How To Cancel Down Smash Into Specials - Late Kara Cancel

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Ken Ken Kencel? He Ken!

[@babylonreef]

Ryu also ken

[@owen9517]

Bsd is a part of the klan?! 😳...

[@Aego384]

I'm calling the pun police on you!

[@mannx2_495]

Ow1 *_sTOP_*

[@Porter_Luigi]

Ken you believe these guys! Making Ken puns!

[@StickMaster500]

At this point, Terry’s gonna be asking himself if he’s OK

[@rayqcina4869]

*Me, a Terry player:* (sweats profusely)

[@willyboi1389]

It’s been so long since I’ve seen you, I am so happy

[@sonpham3438]

Willyboi!! Now we need justin Y. to revive

[@AnActuallyUsefulGoddess]

@@sonpham3438 please no

[@Radar_of_the_Stars]

The fighting game characters are legit playing a different game at this point

[@YounesLayachi]

So is bayonetta

[@dearyou6846]

Younes Layachi no, she virtually has a typical special set. Shotos on the other hand have two OTHER set of moves (attack AND specials)

[@end3594]

You know it

[@KinfolkGaming]

As they should be, good character design imo

[@dearyou6846]

e-Ah-gO obviously in the idea it’s the best thing to keep it unique but in a competitive FG it’s the worst thing

[@jadegreenknight6700]

The 5 frames are still longer than the flavor of fruit striped gum

[@peep9636]

Jacques Anderson lol

[@rippfrs]

Juicy Fruit Agrees

[@AnActuallyUsefulGoddess]

😂 bruh

[@nocturn333]

Using gum to time your inputs.

[@danbee6407]

Lmfao. The God damn zebra gum. The nostalgia is real, ty :P

[@kobotics227]

People: late kara cancel is just a glitch. It will get patched out The shotos now: i dont have such weaknesses

[@sapphiredagon]

If anyone is wondering if this still works in 13.0.1, yes. And as a non-Shoto main, it's hard to do, but I have had some luck in 2/3 speed on Training

[@mr_trollmaster_7]

Still works

[@JonahBoing]

As a Ryu main, I approve this message

[@screweduptx512]

We all do !!! The buff Gods finally blessed us!!

[@spinethrasher5371]

Yo I think I found you online. Same tag, but you were playing hero

[@JonahBoing]

Spine Thrasher yes actually

[@ajhintleman215]

W00t Ken Ryu main here xD

[@thewolfman5362]

Same.

[@jackflorimbio8540]

I hope they don't patch this. This makes Ken and Ryu much more interesting to face and improves their ability to cover ledge.

[@Zero-gl2ou]

counters are their weakness.

[@theexaltedlt8222]

@@Zero-gl2ou Actually they can focus past counters

[@samuelartillo8354]

Agreed

[@baltharaaz9847]

@@Zero-gl2ou If you hit a counter with a cancelable normal, you can beat, to my knowledge, every single counter in the game by inputting True Shoryuken on reaction other than King K. Rool (3 frame counter attack when it activates). This is because the fastest counters after K. Rool's are all 4 frames, and Shoryuken possesses full body intangibility frames 4-6 (the frames before and during the very start of the attack). Every counter gets blown up.

[@videogameadventure]

I hope that they don’t patch it myself. They are pretty much a combo eccentric characters.

[@leafostuff]

Wow, a beefy smash doods video that not a smash review

[@princedemo9291]

roi dor finally

[@StarmenRock]

@@dan78789 the last 30 ones were so unenthusiastic they might as well just be regular reaction videos. And we all know how much that kinda shit sucks

[@samuelartillo8354]

I'm happy too

[@Foofoothegoon]

This is the shit I'm subscribed for.

[@chikichikiu]

FINALLY

[@apurpledragon]

I honestly wouldn't mind if they kept this in. It really works for how Ryu and Ken play, and it would lead to some interesting mix ups.

[@sirquags]

Well lucky for you, they did.

[@boiboi5402]

@@sirquags you got any tips on how to do it more consistently?

[@meeachael627]

@@boiboi5402 fast as you possibly can

[@equinox-XVI]

@@boiboi5402 Start with the charging method in training mode at 2/3 speed. Anything slower will make you get used to a slower timing that will actually throw you off. Once you got 2/3 speed semi-consistent, you can move up to full speed. Focus mainly on canceling into tatsu and hadouken. Those are the useful and consistent ones. All the others are either too inconsistent or have such minimal effect, it's not worth trying. Edit: Also, I say consitent a lot, but "consistent" for this tech is only about 1/2 or 1/3 of the time. So don't beat yourself up if you miss it a few times.

[@realchezboi]

@@boiboi5402 Practice, over and over and over, muscle memory

[@stubbornwentmissing]

what's assumed to be one of the last patches for ultimate drops soon (13.0.1) and this still has yet to be patched, very glad whatever sequence of events that led to this staying in occurred

[@BiggestSniff]

oh shit, an actual fighting game mechanic

[@cupcakeluv25]

so glad they got to keep it

[@screweduptx512]

That fast tastumaki is making me drool

[@mustaphadean]

Sakurai: can we add street fighter characters? Ryu: *SURE-YOU-CAN!!*

[@rsleepy255]

like 3rd strike just pre-input

[@Dannyboyyay]

The video is not entirely correct! While holding A, the game will NOT REGISTER DOWN INPUTS for true inputs. Meaning you have to hold down for at least ONE frame after letting go of A. You can see this if you try to input late kara shoryu in frame by frame mode in training mode. The input is hold dsmash, forward, down, let go of A, hold down for an additional frame then down-forward +b.

[@OfficialNinjaSkillz]

I’m scared of Ryu and Ken now

[@nixuniverse5240]

You weren’t scared of them before ?

[@cheeze1t256]

This isn't usefull at almost any point

[@zacharybreen8891]

@@cheeze1t256 how is faster tatsu not usefull

[@karlcossaboon7072]

Good You should've already been They were already mad good Dair, hard jab, shoryu: true, so easy to do even I can do it ( I dont play the character), and does 50%, kills at around like 40 with ken, 70 with ryu ( his shoryu doesnt drag you upwards ), Then they have much more complex combos that can basically just kill you off of one aerial

[@videogameadventure]

Obsolete Excellence What to be scared about? It makes them even more interesting to fight against. 😈

[@christopherweber4183]

I can say that this still works as of 2022

[@yurr7408]

hope it doesnt get patched out. Looks to only add more variety to high level play

[@baltharaaz9847]

I imagine this is cause by the kara cancel already in the game being coded to occur during certain frames of the attack. Down smash is extremely fast on Ryu and Ken (frame 5), so I imagine Nintendo coded it so that you may cancel at any frame at or before the hitbox comes out to prevent a misinput down smash, but something else pertaining to allowing dsmash to be cancelable must've happened to let it occur later in the animation or even after charging.

[@tkrewz]

As a ken main. I approve this message

[@mustaphadean]

Ryu is better than ken

[@SPZ-gv2on]

@@mustaphadean That is proven to be untrue. Ken has a full 10% higher tournament win percentage. He has stronger, faster, and more consistant combos. The difference isn't enormous but Ken>ryu.

[@hyliandoctor]

Ken's always been better than Ryu. In every game they've been in together besides SF1 and vanilla SF2 (they were just palette swaps then, so it doesn't count.)

[@corvax8644]

since its difficult to do, nintendo should leave it in. Its not really spammable and will just get downgraded into just another thing to watch out for in a few months

[@thunderbee]

Considering how Hands-off Nintendo has been with the nerfs in this game I wouldn't be surprised if they something cool like this in the game.

[@jebaena91]

has anyone notice that in the last patch they didn´t patch it :) we could say that this is a new feature once and for all

[@TheTrickmeister]

jebaena91 i was looking for this type of comment. Yeah, I'm so glad it's still in. It's very fun to do

[@plumsweater7947]

Great video guys. Let's hope this tech stays in the game for more than a few days. I'd love to see more plays using it.

[@badgiefplaysbadly1362]

You can also Kara-cancel their other cancellable moves, such as aerials and light tilts (though not heavies). This could technically be done pre-patch but only in specific circumstances; now it works more generally. Though they have no real use and the timing is particularly strict.

[@SystemEV]

I'm glad I practice the 5 frame version of this. It took time but I'm glad my first main ever has something cool

[@b4ttlemast0r]

they should keep this in the game

[@holidayoreoreal]

Yes!! It’s been so long since a tech video I’m so happy

[@julianburchard6049]

I don't even play the shotos but I love these videos

[@MrEluiscool]

I really enjoy these tutorial this is what made me subscribe to your Channel years ago keep it up guys you have one of the best tutorial out there

[@Z-1225]

The fact that they haven't patched this means Shotos have even more tech that other characters don't 👀 That's wack

[@James-wd9ib]

Imagine if you were playing Street Fighter V and Ryu suddenly pulls shit like this

[@helloimvon]

i mean kara cancels were a thing since street fighter 2

[@ShinTh0r]

I’m a firm believer that the Up smash should have gotten the change instead of down smash because in almost all games Ryu and Ken are in, their crouching heavy punch (what up Smash is based off of) always canceled into specials while crouching heavy kick (d. Smash) canceling into specials was only in very few games.

[@machitoons]

They even added negative edge inputs. (you can hold A, do the directional input and then let go off A to do the true input special)

[@AlainReyes]

That has been in since Ryu joined smash 4 but yeah it's in the game

[@japanfornia7506]

Damn im a Ken main, this means a lot

[@screweduptx512]

I'm a happy Ryu and Ken main

[@hazzydahaka13]

5:02 Oh Hello ledge getup option select.

[@PotatoSoupThe64th]

They're probably gonna patch this in like a week

[@nixuniverse5240]

I hope not. Character specific tech is always a good thing. Also, since it’s a 5 Frame window, you won’t ever really see this unless it’s in a Yeet / Dragon Smash videos.

[@Neon-yj9xw]

Counter point, it's clearly intentional since you can only use command input specials. If we could kara focus, then it would be a legitimate issue

[@KingKayEyeDee]

@@nixuniverse5240 5 frames isn't that long. It's longer than the shorthop window

[@HiragaSaitoZero]

They didnt patch de Isabelle's Infinite so...

[@IAm-zo1bo]

@@HiragaSaitoZero that's because they are stupid and don't see the issues

[@GameMasterWLC]

I want it to stay! It's so cool!

[@MeesterTweester]

I like the acceptance that a tech well get patched out this time

[@danielcain8136]

It Will be interesting If nintendo actually kept it instead patching it out

[@DSmith3279]

I have a question, can Kirby kara cancel with their copy abilities?

[@CCuppy29]

Dimitri Smith well Kirby can’t cancel normals into hadouken so that’s most likely gonna be a no, but somebody should test it out to make sure

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Dimitri Smith I went into training right away to try this. Sadly he cannot kara cancel (even though he does have true input neutral special after absorbing shotos)! :P

[@elliotfiske9330]

Poyo cancel

[@tyer6496]

@@elliotfiske9330 beautiful

[@mamertvonn]

I didn't know smash had kara-canceling lmao. Nice Tech

[@Galaxia_EX]

Glad to see the Beefy Tech Doods are back

[@youraveragekaleb]

Late, but in my experience, doing the input before letting go of the downsmash helps out a lot. In the past I tried doing the input and pressing b at the same time after the down smash

[@bionic8725]

This would be a good way for input practice!

[@Xeturnal-Nova]

Since I commented I've gotten good at the late kara canceling method and is good easy mixups

[@kisameh420]

This game is over a year old and i still don’t know the inputs for these characters 😔

[@JessDenhul]

It’s honestly not as hard as it looks. When you see “down, down-back, back” or “quarter-circle back” it might be a lil weird. Maybe if you can find a video or something where you can see the movements, it could be of use.

[@hyliandoctor]

Literally, just roll your stick around. The input visualizations are right there. Do that. Not getting it? Do it faster.

[@kfoley275]

Pro tip: You can do true shoryuken by inputting forward then true hadoken after

[@ryanduty4237]

What if this was intentional? That would actually be really cool and make the shoto's in general more viable in this meta. I hope it was intentional even though I am not a shoto main because it would help the depth of this char go further.

[@l1stedv0ice59]

Fun fact it hasn't been patched out

[@ShinyMemlek]

Street Fighter is famous to have unintended *features*

[@lefthandrule638]

SF2 was legit the first fighter to come up with combos, and it was accidental. Nowadays combos are an essential part of fighters.

[@ShinyMemlek]

@@lefthandrule638 i know, that's the joke

[@lefthandrule638]

Just noting it because it’s not a widely known fact

[@ponk325]

Really hoping someone makes like a 'Melee style' Ultimate where all the broken stuff that gets patched out comes back

[@knave6257]

Damn, 5 frames is pretty short, but if you ken do it, it makes the SF bois real terryfying. So, d’yall think I ken do it?

[@TheDriver458]

Chaos Dragon Lord shoryuken

[@jonnyleonardo1782]

Yeah! 👍🏻

[@AHGavInDaUSA]

Chaos Dragon Lord terryfying

[@alathreon8315]

So for the next patch : Fix Down Smash Late Kara Cancel Fix Shulk immunity to Byleth's up-B

[@rayminishi689]

I find it hard to believe its a glitch because its mentioned in the patch notes.

[@boomguy2]

Tight inputs? Hee hee hee... *this cannot compare with Naoto dash cancels, fools*

[@lefthandrule638]

_Central Fiction flashbacks_ _hand begins shaking uncontrollably_

[@SDSXellan]

Practice makes perfect to time something new

[@solarshenron]

IM IN DEEP

[@ishotbytim]

I began to main Ken because he played like street fighter now he's playing more like him. Kara cancelling in sfiv is pretty similiar

[@goryn9660]

I hope late kara cancel stay in Smash Ultimate. You can combo Shaku into Late Kara Cancel Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku.

[@xenghuong]

I hope they dont patch this. This is really cool!

[@gg_novastar8492]

After seeing the down smash to side b I jumped

[@domjay]

Tough but I will practice. Where the Ken mains at?!

[@notayoutubechannel256]

We’re in the Discord channel labbing these ever since 7.0.0 released lmao

[@SPZ-gv2on]

Right here. Too busy labbing to even be in discord lol.

[@notayoutubechannel256]

^ this man knows what’s up lol

[@lolomatador5875]

not a youtube channel can you invite me to the discord pls

[@samuelartillo8354]

Ken vs Terry. Who is better?

[@irok1]

Oh hey, I guess I do have a Switch for this now

[@MayaSunfower]

Ryu and Ken in doubles after patch be like: Tasumakisen-TWAH-Duk-shor-kenTUH-yuh-yuh *G t E a T l S k E I R s I c O h S e a p*

[@salj.5459]

You tried

[@MasterofFates]

I'm scared now

[@theshadowspider97]

Do you think the fake up b 0-death Byleth can do on DK will get patched, somehow? It's totally DIable and can be air dodged out, but, knowing the Smash devs, I won't be surprised if they adjust how he gets footstooled by Byleth in a 7.1.0 patch or something.

[@ChillavaKirby]

If it’s not even a thing they’ll probably leave it alone

[@theshadowspider97]

@@ChillavaKirby Eh, there have been other things that weren't exactly broken in Smash, but, they were still patched out.

[@Смешнаясера]

Fun fact: You can input it with side taunt

[@enric01]

how

[@Смешнаясера]

@Eñrico just do the input with the stick and then press side taunt

[@pedrosgamingcorner3920]

But it should work if you release the button though since that's a SF mechanic: releasing the button after holding it counts as an input, that's actually in smash so you just need to do the command on the stick after holding the Smash and then release it at the same time

[@thefatchincat7017]

Kara demon!

[@rene9175]

Oh, I was wondering. I noticed Kara Cancel on accident playing Isabelle, when her dash attack spawned a pot, but then it disappeared as she went for a grab instead. I remember being upset that the pot didn't have a hitbox on its way out. Would've been cool. Aside from that, it'd be cool if Sakurai updated with a new patch saying 'Ryu and Ken's Down smash cancel was an unintended side effect of the changes made last patch. However, seeing the improvements made to the characters, we've tweaked the effect to be more balanced' or something like that.

[@bigpizu]

Ken and Ryu just look like a glitch at this point

[@TheKnightguard1]

Well, glitches are fun, so if that’s what you mean I’m on board!

[@bigpizu]

TheKnightguard1 lol yes

[@jackg6887]

This is an extremely common thing in capcom fighters. If you want a game that looks like a glitch try melee.

[@AsterSea]

Wish my boy Terry could also do this.

[@nomanm.5884]

all you need is jab jab down b and jab jab super special at high %

[@BabuBabu-ip6oh]

He doesn't need this, his entire body is an extended hitbox that is as long as a disjointed sword hitbox.

[@AsterSea]

@@BabuBabu-ip6oh oh no, I never said he needed it. Terry is already amazing. Just wanted to see what kinda crazy bullshit he could pull off with a Kara cancel.

[@SMSELWA]

I mean I don't know how difficult it would be if i didnt play any street fighter games, but if you know how to cancel into a super, thats probably a shorter frame window, so if you can rip a super from a shoryu or something this will be light work lmao

[@antonio701]

Anyone else thinks this glitch fits ken and ryu?

[@vCreez]

1:55 crescent kick roundhouse are possible and easier to do with grab, I never managed to get the A button to work with karma for cancels

What if you have smash stick?

[@3lectronX]

2:48 that's how you do the z motion?!? I've been doing it wrong my whole life

[@hyliandoctor]

You mean rolling your stick down and forward? As long as the inputs are there, you're fine.

[@cordeliafrey9950]

I hope they don't patch this it's so cool

[@rayqcina4869]

I really hope they don't patch this out. Ken and Ryu could be so much better with it. And I don't even use Ryu or Ken. I just think their combo compilations are hype as fuck.

[@chikichikiu]

Do a video on how to use the y link buffs! (z-air combos)

[@angryhaze596]

i get why everyone thinks it's a glitch but i personally don't, it's too convenient and perfect for their characters to have a been a mistake it seems like, and if it was a glitch i'd be more than happy for them to leave it in and i barely play ryu cuz i'm only ok with him, but it would make edgeguarding a lot more fun and mixupable, and literally impossible to escape at this point considering you can cover every option at ledge, which i could understand why people would think is OP, but considering the strict timing i wouldn't at all like i could never do that idk about y'all

[@Xeturnal-Nova]

And not completely packed its still a thing, however anything beyond doing a quarter circle kara cancel is not possible any more like shoryuken and the shakunetsu are not possible any more

[@Xeturnal-Nova]

Actually its still possible however the timing is near impossible

[@screweduptx512]

Did y'all know you could preform inputs with the taunt button too?? Found this out back in smash 4

[@tarodeculture]

Within 5 frames...so that's before the hitbox even comes out...If only it had more active frames it would have become a true whiff cancel, and then we'd be playing a fighting game.

[@regendary582]

Somebody call Ikechi

[@kora2691]

Bruh, now I have carpal tunnel syndrome

[@poyo4205]

Carrot cancel

[@razeboxanimations3215]

🥕

[@NF_Reviews]

Where in the hell did the term "Kara" come from? Sounds kinda cool, but quite abrupt.

[@hyliandoctor]

Kara translates to, "empty" in Japanese, apparently. Karate meaning, "empty hand", and kara cancel meaning, "empty cancel" because you are inputting an attack, but you perform another attack instead, so the first attack comes up empty/without a hitbox.

[@NF_Reviews]

@@hyliandoctor aye, that's actually dope terminology. Thanks for the explanation.

[@hyliandoctor]

@@NF_Reviews no problem, mate.

[@kh0a90]

ok so i wanna main the shotos but if i dont use am i still chilling?

[@cheeher3212]

Kara cancel for edge guarding is so broken.

[@funnyusername4774]

Still not patched lol

[@grady219]

Can you not use negative edge to make the A/B/Z button input easier?

[@DeltaTried]

Can't wait for this to most likely get patched next update.

[@muldrow62]

This is so complicated

[@BeefySmashDoods]

Kevin Muldrow Only at the start :) You pretty much just down smash and immediatelly make the input. The hard part is being fast enough :S

[@jekrixlokan4507]

Does it work when doing true inputs with the side-taunt button? I don't see why I wouldn't

[@punkrockdavid]

I hope I never fight a player who is as good as is required to do this shit. The ledge guarding capacity that this technique has is ridiculous

[@RibiRoo]

I don't think it's a glitch. In Street Fighter 2, you can cancel sweep to specials, so it would make since that this was intentional.