How To Buy A Bike • Cannondale SystemSix vs. SuperSix Evo Comparison • Aero vs. All Around

Welcome to the Ing Guides Life’s feature presentation - “How To Buy A Bike: Aero vs All-around Comparison.” This video isn’t about the details of component options or getting the best deal on a bike. There’s already plenty of videos on those subjects out there. This video is unique. This video is a guide to evaluating a bicycle’s ride feel aka, handling characteristics.
We give you a Framework Of Understanding (FOU) for bike testing. An easy to remember framework that explains the rider’s actions and the bike’s reactions. Included in this F.O.U. is a continuum of geometry that will enable you to categorize a bike as more stable or more maneuverable. Once you understand the factors involved, evaluating a bike for ride feel is easy and enjoyable.
These are the tools you need to find the right bike for you. They’re also the tools you can use to improve your bike handling skills.
If you arrived here simply because you want information on one or both of our Cannondale test bikes, you won’t be disappointed. We do an in-depth breakdown of each bike ride feel and how they compare. We also cover practical aerodynamics, weight differences, hi-mod v ballistec, and why your equipment matters. You’ll also see many great action and studio shots of each bicycle.
We’ve provided chapter links below to make navigating the video easier depending on your specific interests, but we strongly urge the viewer to take in the whole presentation first.
We really appreciate the support of our subscribers, and we strive to provide them with useful information. We hope this presentation helps you build a better understanding of bikes and how to enjoy them. If you think this content is worthwhile, please like, comment, and share, as it
helps us spread the content.
Thanks for watching. Now get out there and Enjoy Life More!!!
Additional notes:
- Special shout out to Papa Wheelies and Cannondale. You folks ROCK!!!
- The aero test bike in this video is a size 56, the all around bike is a 54.
- Link to the Cannondale’s SystemSix "White Paper": d1mo5ln9tjltxq.cloudfront.net...
us&hash=CFBA05F624C16CD6EBFD44804AA0B63994397751
- Link to SuperSix document: www.cannondale.com/-/media/fi...
Chapter Links:
0:00 About This Video
0:37 Step 1: Get Fit First
2:56 Day 1 Test Ride
8:09 Does Equipment Matter?
10:00 Framework Of Understanding Part 1: Rider Inputs
14:37 Day 2 Test Ride
15:38 Framework Of Understanding Part 2: Bike Reactions
21:48 Day 3 Test Ride
29:16 The Geometry Continuum
32:48 Geometry Comparison
36:22 Day 4 Test Ride
39:19 Practical Aerodynamics
43:37 Day 5 Test Ride
47:40 One Pound Difference
50:58 Day 6 Test Ride
52:30 Day 7 Test Ride
55:55 The Decision: Which Bike To Buy

[@klausklaus2119]

Brother, that was the best bike video I watched in YEARS!!!!

[@jinnij.caiman]

Most informative video I’ve watched in a year. Bravo! Seriously this helped me so much! You went above and beyond on this and I haven’t seen anyone go this in-depth on a bike consideration video and have it make sense, be entertaining, extremely informative, and can be used on basically any brand of bike.

[@a.l.s.718]

I never thought I would stick to the end of that video, but man you killed it!!! deserves millions of views and thumbs up!!!! looking forwards for your next uploads mate, greetings from UK.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Wow! We really appreciate that.

[@Suedesi]

How's this video so under-appreciated, viewed, liked? Yeah it may sound like a Cannondale infomercial at times, but the framework of understanding, the bike geometry continuum, the geometry comparisons and how those changes manifest in ride feel are universal and applicable to any bike brand you like. Highly recommend - great job Jack!

[@iamshack]

The best video on racing bikes I've come across. I've watched this no less than 8 times. Such a great learning experience!

[@jensenorofino8192]

Damn, this is not just a how-to guide. This is a documentary! Good job!!

[@alexpark9610]

What a brilliantly made video. If you're hovering over the buy button on either of the Supersix or Systemsix bikes then this is THE best video. Balanced over a 7 day test period precise comparisons with just enough tech talk to make you understand why you're pressing the buy button on the one you want. Me: Presses buy on SystemSix. Fantastic video jack and team at ING 👍

[@ingguidesmedia]

Wow!!! Thank you so much for these good words. Hearing that we made something useful makes all the work worth it. I hope you enjoy the heck out of the bike. It’s a wonderful machine and A Lot of fun. Thx, Jack

[@iamshack]

Went with the SuperSix but now I'm coming back for the System Six as well. Jack has me sold on both 😂

[@jsfields198]

Fantastic video. Exceptional well balanced review. Lots of great info. Feel like I need to watch it again. So much info to take in. I bought the 2020 SystemSix and couldn't be happier. Best bike I have ever owned.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Jay Fields Thank you so much Jay. We were hoping folks would appreciate it. The System is a special bike. You made a great choice. Wishing you great rides on it. Jack

[@BobMahal]

What an amazing and engaging explanation of not only the bikes but also the principles of cycling. Thank you.

[@shoudhodas9031]

Sweet analysis, impressed with the geometry breakdown. Being a mechanical engineer i know how hard is it to break down everything for a layman to understand each design concept. Keep it up man !!!

[@specialagentzeus]

fuck me what amazing content, this should be on netflix, well done mate!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Wow!!! Really appreciate that Martin. Thx, Jack

[@awdthailand]

Already bought a systemsix but I have been waiting to watch this video. Well done! Awesome hour long video. Keep up the quality contents!

[@ingguidesmedia]

phumin.p That is a great bike. I wouldn’t have been disappointed going w the Aero bike. So much fun.

[@flash9710]

Amazing video! So much useful info, I love the videos! Keep it up

[@titaniumac]

Bravo!!! I couldn't agree more to those who said this is the best bike video. This video is the best I've ever watched. Appreciate the content very much! Keep going! Wait to see more reviews. Subscribed.

[@JTChi]

I love your videos!!!!! Makes it so much easier for me to decide which bike to purchase!! Thank you

[@ldvno88]

Thank you for taking the time to do quality review on these 2 bikes and with so much detailed explanation. By far the best video I have seen explaining dymamics on bicycles geometry, stability and maneuverability!! I got the system6 and over 40 so we’ll see how it goes

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you Sergio. If you think of it, please let us know how the bike works out for you. Jack

[@oliveraltura3336]

Thank you so much Jack! There was so much information that I could have not imagine to consider in buying my next bike.👌

[@ingguidesmedia]

You're welcome. Glad we can help. Thanks for the nice words. Jack

[@ricardogravina6051]

Amazing in-depth approach! I spend many hours surfing youtube and websites gathering info to help me choose between an all-rounder vs an aero. This is by far the best video ever. Just a pity it was so hard to find! Would have saved me sooo much time. Thanks a lot.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you a lot Ricardo. Glad to hear the search was worth it in the end. Jack

[@michaelstueben2880]

A wonderful video. Thanks so much for making it!

[@betisseksi]

Jack, Very comprehensive video. Really open my mind. Thumbs up!!

[@josiahseverino9354]

More of these please! This is just straight up amazing!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Couldn't agree more JS. We're working very hard behind the scenes to bring our viewers more of these types of videos (they aren't easy to make). Stay tuned, much more on the way. Thanks so much for the compliment, we really appreciate it. Jack

[@Marioblacksmith]

I watched I laughed I enjoyed I learned I was entertained. this video is everything

[@alanmacaskill6121]

I’ve been waiting for this video for some time. Very detailed and incredibly high production levels. Well done. I’d already bought a 2020 SystemSix last autumn. A beautiful bike. Fast and fun. I wouldn’t mind a Super Six as a winter bike, though! 😜

[@ingguidesmedia]

Alan MacAskill Thanks for the good words Alan. You purchased a great bike. As you wrote; beautiful, fast, and FUN!!!!

[@miltw3]

That was a very helpful video. I'm trying to make that decision also. Leaning toward the SystemSix.

[@carlgarcia8091]

Awesome video! Thank you for taking the time and this really helped me!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Glad it helped CG. Thx for the good words, we really appreciate the feedback. Jack

[@ytubela]

Amazing production quality and very good information for new road cycling enthusiasts like myself (I've been a MTB guy for 20 years). I can't believe you only have 1.4k subscribers with this level of video and info.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you for those kinds words. For years, we used this channel solely to privately preview our contracted work for clients. We only committed to building this channel with our stuff a few months ago. Since then our subscribers are climbing at a good rate. MTB's are awesome. We ride them, but just haven't gotten around to doing any vids about them, except for this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaDQlGWQotljZ8U That thing was a hoot! Really hope you're enjoying the road side of things. Thx, Jack

[@chrisgilligan4968]

I just stumbled onto the vid. So much great insight on what to think about in the decision making process. It's funny - there doesn't seem to be the same kind of availability these days to test ride bikes. It's an expensive prospect to have even a few of the models in any kind of range of sizes. Also the COVID situation has made bicycles a pretty hot commodity - just about everything is sold out. In depth videos like this one really help to narrow the field. I had already purchased my SystemSix prior to the release of this video. Even so, thanks for putting this video together. It helps me confirm some of the things that I was thinking, and to a certain degree validates my purchase even more! I've had it for a little over a month now and have put just a little over 1000 km on it. I absolutely love riding this bike. My longest ride so far was just over 100km. It felt great, never felt unstable or too harsh of a ride....during that ride I did about 3000 feet - just a little shy of 1km of elevation gained and obviously some descending as well. I do a good portion of my riding alone - and that played into going with a more aero bike to help me cut through the wind better when I don't have anyone to share the draft with. There are so many great bikes out there...would love to have the funds to pick up a solid all-rounder and maybe even a TT rig. But bikes being as expensive as they are - I believe this one is going to have to be the jack of all trades....and so far it is living up to every expectation.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thx for the comment CG. Makes a lot of sense, and I’m glad you found the bike for you. The System is a great bike. I just left my shop and they had very few bikes in stock. Covid’s doing a real number on inventory.

[@kelvinpoh9473]

I'm only halfway through the video and my oh my, what an educational video! I've been reading up a lot of cycling for the past few months but have not come across anything as comprehensive as this. What took me so long to find this channel? Please keep up the good work!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Kelvin Poh thx Kelvin. We hope you get something out of the second half too. We’ll continue to work hard to bring our viewers value. We appreciate your support and encouragement. Comments like yours keep us motivated. Thx, Jack

[@kelvinpoh9473]

@@ingguidesmedia Thanks Jack, for the hardwork! Your content is so refreshing to hear because alot of cyclists that I know belong to the 'buy upgrades' camp and fall for all the marketing hype you mentioned, so much so that it makes me feel like a freak that I'm using less branded stuff (which works really well). Really glad to find a channel that shares the same philosophy!

[@wmpercival]

Excellent presentation of complex information. Thanks for putting in what was obviously a significant commitment of time and effort to make this!

[@ingguidesmedia]

William, reading that makes all the work worth it. You nailed it brother - presentation of complex information. We suspect you have a high IQ.

[@swaj777]

New sub here. Great vid! The most comprehensive review. I didn’t notice it was an hour long. Keep it going! 👏👏👏

[@ingguidesmedia]

Josh Doctolero Thanks JD, I think you’re gonna enjoy our new BMC Teammachine review. Will post shortly. Thanks for the sub. Jack

[@saxmannathan6584]

Brilliant video!!

[@enasoii]

great video! Very enjoyable to watch, Great content creator very informative and honest. what a treat

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you. Jack

[@Turbo329]

As your fellow KZbinr, I've been wanting to make a video about my SystemSix Hi-Mod but ultimately you covered EVERYTHING in this video. Hands down the best video about the bike on KZbin. Funny thing is that you want a SystemSix for your second bike but I could make a case for the SuperSix as a second bike on my end. In all fairness though, the geometries are very close with the difference being primarily the wheelbase. So in essence, they are the same bike in many ways. In the motorcycle world, we set up the bikes for each race track (geometry etc). So the bike can feel like something completely different from track to track. With road bikes, there isn't that much adjustability (that's not a word I know) so manufacturers have to create a different frame set altogether. If you really wanted to bump up the aero profile on your SuperSix you could honestly just buy the KNOT SL 64 that come on the new SystemSixes and save another 10 watts at 0 yaw. :D I've put quite a few miles on my SystemSix and I absolutely love it. To your point about responsiveness/twitchiness, I do have trouble holding a line in crosswinds or when fatigue sets in but that is the tradeoff you pay if you need a bike to make those split second decisions without protest. With most manufacturers abandoning the aero category for all-rounders with aero features, the SystemSix may end up being the fastest road bike ever made. I wonder if Cannondale's SystemSix was the reason for Specialized throwing their chips down and anger and walking away from the Poker table (Rounders Final Hand with Matt Damon and John Malkovich). hahahaha I notice the difference in how well it holds its speed. I have a 2013 Venge Expert (10r carbon) with Enve 7.8 and Zipp aero bars so it isn't slow by any stretch. However, the SystemSix holds it's weight faster and might even accelerate a little faster as well most likely due to the Hi modulus frame. It's just a better bike all around with the Venge only being slightly more comfortable while climbing. What blows me away is that Cannondale is so far ahead of it's time at least 2 years and that's an eternity in development terms. That SuperSix had the airfoil tube shapes already long before the other manufacturers caught on. For 2020 and the foreseeable future I'm Team Cannondale.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Turbo329 If you wrote this so you’d be my favorite person on KZbin it worked. Thank you so much for this very well thought out comment. BTW, I’m loving your SystemSix videos. You sir, know what’s up.

[@thelionskiln]

Hey, thanks! Watched this video all the way through. Liked the presentation and deep explanation of the bikes. Still not sure which one I want but it has definitely helped me understand more about both bikes types. Thanks and cheers.

[@ingguidesmedia]

That's great to hear. Thx. Purchasing a new ride is a big deal. Wishing you the best with your decision. Jack

[@BulletJS]

Better late than never. Outstanding video! Just purchased a 2018 Super Six Evo and love it

[@ingguidesmedia]

It’s a great bike. Glad to hear you’re enjoying it!

[@grantmcalpine6364]

I wish I found these videos before. With the bike shortage, I ended up with the Cervelo Caledonia. As a 5'6" male, I can fit on the 51cm but just felt so much better on the 48cm. I believe I need a longer stem so I will be seeing my fitter this week to ensure I can make this bike work. If not, I might be heading back to get the 51. Or just go with the 48 until the bike shortage gets better and I can buy a better fitted bike. I do feel pretty good that we can get this 48 working for me and I appreciate all the info in your videos.

[@b09d4n]

Congratulation! This is a masterpiece, almost like a documentary about cycling! Made the same choice like you! I had enough 3 years on an Aero bike, doing Yoga everyday just to be able to ride that bike :D

[@ingguidesmedia]

b09d4n thank you for that. I do yoga like stuff every day just cuz it’s awesome. But, yeah, I wouldn’t want to have to do it becuz my bikes kicking my ass every ride.

[@neilmckenna236]

Loved the video, really really good!! Thought for sure you were taking the SystemSix!! I NEED to see the video on your choice!!!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Coming soon! Yeah, I really miss hot rodding around on that Aero bike.

[@weileradam]

Super helpful video. I actually stumbled on it after purchasing the same white SuperSix EVO with SRAM Force Etap, but felt like it reinforced a lot of my deciding factors (and likely my biases...lol) in an easy to remember frame of understanding. Hot damn I love that bike.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Hahaha!! Sooo good. Thx Adam. You choose wisely. Jack

[@Totorka1]

High quality stuff. More people need to see it.

[@oc3144]

Dude INCREDIBLE CONTENT, thank you brother!! I'm getting that SuperSix Evo!!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you. I suggest you check out our BMC SLR01 video. Might give you some things to consider before purchasing the Evo. Both great bikes, they just handle a bit differently. I really appreciate your comment. Jack

[@Miradce]

Hi Jack, Thanks for the great video. I’ve got a brand new Supersix Evo Hi-Mod Ultegra Di2 2022 two weeks ago. I had 3 short rides on it. We have too much snow now. But I already feel excited about this bike and waiting for more rides. By the way, my previous bike was BMC Roadmachine 01 Two and I planned to buy Teammachine. I’ve also seen your previous video about it. I tested BMC TM on Mallorca last spring and found it too stiff. Supersix is surprisingly comfortable for a race bike. Greetings from the Czech Republic.

[@Stoffendous]

One of the best cycling videos I have ever seen. REALLY made me want to ride, but guess what: i kinda overtrained myself lately. Thanks for the video!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Stoffendous Thank you very much for that. I’m sorry to hear about the over training. It’s so annoying. You’ll probably like the next video we’re putting out (will post in a couple days). Directly addresses the overtraining issue and a solution most roadies won’t see coming. Best, Jack

[@kurtcurran]

Very much liked the content, have been checking out your other videos. Hope you get more views, content is worth it.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you sir.

[@damianhernandez6581]

Amazing video my brother im very new to this and the supersix evo is what I bought makes me feel proud that I made the correct choice for myself and this video confirmed it for me looking forward to more material as I've learned a great deal with this one thank you!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Damian Hernandez Thank you DH. Very happy for you making the right decision. Lots more material on bikes and gear coming. We’ve been hard at work behind the scene getting ready to flow out the best 411 we can. Stay tuned. Jack

[@dcv9460]

This is AWESOME! Thank you =)

[@Hebbs]

I bought a SystemSix in August now I’m buying the SuperSix for climbing and high winds.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Outstanding! You guys getting both machines is getting me a little jealous. Hahaha!!! Jack

[@REMODA92]

Jack my man..that was epic....now that's what I call a comprehensive bike review.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thanks! Great to read that!!

[@Turbo329]

Loved this video. I just bought a left over 2019 System Six Ultegra Di2. I can't wait to receive it.

[@ingguidesmedia]

You are in for a real treat. That bike is bananas. (Yeah, I’m a little jealous) Please let us know how it goes. All the best, Jack

[@Turbo329]

IngGuidesLife will do. I will do a video about it on my channel. I really enjoyed this. For a bike that really is the fastest bike out, there isn't much on it as far as videos are concerned. Everyone loves Specialized and Trek. Plenty of videos on those.

[@ingguidesmedia]

@@Turbo329 Thanks. Yeah, I see a lot of that equipment on the roads. Speaking of roads: dude your motorcycle stuff is hot fire. Great perspectives. Haha! Riding bicycles must be a piece of cake for you.

[@Turbo329]

IngGuidesLife hahahaha. Thanks man. Took this season off due to Corona although I might get an event or two in before the year is over. The track photographer asked me if I wanted to do laps on the racetrack with the Cannondale when I get it so that might be some future content. I hate not riding the motorcycle because my sense of speed starts to wane after a few months. Depth perception needs to be kept sharp. I'll just have to ease my way back into it. I ended last season on a very high level.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Turbo329 outstanding!!!!

[@marcinciszewski9053]

Just amazing, thank you 😍

[@bartonbronstein8121]

this is great. well done. thank u

[@klyyoung2728]

Very well done video. Great presentation and great information. I may have to switch from Trek to Cannondale.

[@guykilfoil6933]

Great video! I watched most of it during this morning’s Zone 2 on Zwift and then the rest as I got to the office. I also bought the SSE (in Feb this year) and it was a massive toss-up between the Sys6. Got to say, I chose the SSE for very similar reasons you did. I can’t afford to have both bikes (but would in a heart beat for sure) so felt that the SSE gave me a better all-round do everything race bike. And so far I absolutely love it!!

[@ingguidesmedia]

You choose wisely GK.

[@ramonbinamira542]

Nice video. I too am considering one or the other of these two great bikes. I too am leaning toward the SSE. I'm a bit older than you (62) but I have a similar cycling background and priorities when it comes to riding. Thanks!

[@NomadFilmmaker305]

Wow! This video is amazing!!!!!!!! ❤️❤️❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@ingguidesmedia]

Nomad Filmmaker I’m pretty sure you’re amazing. Thanks so much. Jack

[@SubaruProduction]

thats how a bike review should be! awsome video

[@ingguidesmedia]

Dima Herber 🥰

[@earlhunt6380]

great video, I ended up buying both!!!!! thx

[@ingguidesmedia]

I can't fault you for getting both EH. Very difficult for me to choose just the one. Wishing you great riding on both. Jack

[@455LT1]

This was the best bike video ever! Wow

[@ingguidesmedia]

J Jones Well, you just left us the best comment ever, so we’re even. Haha!!! Seriously, we really appreciate your comment. Wishing you the best riding brother.

[@cpandsooz]

So so helpful thank you.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you Chris. We really appreciate that.

[@patrickswygert3323]

Picking up a never-ridden 2019 system six tonight after watching your video and how much fun you had on it. Can’t wait to get it on the road...

[@ingguidesmedia]

Congrats Patrick. I’ve got a feeling you’re gonna find out I wasn’t acting.

[@Turbo329]

I also bought a 2019 leftover and love it. How are you liking yours so far?

[@patrickswygert3323]

@@Turbo329 Sorry for late reply... Overall, I love it. A little maintenance-intensive but it's a bit like my Dad's late 70s 911 when I was a kid -- when it's right, it's so good... May invest in a supersix as a "workhorse", everyday steed. But, the system is so much fun. You thoughts?

[@patrickswygert3323]

@@ingguidesmedia Your comments about how hard it is to not go all out on the system are spot on. It wants to go FAST! Very fun, but at my age, requires restraint. Kudos for a very accurate review. Keep 'em coming!

[@lombardy3274]

production quality on this review was top notch.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Lom Bardy Thank you. Stay tuned, we’re taking our shot quality to the next level. You’ll notice it in 2 reviews currently in production, SuperSix 2020, and BMC slr01.

[@jf4689]

Incredible well done! Everything from footage to knowledge to editing to content is extremely professional and flows well. I learned a bunch, will remember the BERP & GLW acronyms, and can't wait to share this video. Brilliant! Brilliant! Brilliant! I do have a question. Towards the end you mention the Hi-Mod carbon layout which I thought had more thin carbon layers on it than the non Hi-Mod, which would add weight, but you said it has less carbon. Could you explain that a little more? Also, is Cannondale no longer putting the HM emblem on their bikes on the fork & seat stay?

[@ingguidesmedia]

Well, I must say this is an incredibly well written comment JF. Haha!!! Seriously though, thank you so much for your good words. We were hoping someone would appreciate the Berp and Glow framework. Since we made the video, I've personally been using it all the time now when I ride. To your question. Brother, I wish I had a better answer for you. It's been hard to speak with anyone at C-dale since the virus thing, so I don't have any inside info on the badging. I do seem to recall all the Systems using High Modulus layup. The high modulus carbon is inherently stiffer (after resin application) than the ballistec carbon. So to achieve the same stiffness profile for a given bike, more ballistec carbon material is required in the layup vs the high modulus carbon. The materials are similar weight, but you have to use more ballistec so it weighs more, but the bikes have the same stiffness. I'm not sure on the numbers of layers for either layup.

[@HideY83]

Great video. Considering the supersix myself and enlightening to see where it lands on the continum of bikes compared to my allez sprint (shorter wheelbase, steeper head tube, shorter stack)

[@SubaruProduction]

awsome video! thats how a bike review should be!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Hey, thanks!

[@DaveCM]

I have a 2019 SuperSix. Sometimes I think about getting a new bike. (Mine does have disc brakes and SRAM Red Etap.) Mostly so I can just get an updated frame. But, I will go to the mountains and the bike just absolutely rails. I get my weight back a little to brake hard, get low in the front, and it just carves the corners. During the Boone Gran Fondo, I was always at front with just a small handful of people at the bottom of the descents. So, I just keep my bike longer. I cannot imagine a new one being really much better except for aerodynamics. I do think the best people for the SuperSix are people like me who do long days on a bike and like to do a lot of climbing when they get the chance. The geometry being a little more forgiving would be best. I tend to make more mistakes as I get very fatigued and I think most people do. The SuperSix wouldn't require someone to be as alert and focused as the SystemSix would. Or they could be like me. I am trying to figure out how to get the SystemSix and keep my SuperSix. It will have to wait a bit as I just bought the SuperSix CX for my new gravel bike. The paint on the bike is stunning and it is absolutely amazing.

[@zacc1602]

Most informative video haha very clear Thank you for sharing this is 2yrs ago This is a similar situation in my case The bike shop allowed me to test ride both bikes the aero was slightly hi price The endurance one was fit in my low budget, I ended up getting endurance First impression the aero was more efficient at first but just a little bit regret But now I realize i was right in my decision confirm w this video

[@creatorex1]

Waiting for your in depth and detailed supersix evo neo review. I purchased I 2021 supersix evo neo 1 and still waiting delivery so I'd like to know in detail about the bike and male system. This vid is very professional and is a whole Bible about bike purchase decision in base to bike design. Good job. I own a fsi team and a Cannondale supersix... A turbo levo and the pending to receive supersix evo neo 1...

[@ingguidesmedia]

Creatorex Thank you for the kind words. Work on SSEvo Neo review is on going. SSEvo as well. We’ve got a few more shoots, and then we’ll start assembling the final product. Big complicated video and we want to do it justice. Meanwhile we have some Evo Neo pieces on the channel you can check out. You’ve got some great bikes. The Turbo Levo is sweet. We have a video of that on the channel too.

[@najhanazman2361]

Im gonna buy either one of this. After watching your video ill stick to that If you re 40 year and above System Six is better. Yes next year im 40 so now the choice is either Ultegra or Hi-mode Di2 System Six. So far this is the best and 'look honest' review for compare and contrast Cannondale bike between SSEVO Vs SSix. You re nailed it😁

[@fallisland1703]

Very informative and easy to understand even for non English native Incredible!

[@ingguidesmedia]

fall island Thank you!

[@fatherchristmas2998]

very good video

[@Yeowie80]

Greeting from Liverpool, England. I’ve watched this a few times as I was looking to find out more about the SuperSix before I purchased it and came across your video, you helped make my decision easy in the end as I was looking for a good all round bike with some aero gains. I feel the supersix hits the sweet spot for my type of riding and I just love the design. Great informative video, amazing location too. Thanks for the video! I have the 105 version but am wondering if aero wheels will be a good upgrade to consider in the future. Would love to see a comparison video between climbing wheels and 40 or 50mm aero wheels on this bike for hilly all day rides.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Great to hear. Glad to have helped out. Thanks!

[@allezsport11]

Hi thank you for the video I ended up doing a similar analysis myself over a 2020 supersix evo 105 vs 2018 supersix evo himod ultegra - the high mod won a awesome machine

[@ingguidesmedia]

Jack Lilley Thanks JL. If your analysis is on KZbin link it here and we’ll watch it.

[@michaelobrienpelotoncoaching]

I sneeze 3 watts - awesome sauce Jack

[@oneschance]

Your channel is about to blow up.

[@ingguidesmedia]

That'd be nice. Thx

[@rameyy7694]

Hey Jack, awesome video, well done. The previous generation SuperSix Evo I used to ride was a great Crit only bike, moved away for the same exact reason you didn't go with the SystemSix on the maneuverability scale. The Italians in particular seem to have that balance dialed in for explosion acceleration, stiff to go fast racy geometry and stable enough to race long Grand tour events....hope we have a chance to do another comparison video in the future together.

[@arthur4466]

Do you have a specific Italian brand/model in mind ?

[@ingguidesmedia]

More comparisons in the works brother.

[@rzp_nyc]

Really enjoyed the video and feel like I learned a lot. I already have a Synapse (with Di2) and want to add a faster road bike in the future. This made me think about what I enjoy about my current bike and what I'd be getting with a more aero bike. I do wonder if the similarities between the Synapse and Super Six make the System Six a better option for something new.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thanks RP, much appreciated. System would be a greater difference than SuperSix. Personally, I'd go System if I already had a Synapse. Good thing is all 3 are good equipment. You might want to watch our latest review (see link). Very nice bike. Jack kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4ipmWeAipaXjtk

[@arvinthth]

This is the most comprehensive review video ever! Wish you can do the same for the venge vs tarmac (eventhough the sl7 is launched)

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you. I like your thinking. I’ll put in a call to see if we can get those bikes. I’m really curious to see just how good that sl7 is. No promises, but it’s on our radar.

[@arvinthth]

IngGuidesLife looking forward to the review. I believe the Tarmac sl7 should sit between the Tarmac sl6 and the Venge in the stability and the maneuverability line

[@ken7514]

Give this man an Oscar!!!

[@danielgazzelloni7258]

Amazing smooth roads you have!

[@ingguidesmedia]

All the better to Enjoy Life More.

[@danielgazzelloni7258]

@@ingguidesmedia ...Of course! Hope all is well (new follower to your channel)

[@ammomaximus]

What a great review video man. I really love about how you have singlehandedly explained all I need to know in choosing a bike. I think I would choose supersix evo myself as I am looking more towards stability, comfort and all rounder bike that can go fast on flats and hills and also suitable for long century rides. I love going up the hills/mountains and go for long rides. But may I know have you tried the CAAD13? As far as I know their geometry is basically the same but the difference is of course weight and stiffness. How would the difference would effect your choice between those two bikes if you don't care about either alu or carbon. Again thanks for the comprehensive video bro.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Aizat Mokhtar Thank you for the kind words. I haven’t ridden the CAAD13, but I’ve seen many glowing reviews. From what I can tell, it’s a great bike and a tremendous value. The carbon layup of the SSEVO makes it a highly refined race bike. You’re gonna take a bigger hit when you ride over broken pavement. Small price to pay for all the cash you could save. I’d definitely check it out if you bike shopping.

[@ammomaximus]

@@ingguidesmedia Hey bro. I'm back at your channel. Loving your Ask Jack Show updates. Just wanna update after reading all of the reviews, asking comments from friends, coming back to your video and doing some soul searching what bike would suit my soul, I finally decided to buy a Supersix Evo Hi-Mod 2015 Sagan edition. The reviews mentioned a very all rounder bike with great performance without sacrificing comfort. Well I know in reality Hi-Mod frames would be much more stiffer thus will take a bigger hit like u said. But I guess at my age, 32 I think I should sacrifice that and focus more on better performance rather than comfort. If not now, then when am I right? haha. Also, I got this new old stock frameset at a really good price at 1.6k USD (converted) with lifetime warranty from Singapore, which is one of the reason why I chose this frame. By the way, do you have any thoughts on how can I make this bike more compliant? I guess it should be from the height of the spacer from the handlebar, it's reach/drop and stem length? What about the seat post material and type of saddle. How do you choose your saddle? Do appreciate your comments. Thanks.

[@fhowland]

That’s so funny.. I was thinking, those roads look like Mass.. and they were!

[@emigrabass]

GCN could do some study on this video! MASTERPIECE! I've picked the System Six as I've owned Super Six Evo and CAAD12, so needed something different. I couldnt make better choice really! WHATTA MACHINE! Great video!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thanks much for that comment PW. We really appreciate the good words. You've had some great bikes, and picked another one. Wishing you the best riding. Jack

[@emigrabass]

@@ingguidesmedia Hey Jack! I've watched it few times. Really, really well produced video! I like the fact Your taste is bouncing between the bikes! Also details and some of the topics You've covered up there were great! Especially part about the right motor and and chassis, as there is still lots of weight weenies who thinks that sub 6.8 bike will be the best no matter what, but is it always the case? I mean there are very few such a good videos with the decission left to be made by customer! Also there was no such a thing as proving everyone that particular bike is a thing that you must have. Im actually thinking to buy Synapse or new Evo in the future as I have now two very aggressive bikes and need something more reliable. How is Your Evo doing? I've been offered to get exactly the same model instead of my System6. Do you think etap/di2 is the way to go or mechanical is still good (I've got not much exerience with electronic gears) Ps. Here is my rocket! drive.google.com/file/d/1A2HjsxbW89uyrBPzjn3fVEuzFv4koZCI/view?usp=drivesdk Cheers from Ireland and Poland ;)

[@ingguidesmedia]

Pawel Kuczyński WOW!!! That bike is stunning. Nice work dressing it out. The new Synapse is very well done. Great machines that are a pleasure to ride. I’m loving the Evo. I didn’t understand how good it was until I rode it for a couple months. Very forgiving, but racy if you push it. Electronic gears all the way. I resisted e-gears, but once I had them on a bike, I couldn’t go back. SRAM blips or Shimano climbing switch is now a must have for me. I’m covering all that in our soon to be released “How to Setup A Bike: SuoerSix Evo 2020 Review”. Thanks for the great comments. We love hearing how people setup there stuff, and use it. Jack

[@klausklaus2119]

@@emigrabass Hey Emig, I am struggling to decide between the SystemSix and SuperSix... My concern is that the SystemSix is too "difficult" to drive over 3+ hours, as holding a straight line seems pretty complicated and bumpy roads can be felt directly through the frame into the body. What is your experience with the SystemSix? It would be nice to hear your opinion as you own the bike! Thx in advance!

[@emigrabass]

@@klausklaus2119 hey Man! I owned 2016 Evo which was fantastic. System six is in fact different breed. But I've done 215 km spin in 7hd38min and I felt I could easily go further. Also took if with me to Tenerife and climbed the longedst climb in Europe. This one was harder mainly because I wasn't prepared fof it at all, bjt I've still made it. System Six gives me that edge, feels fast, maybe not as aggressive and comfy as Evo, but I absolutely loving it!!! :)

[@benjamintribble129]

Rider up, SUP BROTHA

[@JTChi]

You are making cycling sounds so sexy !!!!! Thank you. I’ll be much more in tune now with my bike when riding it

[@ingguidesmedia]

Janet Tan Thanks Janet! We’re wishing you great riding.

[@user-nu5fx6en9h]

I bought the supersix evo cuz where I live have a lot of hill climb, I want better stability and able to be comfortable for long chill ride. If only I have some extra cash I would get the systemsix too 😝 Great video btw super details !

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thanks brother. You made an excellent choice. But I’m in same boat. I’m saving up for a System myself.

[@req110]

Nice review. I've had SystemSix Hi-Mod 56cm, in this black/yellow color on knot64, gp5kTL28, on my Sram Red Etap, power2max with SI cranks, weight 8kg sold the frameset and some parts, and bought SuperSix Evo Hi-Mod Rapha EF replica 54cm, with intention to make optimal aero/lightweight bike, put Sram Red Etap, SISL2 (with 4iiii) cranks and bought Roval CLX 50mm (Pzero Race TLR), put Farsports F1 handlebar, and i am on 6.8kg including speedplays, computer mount, radar mount, bottle cages. Here are some reasons: - 1.2kg weight difference is noticable for me as i am still partially a weight weenie - supersix (in 54cm) with 50mm wheels is more pleasing to eye than 56cm systemsix - supersix is softer and more stable - supersix has bigger tire clearance, i am planning to use some knobby 32mm tires for winter - i hated the black/yellow colour on that systemsix. Would i do it all again? Probably no, it was too many ebay transactions, buying selling, etc... If i have the systemsix again, i would - ditch those knot64, and build some wheelset under 1500g, save 200g - ditch power2max and buy SI or SISL2 with left side power meter, save 150g - ditch that knot cockpit, that is 600g, and buy either vision metron or farsports f1, save ~250g - boom, maximum 7.4kg and that is acceptable! If i don't have any bike and have to build new bike, i would probably build the Supersix as i have.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Great points! I basically followed your last points to the letter, but with the Super Six. Review in the works.

[@req110]

bianchi1885 good idea. But I am addicted to pro stuff. 😃

[@zoso73]

As an alternative to the SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod Ultegra Di2 (MSRP $7,500), save $4,700 by purchasing a CAAD13 disc Ultegra (MSRP $2,800), ditch the stock wheels, spend $2K of the $4,700 saved and add on a pair of Campag Bora WTO 60s. Result? A faster, stiffer, almost as comfy, more responsive, and cheaper machine than the SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod. Put the $2,700K saved into your bank account.

[@zoso73]

@@req110 Me too. I just sold my SuperSix EVO Hi-Mod and kept my CAAD12 (I upgraded to Campy Super Record EPS + Fulcrum Speed 40s, all rim brake so super-light bike than anything with disc). The SuperSix was fine but head-to-head with the CAAD12 after a year of riding both, the CAAD12 was consistently the racier, stiffer, more lively bike. EDIT: I am glad you ditched the Knot wheels. They're fine, but not sexy and too heavy to be on the Hi-Mod.

[@ingguidesmedia]

bianchi1885 Not a bad plan at all. I haven’t ridden one but I’ve heard glowing reviews of the new CAAD. Would also love to try out that Campy stuff. Having said that, I’m really liking the SRAM wireless. Pricey but cool. You’ve got an eye for value. Really appreciate your comments. Thx, Jack

[@Thomas-fy9yc]

As a Supersix owner, I know the same problem. I like to go fast, but not just over training , but also riding the bike faster than what’s probably safe on dirty winter roads littered with pine cones, mud, and twigs. That why I actually switch to a Topstone with 40c tires for non club rides. Larger tires, more comfortable, slower top speeds, and ability to hit debris without blowing a tire.

[@daanhilbers764]

Great video, really nice comperesion. I want to be a bike next year and it will be one of these two. But I have a question. How is the complains on bad road on the systemsix? Because I couldn’t really care about the extra weight but I wanted to ride it allways and some races are on bad terrain.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thanks Dean. The System has good compliance. My previous bike was an aero bike, Storck Aerfast, which was considerably more harsh on bad pavement. What’s going to beat you up on the System is the steering response. The SuperSix being more compliant and having more inherent stability will help you preserve your energy on longer/rougher rides, IMHO. I hope that helps. Jack

[@chrisgilligan4968]

Hey Daan - as mentioned in another comment I recently picked up the SystemSix. I've put about 1000km (625 miles) on it and I haven't a single complaint about the comfort of this bike. I am running 25's on it which spread to around 28 due to the rim width. I haven't gone tubeless yet - but I did swap out the regular tubes for some latex tubes. Tubeless would likely be even more comfortable because you run much lower pressure. Would be great if everyone got a 7 day test ride with both bikes to make up our minds...but that just isn't possible. There are a ton of great bikes out there - these 2 are both great choices - but Canyon has some great bikes, Giant has the new 2021 models coming soon (on a plus the mid level and up Giant bikes come with fully functional power meters), Trek, Specialized, Cervelo....and of course all the European manufacturers have some great bikes as well - but they tend to drain the wallet a little more for similar level bikes.

[@dennismarien5244]

Amazing video! Thanks so much for uploading! Actually in the middle of choosing a bike myself as a 40+ guy and from what I understood from my bikefitter is that an aero bike, maybe is not just my thing anymore...flexibility and all that. But on the other hand, I do agree on your point on the acceleration. It makes you feel young again to just know that the geometry and stiffness of the bike gives you just a whiff of that old explosiveness back. One thing I consider important - and this may sound extremely stupid - is the sound the bike makes: that systemsix just "howls" and "squeels" along so beautifully, certainly when accelerating! There's just something about an aero bike with deep rims hitting 30miles per hour + on a nice smooth pavement ;-) Oh well...the choice between klinging on to "days of distant past" or "committing to comfort"...maybe it simply boils down to ego? Love the video! One of the best of many I've been seeing lately!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Dennis Mariën DM I think your thoughtfulness on this decision will serve you well. I’m not a fitter, but I can’t see how the System would be a problem with fit. I’d get that bike on the larger size (I’m between 54 and 56) for me, whereas I went smaller w the SuperSix. If larger, you’ll have less seat post out, and can keep the steerer tube long. My issue with the System was always having to bar check the front wheel. I also wanted to get off of it around 3 hours. I can ride the SuperSix all day. Either way, you’ll have a great bike. Best, Jack PS - thanks so much for the good words. We appreciate it, a lot.

[@dennismarien5244]

IngGuidesLife a bit similar to your conclusions...always listen to the guys with experience, final choice was the Tarmac SL7. Looking at the combination between compliance and aero this machine offers, your input and my struggle was certainly not isolated! And all good on the sound and speed department too after trading the roval 38 for the 50 version. Happy little camper! Massive thanks again!

[@ingguidesmedia]

Dennis Mariën very glad we could help. I’m hearing very good things about the sl7. Sounds like you got a great bike. I need to ride one ASAP. Thanks for the update.

[@brody5211]

Excellent video - I’m 50/50 on systemsix or 3t strada .

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you Brody. I haven't ridden a 3t Strada, but I've seen a few. Very interesting bicycle. I'll have to ride one asap. For me, it would have to be one amazing bike to beat out the System. Perhaps it is, IDK. I will never criticize another person for buying the bike they like. Haha!!! Especially if I haven't ridden one myself. Anyway, I hope our little video helps with your decision in some small way. Wishing you the best riding Brody. Jack

[@raycoxphoto]

Know a rider from the Aqua Blue team from back in the day and he hated the 3T. Just saying. The Dale's are amazing and the service is good.

[@dwightforeman1258]

Hi Jack, where did you purchase your six evo from. In Louisiana no one has one in stock, and they don't seem to be their primary brand. This was true before CV 19. I am going to have a bike fit done, so am I going to have take my data from that and pick a size? I am going with 105 carbon. I don't need discs down here. Please add any thoughhts. Your channel is very informative. Thanks, Dwight

[@ingguidesmedia]

Hey Dwight. Thanks for your good words. I purchased my last 4 or 5 bikes from Papa Wheelies in Natick, MA. From what I’m seeing all shops are suffering inventory problems. Seems to be supply chain issues from COVID. I can’t think of anything to add, as you seem to have your needs/wants dialed in. Just wishing you the best at this point. Jack

[@DefinedImagery]

An excellent video I think it's the best review of the two bikes on KZbin...It will be good if you do the same review on the 2021 version Hi-Mod which is a different carbon type. I will be buying the SystemSix because they are not much between the two I just like the look of the SystemSix better and looks a lot more aggressive...I am coming from a Scott team issue Foil 2015 I think it has 35% of the comfort of those two. Anyways nice video good knowledge

[@klausklaus2119]

How is the comfort of the systemsix? Is it really that hard and does the center wheels in the front make it really hard to controll the systemsix? Thinking abour buying the systemsix. Thx in advance!

[@DefinedImagery]

@@klausklaus2119 The comfort is good now I have changed to the gp5000 handling has always been spot on...But I guess it's down to personal feel and what you call comfort

[@Naegling23]

I ended up with the supersix etap after testing both of these bikes. I agree with almost all the comments in the review, the systemsix is fast, snappy, and a load of fun. What drove me to the supersix though is the crosswind. The systemsix acted like a sail on my windy test ride and I struggled to hold a straight line when the wind was at my side. Just wondering if you felt the same thing.

[@ingguidesmedia]

Hey Josh, you got a great bike friend. I’m loving mine more each time I ride it. My hunch on the crosswind instability is that the System is inherently less stable to begin with (in a good way). So when those 64mm wheels catch some side wind you feel it more. I’m running 64mm wheels on the SSEvo, and went thru some heavy side gusts yesterday without noticing handling issues. All the best riding Josh!!! Jack

[@crack0n]

@48:50 I just switched form a carbon roadbike to a steel cyclocross frame XD...super duper fun....

[@orestissophocleous8846]

Awesome video, mate! Did you consider the hi-mod at all as part of your decision? And if so, why did you not opt for it?

[@ingguidesmedia]

Orestis Sophocleous Thanks OS. Not really. Same stiffness hi-mod/ballistic and a half pound doesn’t matter to me. I was more interested in the eTap AXS group.

[@dospark4244]

Currently, I'm on the Madone slr. In two months, I'll replaced it with System Six. I'm quite into it.

[@ingguidesmedia]

How do you like the Madone? I had a 2005 model and loved it. There current models look sharp, but I haven’t ridden one yet. Jack

[@dospark4244]

As you heard, apparently, it's bit(?) heavy. But actual riding feels quite light. That's the major impression on it, suprisingly. Useless to speak about the design, just awesome. 56 size.(under this size, well....I'm not sure the shape is good or not)

[@klausklaus2119]

@@dospark4244 What is your opinion comparing the madone (more comfort?) to the systemsix (harder to drive over 3+ hours)? It would be amazing to hear your opinion, as you drove both bikes! Thinking about buying the systemsix, but I am scared that it is to hard and difficult to drive and stabalize

[@RH-vd3yu]

Seriously tho your the reason why i wanna get a Cannondale

[@ingguidesmedia]

R H We’ve got a new review coming out in a week, that might have you wanting to ride BMC. That Teammachine SLR01 is bananas.

[@joe_klinedinst]

Would you mind sharing your height. I’m looking at the Supersix Evo. I’m 5’9 and torn between 51 and 54

[@danielobrien319]

Such a useful video - thanks so much for making. Both bikes and the scenery look beautiful. Think I’m still going Supersix, but worry I’m being conservative.....from Jersey, UK

[@ingguidesmedia]

Thank you so much for that Daniel. Means a lot to us. I was kicking myself for weeks for not choosing the System. Fantastic bike that’s a real hoot to ride. As time has passed, I realize I made the right choice. The SuperSix Evo is a highly refined road race bike - solid smooth and agile. For me, with only having one race bike, the straight tracking, mild manners, and suspended ride means a can focus on finding that elusive flow state, instead of constantly hot rodding around. Haha! Maybe I’m just old, but I really appreciate a more refined machine. I’m sure you’ll make the best decision for you. I’m just happy to know maybe we made it a little easier for you with our video. All the best brother.

[@danielobrien319]

IngGuidesLife sorry for the delay and stoked to receive your reply. Your videos are super useful and genuine. Agreed on all those points. Just got back from cycling the north coast of Mallorca which was incredible. Hired the Supersix (unfortunately didn’t get to try the Di2 model) and it was awesome....cycling is huge there and was cool seeing all the pro/ex-pro guys out. Saw a couple of Supersix’s and think I’m sold. Keep up the good work!

[@zachnages9015]

Does this come with the pedals?