How To Build An Acoustic Guitar Episode 25 (Re-doing The Arm Bevel)

[@larrymacaluso9051]

I'm 81, and watching you work the chisel around that veneer for the second time, l think l just aged a quick six months. Glad to see it all worked out this second go around, it looks great. Thanks for sharing another good craftsmanship video of how to.

[@ryangreenhow]

I had to fast forward through the chiseling part. I'm to go for a walk to calm myself down. :P

[@moran68]

By the time he finishes this guitar we’ll all be 81 !

[@yourtubisfilled7164]

Haha, same. 47 though (at least when I started watching this video).

[@MrRustyRustRust]

You've quickly become my favourite duo on KZbin. Thank you for providing videos that are fun, informative, and show a level of craft that just makes me want to get to my shop and build something great

[@davidlemoyne6678]

likewise, i havent had this level of ffocus attention and entertainment since "the big comfy couch" when I was 5

[@johnsee7269]

I watch a couple Luthier channels (Twoody, Obrien, etc.) and the best leave their mistakes on video and 'do what it takes' to fix it. Things can go awry no matter how 'good' one is. My compliments for your honesty and 'doing what it takes' to 'make it right' as though it never happened!

[@williamcockfield2985]

Watching this series with as many times I have ended with stitches working with chisels I hold my breath ever time

[@bvalt1]

Literally said out loud, "OMG Wow!" when he wet that edge, absolutely beautiful!!

[@moran68]

This guitar will be 6,000 years old by the time he finishes it !

[@WoodshedCustoms]

I appreciate the fact that you showed us where it was goofed and how you fixed it. Just goes to show how much recovering from mistakes goes into guitar building.

[@bloxa]

I can't believe how much skill, experience and hard work is behind each of these guitars. Truly a work of art!

[@Sammywhat]

The difficulty in removing the old bevel makes you appreciate the glue application on that bad boy! Wow. Nice work guys!!

[@timbeaton5045]

Yep. Was thinking the same myself. I might try and use this on a parts caster i-m assembling. The body has a nice figured maple top, but the neck's headstock is just plain maple.. Would like to add a flamed veneer, and then stain and oil to match the top of the body. Was wondering how best to do this, so this "Do-It-Yourself" approach to making an iron-on veneer is exactly what I want. Thanks, Chris for this excellent tip!

[@doctersound9630]

Thank you for showing us your mistakes, so we can learn from them! Also your hats are fine, your playful banter is a welcome addition! Love your videos keep up the great work! Cheers!

[@garetkonigsfeld2]

I've noticed with my own projects that saying " it's not good enough " and removing the what's not to your standards and exepting it good enough. Is how I'm getting to the next level. Thanks for sharing the hole process mistakes and all.

[@breaux2806]

Might help if you used a curling iron for the inside radius of the arm bevel. I've used one to bend sides for an ukuele on the cheap. Love your videos guys, keep em coming

[@alanpettibone]

I was just laying on the couch, trying not to stress while you chisel away that excess veneer and I just about leaped off the the couch at 24:18 when you did the “Snap!” Wife says I need to relax… and this is how I relax. 🤣

[@gt9-1001]

Love to see the progress and I for one appreciate your jokes and banter. Keep up the good work!

[@mikebell3396]

I used to deal with a lot of veneer at my last joinery job but we used a construction grade contact adhesive and you had to use turps to take off the veneer if you messed up and wait ages for for it to dry 😬.......... Sometimes a heat gun on full blast will help release the veneer from the PVA also depending on how long it's been sitting for👍

[@benboo6351]

As an ex cabinet maker, this is total cliffhanger territory. Glad you made it in the end!

[@charltonwang]

Come on, man. Matt is awesome! He's been one of the best additions to the shop. :)

[@jeffcummings1985]

I appreciate the commentary (and even the Dad-jokes) from both of you. Matt often asks the questions I'm thinking. I come here to learn. I've never attended a class where the instructor was silent. Maybe if I had gone to mime school 🤔. There's still time.

[@KTBProductions420]

I can't wait to see the end result. The guitar is literally an artifact of history, love it.

[@xdoctorblindx]

Isn't everything ever "literally an artifact of history"?

[@KTBProductions420]

@@xdoctorblindx not necessarily, an artifact is an item made by humans that has cultural or historical interest. Clearly this man made object has historical significance.

[@rickbertelsen2166]

why didnt you use the hot iron to take the veneer off

[@CastlebayNet_Music]

I have removed veneer that was heat-glued by reheating it with the iron and pulling it gently. No risk of gouging with a chisel.

[@patrickwilliams3108]

I never expected that the "3000 Year Old Guitar Build" was an estimate of the amount of time you'd take to do it. :) Great stuff, and thanks for showing us what mistakes look like and how to fix them.

[@hartleyshandcrafted]

hey by the time they finish the series, there'll be more ancient wood available. including me! ever seen a mummy wood guitar?

[@waynejohnson4819]

Great result. I love building my guitars with streamline arm bevels. Your video was well presented and I pickup a few good tips from your method of fitting the veneer on. When I make my veneers I aim to thickness them to 0.67mm or close to that figure. Keep on with the great instructional videos. WJ Guitars

[@anitatimothy8975]

Nice to know your gluing technique works really well....

[@smokerx893]

as long as this build is taking i think i understand how this guitar got so old :3 just mess'n around glad to see more of this

[@monday6524]

Thank you so much for the transparency of this build. Nothing goes perfectly and being able to recover from mistakes is REALLY important! And... knowing when your recovery needs to stop as going further will make things worse. That would be an interesting discussion to have sometime. BTW: broken pencils are pointless.

[@geraldlrstubbs]

You can get a small flat iron that is much easier to use on the tight curves, and which gives as much heat as the full sized iron. It is about 3" long.

[@waynejones6215]

Great looking on the 3 year build

[@freddymercury1024]

The editing looks sooo good! Can tell you guys are stepping it up, keep it up!!

[@andrewmundenandcadfellmast4624]

Looks fabulous Chris👍🏼

[@nipunlokuwithanage3433]

for the waist area of the arm bevel you can try a soldering iron and a wet paper towel. anywho love the work and attention to detail. the standard you guys set as the bare minimum is so so close to perfection and it shows :)

[@scottakam]

Much better this time. The first episode was sadder than the one where Fredo went fishing!

[@themacicaworkshop5889]

Thank you so much for this video on the armrest.

[@johnp6269]

That looks incredible!

[@leelossi1257]

nice job....keep up the humor. it prevents insanity!

[@HandToolWoodGuy]

Ahhhhhhhhh, another video from you guys! Great start to my day.

[@guitarz]

Nice work gentleman!

[@MrArlenBrazill]

A curling iron might get into that inside radius well.

[@RainRedMusic]

There are hair curlers that don’t have a clamp for sections of hair. It’s just a heat wand cylinder essentially. I wonder if that would get hot enough for the tight corners or if there’s something similar for applications like this.

[@Panicagq2]

I was thinking the same, or the sealing irons sold at craft stores for scrapbooking, etc...looks like a tiny clothes iron on a straight handle.

[@patrickhawley1392]

You should fill in any gaps or holes rather than just covering them with the veneer. On thin veneer they would telegraph through and look bad. I learned this the hard way and have had to re-do an arm rest veneer because of that.

[@larryclark3547]

NOICE!! Great recovery!

[@simplybananas]

I really enjoy this series.

[@Amrtidy]

Cool, I like you talking. Your chit chat is great!!!

[@mikegray-ehnert3238]

Found it interesting that the guitar hummed with the sanders vibration and the tone changed when the speed of the sander changed!

[@TheAciddragon069]

i know this is an old video but on that inside curve on the waist couldn't you use a curling iron? it's smaller and round so it would fit in that curve easier.

[@rocktownmusic8848]

Thank you for adding your painting handle to your site. I loved the design of them but too lazy to replicate.

[@DriftwoodGuitars]

I just saw your order! We’ll get it out for you tomorrow.

[@michaeldenney286]

Why not use a bending iron on the waist to stick the veneer. A bit awkward to hold onto maybe but I think doable.

[@InfiniteRealms]

For heat setting the glue at the waist maybe use the barrel of a soldering iron?

[@hartleyshandcrafted]

i use the barrel of my ak-47. great for cooking bacon as well.

[@danecope7243]

Thanks for what you guys do!

[@walterrider9600]

thank you Chris and Matt . do you buy the veneer and where do you buy it

[@chris5355]

Would re-heating the old veneer and its adhesive soften the glue again?

[@andrejanssen3195]

Why don’t you use a little handplaner for the veneer i find to be more controllable

[@carlaruigh8073]

Love you videos! You are a great teacher. How have you done vacuum clamp? I’ve searched everywhere and can’t find anything like it. I don’t hear a pump? The systems I found are so noisy they would drive me crazy in a few minutes.

[@Arthur-hg7ny]

Why wouldn’t heat the veneer up to soften the glue to peel the veneer off instead of chipping at it dry?

[@robertmoriarty925]

I’m late to the party, but, would a slightly modified CURLING IRON (with the clamping section removed for instance) Work better for ironing the veneer at the inside curve at the waist?

[@Michael777Simmons]

awesome thanks

[@zodiam1]

Mustard for burns. It helps. Don't know why. right after you burn yourself put a little mustard on it.

[@randydavidson8793]

I watched this when it first came out and enjoyed it. I am about to attempt my first arm bevel, I am a bit anal retentive about measurements, what is the approximate thickness of the veneer? Thanks again for the vids. Finish this thing BTW. Lol

[@deanboca12]

Did you ever finish the Deluxe Reverb build?

[@rogermawhorter2957]

I’m curious on whether a curling iron would work in the waist area.

[@MrAcEsNeIgHtS1188]

I don't need a Spindle Sander-yet-but I WANT one!! ;)

[@jdguillot8647]

Would a curling iron be a good tool for up in the waist there?

[@thatdiyguyraymondmonk1225]

I would have penciled on line up marks whilst the tape was still on the guitar and transferred to the veneer..

[@jaroslavmachconcertguitars7297]

Instead of using the iron, why not use the bending iron especially in the waist area?

[@danstiverson]

Wouldn't that trimming have been done easier with a finger plane?

[@algio3041]

You’re a master and I mean no disrespect when I ask this. Are you concerned that with age the veneer will wear through with use?

[@DriftwoodGuitars]

No not at all. I mean, you’d have to wear through the finish first and that’d be a feat in and of it’s self.

[@jamescripps9361]

Why not just use a solid piece of maple for the arm bevel and skip the veneer all together? Sorry if my question is stupid. I've never built a guitar. So this is all new to me.

[@freddymercury1024]

You ever tried a curling iron for that radiused area?

[@jeremyturner2873]

That's exactly what I use. A curling iron with the clippy thumb part removed.

[@rogeriocosta1035]

No problem, it will be 4000 years when is finished

[@Anthony-ll4nh]

I have a question. Does that arm bevel detract from the guitar's sound quality?

[@markgrimm3564]

chris please how thick is the correct veneer where all dying to know

[@MoGiMaL]

I’m redoing one right now because I had the same problem of not flattening. Also figured I had too thick of veneer. Probably .030” is a good thickness.. also depends on how flexible the veneer is. That being said I also made a palm-away bevel, gluing on to very curved edge with a .050” lacewood veneer. I ironed the heck out of it though.

[@kapstersmusic]

I totally get it, "I meant to do that"...

[@JoesExpressLLC]

Umm was that supposed to be there? After you removed the veneer there was a void between the bevel and the top

[@DriftwoodGuitars]

Not a void, it’s filled with transparent glue.

[@Raven-Creations]

What's a month when it's been 3000 years in the making? It looks so much better than when we last saw it. For a guitar built out of such special wood, you have to get it right. "Good enough" is never good enough.* That's the attitude that lost Gibson a lot of their reputation, e.g. using filler and opaque finish to cover up bad neck jointing. * except when AvE says "good enough for the kind of girls I go out with"

[@roosky203]

Yesss, finally

[@GregsGarage]

Nailed it!!! Also, keep the jokes coming...!

[@Spheramid]

I would have used the iron to heat that glue and the veneer would just flop off. But hey, your way got you there.

[@msPaulaA1]

Chris get yourself a (1” dia) wide barrel curling iron for working the laminate in the waist area. DO NOT USE YOUR WIFE’S! Seriously get yourself one. It’ll be the right tool for the job.

[@hartleyshandcrafted]

Luigi 4 lyfe

[@danielsoukup5734]

I love the jokes, keep ‘em coming. Ignore the haters.

[@nolimitsldr]

I like how you integrated your apron into your pants. 😂

[@barryc9115]

Yeah….yeah….yeah…….See you guys in a month 😂🤣😂🤣

[@YourFavouriteColor]

gentlemen, you are luthiers. That's where your expertise lies. I am a trained composer. This is where my expertise lies. I put this as a preamble in the hopes that you'll take this comment in the right spirit. Your jingle...the part where the Am goes to the C. The bass and melody are doubling. This is normally kind of a faux pas in its own right, but they join on the third and you have a doubled major 3rd in your C/E chord!(0:07)This is, with all due kindness, a tune-killing choice compositionally. Doubling the third in the melody when the bass note is also on the 3rd is very rarely done, especially on a target note/accented spot. Why? It's got to do with some tonal theory, but suffice it to say, it's just an awkward, thin, anticlimactic sound. The "tried and true" cliche in this spot would have been to go A G E in the melody and then A B C in the bass, climbing up in contrary motion. This is much more satisfying and works a lot better but it's also a hokey cliche, which is why I suspect you avoided it. But there are many other options. Am-G-C/E with the melody notes A up to D down to C. Avoiding cliche but still satisfying and solid. I know most people won't care but I believe there is some parts of everyone's brain that feels the unsatisfying hollow sound of that doubled third. Not trying to be negative or crticial. It's similar to you giving luthier advice to someone who hasn't studied luthierie. I know you're a working guitarist, but guitar performance isn't the same as arranging/composing. totally different skill. Anyway, just trying to be helpful. Thanks guys!

[@YourFavouriteColor]

PS, there are other things about the composition that betray a certain naivete about writing, namely the rhythm. 8th 8th 8threst 8th 8threst 8th 8threst tied 8th into long value, that's also a serious rhythmic cliche. there are a bazillion tunes with that rhythmic trope. Just another thing to be aware of. The way to improve this skill is to take special and detailed notice of famous tunes and really examine just how exotic and weird the rhythms are, and how crucial rhythmic novelty is. A few examples: Hello Goodbye by the Beatles Come out and Play by the offspring Thriller by MJ Birdhouse in your soul by they might be giants Wouldn't it be nice by the Beach Boys just take notice at how much DYNAMITE goes on in the rhythmic composing. Examine where short values and long values come where you don't expect them. Empty space is used where you don't expect it, how long and short values are ordered one way, then suddenly swapped "wouldn't it be nice IF WE----so we wouldn't have TO WAIT--" those little swaps, little details, create seduction and electricity and make these melodies absolutely unlike each other, and unlike anything else. What you're doing in your jingle is what I call "channeling." You're a gifted musician with great chops, and you kind of sit at the guitar and let the music sort of fall out of you. This is how MOST singer songwriters today write. But if you really take some time with those songs and really break them down, the ones above, you'll start to notice just how much counter-intuitive stuff there is, and how much CARE went into every phrase. I know I'm yelling into the void and nobody cares, but on the off chance these were valuable pointers, I figured I'd mention it.

[@DriftwoodGuitars]

Uuuuum all of the music you hear in this video is just filler music we got online through our video music supplier. We didn’t write it, record it, or compose it. We just license it for the one video. I appreciate the effort you pot into this message, but we just don’t have anything to do with the song you’re referring to.

[@YourFavouriteColor]

@@DriftwoodGuitars oh thank God. Use a different song! Run away from this service as quickly as you can! Someone who doesn't know what they're doing is marauding around writing jingles

[@Amrtidy]

Weeelll, do you think that someone pays full price that guitar?😉

[@bldallas]

You need to change the title to Building a 3,002 Year Old Guitar,,,,

[@HandToolWoodGuy]

"Normally this juset kinda pops off for me". Yep. Except when you're recording it. THEN......

[@giantato]

at last LOL

[@HardwareLust]

I disagree with that guy completely. The interaction between you and Matt has improved your content tremendously. Don't listen to that guy.

[@mikegray-ehnert3238]

That's 3,600 seconds.

[@gavinchia5841]

It's only a mistake if you don't learn from it. I like the conversations and the jokes. For others, KZbin provides a mute button for free.

[@Overit5000]

Considering the prices of your tools and guitars you better be fuckin paying him 😂

[@willthompsonband]

👀

[@DriftwoodGuitars]

Move along sir, nothing to see here.

[@hartleyshandcrafted]

a candle for your deceased veneer.

[@zeffneeson7599]

Can’t believe someone complained about you joke about to much 🤷🏻‍♂️ KZbin is a strange place you get great teaching for free from top builder and people still find a reason to grumble about something 🙄🤷🏻‍♂️😂

[@peytoncopeland6616]

This video is sponsored by Titebond 1... a sentence you don't say often

[@pmccartn7777]

I'm only here for jokes and hats.

[@collinschipper9248]

according to Ben Shapiro, being married to it is no reason to stop with a dry fit.

[@chrishartz2397]

Arm bevels are a fad..15 years from now…no guitars will have them….personally I hate them…

[@RonnieMarler]

So much cringe!

[@tranquilitybase6417]

This is NOT good ASMR :)