENT doctor who is IMG

[@navinsundar6694]

Exactly what I needed to know. Thank you so much Suman sir. I have a quick question, is atls mandatory for gmc registration and to attend the interview?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Not for registration.its needed for jobs.

[@sukhdeepkour2135]

Thank you sir Very informative

[@jeffreyashiq1633]

Great 👍

[@kshitijmane6442]

Sir m doing paediatric surgery now If I want to go to UK after completion mch How should I proceed with it ? Is there scope for paediatric surgeon in UK ??

[@SumanPaulDoc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5bZlH-AadudaJI This video might help. Check out the jobs available for paed surgery on the NHS jobs website.

[@spiritwanderer2220]

Sir if an Indian super specialist say a neurosurgeon clear the FRCS (international) will he be able to practice in uk and other countries where FRCS is accepted like aus and gulf countries?? Please respond ,, thank you sir...

[@SumanPaulDoc]

No. www.jscfe.co.uk/Content/content.aspx

[@shreeya4963]

sir could you elaborate if there are good prospects of work in India if you complete CCT but without doing ms/md in India that’s thinking one wants to move back to India after cct? ps:i have completed my plab 2 this year .I graduated last year .But I am unable to decide should I take the uk route now or do pg in India and then go to uk.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Indian job prospects hardly depend on your qualifications. You should focus on getting CCT from the UK and then move to India. This is more valuable than Indian PG degree.

[@shreeya4963]

@@SumanPaulDoc thankyou for your valuable reply👍

[@nehalrajput4783]

Hello sir !! I m foreign medical graduate I just have passed my FMGE and doing internship in india . With it I M preparing for PLAB I want to know after PLAB , do we need to again give MRCP/CS/OG if want to do residency in Uk?! Please make video about it . My special interest is in OBS & GYNAEC., so please try to reply or make video about what are next steps and how to get admission in residency

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Only PLAB is enough to enter into specialty.the royal college exams are needed later as a part of training

[@alkajangra4414]

Sir i hv 2 options in my mind which I’m confused about , currently I m an intern in India. 1) doing ms from aiims than enter at st3 after mrcs( bcoz as sir said uk trainee don’t get much hands on surgeries so I at st3 I would be in much better place compared to them if I do ms first ,it takes 3yrs and cst also takes 2 yr + 1 yr of non training job after =3yr ) 2) doing plab then moving for uk training pathways Please guide me sir about the possible advantages n disadvantages of both the options that would really helpful of you. Thanks you.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Doing PLAB will help you get into surgical training because ST3 entry will become quite difficult. But with long PLAB waiting time, you will probably complete more than half of your MS by the time you pass PLAB. It's best to get into MS if you are getting a seat. In our time, we were told that AIIMS JR doesn't get enough hands on experience in surgery.did things change now?

[@alkajangra4414]

@@SumanPaulDoc sir , i would like add to here that I hv already booked plab 1 aug 2023 seat . Considering that I would please to hv ur opinion. Thank you sir.

[@Kidsedu1479]

Thank you so much sir, a very informative video sir Sir kindly let me know about the clause of overexperienced for St 3 sir, I have finished my General surgery residency and currently work as a senior resident in government hospital in India I haven't given my mrcs yet sir

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Not mmore than 72hours surgical experience is a desirable criteria, not essential for ST3. specialtytraining.hee.nhs.uk/portals/1/Content/Person%20Specifications/General%20Surgery/GENERAL%20SURGERY%20%E2%80%93%20ST3%202022.pdf

[@spiritwanderer2220]

Hello sir.. I was having a question, let's take an example of a neurosurgeon from India who did his MCH in neurosurgery,,,can he directly take the FRCS (neurosurgery) exam and practice in UK?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

No, FRCS is for UK practicing doctors as clarified in the video

[@spiritwanderer2220]

@@SumanPaulDoc Ok ...so it means first he would have to take up mrcs practice as a neurosurgeon in UK and then he will be able to apply for FRCS??

[@saurabhagrawal6032]

Hello sir I have completed my General surgery MS and 5 years of experience, I have heard about the Mch program in UK by edge hill University, is it a valid GMC training program and would it help me if I choose to complete MRCS and FRCS.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

It's not a GMC recognised training program and won't help you much in career progression.

[@KR123-i9c]

After completing Mch urology, can apply direct in frcs, please suggest

[@SumanPaulDoc]

No

[@KR123-i9c]

Thank u

[@akshayvalappilekandi5629]

Can i become a consultant ENT surgeon in UK after completing my MS ENT in India.. I completed MS ENT 2 months back

[@SumanPaulDoc]

No

[@sofijunaid]

Does it need to be UK consultants to start FRCS A application? Or indian consultants approval can do?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

UK consultants

[@sheljajha3590]

Sir, does all of this apply if we do DNB gen surgery instead of MS ? Or do we have to do anything different? Kindly give your insight on this. 😊

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Same pathway for MS and DNB.

[@ashutoshagrawal3815]

Can a similar video be done for Urology after MS in India?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5bZlH-AadudaJI

[@hinadanish9767]

Sir what about cesr pathway after mrcog and initial specialization in gynae from home country

[@SumanPaulDoc]

It exists as well

[@drprabhatkumar8213]

Is MRCS prerequisite for appearing International FRCS?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Yes www.jscfe.co.uk/content/content.aspx?ID=1

[@yang09231]

Sir after mrcs and Mch from India which ST level can I get in UK....

[@SumanPaulDoc]

ST3

[@Kidsedu1479]

Sir i would also like to know whether the atls course from India is accepted by the RCS sir

[@SumanPaulDoc]

yes, thats what he said

[@avinashreddyAvinashreddy717]

Good day sir…I’m a post MBBS doctor with 2 yrs experience and willing to yake mrcs exam and move to uk…but stuck with few doubts…kindly provide me a way to connect with you sir

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Insta ID- drsuman_paul

[@avinashreddyAvinashreddy717]

@@SumanPaulDoc thank you for providing your insta sir…and kindly do reply sir…

[@santhipriya6525]

Sir i am joining ms ophthalmology in india now what is the pathway to get into ST3 training in ophthalmology and do we need to clear both mrcophtha and frc ophtha in pg

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Ophthalmology starts at ST1.FRCopthal is the exit exam. Will help for sure.

[@edith7624]

Very useful sir.

[@AM-hs7in]

Sir, I am about to enter into Pg course in India. Thank you so much for the efforts in educating and spreading awareness among doctors reg how to make it to the UK. Sir, i am a Bengali too and currently thinking about doing PG in respiratory med from another state with no bond. Then i have a dream of moving to the UK. Basically I want to really follow what you have done sir. It is my humble request to you Sir to please give me a way to contact you like your email id, as I am not on insta or facebook. Thanking you in advance

[@SumanPaulDoc]

[e-mail]

[@AM-hs7in]

Thank u so much Sir.

[@DocNextDoor246]

Ty sir for the informative video, sir i am in the first yr of my ms surgery residency and very keen to crack mrcs n settle in uk so, do i have to start collecting data signed by my hods for the CV from first yr itself or from my 2nd yr

[@SumanPaulDoc]

First year itself

[@DocNextDoor246]

@@SumanPaulDoc thankyou sir for guiding me 👍

[@buggybunny8923]

Hello sir,what about those who have 2 year bond after pg and want to pursue mrcs and go to uk

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Bond has nothing to do with MRCS

[@buggybunny8923]

@@SumanPaulDoc ok sir👍🏻

[@doctorsahebinuk8431]

Is it same for DNB also or only MS is valid for cser n St3 training

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Same for DNB

[@yang09231]

Sir can u make a video to get CCT/CESR/CESR-CP for an Indian Mch Doctor?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

This video is about that only. If you enter training then it's CCT, else it's CESR

[@yang09231]

What about CESR-CP pathway??

[@SumanPaulDoc]

@@yang09231CESR CP is not a separate pathway. Once you get into training and would like to shorten your training based on previous experience, then your program directors will agree a shorter training duration with you. That's when GMC will give you CESR and the pathway will be called CESR CP

[@yang09231]

@@SumanPaulDoc thank you sir

[@dr.sampratidariya03]

Sir i have completed my MS general surgery this year. I want to pursue breast surgery. How is Mch course by edgehill university. I also got selected in Neet SS for Mch course in India. Which one is better for training?

[@SumanPaulDoc]

I have made a detailed video on Edge hill course-will be published on Monday. You should go for Mch.

[@dr.sampratidariya03]

@@SumanPaulDoc means better to go for mch in india. Thank you

[@shilpav1715]

thankyou somuch sir

[@drvivek08]

Thank you very much for the video. I have a doubt. Dr Tanmay said that he is having UK ILR status. How can he retain ILR while he is in India? Because as per rule it would expire after two years of staying outside the UK.

[@SumanPaulDoc]

Yes, 2yrs is the limit but it's enough to decide if he wants to go back. Also visiting UK even for few days will reset the clock to zero.

[@drvivek08]

@@SumanPaulDoc Thank you very much Sir for your reply.

[@drnilotpalduttaneurotology]

Hello ..Suman da..Hope you doing well..Your videos were very encouraging for me..and I passed my MRCS ENT exams recently from Glasgow..Now I am eligible to apply for FRCS ENT exam ..However I had a doubt ,if I do the International FRCS exam I.e JSCFE will that degree be recognized in India like MRCS MRCP ?? Secondly ,if I plan to migrate to UK in future ,can I do it with the Int FRCS ?Eagerly waiting to hear from you .. Dr Nilotpal Dutta Kolkata

[@SumanPaulDoc]

International FRCS is not recognised in the UK and not the same as CCT for MCI recognition. Of course MRCS is a valid degree in India

[@drnilotpalduttaneurotology]

@@SumanPaulDoc thanks a lot

[@malaychaudhary2522]

​@@SumanPaulDocSir, can we apply for FRCS by JCIE after MRCS without going to the UK . Thanks

[@anandiyadav8561]

Sir please make video on Ms orthopedic how can we move to Uk

[@SumanPaulDoc]

It's the same pathway as surgeons.MRCS and then apply for fellowship jobs. getting into training is extremely difficult.

[@anandiyadav8561]

@@SumanPaulDoc sir What will be the Course for orthopaedician for Mrcs ?

[@mehardang9707]

@@SumanPaulDochello sir what options one have after doing MS Ortho from india and MRCS , can u pls tell what you mean by apply for fellowship jobs ?

[@justinvictorian24]

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