How to become REALLY good at Directional Air Roll quickly and efficiently

In this video I explain the method I used to learn Directional Air Roll quickly and efficiently and I discuss some of the methods that I think are inefficient.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

I have another updated video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jZ2sk3xompqEmdk The one thing I changed my mind own is to practice FULLY BOOSTING from the start for the first 5 levels of neon rings. I think this will you learn it even more efficiently. One more thing I forgot to mention: if you air roll left, move your stick counter clockwise direction, if you air roll right, move it clockwise!

[@altskitzo2808]

For those on console try this code (B85B-DBC9-471F-2DDA) its out of the map and you can pretty much fly around forever it helps with getting the feeling of the adjustments you need to make has helped me alot so far but yeah awesome content bro thought id put that in there. Cheers

[@TheFirstAxiom]

That's a great tip for console players! Thanks!

[@dkbandzz5374]

bro this video is gold when u explained it its like it suddendly clicked and i got exponentially better

[@sthylus7]

Thank you, this video is great. Every other guide talks to me like a 5 year old child, but what you’re saying is making sense and it’s given me motivation to try it your way.

[@andinuruljihad2912]

Bro you're a natural teacher.

[@Tbsalvass]

yoooo this actually works its always the small channels that help the most rather than this bigger creators that dont rly take the time. pls do more like this

[@rahdidntask9683]

That's actually true

[@newoperson2577]

forreal tho

[@solofox8546]

They take time but don't care because they also make money coaching

[@jalen5643]

Facts

[@Watsup87]

True

[@christianjt7018]

Great explanation, can you do a tutorial on other mechanics like air dribbles with ARL or flip resets?

[@Equinoks666]

Very efficient method to get good at air roll. Here is my feedback: I've started about a month ago on this map, doing air roll with adjustment with hood facing front only, then back only, then left, then right. Then trying to incorporate the 4 steps made it very difficult, the gap is consequent. Eventually I still worked on it, but at relatively low speed, with a lot of feathering on the boost: not optimal at all because when you air roll in game, it must be fast and accurate, so no time to do 5 complete rolls to get in the correct position to hit the ball. This is where I started to find people on youtube displaying the controller to understand how to constantly adjust with the joystick. Well it's too hard to analyse. And that's why your video, explain that you have to "try hard" to get your brain used to it, is actually the best advise I've seen. It takes some effort to keep trying a couple of hours but it turns out to be very very effective. In a few hours (split in 10-20 min sessions to not burn out), I get the mechanic much better than the last 30 hours spent doing small adjustments like I said above and where my brain was comfortable (ish :) ). Thanks for giving such mindful advise on this tough mechanic

[@travisflint3507]

I started exactly like you and found this video about an hour ago and I’m already ten times better at air roll. I don’t normally comment on KZbin videos but this one seriously made something click for me and now I am 100 times faster with much better car control only in an hour or two I can’t wait to see after a week.

[@Equinoks666]

Good stuff, keep going @travisflint3507 . Updates: after 3 months I achieved ice ring map in 16min no death, then I only practised in free play to air dribble and now, 5 months later, I am quite comfortable at air dribbling with some resets during 1v1 and 2v2. Learning double reset atm

[@chocoha4981]

Yo man please can you detail your training process and your progress?

[@jintekki]

Holy freakin' insanity, dude. I watched this video on the 2nd of this month, exactly two weeks ago. I've done this every day for about 30-minutes to an hour since then, and for the first time ever, I just go through this entire map in 14:30 and with only 9 deaths. Thank you so much for this video. Edit: For those wondering, the first day I couldn't even get through the first level- I spent about an hour and a half and died 800 times.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

that's the way, well done. Now take it to custom training packs and free play and train with the ball (continue to do rings too)

[@SlyDanG]

Hey just wanted to say man, thank you for this video. I’ve been practicing rings using the other guys method of watching the hood and going slow and thinking constantly. Done that off and on for about two months and while it does kinda work for going through rings slowly, it doesn’t actually teach anything about control. Tried your method above the past few days and after 3000 deaths just gunning it like you said, I’m starting to do things that I don’t understand but work well. I’m starting to feel glimmers of control, true control. I am sold on this method and I am throwing myself at it this month. In a few days I’ve seen more progress then two months and many wasted hours watching that damn hood of my car and flicking in a direction

[@TheFirstAxiom]

Hey man! I'm glad you're seeing results! Yeah that method of looking at the hood of the car and flicking in certain directions is a waste of time. Keep going at it and you're going to see crazy improvements over time

[@Hydraty]

Dang, good job mate! Any tips on what you focus on?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

out of curiosity, were you able to to continue consistently with this method? Any results to share if so?

[@SlyDanG]

@@TheFirstAxiom I was actually going to drop a message on here with an update. This method is legit awesome. I have made HUGE progress. I haven’t got the time or patience to put in 30 hours over a few days like you did but I have put that in over the last month in smaller training sessions and I can now do the first 7-10 levels of neon heights with continuous air roll and almost full boost. My level of control has massively increased. I’ve mixed it in with practicing double taps and air roll shots/air dribble and all of that has improved massively This method is by far the best method for learning this. I’m doing so many things now with my car that I don’t even understand but my brain just instinctively does. Top tip for others trying this, you’re going to be tempted to let go of air roll and correct your car. Don’t do this while training this initially. Just fail. Never let go of air roll. And over time your brain will map all the routes out of any position. I noticed In my first ten hours I kept letting go of air roll in tough spots. Once I got rid of that habit and battled through, I noticed a huge leap in my muscle memories understanding of what to do in different car positions. Thanks again man, you’re unlocking a whole new area of gameplay for me

[@melvincooly8]

Where are you now in your progress?

[@saadkelku000]

got it down in under 5h of practise, great vid man thanks a lot

[@sstakr]

The best tutorial of air roll in all yt.

[@jbennyy]

Holy crap bro you literally saved me. i was practicing yesterday and didn’t know wether to adjust constantly or adjust only at certain times. thank you!

[@The_TreyWay]

Looking back did this help you? I’m in your situation you were in a year ago. Any advice

[@Yeetapple]

@@The_TreyWay did u ever learn it?

[@qsol0]

Just coming back to this video. It worked I get what you are saying. The more you think about it the more you lose out on the ability to do it.

[@wavy1873]

This is a great explanation! Thank you man. You earned a sub👍

[@Trembrxne]

thank you so much this actually worked. I was on the ring maps for about 5 hours and I started controlling my car without knowing what I was doing it was like my fingers were just moving by itself

[@kayzuno]

Thank you for this video bro no other videos helped this one made it click for me

[@jbennyy]

you should definitely make more content. i feel like people would enjoy it and seems like your a cool guy

[@DefOfDopeProductions]

This is actually insane. I watched your video last night after work. I had downloaded rings maps on my work pc to give them a try for the first time. Id been trying to learn air roll for about 3 months using the 'singular imput' method. I had made a little bit of progress over that time but still felt extremely clunky and reactionarry with directional air roll. I just spent a few minutes attempting to learn your way. And while am still essentially flairling with no control, I immediately can tell this is a FAR better way to learn. Im simply attempting to fly from one goal post to the other as a start. (I dont have a pc at home so rings is only an option for me like once a week for now) Once I had pulled it off once, i could feel this sort of click id never felt with air roll before. Not thinking about car position or anything, but FEELING like I had somehow controlled the chaos instinctively. Ive spent the last 10 minutes just drilling this way and the control starts coming way faster. I could NOT do this fully boosting with my original method of learning. Not even close. But this just somehow feels easier. I will be spending a LOT of time with this one. Thank you for giving me a new way to approach this mechanic.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

good luck! Just stick with it and you'll see immense progress. Don't feel discouraged if it takes a while since the beginning is the slowest

[@DefOfDopeProductions]

@TheFirstAxiom update. I've had 3 sessions with neon rings so far. Collectively about 2000 deaths. I just made it through level 3 for the second time fully boosting fully air rolling. The sharp turn at the top of level 3 gives me a lot of trouble, and the subsequent left turn is the first real left turn so I had a few attempts where I made the hairpin but couldn't recover to make the left turn after. But anyway, overall seeing progress, this has been really enjoyable.

[@DefOfDopeProductions]

​@TheFirstAxiom Update. I didn't get to touch rings again until about 2 weeks ago. Have been putting in some decent time with it since getting a PC at home again. Anyway. The gains have been exponential. I can link the first several levels of most rings maps now, including ones I have never seen before. On neon and medieval I can do it boosting the entire time now. Finally started incorporating some air roll into my games. This along with some other training has given tangible dividends in game. I've gone up from Plat to diamond in 1s and from d1 to d3 in 2s this season. Thank you again. I will keep grinding. 😊

[@qsol0]

That's so weird but very cool. I'm still trying to get a no death no air roll run but after that I'll try this out.

[@Soulzwtw]

W video I did this method before just messin around and did good but never thought abt actually training like this preciate it

[@boffyrox2]

@The First Axiom Appreciate the video! As someone whos been GC in 1's, 2's, and 3's, the one thing I've felt lacking on for a long time is true car control. And this helps. Some things cant be fully explained/memorized. Eventually it has to become muscle memory via force. Gonna start practicing this every day and hoping to check back in every week/month to share my progess. Best of luck everyone!

[@TheFirstAxiom]

Looking forward to your progress updates! Good luck!

[@boffyrox2]

@@TheFirstAxiom Hey Axiom! I wanted to say that this is the best teaching method for car control, period. I started out Day 1 on Lethamyr's Neon Rings Map with 1,000+ deaths, only to not even complete Level 2. After the hour or so, I said enough. Threw in the towel. But, I stuck with it and surprisingly each day I halved my deaths! After shy of a week, I can now complete Level 1 - 3 in less than 10 deaths in 2-minutes with ARR. Whereas Level 4 - 5 takes roughly 10 - 20 deaths in 3-minutes. Massive improvement! Applying this in freeplay has made Air Dribbles, Double Taps, Ceiling Shots, and so on much easier. I wouldn't say I'm a master. Definitely will continue to practice 1-hour everyday on a variety of ring maps. Especially since I'm weak in ARL. But, I wanted to share my appreciation man. Not something I say often, but this was worth it from such a small channel. Bless, and I'll check in soon!

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@boffyrox2 Glad to hear it worked out so well for you!

[@ebpog4809]

I dont have a pc so i cant really do rings maps but i applied the same logic to free play and now i can air roll from wall to wall and goal to goal in about an hour worth of time, great explanation

[@ebpog4809]

I will say though air roll car control and air roll ball control are two different skills that need to be learned

[@PauloCosta-jw6ox]

I had some experience with the other videos, just trying to throttle at the right spots during a certain time in a rotation. I could get up to level 7 with the lame approach. Then I tried constant boosting just level 1. Oh man, so much harder. It took me 660 deaths and 55 minutes just to pass level 1, but now I can totally get what he is saying in the video. First one felt like a fluke. Second one: 366 deaths and 35 minutes. Felt a bit like a fluke. Third one: 100 deaths (yea, exactly) and 9 min in. A little less like a fluke, but still no confidence. I'll stop here because the main thing I need to improve is height control and the next levels seem better for that. But honestly, the brain is amazing. Feels dumb like guess and check and then suddenly you learn a new maneuver and it feels nice. Much more fun to practice. Expect to get level 1 with only boost in 2k+ tries if you are new to this.

[@ianxe]

update?

[@triplebig]

@@ianxe Very little progress on level 2 even after 1.5k attempts. You need to come into this with some intuition otherwise it’s just gonna be face on wall smashing. I needed to take a step back and learn basic adjustments. What helped was flying around in free play and feather the boost in only one position in the rotation, trying to keep balance. That made the difference for me

[@gaboormani6033]

tsym bro, i feel like i have pretty decent airroll control after 3 months of using your method

[@Itsyaboymoose]

i have been using the same technique and it has done so much for me and i have not quite mastered it yet but i have most control and it works so well

[@darkpuchy]

Great video!! It help me confirmed what I notice the other day when I was practicing my directional aerials. That kind of circular fluid motion with the stick rather than adjusting small paratern is how it clicked for me too. Funny I notice that 2 days ago before watching your video, and you explained it right on, great 👌

[@daveph8302]

One question. Do you feel like this gives you a disadvantage when air dribbling in competitive? Can you stop air rolling at any time to do the mechanics you want such as flip resets? Or does this way of learning condition you too much in terms of having to constantly move your stick and air roll?

[@justinkuderer2251]

No it basically level up your arieal and car control

[@leonume]

Thanks for this! I'm gonna try learning it this way and see how it goes!

[@ilovemitaka]

How did it go?

[@Yeetapple]

HOW WAS IT

[@iSwearToCod]

ive been doing one hour a day of what the first axiom has described, which is continuously boosting while ALWAYS holding air roll left and using analog over and over and i can say for sure that ive been making progress. day 1 - i couldnt finish level 1 - it felt like i would never ever get it. day 2 - still couldnt finish level 1 - but i was starting to notice what some directions do depending on the way my car is facing. day 3 - i finished level 1 finally - now it felt like i was back to 0% progress because when you reach a new level you have to learn a different path so it becomes difficult again. day 4 - i consistently complete level 1 - starting to understand how to go down and to the right thanks to level 2. --- *i'm going to make my updates less often otherwise itll take me forever to type it out when i could really be practing DAR.* --- day 9 - i finally completed level 2! now level 3 seems insane. you have to go high up and to the right. my brain understands how to do it. day 12 - im still on level 3. but im understanding it a lot more now. i have way more muscle memory and i can recover much easier. ive started to use the forward analog more often now as before i was using back on the analog which would make it harder. also when i watch these videos they all seem to use forward left and right the most. i finally understand what they mean when they talk about rotating the analog. sometimes you can rotate the analog anticlockwise completely with good timing and keep yourself going. i havent fully grasped it but its super helpful sometimes. day 15 - just passed level 3! i can pass level 1 usually first or second try now. and level 2 quite shortly after (sometimes) im definitely not consistent at all yet but the progress is 100% there

[@TheFirstAxiom]

nice job!! You'll notice as you keep going you'll get better faster. The beginning is very slow but it speeds up as you keep going.

[@iSwearToCod]

@@TheFirstAxiom yeah thanks i think im past that obstacle. i also wanted to ask you this: do you EVER go back to neutral on your analog but keep air rolling when you do the rings? ive started to do it to help me every now and then. for example if im really happy with the direction im going i can go back to neutral, let it go that way for a bit then continue to move in directions again when i need to change it. i was curious if you ever do it or if its a bad habit im picking up

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@iSwearToCod yeah there are situations where i dont move the stick if i know im good or i move it in circles which is equivalent to neutral since if u do a perfect circle all adjustments cancel each other. try to fly and air roll and move your joy stick in as perfect circles as you can fast, youll notice your direction wont change

[@iSwearToCod]

@@TheFirstAxiom do you mean clockwise? sometimes i do anti clockwise subconsciously . but ive just tried clockwise a few times and it seems to do what you're saying.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@iSwearToCod either way it doesn't matter. i think anti clockwise seems more natural with air roll left

[@GatitoCarreras]

out of all of the tutorials no one ever says keep moving the joy stick 😭😭😭 thanks for this important tip

[@Yeetapple]

ive come back to vouch that after going in rings and just doing (not even concentrating that much) its just clicked and im doing really really good thanks

[@Yeetapple]

Nvm ive done like 20hrs atp and im still struggling on level 2 of rings mannn

[@Yeetapple]

nvm all of a sudden it kinda clicked again and now i can do first 5 of neon heights in 2:20 (i still cant hold down boost the whole time)

[@drwav3867]

I guess this is the most usefull video i ever seen about directional air roll... and trust me i've seen a lot.. thank you thank you

[@Bobertron199494]

Thanks for uploading. Really interesting take on how to learn DAR. Will give this a go because I can't get my head around the different input direction maps which people try to memorise

[@Hydraty]

So how did it go!?

[@anjanathreya8306]

how good are you now?

[@MuscleTeamOfficial]

Thank u so much, I also have the same hate towards ppl saying that u gotta do that stupid, if u see ur cars top, do this, doing micro adjustments, but in reality its a lot more complicated and ur just stunting ur growth doing that. Like, if u spend the time playing/exploring ur cars movement, u will learn this. I've decided to finally give in and learn this after 2 years of ignoring the training, for fun, and Im so glad i found this video. I know someone from a long time ago shit on some youtubers for suggesting the same lesson plan for doing micro adjustments and waiting for car to be in some position, forgot who it was, but they were throwing shade on another youtuber, which I trusted at first, and then got woke, this video is one of those, get woke, vids but ur not throwing shade at specific ppl :) Love u thanks bye

[@JJ-yx6jy]

Yup. I had to unlearn all that crap from the bigger content creators. Great video.

[@Pogomeister]

God, I watched the beginning like three times now and was always wondering what message I received on Discord until I finally realized it’s in the video. ^^

[@TheFirstAxiom]

lmao

[@alexandresen247]

which direction should you rotate for DARR, clockwise or counter-clockwise? and is it different than for DARL?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

I’m not sure to be quite honest. You can se the bottom left of the screen, I think a lot of the time I’m going counter clockwise wise? I use DARL. Try not to think about a specific direction and let your brain figure it out with trial and error. But doesn’t hurt to try both ways to see if one is better than the other

[@eazygfx4815]

I can barely do it with feathering boost let alone holding it. With Airroll left my left turns, slowing down & downward momentum are the hardest. Been kinda trying it for a while now but its not something you get better at with time, ill keep this in mind. Thanks

[@sterben4838]

love u thats how ive learned by myself mean im on the right way

[@R0gue1gNite]

Ty for the video, question, if I'm an air roll left user, I noticed u answered practicing while doing ccw, is there a reason for that, if I practice either way, will it matter?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

it seems that most people who use air roll left find it easier to do it ccw, i'm not sure if it matters but i would suggest doing ccw unless you find cw easier for some reason

[@Raph486]

Thank you for this video, I also think that learning this way allows you to not create blockages by forcing yourself to learn "the million possible positions". I have a question : while you were learning to do it, were you looking at your car or at the Circlers ? Instinctively I want to look at the hoops, but I feel like I should look at my car? Thanks !

[@TheFirstAxiom]

Over time i started looking less and less at the car. I think at the beginning I was looking at the car more

[@bigisland704]

Thanks! I'll give it a try.

[@prod2116w]

thanks bro I was already doing this but I thought I was doing something wrong because I’m always failing

[@iamnotjcook]

There's an old Ganer video where the does something similar. Interesting to see a non "freestyler" take that and turn it into something more digestible and watchable (his camera settings are awful)

[@HerCase]

I spend like 5 hours practicing for now. Great video, just some questions. To be sure I'm on the right path If I use air roll left, then I start doing circles CCW, right? Or is it CW? Do I need to practice sometimes CCW and others CW? What is your aerial sensitivity? When can I start trying to use air roll with the ball? Thanks!

[@TheFirstAxiom]

CCW for air roll left and do it with the ball when u can finish rings comfortably. my aerial sens is 1.4

[@HerCase]

​ @TheFirstAxiom No progress yet, is there something I'm doing wrong? I recorded a short demo :( kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGSTlaekn72fq6c

[@TheWhiteEye.]

@@HerCase yo im not good at air rolling or really knew how (im now plat 1) but I found that when doing rings and air rolling (im doing lethy giant ring map since it have direction and height changes) You wouldnt completely go counter clockwise, look at his stick and see how he's moving it. Its not completely in a full circle but more like back and forth hashes going to the ccw direction than instantly switching to the next side to change direction and move a certain way unless he truly needs too, which when I realized I started to improve quicker (was on 570 deaths, after realizing got it smoothly at 630) Im not good or consistent but It did help me understand it in my head. Like rn im on level two and I immediately to go up I had to do down hashes like a half circle, its just hard to change directions fast and getting used to it is a bit confusing. Still keep doing CCW while understanding this. This is my first day of training and I never was able to even get through the first ring, if I can do that after about 2-3 hours of practice Ik you can be insane.

[@peterunlustig9478]

Hi, I now have tried learning DARL for a while with multiple methods. I now have tried your method for a while and I make decent progress. I now noticed that I always tend to hold the stick in one direction instead of rotating all the time. This tends to limit my control in the air. Do you have any tips to get rid of this bad habbit?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

Hi. Glad to see you're making progress. Start to force yourself to rotate the stick as you fully boost through the rings in order to stay as close to the center of the rings as possible while going full speed. This will force you to utilize the full range of the stick instead of sticking to one side. It's going to seem really hard at first but with time it'll become easier

[@peterunlustig9478]

@@TheFirstAxiomThanks for the quick response, I will try this for the next few days. I also fell for the trap by slowing down the game at first and only adjusting the car when I see the hood or the wheels, but I quickly realized that this method just led to bad habbits and I never got a feel of control over the car. I hope this new approach helps, even though it is frustrating to actively avoid muscle memory

[@traderbully]

Having skipped the last couple of minutes, have you tried applying this to your gameplay as of yet? I to have discovered my own method very similar to yours with a degree of difference. Thank you for the video.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

go to my channel and see my most recent highlight video

[@DavidGonzalez-zc8yy]

But I dont understand how you keep rolling in the same direction (right) even though in some points you point the analog stick to the left, I don't get it, I do it and the car obviously stops flipping that way

[@jacobo7690]

I’ve been doin this for about three days now 1-2 hours of rings per day. I still have no clue how to turn left right or do just about anything although i do sometimes pass the first level of neon rings while fully boosting on accident. Am i supposed to just continue doing the same training routine thing or change it up?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

you need to practice more thats not enought to see results

[@Zeriay]

Update on Progress?

[@Wheyguy]

Hey Thanks for the tutorial. I’ve been going full boost and moving the stick for 6 or 8 hours and I still can’t pass the first neon level (except accidentally). I feel like I’m moving the stick randomly and I still don’t see how you manage to turn left or right. Am I doing something wrong ? Should I focus on the angle and orientation of the car? Thanks for your help.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

did you do it all in one day? Progress appears more after you sleep and try again. I would just continue trying and focus on the type of movements you're making. don't auto pilot

[@Wheyguy]

Ok Thanks for the advice man. Appreciate it!

[@royalb8715]

​@@Wheyguyupdate ?

[@alejitom20051]

Hey! It's a great tutorial! I've been practicing these last couple of days and I'm already seeing lots of improvement!. However, I've been noticing that I am able to complete some levels by using one of the 4 joystick coordinates, up-right, up-left, down-right, down-left, just by moving the joystick in circles at that single coordinate in specific. My question is, how do you know which one of the four coordinates to use? How to know when to combine them? Do you have any advice? Also, is the aerial and controlling sensitivity important when learning this new mechanic? Thank you!

[@TheFirstAxiom]

i think it may have to do with neon rings having rings that go mostly right the beginning. As you start to explore other levels or other maps, you'll notice that you're forced to use different coordinate combinations

[@balladin9200]

which situations is air rolling when flying really necessary? I can use air roll for shooting and recovery, but I wanna learn this since i'm nearing champ, is it really useful compared to just flying and air rolling at the last moment for the direction of a shot? straight up to a high ball for example

[@TheFirstAxiom]

yes, to put it simply, directional air rolling gives you superior aerial car control once you get it down. You can make micro adjustments to easily get your car exactly where you want. This is the reason almost all SSLs and Pros heavily use directional air rolling. Regular air rolling allows movement in 2 dimensions only, why directional allows 3.

[@diehardprogaming]

I got a question, where does the adjustment of your car take place?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

not sure what you mean

[@diehardprogaming]

@@TheFirstAxiom do you wait for the hood of your car to face you before you make the next adjustment?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@diehardprogaming no, adjustments are being made no matter which side is facing me

[@416fx8]

what is your car design

[@SlugMoisture]

been doing this 2 days and have gotten to level 6 using full boost

[@TheFirstAxiom]

nice. do it on medieval rings too. after that you can start feathering boost for other levels but try to hold boost for as much as possible

[@royalb8715]

what's the point of doing circles to go straight on, is there something im missing

[@TheFirstAxiom]

you're usually not air rolling to go straight, you air roll to make micro adjustments to get to a specific place or hit the ball in a certain way with a certain part of the car

[@Pogomeister]

Did your ability to move through Rings maps wihle constantly air rolling transition well to ingame? I mean, do you also air roll a lot when going for aerials and do you have the same amount of control then?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

I have three highlight videos in my channel. Feel free to check them out and decide for yourself! You should notice my improvement in each subsequent one. But definitely you also gotta practice shooting in training packs while air rolling

[@davidemmanuel5552]

Recently I tried this and I Was moving left and right but when i reset u just don't know what I'm doing I just keep going left then a lil right then all left

[@LukeplaysTV]

YOOO huge tip, i started doing this and it helps but try using bakkes mod freestyle mod to slow down the airroll so you can get used to the movemnents, start at 20% then 40-50% then no slow

[@juta6500]

Its impossible to NOT use/see patterns when you have already practiced them and I feel this makes it very difficult to learn the more intuitive way of air rolling 🤔 When you air roll it seems you can turn the car exactly how you want where as I see air rolling still as a combination of turns and patterns and just can't seem to find the more intuitive connection to the car.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

I feel like if you fully boost it should force you to to use patterns and depend more on intuition, did that not work for you?

[@juta6500]

@@TheFirstAxiom I think the answer is to just "let go" and challenge myself to make even more (smaller and shorter adjustments) so that I can overwhelm the conscious mind start making more of those "lucky guesses" instead of trying to stay in control all the time. Also will try different maps/levels so that there is no muscle memory developed yet.

[@juta6500]

@@TheFirstAxiomWould you mind trying to describe how the car feels when you are air rolling? When I do small circles with the joystic and just go with the feel if kinda feels like an out of control garden hose where the car can turn either way depending of the timing and speed of those small circles. Does this resonate at all? :D

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@juta6500 it feels like i'm in control and have an idea where to turn my stick based on my cars orientation to get it to go where I want

[@juta6500]

@@TheFirstAxiomYeah, I'm pretty sure I finally got it. Instead of thinking about individual adjustments its all about constantly spinning the joystick and manipulating the speed and timing of this in relation to the cars spinning motion. To turn you slow down or speed up the spinning. For example start spinning the stick slower so that the car starts to turn, then speed up so that when the car has made one full spin your joystick has made two spins. This way you catch the car in the "neutral" spot, meaning you are in a balanced spot in terms of timing in relation to the car and you can again manipulate the timing to turn either direction (anticipate vs delay). Also its smaller circles rather that full circles with the joystick that you should do to get the feeling of it. It sort of feels like you are balancing/pushing/pulling the car through the timing and tempo manipulation and you stay constantly in the feed back loop instead of going in and out and having to think about individual adjustments. Something like that.

[@billypappas6811]

I am wondering if this has actually worked for anyone? I've not been consistently practicing or anything but... i have tried some hours and i don't get it at all and don't see any improvement.

[@TheWhiteEye.]

yo im not good at air rolling or really knew how (im now plat 1) but I found that when doing rings and air rolling (im doing lethy giant ring map since it have direction and height changes) You wouldnt completely go counter clockwise, look at his stick and see how he's moving it. Its not completely in a full circle but more like back and forth hashes going to the ccw direction than instantly switching to the next side to change direction and move a certain way, which when I realized I started to improve quicker (was on 570 deaths, after realizing got it smoothly at 630) Im not good or consistent but It did help me understand it in my head. Like rn im on level two and I immediately to go up I had to do down hashes like a half circle, its just hard to change directions fast and getting used to it is a bit confusing. Still keep doing CCW while understanding this. This is my first day of training and I never was able to even get through the first ring, if I can do that after about 2-3 hours of practice Ik you can be insane. Just take your time and practice, look at your car and do what you feel is right to adjust, you will start to see and realize how and when a car moves a certain direction.

[@tanny01]

I have been going for an hour now and still got no clue what im doing is this normal?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

lol an hour is nothing. report after 10 hours

[@tanny01]

@@TheFirstAxiom okay will do. Just really hard to keep going when progress takes so long to see

[@tanny01]

At 2 hours and my hand is aching

[@tanny01]

@@TheFirstAxiom seen a bit of progress after 5 hours like I can get past first 2 levels quite quick now but I feel like I’m not using the most efficient air roll like I think I tornado spin to much, is this normal at the start?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@tanny01 yeah just keep practicing

[@archiex6359]

Is it normal for me to completely mess up and not know what direction to put my joystick at first?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

yes

[@archiex6359]

@@TheFirstAxiom k thanks

[@paperell]

hi, nice video, straight to the point. I see you use the underpass method to load the custom map. You may not know but there is a plugin for bakkes mod called "workshop map loader", which doesn't require to overwrite underpass and works perfectly. I've watched your highlights videos and you have good taste in music :D what's the second song in your first highlights video?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

hey! thanks for the tip! and glad you liked the music! It's this kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6XXf31rpdGoeqc

[@paperell]

@@TheFirstAxiom thanks

[@billypappas6811]

What rings map is this?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

neon rings by lethamyr

[@W1TCHMOUNTA1N]

Moreeee - become a creator this is good stuff bruv

[@Negurasis]

How about keyboard?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

I'd assume the same idea applies. Just air roll and use WASD and constantly adjust

[@Perfumery_by_Sabin]

Thanovic said constantly air rolling is a bad habit. Do you disagree?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

Constantly air rolling in all situations no matter what, yes, bad habit. Constantly air rolling in general, no. Look at pros, they constantly air roll many of the times spent in the air. it just gives you insane care control and micro adjustment ability to adjust for everything.

[@AlazarGaming-e5o]

I dont understand. So you just start airrolling and pressing your joystick in random directions until your brain subconsciously knows what to do?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

yeah, but pay attention to what you're doing. Don't autopilot. Try to predict how you need to move it.

[@a9yle]

But It looks like that in your method you're constatly overcorrecting all the time? that way is not boost efficient and it's not the fastest way to go for aerials

[@TheFirstAxiom]

watch any of my highlight videos to see how I applied air rolling in games (especially more recent ones). You learn how to make it boost efficient as you play

[@a9yle]

yeah but the way you demonstrated you kept making adjustments even when there is no need to change direction in some particular moment. And your car was over tilting from one side to the other. a more efficient way would be to not constantly move your joystick, but rather making adjustments when there is a need to do so. @@TheFirstAxiom

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@a9yle if you go full circle it's equivalent to no adjustments made, since they all cancel each other. It's easier to learn while constantly moving your joystick to get familiar with all sorts of ways your car can move. Then you can tone it down as you get more used to what's going on.

[@a9yle]

it's really not. you're just spiraling everywhere wasting boost in the process. It's better to just let go of your joystick or center it. @@TheFirstAxiom

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@a9yle my results speak for themselves. I'm happy with the method and where it got me. Others found it helpful too. If you don't like it you don't have to use it.

[@sethpantz8176]

dude ur a fucking genius

[@dub_slade1179]

bruh im constantly moving my stick and i just keep losing control. im not learning anything.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

how long did you do it for? You gotta do it over and over again for many many hours

[@dub_slade1179]

@@TheFirstAxiom ngl i started doing ring maps 2 days ago trying to learn ARL. I'm just frustrated cuz ik its gonna take a long time to learn.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

@@dub_slade1179 yeah this mechanic is hard and takes long to learn but it's not as long as you probably think. This method is the fastest to learn it imo just grind it out and u gonna start seeing results faster than you think. In 30 hours you'll be decent for example.

[@melvincooly8]

@@dub_slade1179 have u been keeping up with practicing? how r u doin now

[@dub_slade1179]

@@melvincooly8 Much better. Couple days ago I decided to go into rings map and i was able to control my car in a way i wasnt able before. I guess starting off slow and learning and experimenting how to move my stick overtime became muscle memory. Ngl tho this happened after buying rocket pass and getting some new decals and tires. I swear the tires i was using made it easier cuz they stood out and somehow made it easy for me to understand air roll. I might just be overthinking it tho. But ye i havent mastered air roll left but can do it decently and im looking forward to more practice and getting better :)))

[@samix2292]

i think i got it now but sadly im on keybord and mouse :D

[@7InkredibleTruth7]

Quickly he says. 30 hours in 3 days? I barely have 30 hours a month to play... Guess Ill stick to free air roll.

[@TheFirstAxiom]

yeah you should if you don't have the time because it takes a lot of time even if you use the most efficient method

[@alexanderdimitrov7965]

bro did 10 hours every day 💀

[@rayoitalianogamer4966]

Keyword tutorial pls! I need it :)

[@TheFirstAxiom]

I think the same concept applies for keyboard. Just mess around with wasd till you get it down

[@Mealfedo]

capo

[@Labergemusic]

I mean, I've spent 6 months learning, but I haven't put 30+ hours in lol

[@kalex7457]

Hi Axiom, I have been practicing over 50 hours, and I can control ARL with continuous spinning of joystick. One question, How do you get to the point where you don't need to adjust the stick all the time? Every time I stop doing full circle,I disconnect to my car🥲

[@kalex7457]

Here is what my controller looks like kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4WtpohshqmHatUsi=9ujiVuz5DhFNhTnT

[@daveph8302]

One question. Do you feel like this gives you a disadvantage when air dribbling in competitive? Can you stop air rolling at any time to do the mechanics you want such as flip resets? Or does this way of learning condition you too much in terms of having to constantly move your stick and air roll?

[@TheFirstAxiom]

no such disadvantage. I have other videos with highlights demonstrating flip resets for example while holding DAR and stopping when I want

[@daveph8302]

@@TheFirstAxiom Cool, thx for the reply! I have tried a couple 20 min sessions and definitely notice that in certain scenarios I just move in a way that makes sense without thinking about it. Your method is definitely doing something!