How To Break The Lightsaber In 60 Seconds

#StarWars #Ahsoka #CloneWars
When Sabine Wren gets stabbed through the gut with a lightsaber in the Ahsoka series, it raised a lot of questions about why she didn't die?
"Do lightsabers even work anymore?"
"Did Qui Gon die for nothing?"
In this video we go in depth on the logistics of getting stabbed by a lightsaber and why you shouldn't be able to survive this without some life altering consequences. Now stop reading the description and watch the video so you can tell me what you think when you're done!
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[@TheZombie567]

You could argue Finn surviving getting his spine melted by Kylo was the start of this

[@Sir_Squirrel_TheIV]

In my opinion I think it started with maul in the clone wars

[@PuffDaFluff]

​@@Sir_Squirrel_TheIV Did you not see the section in the video talking about Maul? The difference between that and Disney's execution was the reason he could stay alive afterwards and the repercussions he got from the saber wound, no more legs.

[@NinjaTyler]

​@@Sir_Squirrel_TheIVmaul was cut in half but below any vital organs so his surviving makes perfect sense

[@TheReZisTLust]

​@@Sir_Squirrel_TheIVNah Maul took a couple levels in Barbarian so he doesnt die when dead if angry.

[@lasercraft32]

@@Sir_Squirrel_TheIV Maul's revival literally involved dark magic though...

[@MidnightDoom777]

Qui-Gon should only be the exception because of how long he survived. He managed to live out the entire duel, but anyone else from the Clone Wars and Revenge of the Sith died in seconds instead of minutes. Qui-Gon should represent the extreme end of how long someone can survive a stab. Edit: To all of you saying "Maul lived", I think he should be one of the only if not the only exception. Any more trivializes his feat

[@MarioPerez-ng9it]

Everyone else in RotS got stabbed higher up, not in the intestines.

[@MidnightDoom777]

@@MarioPerez-ng9it I know they tried to make it obvious Sabine was stabbed lower down, but did they do the same for anyone else?

[@MarioPerez-ng9it]

@@MidnightDoom777 No, everyone else save Kylo was stabbed higher up and the Kenobi show was bull.

[@MidnightDoom777]

@@MarioPerez-ng9it "and the Kenobi show was bull" agreed.

[@kingajensz428]

He lived only a few minutes after receiving the blow. Probably, the saber pierced the stomach or liver, so he did not die right away, but he could not survive

[@theragingrodent__]

I think the worst part in the case of Rey v Kylo is that it takes away the impact of her mistake. She didn't want to kill Kylo, she wanted to save him, and by killing him out of anger she failed in that goal, briefly giving her an actual character flaw. Then the force feels bad for her I guess and gives her the ability to reverse her mistake instead of learning from it.

[@philippeamon7271]

The edit suggests it was Leia, who felt bad for her. But it's still reminiscent of Obi-Wan tripping on his shoelace and falling into a pit, before the fight with Maul. As a reminder. Then when he's in the other pit, he's like, "yeah, okay, that's why I was "clumsy".... okay Force, I'm ready to Yeet outta here, give me the prompt!" and Anakin destroys the Control Ship and insect face dies, and then, Obi-Wan gets the prompt. If the confrontation with Vader and the Emperor really happened the way Luke says it did (he didn't bring droids, because he knew he didn't want there to be evidence of what would happen), then surely, that too, must have been the Mortis Gods taking pity on him, and deciding to protect his self-important feelings, so he could keep pretending that his dad was an awesome, super friendly child murderer.

[@KamikazeCommie501]

I think you can still learn from a mistake if you reverse it.

[@theragingrodent__]

@@KamikazeCommie501 To a smaller extent I agree, but I think the best character development comes out of seeing the far spanning reprocussions of that mistake.

[@KamikazeCommie501]

@@theragingrodent__ Yeah some repercussions come faster and more severely than others though. I can tell you there's some lessons I learned in my life I definitely didn't need to that, if undone instantly after, could have saved me a lot of pain and PTSD. I didn't watch the last one and turned off TLJ halfway through so I shouldn't be defending them but I'm sure she learned the lesson of 'you need to control your anger' in one of those movies before. Killing Kylo just reinforced it and cemented it instantly so bringing him back probably wouldn't undo that, it would just stop the PTSD of having to live the rest of her life knowing she killed him. Anyway that's the theory of a guy who never even watched the movie so take it as you will lol

[@theragingrodent__]

@@KamikazeCommie501 Ok I get where you're coming from, and I gotta mention that my comment is really only about character development in the context of a work of fiction, not in the context of a real person's trauma. But yeah, it was really only in the rise of Skywalker that they tried to give Rey a character arc in overcoming her impulsivity and anger. The real problem there was that the other plot point that set up that arc was also reversed immediately, when she accidentally blew up a ship that Chewbacca was on, only later it was revealed that Chewbacca was actually on a different identical ship.

[@guts60]

If the stab wounds only cauterized themselves with the blade’s heat, it would totally be survivable if stabbed in a spot that isn’t fatal otherwise… however, lightsabers can cut through thick durasteel slabs like butter, relatively. You can bet your arse that a stab will not just cauterize the wound, but cook your insides and fry your immediately nearby organs almost instantly. Looking at where the saber stabs usually are in Star Wars, I can safely say that one of their lungs, stomach, and heart are cooked to a nice well-done. Lungs is less important, a person can survive and live a full and normal with only one lung (especially if you get it so young that your other lung grows to compensate), but you can safely bet that their major arteries, their stomach, their heart, their intestines, one of their kidneys (also survivable actually), and their liver (if hit on the correct side) are all burnt to a crisp and made fatal.

[@Sam_T2000]

if they can melt space steel like butter, they would probably be too hot to hold 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@guts60]

@@Sam_T2000 they actively cut metal like butter all the time. They use it cut holes in doors made of thick durasteel. The heat is on contact with the blade. The blade never touches the hilt of the saber, it is just emitted from it.

[@Sam_T2000]

@@guts60 - I know… but holding a big rod of blistering plasma inches away from your body like they do isn’t realistic… but they still do it. you don’t need to overthink fictional sci-fi technology so much. if it’s cool, go with it. it’s meant to be a neat space laser sword, simple as that… just assume it works like a regular sword until it’s specifically demonstrated otherwise, but don’t extrapolate either… just enjoy the coolness 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@hungrydragon9402]

@@Sam_T2000 Thank you for the common sense. So many people say a lightsaber stab should cook a person from the inside, while conveniently forgetting that the blade is like 10cm away from the hand of the user at all times, meaning their hands would be cooked immediately as well. Star Wars was never an attempt at realistic Sci-Fi, it was a Fantasy story set in space, complete with magic and prophecies.

[@NeightrixPrime]

It wouldn't cook person because flesh is a very poor conductor of heat, and a lightsaber doesn't radiate heat. However, metal does, which is why it quickly starts to glow and melt.

[@JoshuaDHSW]

The problem is that surviving a lightsaber stab has happened so many times now, compared to just Darth Maul before that. Now lightsaber stabs seem to be just as fatal as a car crash in a Fast and Furious movie (ie not at all)

[@elijahhayter3026]

In Disney’s live action stuff, yes. Yet it’s in none of the good stuff.

[@gothia1715]

Tbh, Clone Wars kinda started this whole thing by bringing Maul back. And he wasnt just stabbed. The guy got cut in half by this very lethal weapon. He was so dead in Phantom Menace. Dont get me wrong, i really like CW. But it has some flaws. Bringing Maul back for the sake of attracting attention with an iconic but dead character wasnt needed. And they ruined him by making him a maniac. Savage Opress was all they needed here. But i guess Disney would ve made this lightsaber stab survival spree anyways.

[@Rain-hd8ev]

@@gothia1715eh like multiple other commenters have said, Maul surviving was kinda.. plausible and done nicely enough where it could be said that other than the fact that he was a sith lord with sith powers plus, his upper body and organs was still intact (i.e Heart, lung, brain or whatever is in there) so it’s arguable that he could survive with the sith stuff and thus could be put on some artificial legs, the madness probably came from that too. But eeh

[@JoshuaDHSW]

@@gothia1715 You got a point about that. Man, Phantom Menace really was just the downfall of Star Wars, wasn't it? All the bad stuff people complain about Star Wars today all stemmed from Phantom Menace. lol

[@kcgbuilds7474]

darth nihilus shouldn’t exist. It’s literally his willpower that makes him.

[@maja.z.pszczola]

I read somewhere that Disney exchanged cut off limbs for dramatic stomach stabs, and I think it’s very accurate. There are an infinite number of possibilities for how to hurt someone with a lightsaber without killing them, but that wouldn’t be suspenseful enough. Honestly, when was the last time someone had their hand cut off? It’s a Star Wars staple!

[@thegrayowl1557]

One of the rebels got decapitated in Episode nine. The last time we see him, his head was thrown onto a table.

[@xaayer]

This is 100% correct. Here is something I wrote up to respond to a different person's comment (who said that the old movies didn't have much lightsaber action/deaths) in a different video about the live-action pre- and post- Disney.: - Episode 1: The Jedi mainly fought droids so if you count those droids, then a lot but if not, I don't know how you forgot about Maul (who came back via Dark Side dedication) and Qui Gon Jinn. - Episode 2: Again, they were mainly fighting droids, but yes Jango did die this way, as did a BUNCH of Geonosians as well as the two insects Zam used and the Ackley beast in the arena (they technically count as they were alive). And who could forget that Anakin literally massacred a whole village of Tusken Raiders? We see him kill three, but when he talks to Padme, it is clear that he killed way, way more. - Episode 3: Dooku, Kit Fisto, Agen Kolar, Saesee Tiin, Commander Gree, and a number of other clones, younglings (off-screen but heavily implied), and more droids. Also, Anakin pulled an Anakin and massacred the Separatist leaders, too. That's what happens when you fight a war against droids, the main casualties are droids. - Episode 4: Obi Wan. It's the start of the franchise, give it a break. Moreover, the lightsaber was supposed to be a mystical weapon that was to be used sparingly. It was only in four scenes: showing Luke his father's saber, Obi Wan saving Luke in Mos Eisley, Obi Wan beginning Luke's training, and Obi Wan fighting Vader. 4 scenes: one ends in bloodshed and the other ends in death. - Episode 5: Wampa alone. There is only one lightsaber in Star Wars at this point and it's in the hands of an inexperienced late-aged padawaan in the middle of a war. Of course, there won't be many deaths. He isn't instantly perfect with it. He isn't Rey. - Episode 6: We see 12 on screen deaths from Luke's saber on Jabba's barge with many more implied as he fights his way to the droids and his sister. Then, we see him kill a scout trooper on Endor with it. From there, Luke is with Vader and the Emperor where he wins the duel against his father but refuses to kill his father. That's a lot of deaths. Keep in mind the context of the movies, too. The prequels saw the Jedi primarily fighting droids, not organics (except for the geonosians in Ep 2), so we ignore those deaths usually because we don't see droids as sentient (even though it is demonstrated that many are). But if you do count droid deaths, Episode 1 starts off with 19 deaths to a lightsaber within the first 10 minutes. The whole PT is set at the height of Jedi power, so we see a lot of Lightsaber action and a lot of deaths at the blade of the lightsaber or as a result (i.e. reflected blaster bolts + counting Mace since otherwise Mace had Palps on the ropes) In the OT, there are no Jedi and the lightsaber is a relic and scarce. Its use isn't to be flashy as in the PT but to be important and show that the problem being faced is one only the lightsaber can handle. For most of the OT, the lightsaber is primarily used in combat in Ep 6. In Ep 4, the saber sees combat twice and both times it draws blood: one removed limb and one death - This set a precedent for the saber that Disney seems to now ignore. Ep 5 we see a removed Wampa limb and Luke's hand gets lopped off. We also assume the Wampa death. In Ep 6, we see the Lightsaber returning to full form as Luke is a new Jedi Knight finishing his training and he kills. A lot. He also cuts off his father's hand. Limb and death. In the PT we've already gone over the deaths, but what about the second hallmark: dismemberment? Maul is cut in half, Jango loses his head, Dooku loses both hands and then his head, Commander Gree and his companion lose their heads, Mace loses his arm, Anakin loses his hand... then his other arm and both legs. It's beautiful chaos as it shows the destructive capability of the weapon. And that's not even touching the 3D Clone Wars and Rebels series which saw a number of dismemberments, specifically beheadings. What do we have in the Disney Trilogy? - Ep7 has Han die by being stabbed in the gut like Qui Gon and he dies. We have Finn stab a stormtrooper in the gut and he dies. Any dismemberment? No, just superficial cuts on Kylo and Finn at the end of the movie. - Ep8 Snoke is killed by being cut in half, so at least there's that. Other than that, we have that shitty fight scene where most of the guards are stabbed in some way. One gets his neck slashed which would have been perfect for a beheading, but no. Head stays on the body and everyone else dies from being stabbed in the torso except for the last who is stabbed in the head through his faceless helmet. Rey gets a papercut but other than that, she is unscathed. - Ep9 No idea. I skipped 8 after the leaked gifs from overseas came out and showed what a travesty it was so I never watched 9 nor do I intend to. For me, 6 was the final movie. But watching a few clips of Ep9, looks like Kylo gets stabbed in the gut along with a number of royal guards. Are you sensing a trend? Disney doesn't understand the lightsaber. It either slashes someone and leaves a burning mark or that person is stabbed in some way, usually in the gut. Gut stab isn't bad, it's best used when the person being stabbed is important and needs to say something. Think about the prominent gut stabs in Star Wars history and what they have in common. Aside from the victims all being close to Obi Wan, the method of death adds impact to the moment - sort of a punctuation; and they all have something to say, a final word before they perish. Satine dies in Obi Wan's arms, Qui Gon dies giving Obi Wan final instruction, Maul dies finally at rest seeing eye to eye with Kenobi but still struggling for retribution. Disney got it right with Han (in that scene, not with his character as a whole), but past that it has become almost a meme. There's a reason there are a myriad of videos calling out Disney for not taking the lightsaber seriously anymore. So when you say "Barely anyone actually died to lightsabers pre Disney. On hand: Jango and Dooku. Three Jedi masters by Palpatine, old Ben Kenobi. That’s pretty much it for the original films." You are being quite disingenuous and are missing the point of the criticism leveled at Disney. My friend, who is a lifelong star wars fan and even enjoys Disney Star Wars, even says he wishes they would do something more adult because the shows all feel too PG and the lightsabers feel more like clubs than actual dangerous swords of superheated plasma.

[@TheReZisTLust]

​@@thegrayowl1557that's not a hand lmao

[@thegrayowl1557]

@@TheReZisTLust That's... correct, yes.

[@WhatIsThatThingDoing]

Heck, why not a glancing hit off the beskar (generally considered at least highly resistant to lightsabers) that skids off at an angle and shallowly digs into an unintended spot that isn't protected by the beskar? Or perhaps heat conducting through from continued contact burning the person behind the plates? Neither outcome is likely to outright kill, but the maiming is certainly getting someone out of the fight soon enough.

[@seansmith6255]

The reason maul works is because the shock isn't him dying It's him surviving Mual is 100% the exception that proves the rule

[@ОннокорОктябрь]

I've always thinking that Maul lived because of anger and (close to) madness. He was one of the strongest sith lords at least!

[@SineWave289]

he was too angry to die.

[@privatezeron]

Ehhh Maul got cut in half. That's even worse.

[@generaldel8074]

@privatezeron It is established that hatred and anger, if one is dark side force user, can keep them alive. Vader and Maul are great examples. In legends there was also Darth Sion who was just too angry to die, and died only after finding inner peace (He is legends, yes, but this property is still canon). Qui-gon has none of it, death makes sense, Reeva and Grand Inquisitor... maybe, they use dark side, and we know Reeva has a lot of hate, just not sure if they had enough power for it, all in all their force was pretty weak... but it is possible. Sabrine and Finn? No, like... just no. And Kylo would have probably been dead were Rey not learned from Jedi knight Jedi academy and unlocked the force heal.

[@nonya1366]

@@ОннокорОктябрь Honestly a sith being extremely emotional- Or heck we'll say force users in general if we count anakin [He wasn't trained by the sith...Yet] Seems to mean they'll probably survive if they cling onto that emotion. Vader just lost his wife, was just betrayed in his eyes, and left for dead. His emotions are burning hot angry. And even then, he was put back together by palpatine later. Maul created a genuine hateful bond of Kenobi, an obsession with kenobi. Ashamed and defeated in the moment by Kenobi. And even then he only clung onto survival and fell into madness. Most other surviving incidents involve limbs being lopped off, and generally those incidents include the person having to be saved, because their now missing a limb. Luke was arguably made of iron more then his father was, Because Luke clung onto for dear life afterwords and was still conscious, while anakin basically just went down. Here, a mandalorian who played at being a jedi got stabbed by, my assumption here, a fallen jedi(?) she basically just met is. Less impressive. Especially since we saw the lightsaber wiggle a bit in her. Honestly? The better show writing could have been wearing some mando bits on her, to both seed the fact that she hasn't abandoned her culture entirely, if only for practical reasons. Or for having some Beskar between her and a lightsaber blow for this exact reason. Heck you can have it be a small amount so it 'slowed the saber down' and 'prevented your entire kidney from pulling a qui-gon'.

[@saintdane7336]

Remembering the time Fennec got shot with a basic blaster bolt and then left for dead out in the Tatooine desert and had to go full cyborg. Meanwhile a lightsaber that went through an entire body only needs some Bacta and she’s fine

[@StarGazer2gaming]

Instead of stabbing Sabine, they should have done what Dooku did to Kenobi. In Attack of the Clones, Dooku simply delivered a glancing blow to Kenobi and poked his leg, both were enough to put him out of commission for the fight, hell Dooku barely touched Kenobi yet the slightest hit flung his arm and leg back and he was down. Something as simple as a poke from a lightsaber can be nonlethal but still show just how powerful the weapon is.

[@bengale9977]

Yeah, that would have actually been a really good way to end the fight in a way where she loses, but isn't killed. Instead the we got a lazy cliffhanger that made no sense.

[@Mythowars]

@@bengale9977it bothers me that the people who made kenobi and Ahsoka think it’s so badass

[@tommasobertelli1021]

well yes but no, they of course could reuse the same tactic tha dooku used but that, in my opinion, made less sense, shin hati is an apprentice and even if she is strong we see in the coreografy that she is imperferct and nothing more than a learner so the only way to deafet sabine with a sense was: stabbed her in a liver,an injury that maybe, with the futuristic cures of the star wars universe, it could be a non deadly wound or a force push that knokìck out sabine. sorry for my bad english i'm still learning

[@tommasobertelli1021]

i correct my self, on the show it seems that she was stabbed or in the liver or in the intestine that make sense the fact that survives for both the wound

[@kamilgrunert1586]

​@@tommasobertelli1021You're right, Shin could've just force force pushed Sabine into a wall and make her hit her head or something

[@cyber_xiii3786]

The biggest problem I have with lightsaber stabbings is that moving a lightsaber through flesh should be the same as moving a spoon through water. Any little movement would slice more and more. I’m sure the most trained fighters could make a clean stab in and out without little wobbles doing more damage, but it seems EVERY instance of lightsaber stabs works like any other sword/blade where the saber is embedded in the spot it stabbed through rather than going in and cutting sideways as it’s inside due to the person falling over or something similar. The sabers should be going through bodies like a hot knife through already warm butter, not a sword getting stuck inside its victim.

[@SharkMako]

Seems like lightsabers do give some form of resistance when it comes in contact with something for whatever reason and honestly I like it like that, it doesn't have to make sense nor conform to our logic of what would feasibly happen because it looks cool. Think Yoda's awesome clone kill when going back to the Jedi temple really the lightsaber should've gone right through the clone but looked cooler not doing that. Basically looks cool and it'd look a little silly if it cut everything like butter think of those skits where someone drops a lightsaber and it falls through the floor or something similar.

[@artcory6224]

I think that sabers have some reaction on matter, for example ,when someone breaks iron door, with lightsaber, you can see, that it doesn't go absolutely easy, person still gives some pressure on saber to cut through , of course, body is much simpler to cut , but at least a tiny reaction will be, and I think that is the reason why lightsaber users perform stronger hits at enemy, when cutting them

[@millo7295]

Rick and Morty portrayed lightsabers more accurately Horrifically dangerous

[@Stop_Gooning]

@@artcory6224 I don't think it's "pressure" I think they're waiting for the steel to melt.

[@aniclips2995]

fr, it's a 20,000 degree ray of plasma that melts through solid steel. It should be vaporizing anything it touches but instead we just get a tiny stab wound lmao.

[@Sir_Amu]

When I first watched that episode of Ashoka, I thought Sabine was dead. I was disappointed when she lived again, because it didn't feel like she could have survived the stabbing. Absolutely agree with you

[@maxenswlfr1877]

She's a mandalorian, maybe she has some beskar clothing even without her armor

[@Chokeandsuffer]

1. Wasn’t stabbed in a vital spot, which was stated in the episode. 2. She got immediate medical attention unlike many other characters. 3. Why tf would they kill of one of the main characters in the first few episodes

[@solarissv777]

@@Chokeandsuffer her gut would literally start burning from the inside with blood and other liquids boiling. Even with really advanced medicine, and immediate care, I would expect, not just a lightsaber scar, but a giant scars from the actual surgery that rebuilt her internals. And, possibly, some augmentation.

[@jabu7624]

​@@solarissv777​ Well, that's the point where i would disagree. While one would assume that a Lightsaber should instantly burn your organs, there are scenes in the movies or animated series like "Clone Wars" where someone holds a Lightsaber right next to the other person's face without this person having his face burned away immediately. In my opinion, those weapons are in fact very hot but very precise at the same time and the heat or burn radius could therefore be very limited. It would also depend on how long someone or something is directly exposed to the "blade". For example sticking the blade into a thick metal door to melt it like in the movies takes some time and stabbing someone for a few seconds could cause far less damage in terms of severe burnings. On the other hand i think, if you really would want to look at it from a realistic and scientific point you also had to consider the type of material and heat transfer. I am sure in reality you couldn't even hold such a weapon because of the extreme heat radiation but that's just my guess on it. Where i do agree is the point that wounds caused by a weapon like this should cause more damage then what was shown and at least have temporary consequences for the person who got stabbed.

[@snkybrki]

​@@jabu7624Chief, if something with the radius of a lightsaber obliterates almost any part of your torso, especially the gut, you're either dead or insanely crippled. Nonvitals aren't as big of a concern because "thin" weapons could pass through them. Lightsabers aren't bullet thin. A fucking musket ball in a non vital spot will floor you. Not only is the blade a little girthy, but it's incredibly hot, as evidenced by the melting effects it leaves on literal space steel. The scene was dumb. End point.

[@amateur-madman3047]

Lightsabers twenty years ago: Dodge like you want to live Lightsabers today: Just grab it at this point

[@NoobPCGamer1267]

They might as well let some unarmed 9 years old fight a sith master at this point

[@amateur-madman3047]

@@NoobPCGamer1267 I’m now inclined to believe everyone survives lightsaber strikes until proven otherwise. They’ve literally flipped the lore.

[@manjugoswami2233]

Lightsabers then: If you want to live against a guy wielding this thing, you better lock the fuck in. Lightsabers now: Lmao its just a glowing baseball bat you'll be fine

[@nocturnaliance6684]

Ok so scientifically, lightsabers are incredibly hot they will automatically cauterize the wound, if u miss all vital organs it shouldn't do much. It can't bleed so thats not an option.

[@nathansuss]

🤣🤣🤣

[@creativename3707]

It's funny how Maul's case has a whole lot of explanation of how and why he survived, but the other cases are just "Yeah, no, they're not dead, just cause"

[@amiablereaper]

It's even funnier because he got cut in half

[@derangedsockpuppet678]

chad my friend pedro enjoyer

[@vangogich]

​@@amiablereaper Remember Darth Sion from KOTOR 2? I know it is not canonical now, but I like the idea of man living only due to his angriness and with the help of the dark side. And that's why I don't blame the scenarists for reviving Maul.

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

@@vangogichcould the same apply to Snoke? I kind of like the theory that he is Mace Windu twisted by the dark side and maybe he used his hatred of Palpatine and Rey to stay alive.

[@Pottasium92]

"Somehow they survived"

[@KaldwinUnderscore]

I think the most egregious part about Sabine's stabbing is that the lightsaber pivots while it's inside her, which means that the end of the blade coming out of her back would have sliced a few inches up through her liver and right lung. She should in no way have survived that.

[@VirendraPanwar95]

Yesh with 21st century, you cant survive😅

[@getfreur2458]

I think the biggest problem is that the heat of the lightsaber would have not only pierced her organs, but boiled everything around it. THOSE ORGANS ARE GONE!

[@OrosTheAvengerX]

Plus, once Shin landed the stab all she has to do is slice up and split Sabine in half. You don’t have to pull a blade of pure energy straight back out.

[@cremesent]

just slap a bacta patch on it dude! all better!

[@3takoyakis]

Light saber wounds are not fencing wounds Disney. It's so easy to cut everything like a butter. Once you stab something, how could the user resist the temptation to ignore swinging it more and just pulled it out.

[@johnnyanderson2-roblox185]

They've never been the same since the Prequals. In my opinion, the Prequals had it perfect in nearly every way. The deadliness, the way they looked, the sounds, their effect, their usage, their interaction in duels, their deflection of blaster bolts, their speed and of course their use. Shit was chopped up, droids, hands (multiple hands), heads and bodies were sliced and diced. Impalement was death and a slice was near guaranteed fatality. Simply, the Prequals had em right and almost no piece of content has gotten them right since (except Starkiller and 2005 BF: II to a degree).

[@Roomba10]

The ogs did them pretty good, I just wish they pulled them out more.

[@Joroney.2na]

Ayyy bro I'm with you on that one ..the prequals did lightsabers justice

[@tomraineofmagigor3499]

yeah Obi-Wan was given glancing blows taking him out of the battle and with how effective lightsabers are that actually adds to Douku's character. He clearly didn't want to kill Obi-Wan in that moment. If you can survive from impalement then that scene no longer does anything

[@jjropo3.]

I remember just slicing storm trooper heads off when playing as starkiller

[@Bobzilla67]

@Johnnyanderson2 that's because of Uncle George. Disney doesn't Respect the Saber, or what it stands for.

[@tickledpickle5671]

Oh, right! In Star Wars The Old republic MMO? There is a guy in the Agent storyline who said. "Oh yeah, I got stabbed in the chest from behind. It's a bit hard to breathe sometimes, but I got put on desk duty."

[@tickledpickle5671]

Dramatic Irony is a tool. but This is Dramatic stupidity.

[@pogggaming4470]

At least that wound has some life altering consequences on him

[@K4iRenXD]

@@pogggaming4470 yeah, his lungs are f8cked.

[@TheMockingjay74]

Don't Outlander get stabbed and survive in it too

[@tickledpickle5671]

@@TheMockingjay74 Yes, if you don't allow Valkorion to intervene, the outlander gets stabbed. And even a couple of characters comment on how they've never seen someone survive a stab like that.

[@jacobkomnath7961]

I keep saying this, Attack of the Clones, how does dooku defeat obiwan? He cuts him. That's how sabines fight should've ended

[@Brainth_1780]

If Sabine wasn't in immediate danger of dying then Ahsoka would've immediately gone after Shin. She needed to inflict a near-fatal wound.

[@MiguelSanchezDelVillar]

​@@Brainth_1780 the fight was on a tower right? If not then move the fight to one, Sabine ends with cuts on an arm and the legs and is about to fall, Ahsoka has to stop the fight to help her, done, no stabs needed

[@rafaeld-g170]

@@Brainth_1780 Or make it so that she loses a limb. I think the chopped-off hand bit has been overused, so this time they could cut off her leg so it looks severe and Ashoka is forced to help. Then Sabine’s leg wound gets treated (which hopefully takes more than a day, unlike in the show), and she gets a cybernetic replacement. A Mandalorian with a robotic arm or leg would be really cool actually. And it doesn’t break lightsaber lore (not too much, at least).

[@fraisertinko]

Obi-Wan cut Maul in half and Maul fell into the insanely deep shaft) He survived it without any problem) Without half of his body) Hypocrisy)

[@squashiejoshie200000]

@@fraisertinko "He survived it without any problem" look, I don't know a huge amount about the lore, but even I know that Maul was screwed up for YEARS, survived literally through the power of the dark side of the force alone, and when he came back, he was more robot than Darth Vader. But while I don't know a huge amount about the lore, I know a fair bit of physics and anatomy. He was cut in half low on the waist which would have removed a fair amount of his intestines, his legs and his butt. You can live without any of that, if very uncomfortably. A superheated plasma line went through him very quickly, which also did exactly what it would need to do to stop him from dying: cauterized the wound instantly. Maul wasn't even bleeding from that. On the other hand consider a lingering stab higher up the body. The instant that thing goes in it starts cooking. We're talking your blood literally boiling in your veins and severe internal burns that spread from the affected area. After a second, you're just screwed unless it was a limb because that heat would radiate through your body very quickly.

[@CaptDarkStar215]

Are we not going to talk about how Fin took a lightsaber right up the spine and survives!

[@JKBisms]

All I have to say is that maybe bacta is a way better healing agent than we thought

[@daralcampbell2171]

@@JKBismsbut if you the spine too close to the neck it’s an insta death

[@luisvelez1952]

Kylo only slashed Fin in the back like Dooku slashes Kenobi’s leg and arm in attack of the clones.

[@CaptDarkStar215]

@@luisvelez1952 watch the part again.. the saber tip that cuts his back was about a foot maybe 6 inches at least… his spine would have bin hit regardless due to how deep it was…

[@luisvelez1952]

@@CaptDarkStar215 Fin was sent to the hospital moments later this is a world that even General Grievous was rescued and saved from a ship explosion in his home planet.

[@xavierbennettgregbetter6776]

Starwars needs the regular sabers back

[@O1OO1O1]

Sabers need the regular Star Wars back

[@xavierbennettgregbetter6776]

@@O1OO1O1 yeah

[@ceciliakerr5422]

@@xavierbennettgregbetter6776 #raiseriggy

[@GeneralPenguinIsCool]

#raiseriggy nice pfp

[@Thereal_P4TRIIK]

No we need George lucas back

[@iconickerem]

In defence of Jedi Survivor, they included a NG+ option for "realistic" damages. You one shot everyone but you die immediately If you get hit. It is not about weakening the saber. It is in all of Call of Duty, they sometimes add "Realistic" difficulty as well

[@randomguythatexists2244]

Sabines defeat at the hands of Shin could be handled better, even though they showed where she was stabbed. For example Cal Kestis disarmed and defeated the 2nd Sister by poking her right shoulder with a lightsaber. Count Dooku also disarmed Obi-wan on Geonosis by tapping his left arm and left leg, which kept Obi-wan out of the fight for the rest of the duel. Edit: Just realized that Cal Kestis got stabbed by Darth Vader in Fortress Inquisitorius the same way how Sabine got stabbed but it doesn't go through his body. Dagan Gera grazing Cal Kestis in the chest disarmed him and left him writhing on the floor but Cal managed to recover after about 2 minutes.

[@mreggs3731]

Cal was stabbed and he survived.

[@shadowdragon9761]

@@mreggs3731cal didn’t get run threw like everyone else

[@thegrayowl1557]

@@shadowdragon9761 Yeah, he did. There was a good half foot of clearance there

[@shadowdragon9761]

@@thegrayowl1557 I just played it lmao no it didn’t

[@thegrayowl1557]

@@shadowdragon9761 I just watched it again, and yes, that blade went in pretty fuckin deep, my guy

[@oinkleberry]

What's always been weird to me about a LOT of lightsaber stab wounds is the person doing the stabbing doesn't wrench the thing in any other direction other than directly OUT. Like, I understand seeing that full frontal would make Star Wars rated-R but like, logically speaking that's what they'd do to make sure their opponent is finished off, especially now that lightsaber stab wounds apparently aren't guaranteed to be fatal.

[@kanucks9]

Yes! Especially considering how easy it would be. In fact, it would be really difficult to pull it straight out.

[@CoolTrainerJulio]

Yes! I've always thought about this. Even if the stabber just held the blade in place, the stab-ee would fall through the sword as they passed out or died.

[@GenericProtagonist7]

​@@CoolTrainerJulioThis idea has been in my head ever since I first watched the scene where Qui-Gon dies, even as a kid my first thought was; "What if Maul didn't pull the lightsaber back before Qui Gon fell?"

[@iReiGNxx]

I think the only one who might have done this is Kylo ren when he killed Han.

[@MaxiLuke2212]

@@nomercyinc6783 Not the point

[@nwalsh0315]

Honestly at this point I won’t be surprised if saw gerrera shows up again and just completely survived the Death Star on jedha

[@Golems_victory]

Lol no you guys are dumb and especially michal Jae....it’s a shame he’s falling for the right wing hate bs. The shows good. And it makes sense Sabine would live. The whole sawgerara bs you spouted was just coping hard, michal jaye is an idiot for liking your comment

[@notdreamcat215]

At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Count Dooku survives.

[@thedrunkweddingphotographer]

for real

[@PizzaHutCEO]

Facts, it is a kyber crystal based weapon

[@signormythomagic_yt7128]

@@PizzaHutCEO And Palpatine somehow came back as well

[@twistedvtuber9894]

Obviously every lightsaber stab missed their vital organs Piccolo: ALL OF THEM?!

[@Toby-Wan_Kenobi]

I feel like the chopped off hand was, and really still is, the best way to have a character lose while still living. Avoids all organs and doesn't melt the perons insides, whist still completely inhibiting their ability to fight, meaning they lose instantly. It's how both Anakin and Luke lost to Dooku and Vader respectivly in their first fights, and really is pretty much the same argument for Maul. Although the slash was closer to his vital organs, it was his legs that were removed, an appendage that is possible to live without.

[@dudemcduder1628]

Then you can get scenes with Ninth Sister in Fallen Order where she just keeps going and is still up to fight.

[@Friendlyfirefish]

It would cause all the water in your to evaporate instantaneously. So no, it is no way to survive at all. You babies just like picking and choosing which time to be happy with it and whoch time not.

[@PapaBear77]

Nah dude, Maul should have absolutely died in Phantom Menace. Even if by some miracle it wasn't the fact his lower gut and spinal column got cut in half, it would have been the several mile fall. The only thing that kept Maul alive was fan fiction.

[@samreddig8819]

​@@dudemcduder1628but because it's so unusual for that to happen it works as a great "oh shit" moment.

[@natedog0810]

@@PapaBear77 My man spitting facts.

[@danieljames500]

jedi survivor has a perk where you get realistic damage, so you die super easily but you also one shot pretty much everyone, even bosses when you land a hit. that makes the world feel so much more immersive

[@dudemcduder1628]

But it also is kinda… boring cuz it also applies to blasters too, it makes the game way too easy

[@Friendlyfirefish]

​@@dudemcduder1628 hence the game design nerving the lightsaber. Also, blasters shoot the same stuff as a lightsaber blade. So those are just as deadly as a lightsaber should be. Leia should be dead in return

[@gameragodzilla]

@@dudemcduder1628Jedi Outcast with saberrealisticcombat manages to make lightsabers realistically damaging with full dismemberment (which also applies to enemies with lightsabers against you) while keeping blasters and enemy health as normal.

[@Flamme-Sanabi]

That is true, I'd say however that the game was not designed around that.@@dudemcduder1628

[@RusticRonnie]

@@dudemcduder1628they also just stole it from devil may cry heaven or hell mode.

[@Gary-1994]

You're absolutely right! IMO 2 things needs to happen with lightsabers: stop this nonsense that everyone could survive a lightsaber stab.. and create a live action version where a force user constructs their own saber. It is a crime that only happened in the Clone Wars series and games but never on live action.

[@MrWord283]

Dude, you are right haha never thought about it, one of the most important parts of a jedi and they have never bothered to show it even with rey lol

[@djhagrid300]

Very good point. In fact, in all of the Star Wars movies (I - VI) no one ever takes a direct lightsaber stab and lives. Same with both Clone Wars series. Maul survived being cut in half, and I think that's mostly because (fan service) the cut was quick enough to not cook his insides, but still cauterized his wound. No living thing has ever survived being stabbed in the torso with a lightsaber.

[@MichaelS-jk8tj]

It would have been such an easy rewrite to have Shin realize Ahsoka was near and she wasn't a match for her so she cuts off Sabines hand then gives Sabine a deep but survivable gouge to her torso that requires Ahsoka to stay and render aid while she escapes

[@daefaron]

Okay but how the hell is a gouge into the chest better then a stab in a not immediately fatal area? Your suggestion is "cause even more damage"

[@MichaelS-jk8tj]

@@daefaron my suggestion is very specifically to have the character knowingly, intentionally, and mockingly inflict just enough damage to leave her in need of immediate medical attention. A 1 inch gouge across the torso from plasma being dragged across it is a lot less damaging than being impaled by a blade of plasma that should have probably cut you in half.

[@daefaron]

@@MichaelS-jk8tj impaled through the lower right torso which was immediately treated with first aid and taken to a hospital. Quigon took over 2 minutes to die laying on the ground with zero help and stabbed through the spine.

[@arlec4012]

Sabine was impaled through her ribs, her bones would have melted. But sure, being impaled makes more sense...@@daefaron

[@daefaron]

@@arlec4012 All these people who want Sabine dead for reasons that literally don't fit with... the entire realm of star wars. If her bones melted then her organs would be burst into flames, meaning that Quigon would've been dead in seconds not lasting minutes. And Obiwan would've lost his entire arm and leg from AOTC when they got stabbed with a lightsaber.

[@Firehawk_9399]

Agreed. This is how I feel with Beskar as well. Anybody else remember when it was lightsabe and blaster RESISTANT not proof? If they were super impenetrable, then how did the Republic and the Jedi ever even come close to winning the mandalorian wars? As in plural.

[@feryela]

Beskar was already scarce and most armours were fake unless they were passed down. Also the Jedi are formidable warriors and mandalorian armour does not cover the whole body. Also long in the past beskar mandalorians were so op they use to constantly fight Jedi

[@Firehawk_9399]

@@feryela they did. And lost. Every time. That's a little inconsistent for their armor. Idk if you've seen what their old armor used to look like, but it was thick and covered the user almost completely. Before they got jetpack and chose mobility.

[@feryela]

@@Firehawk_9399 the would lose but being non force users and still killing Jedi is pretty op mostly because of the armour. Newer mandos like Din Jarin has plenty of open space to get shot or cut. He just got lucky I guess… but you can say the same for the OG trilogy where nobody had armour and the stormtroopers always missed.

[@Firehawk_9399]

@@feryela I guess but unlike Disney that's doing it because of plot convience, Lucas had reasons behind the stormtroopers in episode 4

[@feryela]

@@Firehawk_9399 im sure Lucas did it for the same reason. He’s just had so much more time to cover it up. But he did cover it up with lore and good story telling. The problem with Disney is that for them to cover it up they have to crap on Lucas’ already stablished lore.

[@Elysium4]

In Ahsoka, I feel the narrative impact of Sabine's lightsaber wound would have carried more impact if it wasn't through the gut but instead a strike that took off her legs at the mid-thigh. That way it could run parallel to Anakin's injuries that furthered his transformation into Vader and given Ahsoka an actual reason to meet Anakin in the World between Worlds. Imagine, the guilt of her own Padawan losing her legs would push her to the breaking point, in which Anakin steps in to give her that final lesson she needs to learn. It's narrative impact is palpable, it has deep seeded repercussions on the characters involved, and it makes for good character development that can further enhance the story. Considering how much further artificial prosthetics are in Star Wars than real life it wouldn't have drastically altered the flow of narrative too much either, but would still have had greater impact.

[@sawdust8691]

That definitely would have been far better. But I don't think Disney is about good storytelling these days. And also that would be too dark for Disney's liking. But that would definitely fix the issues you mention. As is, it's completely meaningless. They literally just stabbed a main character for nothing more than clickbait on the next episode. Who writes that? And that also could have given Ahsoka and Sabine some actual character and struggles. And a reason for Anakin to show up to help resolve the problem, rather than just making a dumb one up out of thin air for the sake of Clone Wars member berries with nothing meaningful to say. That's just one of the many ways these shows could be greatly improved.

[@FirstnameLastname-yk2js]

I think Disney refuses to dismember because they are pandering to the Chinese audience. I thunk there are censorship laws or guidelines for releasing movies in China such as no skeletons or dismemberment or other stuff.

[@GohanZ-jq9jy]

what you just said made me think about what George said in the documentary/making of of The Phantom Menace: "It's Like Poetry, it rhymes"

[@Alimator_210]

I was gonna say the same thing but with her arm instead (so we aren’t retreading maul) but this works too!

[@TrueUnderDawgGaming]

Or at least have her crippled from the stab. Show how it permanently injured her

[@HuebertEllowit-LOL]

I could MAYBE see surviving a lightsaber stab wound if it was like, the blade was sent out and immediately retracted. Because if it missed organs, maybe it could cauterize as it went and disappear immediately. But when they hold the blade inside of them? Like every second its in there, its baking them. Honestly we should see their flesh igniting and burning to ash around the blade like the metal door melting around Qui-gon's light saber. There is no universe where the body could survive that. Your organs start shutting down if your core temperature gets above 104 degrees. I think the residual heat of the lightsaber sitting inside of someone would cause total organ failure, even if they managed to miss the organs with the strike itself, given the blade is left in there for 5 seconds while they look into each others eyes

[@darthmarr4155]

I feel like a lightsaber stab is only survivable if it happens in a non-lethal area and the person is treated IMMEDIATELY not like Reva who hobbled all the way to Tatooine with a hole in their stomach. The farthest someone can get is like Qui-Gon who survived a few minutes with a chest stab.

[@crestofhonor2349]

Kinda. Getting a limb cut off won't kill them immediately in the case of Luke. He needed medical attention but he wasn't going to die super quick because the wound was automatically cauterized meaning he wouldn't have lost any blood

[@savant8826]

Absolutely not. Lightsabers should not even function, they are a contradiction. Being even near the thing should physically hurt you, and being touched by the blade would literally make you explode. Lucas and disney need to stop using weapons that should be able to kill you when you are even near the thing and acting like even the smallest scratch is survivable. Disney is just taking at a bit farther, lightsabers were always bullshit.

[@coltermiller1782]

what would a "non-lethal area" be that isnt a limb?

[@darthmarr4155]

@@coltermiller1782 well we've seen people get stabbed in the stomach and recover but that's after a while in a bacta tank or something not like Sabine who got up in seemingly less than 24 hours or Reva who never got any medical attention and yes also a limb

[@coreythepeanut]

@@darthmarr4155Sabine got stabbed in, like, the kidney though. Watch it closer. She gets stabbed in the side, not the middle, which means a very different organ was damaged.

[@jonathanschubert9052]

I do appreciate that you show that Sabine is the symptom not the disease

[@Ryan-lr9gw]

You nailed it. Qui-Gon dying really makes him look weak and feeble. Some teenager who can’t even use the force at the time lived. Why couldn’t you, Mr Jedi Master?

[@temitayoadekoya8651]

Medicine...if you stop for 3 seconds and think about the difference in circumstances it becomes glaringly obvious why she survived.

[@majimasimp]

@@temitayoadekoya8651 yes because medicine can heal you almost immediately and have you getting up no problem. Even people who get shot irl have a hard time getting back up after medical care and Sabine here got stabbed with what is just a couple suns on a hilt. It's just plot convenience that does nothing but undermine the true strength of a lightsaber

[@temitayoadekoya8651]

@@majimasimp Dog it’s Star Wars…Anakin got all his limbs cut off and was still conscious why are we pretending like their medical technology is super limited

[@majimasimp]

@@temitayoadekoya8651 aint the sith get their will to live through their anger? What did Sabine have? I'm not saying her surviving isn't possible, it's just what's the point of showing us her getting stabbed if she's going to be all fine and dandy the next day, walking around? It just makes the lightsaber look weak and something everyone can survive rather than adding anything meaningful to the plot

[@HeartcoreMitRA]

-What is it? -This is your father's light baton..

[@vahidoph]

the problem started when light sabers became just glowing swords. even the fighting style is that of a regular sword. where as since lightsabers are light and don't need any force behind them to cause massive damage, the fighting style should be fast and agile not trying to hack the opponent like an axe. in the old movies the movement were fast, there were a lot of wrist movement, since if all you need a to just touch your opponent, flicking your wrist would make a lot of sense.

[@harrya9458]

Yeah, I really liked the choreography from the prequel trilogy. They made use of lightsabers as light instead of as metal. Yoda bouncing from enemy to enemy and Obi-Wan dancing with his is just clean. The original trilogy I feel does something else with the lightsaber. Of the three or so lightsaber fights, they’re all either involving older men or inexperienced newbies, so you see how their movements are slow and stable. There’s no bouncy movement, but there’s no heavy and forceful strikes. It feels like they’re treating the sabers as if they’re fragile. They don’t have the energy of youth or the experience of age depending on the person, and it makes sense that they would play safe with their handling

[@vahidoph]

@@harrya9458 as far as lightsaber fights go I prefer the second trilogy, episode 1,2 and 3. the fights are fast pace with quick movement. the fights with count dooku showed that you wouldn't need strength to be deadly. an old man can take 2 younger opponent. yoda could take an opponent 3 times bigger than him. also the graphics of light sabers were better. the after image of the lightsabers, gave the feeling that the movement were faster than what they really were. in modern movies we don't have that effect cause of better cameras.

[@zuriyel5368]

For choreography, I'd actually go outside of Star Wars itself and look to the fight choreography in the live action Rurouni Kenshin movies. Those are what lightsaber fights should be.

[@Walkdplankfrank]

Ray was just full of stupid surprises and Kylo should've been way stronger

[@chrisp7326]

Good example is how Anakin chopped off Dooku's hand in episode 3. With a normal sword, you wouldn't be able to slice off someone's hand without putting incredible strength and speed behind your swing yet Anakin's blade basically goes through Dooku's hand effortlessly like wet tissue without much strength behind it

[@RyanTheDark]

The problem is that people compares Vader stabbing Galen to Sabine being stabbed. The difference is Galen took months to recover in the novelization. Sabine should have taken weeks if not months to even be talking again. The novelization explains this so really it's different: “This is the Empirical, master, Lord Vader’s top-secret mobile laboratory. We’ve been here for six standard months.” PROXY looked up from the terminal. “Lord Vader has updated all of my protocols. Before I kill you, I am to do everything possible to help you vanish. Should I ready the Rogue Shadow for launch?” The apprentice tried to think. He flexed his hands, marveling at his amazing return to health. It seemed almost too good to be true. A disconcerting thought occurred to him. He hastily tugged off first his right glove, then the left. He was reassured to see only skin beneath-no synthetic materials or artificial joints. His knuckles moved the same as always; his fingernails were neat and even. The only odd detail was that his scars were gone. He rubbed his right hand down his chest to his stomach, remembering the terrible wound his Master had inflicted. He thought of the damage raw vacuum did to human lungs. Bacta tanks performed miracles, but they weren’t that good. “Master?” He looked up at PROXY and blinked. “What? Oh. I didn’t realize the ship was here, too.” “Yes, master. How else would we get away?” The droid stepped back from the terminal. Indicating it with a hand, he said, “I’ve accessed the main ship’s computer and begun carrying out Lord Vader’s orders.” The apprentice nodded, distracted by a thought that had just struck him. He had been on the Empirical for six months, PROXY had said, but the Rogue Shadow was here, ready for him. That might not be the only thing to survive the near catastrophe of the Emperor’s intervention.

[@John-fk2ky]

When playing the game, I was pretty much convinced Galen was DEAD and had to be bizarrely revived. It's also clear that whatever brought him back or put him back together was NOT pleasant.

[@emperorleachicus2199]

Also, Vader wasn’t trying to kill him, he still wanted Starkiller to gather the rebel leaders so he and the Emperor could kill them.

[@jamestomato1744]

Additionally for Galen's sake, Vader had empire resources to help him with the healing process - as @emperor before me mentioned - Vader only wanted to make it look like he killed him, just to deceive Palpatine (as apart of a double rug pull).

[@Techmej]

Yeah. He had his stomach fucking rebuilt. Sabine just got a fancy band-aid

[@thebaronlouis8619]

Even Stormtrooper bolts to the gut are instantly lethal in the original and prequel trilogy against most armor. That's what they should use as the basis for lethality: if you don't have armor and get hit somewhere important, you're gone. And even Beskar is not a substitute for cover and evasiveness. Boba and Jango didn't get shot much even though they could tank some pretty good hits, so they need to avoid this invincible one man army thing Din Djarin and Paz Vizsla keep doing. The Armorer did her best to avoid getting shot in the first place by attacking from behind and being evasive as best she could. Don't even get me started on helmets. Any time I see a Mandalorian fight without a helmet I yell at the screen "always wear your helmet... just shoot him in the face..." Just do the "inside the suit" thing they did for Iron Man if you want to show their expression or sate the actor's ego.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

They explained that how Pure Beskar armor is harder to find nowadays and Mando managed to get enough Beskar for a Full Armor rather than mixed with other metals because there wasn't enough. Never got the sense he was Invincible and had nothing to worry about for Mando though since they kept a lot of fight close quarter where he'll be tossed around.

[@lordbiscuitthetossable5352]

Worth mentioning; while helmets do protect against shrapnel, there was a lot of time in medevil history where you wouldn’t want the helmet on/visor down. Namely in situations where awareness is really important. Wearing a helmet deprives someone of so much information, both sound and visually, that it can put someone in a really bad situation. It’s often why Din is getting shot so often; he just isn’t able to respond to the world around him due to it all being muffled. There’s a reason we generally don’t cover the face that often in modern war gear. Maintaining awareness is far more important than minimal protection, except in the circumstances where protection is really important. A SWAT team only has to worry about clearing a building; so they are probably much more heavily armoured they are dispatched to deal with a single problem, they don’t have to worry about hiking 3-5 miles on patrol. So to me it’s more weird that Mandos put their helmets on so often; and actually Din getting shot to shit makes a lot of sense, because everyone else has a better sense of awareness. Ironically, in replying I’ve learnt something new. All a helmet has to do is deal with heat effectively, blaster bolts just don’t seem as forceful. Just; most armour doesn’t seem capable of stopping a bolt anyway.

[@jtnachos16]

Just going to point out: Neither Fett had proper Beskar armor. They had either plasteel or durasteel armor (IDR which off the top of my head. One of the boba fett books where he is a kid and helping Jango maintain his armor after a mission has Jango mentioning not relying on his armor to save him and also specifically explaining that he doesn't scrub his armor clean or polish it because he WANTS the armor to not be shiny and draw attention). Which is nowhere near as capable of dealing with blaster bolts as what actual Beskar is. Din Djarin, going off of even pre-disney lore, could quite literally throw hands with a lightsaber armed opponent, and so long as he caught every attack on a plate, he'd have nothing to fear from the lightsaber itself. He'd still likely get bruised up or possibly even broken limbs from the impacts, but it wouldn't cut through. This is why, if you look at, for example, KOTOR mandalorian armor, it is much more covering overall and also tends to have some protection for soft spots like the throat and underarms. Kotor also has an overabundance of personal energy shielding, precisely because lightsabers and other such implements were a lot more common to encounter, as well as open conflict being generally more frequent in that time frame. Din Djarin surviving stuff is just fine. His suit is full beskar. The armorer's was not. Din is also in a different TYPE of suit from what the Fetts, the Armorer, or the vast majority of mandalorians wear. His suit has better coverage, thicker plates, and is generally just more of a heavy assault suit. It's like comparing someone in full interceptor body armor against somebody with just a soft-body vest. Mandalorian tends to make up for Din's durability by way of having OTHERS around him that he cares for be more at risk. I also agree with the 'no helmets off during combat' thing. They don't even have to show internal shots, just set up some choreography to show off BODY LANGUAGE. You don't need to see their face when their bodies tell the tale, let alone when you also have vocalizations, even things like non-word grunts, able to show off the same things. Taking helmets off is especially stupid in star wars context because mandalorian helmets, unlike the cheap stormtrooper ones, DO NOT restrict field of view.

[@silverhawkscape2677]

@@jtnachos16 Dude. It's why I loved Din Jarin with his Helmet on and you can STILL get his expressions.

[@pyr0cyb3r]

I agree with this. However I propose a different point of view, for Vader specifically. We KNOW Vader ain't sloppy. If he wants you dead then you are dead. So what if Vader, after humiliating her in that duel, intentionally delivered a non-fatal stab? To make her life a traumatized hell that he killed her not once but TWICE. That she now also has to live with the fact that her life is so worthless to him that she isn't worth killing with HIS lightsaber but it isn't even worth killing her with HER OWN lightsaber. He took her life from her TWICE and she will NEVER EVER be able to get justice or revenge on him because she is too weak and worthless. Like that is a pretty dark and evil thing to do to someone. Killing is easy, making someone live with it... that's darker.

[@tonykaze]

The fact that I saw sabine get impaled with this and knew within a nanosecond that she'd be fine is proof that you're right. I didn't know she was even a main character, I've never heard of her, but I just knew that a stomach shot meant nothing, and couldn't figure out why the Sith lady wouldn't have like, decapitated her. Personally I'd like to know how she regrew the 3-5 vital organs that got obliterated (the Obi-Wan Criticizes series did an awesome job as usual making fun of this) - but "I'm a tough Mandalorian" seems to be enough. LIke at this point if I was a Jedi/Sith and I wanted someone dead, I wouldn't leave the scene until I'd watch every atom of their body vaporized with a thermal detonator, and even then I'd throw a second one at the vapor just to be sure.

[@Badger_VI]

Bro the stomach hit would be fatal or at least disable her for a week / cause permanent scarring

[@lammyjammy]

For real. If getting impaled with a lightsaber truly isn't a death sentence, why aren't the people in question not making sure their opponents are dead? They just do 1 poke and walk away. Don't they want to be sure? I feel like blasters have occasionally gotten the same treatment, where usually someone gets hit and drops dead, but sometimes they survive if the plot needs them to.

[@johnnyringo2670]

@@Badger_VIThe way they showed it, that shit went straight thru her diaphragm and realistically her chest cavity would poll up with blood and lungs collapse dead within minutes.

[@Badger_VI]

@@johnnyringo2670 Yea, or even if it hit the stomach that thing can melt the steel reinforced doors of a spafe ship no way it wont melt the body around the contact area causing mass organ failure

[@Cowboycomando54]

@@johnnyringo2670 Not to mention the wound becoming septic from rupturing the intestines.

[@gabrielcastejon7914]

Beskar Armor was also extremely annoying in Mandalorian. It removed any form of suspense in S2 Mandalorian, since it made Din pretty much invulnerable to damage.

[@SaiTaX_the_Chile_boi]

the problem is that it also kills all impact, the bolt shold still hit like a truck, like bullet plates, you are surviving that, but it will hurt. it used to be like this, resistant, not immune, so, maybe it would get ruined after taking a hit and that zone wont protect you twice, and against a sword, it should only be of help to protect agaist glancing hits, but be done after.

[@mr.clymate7489]

@@SaiTaX_the_Chile_boi It would've work if it was just for fodder laser beams, and when it comes to more experienced fighters you see how they get around it.

[@exilestudios9546]

That was also a problem in the old books that the concept was introduced which is why I actually was super happy when the clone wars showed mandos in armor that could be killed like anyone else, no more magic Mary sue armor and then Dave got a case of the memberberries and boom they are back to being invincible taking away any and all stakes

[@LanceWasTak3n]

I think I’m clone wars the beskar armour could somewhat reflect blaster shots but when it came to lightsabers they did no help blocking the blade, Mandolorian just made Beskar the most powerful armour in the galaxy, seeing how common it was in Clone wars should’ve made Mandolorians unstoppable

[@Appletank8]

"Armor" has always been a little baffling to me in Star Wars. Scenes where it was shown to have saved someone can be probably counted on one hand. Most of the time people survive because the blaster shot went nowhere in the same post code. The rebels arguably had the right idea by not wearing much armor to save costs, it's not like it would've saved them anyways when Stormtroopers come boarding your ship. Funnily enough people are instead much better at shooting Jedi because they actually have to spend a lot of time blocking. Then we got Beskar which can apparently just tank most things? Where's the middle ground?

[@CamTheWarlock]

If they want to bring a character back or keep them alive, you need a damn good reason to. Darth Maul was sliced in half and brought back, but very few people cared because it made sense for his character, as the Sith made it clear that anger could give them a LOT of power throughout the series. For a Jedi or light side character to survive, they need just as good/lore-accurate of a reason to survive, otherwise it’s just boring.

[@merlith4650]

Not to mention the amount of hoops and restrictions lore-wise Maul had to jump through to pull that off: - only got sliced at the hips, missing his centre mass - using training and knowledge specifically handed down from the Sith lineage (Maul stating to Darth Sidious he used his training to stay alive) - going through a process that rendered him insane, leaving him living like a wild animal for years. - only managed to have his mind and conscience restored back to normal through a complex ritual done by Mother Talzin herself

[@dassinzx8975]

i feel like what they could do with a jedi/light side character to survive a lethal blow is to have the power of insane calmness/meditation to keep themselves alive, but as a set back, they lose their emotions/empathy and pain, and will have phycological issues until extensive therapy (which won't cure them %100). that way, there are stakes to never try it again, as them attempting it again will result in uncurbable emotional unresponsiveness/psychological issues.

[@dr.bright6272]

Maul survived off a combination of his anger, the Force and the blade cauterizing his wound almost instantly

[@manjugoswami2233]

Another way to do it is not have the wounds be death-guaranteed fatal. When Obi-Wan first fought Dooku, Dooku only so much as nicked him in the arm and thigh, and Obi-Wan STILL got decommissioned for the rest of the fight until Anakin showed up. That is a great example of how a lightsaber can be extremely dangerous if you aren't careful with it.

[@bobby31723]

Maul suviving is bullshit. If he can survive being cut in fucking half and dropping from a massive height when he should be two splatered chunks of meat on the floor, then any dark side users are pretty much unkillable. Behead them ? nah , the dark side kept the brain alive and he come back. Palpatine surviving two massive explosions that should have reduced him to ash is fine because "muh dark side made me too angry to die, even in ash form". Shit, Anakin himself must live in a walking coffin and he got throught less shit than maul , on top of being massivelly more powerfull.

[@KiyoGam1]

Gonna be honest. Most people who did ever die to lightsabers were either beheaded or sliced through or used on more vital organs like lungs or heart. Spinal cord for QGJ The issue isnt that people arent dying to same things they would in the past. The issue is newer characters just arent skilled enough to hit the opponents on their vitals .

[@Smol_Eri]

I wasn't a sci fi fan until I saw starwars a year prior to disney getting it. What really made me love it was the lightsaber. the idea that the stick on their belt was so lethal, so dangerous that a single slash from one of these insanely agile and fast warriors, could bring your arm clean off, or just straight kill you if you got stabbed. I have legitimately been losing all of my love for sci fi simply because those little tubes that once represented the utmost in lethality, elegance, and monk-warrior philosophy have gone straight out the window in favor of "i can stab you and you no die hahahahahaha"

[@DeathToMayo]

It's not really sci fi, it's more space fantasy, but your feelings on the matter are valid.

[@borpus9716]

@@auxoltyI’d say sci fi features some sort technological/scientific creation/breakthrough/idea that is explored and provides the main moral dilemma for the characters and story. Star Wars is more about space wizards with sick swords powered by force crystals. It might have futuristic technology as well but that’s not what drives the story. Some of the shows arcs have incorporated more sci fi elements, but the mainline movies aren’t really sci fi.

[@borpus9716]

@@auxolty yeah true doesn’t have to but it often does, either way Star Wars is still not based around or focused on the technology present in the setting.

[@TheChristianPsychopath]

@@borpus9716 They're sci-fi to the degree that they play with the toys of science fiction. Aliens, hyperspace, lasers, androids, etc. Not hard sci-fi by any means, but the technology does have direct impact on the characters. Lucas was more interested in anthropology and how people live in a high tech setting, so I look at it more from that angle. Even the Force, it's not described as "magic" but an energy field. A Jedi's powers all involve some type of energy manipulation. (Discounting the sequels and Clone Wars where it becomes just magic, but the sequels treated hyperspace like magic too).

[@TheChristianPsychopath]

@@Smol_Eri There are still the C-canon books. One thing I loved about Heir to the Empire trilogy was Luke using the lightsaber in non combat ways.

[@MajesticPotato501]

I liked that Maul came back, and even if he really was just too angry to die it used that point well as his character ark was basically getting revenge on Kenobi and Sidios but he’s a cool character overall; it kinda made sense when Rey stabbed Ben and then healed him (EVEN THOUGH FORCE HEALING WAS INVENTED LIKE 20 MINUTES PRIOR) but that was for plot development between the two characters that eventually lead back to the end of the movie which is fine for the plot I guess, not to mention that he is the grandson of a very powerful force user who got all of his limbs chopped off and was still insanely powerful; and I guess one could argue that the grand inquisitor was very powerful and was once a temple guard and was probably helped by the two most powerful force wielders of the time; but the third sister is really where it makes no sense; I think they were going for another maul story, but it was just done poorly in general, but at least she can wield the force; the same can’t be said for Sabine who just gets back up the next day like nothing happened (unless is plays a bigger role in the show later on; I think they were trying to replicate the skywalker habit of losing a hand as part of training and character development or something)

[@JGburneraccount]

It was cool the first time and now it's just stupid.

[@66Destiny]

realistically with everything thats been established in star wars reva being stabbed is the only non explainable one in particular when she was stabbed as a child in the jedi temple where she would have no medical attention for hours upon hours maybe even days with no strong enough connection to the darkside to be able to survive

[@JGburneraccount]

@@66Destiny honestly it's all stupid. A saber stab should be death no matter if you get treated in 10min or 10 hours.

[@fl4shblade]

@@JGburneraccount exactly, the medical attention argument is nonsense. ever tried to turn charcoal into a functioning organ again? yup that won't work ever no matter the medical attention

[@calvinthecat]

I like that maul came back as well but only because the fact he is badass. It angers me to no end whenever star wars fans call bs over Sabine getting stabbed and surviving, when she was stabbed in a very resilient organ and rushed to the hospital 2-3 mins after. Meanwhile qui-gon was stabbed in the middle area so it most likely would have snapped his spine as well as him laying there for a long while. It's only when Disney does something like this that it's bad because 65% of this fanbase holds an eternal grudge against Disney for the sequels. I get Disney has ruined lightsabers but they certainly justified it here. Sabine was stabbed in an organ that can still function even when heavily damaged and rushed to a medical facility immediately, along with it set during the time of the new republic which means medical technology would have gone pretty far since the clone wars so I can absolutely see how she survived.

[@CRSTheManner]

Maul got cut in half and came back using the dark power of the force. I think that was one of the first steps into this trend, and it was the best execution of that instance because every other time was boring.

[@JGburneraccount]

Yup. First time was good and now it's just stupid.

[@Valen-mh9fh]

Maul should have been the exception, as he was a Sith Lord and Sith are interested in immortality. Reva just walks off implements, Sabine was weak for needing medical attention. 😂

[@CRSTheManner]

@@Valen-mh9fh Well then again, The Grand Inquisitor's was probably the worst, in a cinematic sense. Like we already know he survives because of what happened in Rebels. He was an ex Jedi and fully fledged force user as well. Just felt SO phoned in when they could have used him more. With Sabine I think it was pretty well placed, it showed her lack of skill and how little she had kept up with training. It was important to the story. I do think there was a better way to go about it instead of stabbing her like all the others, making me roll my eyes at lightsabers, but I do think it was the least stupid of the stabbings.

[@houseking9211]

imo the peak of live action lightsaber dueling was the prequals, the obi wan/qui gon vs maul fight, the yoda/obi wan/anakin vs count dooku fight, and probably the best one, the obi wan vs anakin fight are so much better than anything disney has done so far.

[@matthewsatin6347]

I finally lost it during Kenobi episode four when he struck a storm trooper with the light saber, and it bounced off!!! R.I.P light sabers the galaxies most elegant and deadly weapon. May you live forever more in my memories

[@Smallboboffical]

That stormtrooper was a dark souls boss

[@windrider970]

The scene where Qui-Gon is using his lightsaber to melt through a bulkhead established how powerful lightsabers are. They don't just cut through stuff, but can melt whatever superalloy they use on spaceships on contact. This means that if you get stabbed through the torso, your internal organs will probably get cooked/fried in an instant. There's no way to survive that even with sci-fi super bio-technology. What's worse is if you take into consideration that the human body is 70+ % water, all that water will instantly turn into steam, causing it to explosively expand. So instead of getting a cauterized hole where the energy blade entered, the victim would turn into chunky salsa as the rapidly escaping steam bursts their body apart

[@Ghosty09]

Jesus Christ

[@KoalaTContent]

Imagine if Sabine got her lower legs cut off or something. It's still a dramatic defeat in combat, and they can just slap some cybernetic feet on her later to have her moving again, but like the Skywalkers having that cybernetic limb is a permanent reminder

[@AC-iz7eh]

They probably didn't want to do that since Sabine doesn't have any prosthetics?

[@KoalaTContent]

@@AC-iz7eh She doesn't have prosthetics because they didn't do this, this is just my suggestion. If they actually did, then they would give her cybernetics

[@Culteater]

Okay, the force awakens fight was good. Really good actually, in the context of desperate raw emotion. It felt real. It even was a huge flex for kylo. Before, of course, they ruined everything after. I agree that finn should have had like major surgery and probably a robot spine or something. And not whatever the hell that thing was in book of boba or whatever. He most certainly shouldn’t have come too to no one’s surprise and has a floor slip gag. The force awakens was an unfulfilled promise to course correct away from the prequels. Yet, and it’s crazy to say this but, george at least made a semi coherent start to finish. Most importantly in the original, he didn’t leave a single thing behind. Leia was shoehorned in as luke’s sister all because yoda said “no, there is another” he wanted to be done with the movie and the actor’s guild so he couldn’t create a new character. Well, was unwilling to. These disney things are just basically unwatchable, but the more people bitch about it the more relevance it generates. It sucks but the only way to fix it is walk away, they get real desperate when their 5 billion dollar + investment doesn’t even have hate views or social justice people defending a product they also don’t like or really even care about other than to be a battleground for whatever agenda. And this goes for the ultra conservative people too. They make money off the hate. It’s just a gameboard. I like this guy’s videos. Just happened across them and he seems to have a genuine love for the star wars universe. It’s rare to find reasonable people about this subject, so thank you

[@Valen-mh9fh]

Thanks Michael, whether it is Disneysabers or the Chewie force lightning incident, it feels like stakes and tension have been removed from their shows. Disney Star Wars seems to treat lightsabers more as a firework-esque spectacle than a weapon drawn with intent, like a katana.

[@king_supreme1102]

They’re always drawn with intent. Should’ve used a different description.

[@nickthepick8043]

This all started with TCW imo. The writers pussied out when they wrote Order 66 as a microchip thing. And bringing Darth Maul back. It's all one-big-butterfly effect.

[@ivanlol7153]

@@nickthepick8043 I have no idea how giving a reason to why no clone would question order 66 and darth maul being alive has anything to do with lightsaber deaths

[@nickthepick8043]

@@ivanlol7153 Because it's all interconnected. We start allowing bad writing for one thing, and it leads to another.

[@TheEcho112]

100% agreed. Even in the older games like the Jedi Knight series and Kotor, the lightsaber was this milestone weapon you strived to get for like half the game or something and once you had it there was this sense of power like a sudden level up...and if you didn't have it yet and encountered enemies that did (dark jedi/sith) you would sweat and panic because of how much damage their lightsabers would do to you (Even the mechanics made it feel like going up against such enemies was not impossible but it was going to be tough). ...So yeah, a lot of the recent media just makes it feel a lot more "meh" in my opinion. Like it's still powerful but it has much less impact than it used to.

[@zahillethe7th846]

Trying to fight Darth Bandon on Korriban without a lightsaber is some real sweat shit.

[@centurion7398]

@@zahillethe7th846 Darth Brandon? He's a sith now too?

[@trustworthydan]

Good point and good breakdown.

[@learntooilpaint]

Yeah I know they say it’s for balance, but screw balance, look if you want balance, then make enemies stay at a distance, make blaster reflect more difficult and blaster fire more potent. However dismembered limbs should be an instant set back, and any stabs should be fatal. In fairness I feel like for the most part fallen order gets it right, other than against the big lightsaber users. Going up against a lightsaber weirder should be scary whatever you have. If they have blasters enemies should be trying to stay at a distance. Light sabers should be balanced by having to close the gap. I personally can understand however how from a lore perspective enemies who have never seen one in use might underestimate the effectiveness when mixed with a jedis skill set. Take Han as that example, someone who would never have seen a Jedi, might stand still. It’s where you need your ai to be smarter. When they see their team being decimated they should be running away, heading behind blast doors, etc. traditional archers would run at the sight of a cavalry charge.

[@ADobbin1]

Force heal is actually a thing in the original canon. How ray knew it could be done with 0 training is beyond me. Goes for most of her abilities. Ashoka would know that and probably healed sabine. Vader would also know it and probably healed reva to use the stab as punishment. Ray wouldn't know how to do it.

[@ethanbrown2019]

Probably Disney trying to push some kind of recycled 'chosen one' plot where the main character is especially gifted so they don't have to show her training and can jump right into the guts of her story. It's like they forgot the reason we liked Luke and Anakin where simple- we obsevered their entire character grow. We watched both of them train and grow in strength from basically nothing. Both of them made huge sacrifices and struggled a lot(Luke less than his father). Rey just shows up with a deep knowladge of the force and stumbles upon Anakins lightsaber with ease. Then she basically awakens and becomes omnipotent. It's a stupid gimmick used to pump out heros cheap, quick, and mad easy.

[@aldovk6681]

Bs

[@AngelA-mk5ty]

In my own copium/headcanon i believe every jedi has a special force power naturally related to them Ezra can connect with animals, Rey and Grogu can use force healing, Yoda can absorb force lighting, Obi-Wan can mind trick naturally

[@bornonthebattlefront4883]

No It is a thing, but it isn’t something like force choke or force throw that just about anyone can learn It’s more difficult to learn then force lightning, and very very very very very few people could do it And it was a dark side power, not a light side (ironic ik) So Rey definitely shouldn’t have just “had it” But Vader and Ahsoka couldn’t have learned it either Palpatine and (in the books) ben solo would have been some of the few that could have learned it But the whole lore and stuff has been thrown out for a while now It’s so dumb

[@gtwarrior4221]

copium

[@Warblade2006]

1:16 THE ONE PIEEEEEEECE

[@DD-nb9rn]

Some of the examples can be argued with, the Grand Inquisitor has like 2 stomachs or something, while Sabine got immediate medical care and was stabbed in a less vital area i think. But for Kylo and Reva its stupid. There are also just so many better ways they could have portrayed some of these scenes, especially the Sabine scene. Like, if they needed her to take an L and get injured, they could just let her hand get chopped off (or another limb) or she gets slashed across the back like Finn does at the end of the Force Awakens.

[@equizzix4804]

SEE THIS IS ALL IT TAKES

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

Kylo got immediate medical attention, granted said attention is BS but it’s still attention

[@MataNui.]

I'm still convinced Finn should at the very least should be paralyzed. That man just had a lightsaber go down his spine. His central nervous system is GONE.

[@thechroniclegamer4285]

@@MataNui. he was unconscious for a while, even with near immediate medical attention

[@daefaron]

If sabine wasn't at risk of death without immediate medical attention, there is literally no reason for Ahsoka to not chase down and capture Shin/the map. Slicing her hand off and Ahsoka not chasing Shin = stupid

[@judechauhan6715]

"An elegant weapon from a more civilised age" I believe is the quote Obi Wan said and I think was intentional as many many times we have seen analysed and showcased not just in the films by George Lucas but also everyone else who can see for themselves and understand the way Anakin and Obi Wan fight with Lightsabers is elegant and precise. The way Luke fights is unrefined and full of 'hate' or anger just like Darth Vader and the Emperor urges him to give in to it which he resists. Seeing Rey fight like that in episode 7 makes sense as she had no training or practice (the fighting style and rough nature of it, not the fact she beat Kylo Ren lol) and I'm sure training with Luke we would see by episode 9 she would still have kept some of that raw power and 'balance' in both precision and power. Lightsabers feel very lazy now but not lazy in the right way. They should be seen as a very powerful 1 hit kill weapon so you can be very very very patient to get the right attack in as opposed to a few good hits. They feel like shovels the way people prod and poke with them and the weight behind them in the newer movies feels so off.

[@Yesenn]

If *any* characters are to survive lightsaber stabs (or getting cut in half), they should be very strong with the Force. Not just any random person. Maul survived with *pure hatred,* but he also turned insane. (Though he regained his sanity later) Even then, Maul died to a lightsaber stab later on. Similar case with Anakin.

[@RevanReborn3950BBY]

Maul didn’t die of a lightsaber stab. Obiwan cut his saber in half, and when maul finally let go of his hatred, he died on the spot like sion

[@Awesomeflame16]

​@@RevanReborn3950BBY pretty sure obi cut through the saber and then right into maul.

[@iluvpandas2755]

You could use the force to the stop the wound from being to severe. Using the force to reattach your organs and cool down the area.

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

⁠@@RevanReborn3950BBYdo you think this implies that KOTOR is canon? If it has been shown that one can survive purely on hatred with the dark side does that mean that Darth sion or even Revan are canon?

[@lordbelou7279]

OR have lore reasons for it Trench survived lightsaber stabs, as far as I'm aware, but it's because his specie is already very prone to faking death and as a separatist admiral he had access to the best medical prosthetics.

[@captainnutzlos3816]

If you pour water on molten metal, looks what happens 😊 Now imagine a human, consist mostly of water gets hit with molten metal...

[@havennn9677]

I think the video games not letting you immediately slice everything in half is understandable, because being able to one hit kill everything would ruin the challenge of games like Jedi fallen order and survivor. And to Jedi Survivor's credit they did add some dismemberment in the game.

[@Patman494]

You can play Survivor with a perk called Purity that basically makes the lightsaber (and blasters) one-shot. Guess what? It's not very fun. Plus, I've seen mods with full dismemberment - they're way over the top for my taste. Pretty much every trooper getting chopped right in half, or chopped diagonally across their chest. Sure, it's more "real," but it looks ridiculous. Survivor has a good balance with just enough dismemberment to keep it impactful.

[@ashdwarf]

Exactly, I was actually playing survivor when listening to this and it was the only part of this video that I completely disagree with for the exact reasons you’ve described

[@philippeamon7271]

@@Patman494 In Fallout, you can take the Bloody Mess perk for a 5% damage boost along with a guarantee, that deaths always result in the goriest death animation. I think it's boring - it's the same animation every time.

[@AzumarillConGafasBv]

​@@philippeamon7271only applies if you're playing Bethesda "games"

[@philippeamon7271]

@@AzumarillConGafasBv I was talking about the Black Isle originals. In Bethesda's, I think they gib and dismember, with some variation

[@zelithfang2365]

This is what I said after I watched that episode: "Disney, no one made you give someone a gut shot with a lightsaber. Whatever backlash is fully brought by your own hands. You could have done anything, literally, anything else to take her down. You could have even force pushed her into a wall, giving her a concussion, almost killing her but her recovering after. But no, you stabbed her, WITH A LIGHTSABER! Guess (time for a name butchering) Qui Gon Gin was just a wuss huh?" God. Why do they do this? Another thing I said was "that's not how a lightsaber works!"

[@ezequielschlaen5992]

Something I thought could happen in Ahsoka that would have made the ending of the first episode a lot more dramatic is cutting of one of Sabine's hands or really hurting her leg or something. We've seen bionic hands, so it wouldn't be totally fatal, and yet it would have way more impact because it would stay there... forever. A part of her would have been taken. She would have a constant reminder of her failure. She wpuld be tied to the apprentice for the rest of the series. Because almost noone actually believed Sabine died from a stab. But if she was really badly hurt... that would have been way more tense

[@vixouu7925]

Even tho I think Sabine survived due to getting medical help really fast, i do agree 100% with this statement. A bionic hand would have worked as better motivation for defeating Shin Haati (is that how her name’s written?) because she would have as you said, a constant reminder of her failure. Instead it’s “oh, she stabbed me. Welp! Imma get back at her!”

[@Sinhesthysia]

In their desire to add tension and stakes to their shows/movies, it seems Disney removed any and all suspense or danger from them instead. Ironic...

[@jyles9722]

she even wiggles the lightsaber while its in Sabine lol

[@orangegalen]

It’s also part of a larger media trend of “lack of consequences/repercussions” - either short term or long term - and choosing the easy writing path. Could’ve made Finn have some sort of cybernetic spine replacement and go through a character arc coming to terms with wanting to preserve his life but ultimately choosing to use that life and spend it so others can live theirs without the First Order. But nope, fine in the next episode and his ‘recovery’ is played for a bad joke. Reva could’ve been made into a Starkiller Sith-Stalker version even more enslaved by Vader/Dark Side and realize that whatever power she had was an illusion - and maybe relate somewhat to Vader. But nah, she’s a Stronk Female Character, she’ll be fine. Same with Sabine - right as rain next episode. She was even swinging immediately after getting stabbed - something no other character has done before, and that’s not a good thing. Immediately thought of Qui-Gon, a fully trained Jedi, and he was out of the fight barely holding on to life long enough to talk to Obi-wan. Then Sabine’s just like, “man that sucked, better walk it off.” Final spit in the face… It’s all lazy writing.

[@CommanderFoxclone1010]

People are blaming Disney, but they don't know that Dave Filoni did it (Sabine Situation)

[@wjrbrent1601]

Although that is true for the Sabine case it was most likely a executive decision then Dave’s decision

[@thetruestar6348]

So Disney?

[@Igoorboy]

dont blame Filoni, he is the best thing star wars have now

[@wjrbrent1601]

@@Igoorboy 💯 agreed

[@NeroPiroman]

Dave works for disney

[@BryantRice-mn3sb]

3:10 bro The "light sabers usest to be stronger than plot armor" is carrzy

[@therealspeedwagon1451]

Imagine Qui Gon Gin’s purgatory of being forced to watch characters survive the same exact wound that he died to. I think having characters survive a lightsaber through the gut is the same as having resurrection (which to be fair Star Wars has too like with Palpatine). It just takes the weight out of seeing your favorite characters dying. Think about the deaths of Qui Gon and Satine and how the music played up their deaths and made it all the more impactful for us the audience. Now take away all that weight and all that suspense and let the characters survive.

[@trustworthydan]

There's a dude that makes a video like that. Can't remember the channel name but force ghost quigon is just like "what the fuck, I died and they lived" dude does a good job in his videos.

[@johnashiru]

The channel is called "not Obi-Wan kenobi"

[@Scarletdex8299]

Apparently they've seen that scene of Tartakovsky's Clone Wars, where Durge gets pierced with a lightsaber, chuckles menacingly and continues whupping Obi-Wan's face, without proper knowledge of what kind of creature Durge was.

[@chengong388]

Even if we assume a light sabre is so hot that on contact with flesh, there’s a constant film of steam isolating to so it won’t rapidly heat up tissue beyond the wound, which is definitely a real phenomenon. There’s also the issue of how do you remove the sabre exactly back out the same wound, while the victim is falling over. Seems like one wrong move you could chop the torso open in half. The least they could do is have the sabre user immediately turn off the sabre so they can’t cause more damage trying to remove it.

[@ничего-л7к]

A fine addition to my collection

[@Blip_Bluep7807]

star wars be like, "hey dude why weren't you at school today?" "oh i just got stabbed by a lightsaber, it's fine, i got some first aid by the teacher and just had to sleep for the rest of the day." "damn, that sucks, see you tomorrow!"

[@thegmer5249]

I think it's fine to survive a lightsaber, but they should have a very good reason for a character doing so. For example, in Sabine's case, Ahsoka was coming and Shin couldn't stay much longer anyway. Why not just have her flee? It's okay for Sith to flee, as shown several times in the prequels. It's like they just want to show how weak lightsabers have suddenly become.

[@zahillethe7th846]

If any moment deserved the awkward "Kenobi jogs away" thing, it was that scene in Ahsoka episode 1

[@macjj868]

100% agree on all points. Sabers have literally dismembered people in every single Star Wars film until Disney's EP.VII. Honestly the fight with Kylo in VII wouldn't have bothered me at all if Rey lost a limb in the struggle to defeat the "trained since a young child to be a jedi knight" Kylo

[@byron2FZ]

Finn got the same kind of injury as Obi-Wan in AOTC. Glancing blow that takes someone out of the battle but is survivable.

[@Friendlyfirefish]

Kylo was trained by a self taught combatant but never really experienced combat himself. Rey was shown to be an experienced combatant at the start of the movie

[@Friendlyfirefish]

I bet you are also fine with a self taught combatant defeating the person that killed countless of those highly trained combatants

[@macjj868]

@fishdick2006 Kylo was trained by Luke and later by not-Palpatine. Neither of those two fall under the category of "self trained". ALSO HE KILLED LUKE'S OTHER STUDENTS AND COUNTLESS RESISTANCE MEMBERS. I doubt those padawan just let him kill them. Bro's had plenty of combat experience. Which is why it makes even less sense Rey beat him. Even in a 2v1

[@philippeamon7271]

@@macjj868 Nah, Rey is copying all his answers and putting her own sparkle-glue on top, for her answer. Kylo desperately needed Corpseror Gangrene's unlimited powaahhh, to overwhelm her, and not get killed eventually. Luckily, Rey needed an obviously super-evil super-villain to make herself a Hello, My Name Is Hero. So that worked out conveniently. Infinite magic power is so very useful.

[@niskanen19]

By the time chewie was fake killed i didnt believe he actually was, and we chuckled 30s later in the theater when they showed him still alive

[@sld.rancune]

I think something should be made clear. The Maul being cut in half and the Grand Inquisitor being stabbed, and both surviving, have an explanation in lore as to why they survived their wounds. Dark Side users can survive lethal wounds out of hatred alone, they are literally to angry to die. But the Light Side ones are lazy indeed.

[@just1rando]

And the Grand inquisitor has 2 stomachs aperantly

[@tatersalad76]

​@@just1rando the Grand Inquisitor is enough of a high end non-Sith Dark Sider that I can excuse him using hatred to survive. Double stomachs is a cop out

[@just1rando]

@@tatersalad76 Fr lol

[@mclovinpo]

Stupid explanation they shoulda stayed dead.

[@deliverancegaming6652]

I think you are 100% right on everything you said. Fatal stabbing has always been the way of the lightsaber and Disney has tarnished that.

[@Mikerille]

I enjoyed them bringing back the actual slashing effect and such of lightsabers in ahsoka, since before they felt more like electric batons to me imo

[@thecrazywingman7minecraft159]

Perhaps healing tech has been improved after retrun ot jedi, that could explain some stab recoveries.

[@alexurbjr]

Thank you! I was telling my 12 year old son the same thing. Apparently, Qui-Gon is the only person that gets killed by a lightsaber anymore.

[@Pidalin]

I like how Shin is trying to remove her's lightsaber back from Sabin's body very carefully to not make that hole bigger and don't hurt her more. 😀 When you hold lightsaber in someone's body for few seconds, he has to be for 100% dead.

[@nugget4yearsago518]

Sabine's internal organs would've melted in the fleeting moment the saber was held there

[@StevenZephyc]

She can literally do a simple swipe and sabin now has a closet casket funeral

[@awesomeguy9513]

All she had to do was move the saber in any direction and Sabin is dead but plot armour and bad writing to the rescue. In the CW we saw characters get saber impaired and pretty sure most if not all of them died like the duchess she gets stabbed and is alive for about 5 seconds

[@Pidalin]

@@awesomeguy9513 Lightsaber can literally melt massive steel door just by holding it inside, when you stab someone with a lightsaber, he should be 100% dead. Maybe someone could say that jedi can use the force or something, but Sabin was not able to use the force in this moment. When someone stabs you with something what is that hot that it can melt massive door, your organs and blood just turn into goulash that I will just take a spoon and eat from you. 😀

[@thalmoragent9344]

Maul surviving was one thing. He's a powerful Dark Side Force user, who's got Dathomiri magic in his blood. He barely survived, and he went mad from the strain he'd out his mind through in order to stay alive. Is it a stretch? Sure, but it wouldn't be the first time a sith basically just straight up refused to die, (Scion being a prime example) and the consequences Maul dealt with while living through that definitely makes sense. Sabine gets stabbed in a vital area, and not only doesn't instantly collapse (even Maul was just out of it when he got sliced) but she CONTINUES to swing the saber around with some strength behind it. And she's no Dark lord of the sith, or an OP Jedi Master, nope: she's not even a force user. 😅

[@christopherbradley899]

Yea bro. It melts a got damn blast door, imagine what its doing to your insides. IT MELTS DURASTEEL IN SECONDS. Human bodies are cooked.

[@uwuifyingransomware]

I was watching the clone wars and every time someone died by lightsaber stab my immersion was broken because I remembered that’s now meaningless. Duchess Satine’s death was meant to be a huge pivotal moment and it barely affected me. I knew she wasn’t coming back, this was before lightsaber/darksaber stab wounds became survivable, but it still just felt inauthentic because of what I now know.

[@STPTTP]

At first I thought Sabine got tapped by the lightsaber but no that’s 80% of the lightsaber through her gut yet she survives

[@daefaron]

Because she got stabbed in a non fatal area and literally received immediate medical attention?

[@JGburneraccount]

Also why did hati slowly pull it out...why not just slash it out, she was in a rush so it makes it even more dumb.

[@daefaron]

@@JGburneraccount cause she didn't want sabine dead? Sabine dead means Ahsoka immediately chases and catches her, regains the map.

[@willfanofmanyii3751]

@@JGburneraccount Same reason no character ever does that.

[@en4833]

@@daefaron Then why did she stab Sabine?

[@mojo_joju]

I hate how Disney has ruined the lightsaber. If you watch Obiwan, there’s a scene in the Inquisitor’s base where he hits stormtroopers and the blade bounces off their armour like it’s a plastic baton. Meanwhile, in The Force Unleashed, Starkiller could slice through an entire ATST straight up the middle, and the pilot would fall out of the cockpit straight to the ground, and then start shooting at you.

[@Chosen_one_501]

I think it depends on how they were stabbed. There are certain instances where it’s excusable. Like at the end of fallen order, cal was stabbed at the very side of his torso for a second, so it makes sense that he was able to live. Plus the second he tried doing stuff he passed out and had to be saved by merrin and was out of it for a while. But then there’s cases like in TROS, Kenobi or with Sabine. None of those make sense. They were all stabbed in a vital place and didn’t always get immediate medical attention.

[@gojira_guy]

Sabine wasn’t stabbed in a vital place but the blade with how long it stayed inside her body it should’ve cooked her from the inside not only that but it should’ve at least led to her not being able to walk or something

[@0axis771]

@@gojira_guy She didn't walk it off like nothing. She had medical treatment for quite a while and it shows that others insisted that she still try to rest because her injury hadn't recovered. You guys are ignoring that time actually passed.

[@gojira_guy]

@@0axis771 You see that’s why I came here to see the other side of the story I haven’t watched it but from what I’ve seen I just assumed by how people were talking she just walked it off But still there should be more than just a scar it not only went through her but with how long even if for a few seconds it stayed in her it should’ve boiled her insides which should at least led to cybernetic implants or longer effects like maybe not being able to walk or something cuz it should at the very least lead to severe internal injuries There able to cuz through metal and since it emits heat it like I said should’ve at least led to more than a scar I don’t mind her surviving it But it should’ve led to more than a scar and way WAY more than just a week to even to a month of healing

[@0axis771]

@@gojira_guy Not really. Again, the idea that you are "cooked" and such is just a fallacy that people made up because they are projecting physics into this weird sci-fi story. Even though someone ALREADY did a video explaining the physics about lightsabers, and made it clear that such a weapon would make people be cooked just by igniting one. Or how even TOUCHING you with a lightsaber should make you explode. We don't even understand the medical treatment in Star Wars, but we know that it's profoundly advanced. Sabine could easily have been given a great medical treatment, especially as it was immediate, and thus avoided many of the problems. People are just far too obsessed with a lightsaber stab to the point that they just want to project hate.

[@gojira_guy]

@@0axis771 Yeah but the fact that before Disney people died from the stab just adds to the fact that it’s just kinda stupid I don’t expect to see people explode but the fact that at least around 38 people died on screen from stabs from the saber before Disney and the fact Disney keeps doing it just devalues the saber and not only that but you can get rid of Sabine getting stabbed and replace it with I don’t know a blaster shot and it really wouldn’t change the plot just adds to my frustration But at the end of the day it is a fictional series so I can’t be too mad but the fact that it’s 40 years worth of build to the saber just thrown down the drain

[@alexandermorgan5958]

Like everyone else here, I am also getting tired of seeing people shrug off lightsaber gut shots.

[@White_Recluse]

To be fair, force healing has been a thing in Legends, but the main issue is how it was introduced in the film. Ray doesn’t learn new abilities she just knows them, we never see her learning these new force abilities, it’s never explained to the audience how it exists, what the limitations are. She can just do it and we’re expected to just accept it with no second thought.

[@kingol4801]

The thing is….. force can do whatever, really. For as long there is no limit to the force, there is no limit to the abilities. Rey is essentially a genetic prodigy that is given divine favour by the force. Like it or not, but a being that has THE OMNIPOTENT POWER OF THE UNIVERSE on their side should be able to do MUCH MUCH MUCH more than “medium heal go brrr”. Logically Rey should be able to resurrect dead planets with a snap of fingers You might not like the universe favoring and giving Devine powers to Rey…. But that is what Rey essentially is as a character. She is special by definition. Not an average user that has to learn to do stuff. Hell, I would argue that having THE UNIVERSE teaching you abilities would make you more intuitive to any and all abilities compared to other generic force grunts. Universe would give you all the answers passively, to use force with the maximum/optimal efficiency and intensity. So, Rey not only can skip lifetimes of training…. She should realistically surpass and and all other force user. Just like no matter how many generations of physicists they were before putting effort to derive laws of physics… if universe just gave the answers right away, they would be far far beyond anything humans can ever produce or derive. Knowledge of the universe would be instant and complete. So, Rey being able to pull prodigy-level stuff, when normal force users struggle…… is because of her being given divine knowledge by the universe.

[@varnix1006]

@@kingol4801 in shorter words, she's a Mary Sue lmao

[@lord_dr_riz]

​@@kingol4801That's called a Mary Sue brother 😅

[@White_Recluse]

@@kingol4801 I am not reading all that shit.

[@pugmasterben]

@@White_Recluse Basically she's a Mary Sue

[@Techmej]

The only justified lightsaber stab survival I’ve ever seen was Galen Marek. He had his stomach rebuilt and was in a coma for a month. Disney must’ve seen it and misinterpreted the message.

[@jaketomkinson2310]

Great video, hits all the points that have been irking me for years about Disney lightsabers

[@RicardoSanchez-cw3xq]

The reason i think it works for both maul and sion (he's often forgotten about) is because one of them is the sith lord of immortality (even though hes bot technically alice or dead) and maul did not get stabbed, he gor cut cleanly and cauterized. A stab wound from a lightsaber however would boil your insides in seconds if it really can melt a blast shield door like it did. But how come sabine survive? Or The third sister? Or the grand inquisitor? There's no explanation! And even if there was, it makes shock deaths loose their meaning and it retcons the ebtirety of star wars

[@0axis771]

Please tell me where it states that being stabbed by a lightsaber should boil your insides. Frankly speaking, if you wanna bring in ALL the physics, simply igniting your lightsaber should cook you alive immediately. Also, blast doors are never melted. You see every blast door ALWAYS end up having a clean cut, but it's not a melted aspect.

[@neodinium7316]

​@@0axis771you can see the door clearly melts where it contacts with the lightsaber. Around the edges, not the whole thing. Sure you could argue that turning it on would cook you alive but the difference is air is in the way of you and your lightsaber. While if you get stabbed with a lightsaber it's directly in contact with flesh and liquid. Liquids are generally a much better conductor of heat. Sure not completely scientific but lightsabers were always treated as an extremely dangerous weapon. Now they're just swords with an edge everywhere.

[@RicardoSanchez-cw3xq]

@@0axis771 haha you never took physics did you? How do you think that hole is made? You melt the ring outside the hole and it falls out

[@orpheusthepoet3149]

@@0axis771 The blast door is shown to be melting in the clip in this very video from the phantom menace. This is from Qui Gon holding the saber in the door for a while though. Secondly, while it is not stated that lightsabers boil your insides it can be very easy to see why someone would think that. Lightsabers are stated to be heated plasma. We also see that the wounds are cauterized almost instantly from a quick slash. Cauterization can occur at 150 Celsius if applied for a long time or around 500 - 750 Celsius for what we see in the series. Burning plasma has a temperature of around 6000 Celsius. That's 400 degrees more than the surface of the sun. Water boils at 100 Celsius. Bone melts at 1670 Celsius. Stabbing a person wouldn't just boil the water in a persons body, it would vaporize the liquids and begin melting the flesh. On top of that the example with Sabine involved the lightsaber being left in her for a good while. At a minimum one of her kidneys, her stomach, her small intestine, and maybe her liver would need to be replaced. At most her body would be would be a mix of carbon in the atmosphere and biomolecules on the ground. Your right that applying physics to the lightsaber would brake it as a weapon.

[@0axis771]

@@RicardoSanchez-cw3xq So if something THAT hot is ignited, how are YOU not cooked immediately?

[@huntarius-geraldo-giffarius]

I think it started with Darth Maul surviving honestly. Him surviving getting cut in half was ridiculous but he ended up being so cool in the Clone Wars that everyone said "we'll give it a pass this one time". Disney saw that and thought they could get away with it every singe time lol.

[@ethanhenderson6289]

i’m with you, people give maul a pass because he’s so cool but just because they explained him coming back doesn’t mean it’s not still a bit ridiculous lol

[@huntarius-geraldo-giffarius]

@Fladinga I know. I'll include that in the "he ended up being so cool" part

[@yasininn76]

Darth Sion could literally be immortal thought sheer hatred. It still was because he was very proficient in the force, and the dark side. Immortality is not impossible, but surely a fuckwit like Sabine or even Finn (who was supposed to be the main focus and even force sensitive) could not accomplish such feats. Maul was created by George so obviously there was gonna be a reason if he ever came back, and there was. For eveyone else, it's just bullshit

[@koolkaleb19]

What’s so weird is in the Force Unleashed games there was dismemberment, but it was still labeled a teen rated game

[@Techmej]

Times were different in 2008-2010

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

For me, it really pushed over the edge when Sabine got stabbed in the gut and just… was fine afterwards? It made no sense for her to even STAND after that.

[@jojof3057]

Qui gon jin is rolling in his force ghost form, i feel so bad for him/ and every other jedi and sith who fought bravly in the countless wars

[@Themohr]

It's real simple - Disney Star Wars is trash.

[@lukasprien4338]

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[@Frank_wow]

disney ruined star wars, but it gave us the mandalorian season 1 and 2

[@15braincellsremaining]

The best Star Wars media post-Disney acquisition is the stuff Disney had the least influence over

[@masterflitzer]

​@@Frank_wowmando wasn't that great tho, half the episodes nothing happened, but the music was great

[@Sonic-VA-]

I think it's because they don't read the books....

[@bullseye3805]

I think the people complaining about the maul leg things are stupid and the people using it to defend other peoples survival too he wasn’t stabbed in the stomach it was just his limbs how is that different from anakin or Luke surviving loosing their hands I’ve never heard anyone complain about that. And for the fall obi wan fell down a massive distance in utapau and before someone says he fell into water so he was fine this is not minecraft people die from jumping off the Golden Gate Bridge falling into water from that high is equivalent to falling into concrete from that high so it’s actually worse than just falling into trash

[@shadowlaughers101]

This is the only saber stab survivor I'm ok with. Its not unthinkable to believe that there's a highly advanced hospital not too far away from her tower (where she got stabbed). However I do agree that she recovered too quickly and she's in TOO good a shape. She definitely should AT LEAST have been in recovery much longer, and at the very least, as we see her in more episodes, see her struggling with pain and discomfort from the wound

[@John-fk2ky]

That's definitely my biggest gripe with this instance. Survive, sure. Be up and walking the next day? Heck, no. You could have her be shown as okay in the next episode but have had quite a bit of time passed and give her some psychological scarring, like being VERY hesitant to engage anyone with a lightsaber again until there's a good character-relevant time to do so, like protecting one of her friends. Or, if you want to keep the timeline smaller, your idea would work just as well or possibly better.

[@jonathandavis-po6js]

Yes, medical treatment has come along way since quigon