How to check for correct rocker arm geometry

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Myvintageiron7512

Myvintageiron7512

12 жыл бұрын

when building any engine rocker arm

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@SMOBY44
@SMOBY44 8 жыл бұрын
Even after your explanation of it's use and function, "push rod length checker" sounds like a very good name.
@imjeremy51
@imjeremy51 6 жыл бұрын
I have binged probably 100 of your videos over the last month since I discovered your channel and didn't realize you were an instructor until now. Thought you were just randomly gifted with an amazing ability to explain things. Your students are lucky.
@dconeway
@dconeway 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video! I'm changing rockers, lifters, and springs in my lt1 and I was told I was gonna have a problem picking the proper pushrod length and you just made me more confident. I'll be ordering both the tool and the adjustable rod soon. Thanks again!
@herminigildodelacruzjr1752
@herminigildodelacruzjr1752 7 жыл бұрын
dude dont give those basher any attention as far as im concern you are one of the most imformative tech video ive seen keep doing what ur doing and thnx a lot
@vikingmike8139
@vikingmike8139 8 жыл бұрын
You can also use lash caps to correct geometry as well, and lash caps also come in different thicknesses to help some situations. It usually will be one or the other, either the push-rod or lengthening the valve stem. Keep in mind that the lash cap will add weight to the entire valve spring assembly which might not be desirable on a high RPM high performance engine. As a builder one has to consider ALL of the cause and effects of an approach to issues with proper assembly. Some 'builders' make gravitas assumptions that 'parts is parts' and never bother to check EVERY interaction on how to fit the pieces of the puzzle to add up to the sum. A reliable and powerful well running engine. Excellent video and sound advice. Thanks once again.
@mikeward2980
@mikeward2980 6 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial. THANK YOU FOR SHARING YOUR KNOWLEDGE.
@stratdude83
@stratdude83 2 ай бұрын
awesome tool suggestion! just bought one and we'll see how it works...seems much easier thanks!
@lljulezjay
@lljulezjay 10 жыл бұрын
No mas kitty scratches ok....... thanks bro..lol. Very very informative. I have a 79 corvette... motor is from 79 but don't know if it's original to the body of the car. 350 nat. Asper. Mech fuel pump. Blew out #2 LIFTER THREE TIMES... so now I brought a comp cam thumper cam and I'm a fast learner and this is my first restoration job so I got my guts crossed and doing a lot of research so hats off to you and thanks for the lesson teacher. Until next time.
@bigstuff52
@bigstuff52 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing the basics...very informative..
@killaracer346
@killaracer346 7 жыл бұрын
Dude this help me out so much i did what you said and thanks for telling me about the Push Rod Length Checker because turns out my push rods were a little to short so i got new ones and my SBC is running better then ever. Thank you so much
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
Your welcome
@brucebell7623
@brucebell7623 5 жыл бұрын
@@Myvintageiron7512 Sir, can this be used on a Ford engine, 302 heads?
@Mario-zt4lq
@Mario-zt4lq 2 жыл бұрын
@@brucebell7623 @myvintageiron7512 can this tool be used on ford 302 engines? I see they have 2 versions, for 3/8 and 7/16 studs.. but they both say Chevy. I would imagine it would be able to be used on ford’s unless there is a small detail I dont know about?
@Mario-zt4lq
@Mario-zt4lq 2 жыл бұрын
@@Myvintageiron7512 can this be used ford 302 engines?
@TheHandsOnChannel
@TheHandsOnChannel 6 жыл бұрын
I agree they should've called it a rocker/push rod length gauge.
@yogithebear7493
@yogithebear7493 4 ай бұрын
So much information on this channel I almost want to buy your course
@RubinsRacing350
@RubinsRacing350 3 жыл бұрын
The adjustable push rod with the jam nut is the length checker, the plastic rocker arm is for checking the geometry, with just the geometry tool you can verify you have the right or wrong pushrods, but you will need the length checker to verify the pushrod length needed
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 3 жыл бұрын
yep your right I use both
@dextermccoy1016
@dextermccoy1016 3 жыл бұрын
is there a plus and minus tolerance on the push rod length as to being perfect. ?
@KingJT80
@KingJT80 3 жыл бұрын
@@dextermccoy1016 +/- .050? correct me on that
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
The only other consideration is that rocker fulcrum to both-each tip angle varies from manufacturer to manufacturer. Some with 1.6 ratio actually measure 1.8 coming off the seat. That means that the first ,200 of lifter lift the valve is open several thousandths MORE. Open sooner means more area under the curve, more power. Dyno tests have shown 12-20 hp more by changing from one brand 1.6 to another brand 1.6 in back to back tests. Dont forget this tool is set for MOST rockers, not all. David Vizard explains this.
@marsv7777
@marsv7777 12 жыл бұрын
Great info, nice vids you got there , one question, this this tool work with 1.5 and 1.6 ratio's ? Cheers from Australia
@fstarockaburns425
@fstarockaburns425 3 жыл бұрын
thanks for the vid - is that checker used at zero lash/base circle (no lift)?
@fbbc6495
@fbbc6495 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool I was thinking of roller rockers cuzz I have vortec heads on a 010 block and .500 lift.
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
Don't buy inexpensive chinesium rockers Most won't last 2,000 miles with a medium cam. The biggest problems are that the center fulcrum bearing allows wobbles side to side at the tip, AND/OR the tip roller goes to hell really quickly. It's money down the toilet if you do.
@TheHandsOnChannel
@TheHandsOnChannel 6 жыл бұрын
Great vids man. I'm building a 350 2 bolt main, cast crank, and factory style flattop pistons.This is going in a 72 Monte Carlo with th350 factory stall and 273 gears. I'm looking for 330-350hp and lots of low end torque to launch that 4200 lb car. I had the block zero decked and intended on installing vortec heads but I'm worried about my compression being too high (10.41:1) for a daily driver (pump gas) with the 64cc heads. I have a set of 882's that came with the car. They are 76cc and that puts me in the 9.15:1 compression range. I know I could cam up the vortec 350 to scrub off some compression but that will kill my low end performance (I think). Question: Do you think it would be better in my application to port the 883's and go with the lower compression? In one of your vids I think you said the 441's were pretty good but I doubt I will find any. The camel humps are out for me since I need the accessory holes. I even looked at some of the cheap ebay aluminum heads but they are a gamble. Any recommendations are appreciated.
@billywilliams6853
@billywilliams6853 2 жыл бұрын
4200 lbs lead sled Needs a big block
@kamakab
@kamakab 7 жыл бұрын
Just like to add when checking length, is the lifter in the bore on base circle?
@buglover34465
@buglover34465 2 жыл бұрын
aircooled VW's checked with the rocker arm installed with the adjustable pushrod and the arrm on the valve side flat like in the video. I wonder if they make one of thoes tools for Vw's.
@SocalMarineUSA
@SocalMarineUSA 4 жыл бұрын
The tool states early sbc blocks, but will this also work on vortec heads?
@richardmouton9883
@richardmouton9883 8 жыл бұрын
can you do a video on breakin procedure.
@oceanhome2023
@oceanhome2023 6 жыл бұрын
I have recently built a SBC with Edelbrock heads with roller rockers , I don't have this tool yet . Can I pull the valve cover , pull the rocker and look at the impact spot is on the valve ?
@DreCustomAutollc
@DreCustomAutollc 5 жыл бұрын
Hey vintage im having a prob on my 385, far as maintaining a 1k idle, it is a 515 or 525 lift but 1 machine shop screwed me around with press in studs and didnt cut bosses, later took to my original place and he helped a little by putting some honeycomb springs and she ran better, i feel i need to go aluminum heads, especially for a better flow than the stock heads
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
Ben Dover
@robertclymer6948
@robertclymer6948 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for your info sir. Do we have to check each and every push rod? Is is best practice to buy the cam, lifters and rockers as a compete set? Thank you!! I see from comments below you don't answer questions. So can anyone please weigh in on this?
@mousefart2020
@mousefart2020 11 жыл бұрын
thanks mr.torres
@richardwilliams3350
@richardwilliams3350 7 жыл бұрын
I have a question... So this is verifing the length, however this is w/o any lift or mid-lift... Shouldn't the push rod be verified at mid-lift? just a question.. thanks~! RW
@johndoe-zd9lb
@johndoe-zd9lb 3 жыл бұрын
@Brandon Dennis so the engine needs too be hand turned until the push rod drops to it lowest point before using the push rod checker tool?
@dirtyracingandrods
@dirtyracingandrods 11 жыл бұрын
Rocker Arm Geometry should be set to center of valve stem / lash cap @ 50% of the total lift.
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
This for people who won't buy an adjustable length pushrod and do it correctly. This is a "good enough ?" situation... for backyard doers.
@Eeropolvasti
@Eeropolvasti 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot, good stuff, good teaching ! Now, couple questions: trying to find stage 2 camshaft into my 2004 Mustang/ 3.8 litre V 6. Comp Cam does not even make it??, where can I find one, even used one?? Also, can I change 1.6 rocker arms, stock I believe in my Mustang into 1.7 ratio?? Is there enough "play" in pistons to do that? Thanks again, youtheman =)
@sleathers1551
@sleathers1551 6 жыл бұрын
DONT EVEN BOTHER WITH THAT 3.8 INSTALL A V8.FOR ANOTHER DONT EVER INSTALL A USED CAM.YOU DONT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT AND FOR ANOTHER,WEAR PATTERNS ON THE CAM ITSELF!
@RamThisDTO
@RamThisDTO 7 жыл бұрын
Would this tool work on a small block mopar, Magnum 360 that I'm using Comp stud mounted 1.6 stainless roller rockers? I have already used the comp adjustable pushrod part number 7702-1 set at 6.8" with .050" preload on the hydraulic lifter as per Comp's tech page, and have a very centered sweep on the tappet end of the valve stem. Does that mean my geometry is correct?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
This tool will give a ball park setting for most engines keep in mind to get exact rocker geometry there is a much longer process
@Recon1Delta
@Recon1Delta 9 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the answer. Although if I get the Vortec heads I will have to get a intake for a Vortec set of heads, right? Im not looking to go the Vortec route, I wanted to get a set I could bolt on and go, and dont mind spending $1200 on the heads, so the price isnt a big deal. I have also checked the Edelbrock E street with the 180-185 runners. Im just wanting a reliable brand and would appreciate if you had any you could recommend?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 9 жыл бұрын
The RHS Vortec's have duel blot patterns on the intake flange you can use your intake, trust me you will love those heads they will kick the snot out of 200+ cc runners on a 350 the bigger runners don't have enough air velocity below 5000 rpm's on a 350 they are more for 383's and 400's I've already been through all of this I tested all these heads on the dyno give em a shot you won't be disappointed
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 12 жыл бұрын
you can get either one
@djbaar3301
@djbaar3301 6 жыл бұрын
I like this video and have done this with my GEN I 355 SBC with Edelbrock cam & flat tappets, their E-Street Aluminium 64 CC heads with guideplates, and Scorpion 1.5 full roller rockers. I got the pushrod length to 7.750 Comp Cams hardened pushrods (0.050 shorter than stock, but compression chamber is smaller too, etc...). I have had others tell me to toss this "pushrod length checker tool" and go other routes. "Why not use what is simplest and works?" I say.
@peterbuilttough3406
@peterbuilttough3406 2 жыл бұрын
Check at mid lift, max lift or at zero lift? I think that would be critical when using that tool . Don't you think?
@Dan-xe3ij
@Dan-xe3ij 6 жыл бұрын
So I recently had to get my cylinder heads milled to true them up after a head gasket blow out. I just got this tool and measured out my new pushrod length. I noticed you did not measure out preload. I’m dealing with a 95 ford 302 and the rockers call for zero lash and then a half turn while on the base circle of the cam. Using this tool, should you add those preload measurement of the 1/2 turn or no? I’m just assuming that half turn really doesn’t matter with that small of an increment measurement unless you are going absolute dead on balls precision cut pushrods.
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
95 have NON adjustable rockers. This does not apply to those. You need to adjust your stands for .030" preload... Unless it's just a daily driver then nobody cares really.
@3rdGenGuy
@3rdGenGuy 9 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't blue dye on the stems be an easier way 2 check the length?
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
Yes, but do you have 6 different length push rods to try?? Buy an adjustable pushrod and just do the job right the first time.
@kianwilliams2512
@kianwilliams2512 Жыл бұрын
I have a 351w with trick flow twisted wedge heads with roller rockers and the pushrod keeps rubbing on the pushrod guides. Any advice? Thanks
@devildogae
@devildogae 4 жыл бұрын
So if I changed cams, springs and rockers on a hydrolic vortec 350, I'm finding this tool doesnt work when testing my engine at 1/2 lift with 90 degree method. Also noticed it changes my lift in a negative way although my sweep pattern is on the exhaust side. To get correct lift and 90 deg I had to increase rod length by 200 thousand. That us accounting for preload factored in. Products changed: Compcams Xm270hr marine cam Compcams behive springs Comp 7 degree retainers and keepers Assault racing 1.5 full roller rockers. I'm going to test out a different set of 1.5's, I'm a little freaked out by the big change and exhaust sweep. Thoughts?
@uncletomsgarage
@uncletomsgarage 4 жыл бұрын
I am reading Summit reviews and about 20% of the reviews state that this is not the way to go. I am more comfortable with the 90 degree method. I love saving time but shortcuts do not make any sense to me especially given the reviews on Summit.
@Recon1Delta
@Recon1Delta 9 жыл бұрын
What set of aftermarket heads do you recommend I use on my 72 Chevelle with a 350, already has a dual plane Summit Intake and other goodies..488 lift cam, Edelbrock 600, will be using Harland Roller Rockers already ordered 1.6 size. IM in a standstill with AFR 195cc SBC Eliminators 1040.. will these work ok? Quote:These cylinder heads are a L98 based geometry. Not compatible with self-aligning rocker arms. Exhaust port is raised 0.100 in. over stock. :;;Do I need anything special for these to work?? Thanks! Don Don if you know Id appreciate it too!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 9 жыл бұрын
195cc runners are to big for a 350 with that cam buy some RHS vortec's with 180 to 185 cc runners and a 64 cc chamber it will run much better also your carb is too small you need 800 to 850 cfm carb
@505197
@505197 10 жыл бұрын
You'd think the tool would have a seat for the pushrod
@AK49Watson
@AK49Watson 7 жыл бұрын
Does it matter if you use a solid or hydraulic lifter when using this tool? I have a solid lifter, but the seat height is way different than the hydraulic lifters that are being used in the engine. Using the solid lifter, the stock length pushrod is perfect. Using the completely dry hydraulic lifter, the pushrod is .100 too long. That makes more sense to me since the block and heads were surfaced.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
WITH HYD LIFTERE THE PLUNGER WILL BE ABOUT THE MIDDEL OF THE TRAVEL WHEN PUMPED UP STOCK LENGTH IS FINE
@AK49Watson
@AK49Watson 7 жыл бұрын
Myvintageiron7512 That was my assessment as well. Ordered a set last night, thanks.
@garrettgustkey6750
@garrettgustkey6750 9 жыл бұрын
question: How does a Technician check for proper length when the cam lobe for each cylinder is at "0" degree bottom dead center? or Do i check this distance with the valve fully closed and the cam lobe at BDC for each cylinder? please respond
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 11 жыл бұрын
Yep thats exaxtly what the tool does
@greattribulation
@greattribulation 7 жыл бұрын
Myvintageiron7512
@nykuryu
@nykuryu 5 жыл бұрын
Wouldnt preload on hydraulic lifters change the final geometry? This checks with no preload so ~.060 taller than with preload right?
@normhodgkinson6965
@normhodgkinson6965 5 жыл бұрын
nykuryu, yes. with the lifter full of oil and zero lash, add .020 to the overall pushrod length.
@grobertaguilar6023
@grobertaguilar6023 2 жыл бұрын
Is it fair to say that when deciding on the parts needed to build a performance engine, you should start with the heads and work back to the block?
@deans2917
@deans2917 5 жыл бұрын
I never rebuilt and engine before so I'm in uncharted territory. I'm working on my 97 3500 7.4 Vortec. I'm pretty sure you all know that it cant be adjusted like regular rockers. Will this tool work with the Vortec?
@Stainlessslayer
@Stainlessslayer 7 жыл бұрын
is there a different tool for different rocker ratios? or does the geometry stay the same for all ratios?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
It can change
@jeffalldredge2752
@jeffalldredge2752 2 жыл бұрын
Does it matter where the piston is within it's travel range? What I mean is will the geometry be the same at TDC and BDC and anywhere in-between?
@mississippimotorsports3286
@mississippimotorsports3286 6 ай бұрын
You’ll want to make sure the cam is in on the base circle. (Off the lifting lobe completely)
@Recon1Delta
@Recon1Delta 9 жыл бұрын
Myvintageiron7512 if you could help me find a part number for the heads( Ive been looking on JEGS) I would fully appreciate it. I looked at the heads and there are about 7 different kinds and none say Vortec style.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 9 жыл бұрын
www.speedwaymotors.com/RHS-VORTEC-CYLINDER-HEADS,6613.html
@johnsmithson2506
@johnsmithson2506 10 ай бұрын
Great information what your videos will the the push rod checker tool will it be ok to use on either 1.5 and 1.6 ratio rocker arms ?
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
Yes, the pushrods end is at an angle, so the shorter actual tip radius is compensated for. Don't forget to sweep the valve tip with an adjustable length pushrod. See my other post. Please.
@johnsmithson2506
@johnsmithson2506 3 ай бұрын
@@hotrodray6802 thanks .
@richwahneEXPERTSmadeEasy
@richwahneEXPERTSmadeEasy 3 ай бұрын
If the pushrod is too short or too long...how do you measure the distance between the pushrod and the rocker arm checker tool thingy?
@carlrandazzo7547
@carlrandazzo7547 2 жыл бұрын
My intake lift is .19 larger than the exhaust lift do i need two different push rod lengths. .584/.565
@oceanhome2023
@oceanhome2023 3 жыл бұрын
Are you doing this on cyl 1 at TDC ?
@jessesyfie7244
@jessesyfie7244 Жыл бұрын
On my 350 with that tool, a stock 7.800 pushrod, lifter on base circle I have almost .150 gap between the bottom of tool and top of valve top, could it be that far off or is something wrong? Pushrods way to long.
@malcolmburton9481
@malcolmburton9481 Жыл бұрын
Do you check it the same way if the lifters are new thanks
@musictodiefor6961
@musictodiefor6961 6 жыл бұрын
hmmm....question: Wouldn't you want to check the valve stem length first for proper roller rocker position then check the pushrod length ?
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 6 жыл бұрын
The valve stem heights are all the same the push rod length is what determines proper rocker position
@sleathers1551
@sleathers1551 6 жыл бұрын
YOU KNOW.... MOST OF YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTIONS IF YOU JUST READ THE OTHER GUYS COMMENTS
@douglasknutsen
@douglasknutsen 6 жыл бұрын
I have searched for this same type of rocker arm geometry checker for a SBF with 3/8 studs and can only find them for Chevy. Do you know of that same tool for Ford or does the same tool work for Ford?
@donrutter6765
@donrutter6765 6 жыл бұрын
Douglas Knutsen See my post at the top, you dont need any tool, just a sharpie mark on your valve stem.
@douglasknutsen
@douglasknutsen 6 жыл бұрын
Understood. Just trying to cheat a little with the soft springs and an adjustable push rod
@benkalinowski5834
@benkalinowski5834 5 жыл бұрын
I have the same tool And I need it to find my pushrod length Do you just use fealer gauges under it to measure how much off it is ?
@MrElPoderozo1
@MrElPoderozo1 5 жыл бұрын
You will need a tool that looks like an actual push rod but it has adjustment to make it long or shorter. So in actuality you would need this proform tool and a push rod lenght checker. The way you would buy one is to find out how long your stock push rod is the go to Summit Racing or Jegs and search for a push rod lenght checker that will be adjustable to the longer side of the stock push rod. When you get it you will put the proform tool the way he did in the video then grab your pushrod lenght checker and adjusted to where it touches the proform tool. Then you will take that push rod checker and measure the length with a caliper or even a measuring tape. Now you got the correct push rod lenght and you can order it, good luck.
@benkalinowski5834
@benkalinowski5834 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrElPoderozo1 ok great Ty very much I have a 88 roller block 350 I have new alum heads with double valve springs And my 3 year old 1.6 roller rockers hit the inside of the rocker and shattered wearing out the retainer on top after 1500 km break in Now I just put my factory gm ones back in But I fed have stock pushrods I actually just broke one in half I replaced it with a new stock one for now When do you need hardened pushrods Spring pressure or rpm At what point dog they break
@MrElPoderozo1
@MrElPoderozo1 5 жыл бұрын
@@benkalinowski5834 Is very hard for me to give you accurate information without knowing everything I need to know but sense you put new aluminum heads I am going to assume that it also has a new camshaft. The lift on the cam has to match the springs etc... if you broke a push rod in half it could be that is too long or you might have adjusted too much. Like I said is very hard for me to tell without being involved in it. Good luck tho sorry.
@benkalinowski5834
@benkalinowski5834 5 жыл бұрын
@@MrElPoderozo1 I have a Chevy performance lt1 hot cam It's not crazy It's for my fuel injected 88 GTA trans am I thought if it breaks another pushrod then I'm gonna do what you said
@JuanLopez-oh4ul
@JuanLopez-oh4ul 3 жыл бұрын
Does that plastic pushrod measuring tool work on small ford blocks?
@Mario-zt4lq
@Mario-zt4lq 2 жыл бұрын
I have the same question
@sweetd69
@sweetd69 11 жыл бұрын
Nice tool . Is that right that you can use this tool to find your correct push rod lenght . Instand of useing your rocker arm and turning the motor over with the calk on the valve stem to check to see if it line up in the middle of the valve stem..
@devildogae
@devildogae 4 жыл бұрын
No
@110665
@110665 9 жыл бұрын
Can that tool be used on a Ford head, one with adjustable rocker arms?
@matman7546
@matman7546 7 жыл бұрын
flint lock no they are engine specific because of different valve angles, etc
@mikep1123
@mikep1123 Жыл бұрын
Both intake and exhaust valves are closed when you check the length using this pushrod gauge?
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
Yes
@chillinOkie
@chillinOkie 12 жыл бұрын
Where should the position of the cam lobe be when setting up the checker
@jacobsanchez6943
@jacobsanchez6943 Жыл бұрын
Good question
@jacobsena7694
@jacobsena7694 6 жыл бұрын
So im getting my cam swaped out would i need the new cam in before i can measure
@sleathers1551
@sleathers1551 6 жыл бұрын
THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU JUST ASKED??
@jacobsena7694
@jacobsena7694 6 жыл бұрын
sleathers1551 yeah diddnt think wen i posted
@sergiocorrales8668
@sergiocorrales8668 8 жыл бұрын
is the engine on top dead center or where
@steveoh4595
@steveoh4595 8 жыл бұрын
Do they make this tool for fords? Looked high and low with no luck...
@DobermansRock
@DobermansRock 7 жыл бұрын
As a Mopar guy to a Ford guy. Keep in mind that the Chevy guys need all the help they can get.
@Recon1Delta
@Recon1Delta 9 жыл бұрын
RHS 12052-02 - RHS Pro Action Aluminum SB-Chevy Cylinder Heads are these it?
@lukazdrilic2659
@lukazdrilic2659 9 жыл бұрын
?
@danbaksa6533
@danbaksa6533 2 жыл бұрын
How accurate is this? I have a dart pro 200 with 1.55 valve retainers, added comp cam magnum moly rocker, clears ,so they say 1.55 spring... I stared with 7.2 pushrod,, too short, so I went 7.4.. swiped is good across the valve.. tried this tool. It shows me I need 7.6 rods!!! Is this accurate?
@LuisMartinez-fg4pl
@LuisMartinez-fg4pl 7 ай бұрын
Is there a way to tell what kind of rocker arm i need? I just bought an lt1 engine that has been cammed and seems to have aftermarket valves but they installed the incorrect rocker arms.
@donrutter6765
@donrutter6765 6 жыл бұрын
I found a better easy way to check push rod legnth. Put your pushrod in, tighten rocker to zero lash. Count the turns on the nut from being off to zero lash, mine was 5. Take your pushrod out, put your rocker back on, count your turns to your zero lash. Now count the turns to get your rocker where it runs centered on the valve. 3/8 studs are .042 per turn of the nut, 7/16 studs are .050 per turn. I needed .250 shorter. Worked out perfect. No need for an adjustable pushrod, just eyes and math. The .021 of half turn past zero lash on a hydraulic cam wont make a difference on your measurement. My sharpie mark on the valve stem is dead center. Heads milled .015, block decked .010, felpro gasket, .580 lift cam, hydraulic lifters. 12.5 to 1 comp. You can also mark a business card at zero lash with the wrong pushrod, measure on the pushrod end of the rocker, take it out, run the rocker where it while ride the valve centered, mark the business card again. Subtract. Convert to hundreths of an inch.
@blindabinda1234
@blindabinda1234 6 жыл бұрын
Don Rutter lol ya that's a way easier way to do it. Lol
@brianbutton4587
@brianbutton4587 2 ай бұрын
Is it checked with the lifter on the base of the cam lobe?
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t compensate for different cam lifts! May get in the ballpark, but not spot on!
@georgesantiago6005
@georgesantiago6005 Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@1971Frenchy
@1971Frenchy 3 жыл бұрын
Can I safely use standard rockers with 500 to 600 lift or do I need to get rollers
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 3 жыл бұрын
I wouls go roller with anything above .600
@brianwarner308
@brianwarner308 6 ай бұрын
i may be a roller but i'll always be a rocker...
@chillinOkie
@chillinOkie 12 жыл бұрын
Don't answer that one I figured it out,, I was thinking about it too much I guess.
@one2go127
@one2go127 10 жыл бұрын
what about lifter pre load did you add for that
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
.030 is preferred. Be sure and center the valve tip sweep.
@Aseutester
@Aseutester 6 жыл бұрын
Will this Tool work on LS Engines too?!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 6 жыл бұрын
no
@claytonparrish1931
@claytonparrish1931 7 жыл бұрын
Will this tool work for a gen 3 viper
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
no
@sergiocorrales8668
@sergiocorrales8668 8 жыл бұрын
or is the valve closed
@hunterbradley3829
@hunterbradley3829 7 жыл бұрын
How do you check a head that don't have studs
@jonnywilson9117
@jonnywilson9117 7 жыл бұрын
Vague question. What do you even mean?
@DobermansRock
@DobermansRock 7 жыл бұрын
He is probably asking about engines that the rockers run on a shaft. Its not a vague question when you are a mechanic. Non mechanics come up with basic terms describing what they have seen. So us mechanics have to read further into what they are trying to describe sometimes.
@sleathers1551
@sleathers1551 6 жыл бұрын
I WOULD SAY HE IS TALKING ABOUT THE BOLT DOWN ROCKERS LIKE A SBF HAVE
@adamdelarozza1985
@adamdelarozza1985 5 жыл бұрын
"Valve camber alignment check Tool" Or call it a:Is it too dang sideways tool??😜
@davidlebreton7421
@davidlebreton7421 4 жыл бұрын
i have no compresion is thats why my push rod need to be check
@blazeracer1
@blazeracer1 7 жыл бұрын
Not a fan of this tool. It doesn't account for valve lift. There is a big difference between a .550 flat tappet and a .750 solid rolller cam. The only way to do it right is the use the rocker your going to run, set it at 90* to the valve stem to establish the proer geometry, then take out 1/2 the total valve lift to determine pushrod length. This tool doesn't know what your valve lift is so should only be used on hydraulic cams.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 7 жыл бұрын
I agree that above .550 lift this does not work but up to that lift it works like magic I was skeptical at first a so I checked the Geometry with the 90 degree method and this tool gets it perfect, I tried it with a .620 lift solid cam and it DOES NOT !! work you are right about that good call
@donrutter6765
@donrutter6765 6 жыл бұрын
blazeracer1 Not so, my rockers wont run at 90° mid lift. You have to get your wear mark centered on the valve, not 90 degrees.
@ModsnRods
@ModsnRods 6 жыл бұрын
Hey did you measure the piston to valve clearance after getting proper geometry?? I am almost done with my motor 408 Nitrous motor check my channel
@dmvfocusrs7591
@dmvfocusrs7591 3 жыл бұрын
Rocket arm and pushrod geometry tool...
@RubinsRacing350
@RubinsRacing350 3 жыл бұрын
Rocket arm😂
@fragman21
@fragman21 4 жыл бұрын
I don't trust this tool. it said I need pushrods 7.0. with adjustable push rod it was 7.1 and some change. stock block , stock 041 heads with Howards retro roller hydraulic cam/lifters. Howards said 7.144 is what they recommend as a starting point for my setup and 7.0 was out of the question! I think this tool is for measuring at 50% lift ... maybe.
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
this only works with a mild cam with a bigger cam I agree I would not use this tool
@gjsaeger2571
@gjsaeger2571 4 жыл бұрын
What position does the cam have to be in to get the proper geometry off this tool
@RubinsRacing350
@RubinsRacing350 3 жыл бұрын
All positions👌
@hotrodray6802
@hotrodray6802 4 ай бұрын
Kinda like Sanitation Engineer verbage. 😆😆😆
@jeffreydurham5342
@jeffreydurham5342 5 ай бұрын
I said it before and I'll say it again, that tool is worthless. If you change valve lift on any engine the rocker hight must change accordingly. I'm going to have to make a video explaining this. There is so much confusion about this.
@thepoopsoup
@thepoopsoup 2 жыл бұрын
Motor is electric. Engine are fuel
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 2 жыл бұрын
HMMM that is an interesting viewpoint can you please explain the following company's and tell me what they build? Ford Motor Company General Motors BMW AKA as Bavarian Motor Works Motor's magazine Chrysler Motor Corp Mitsubishi Motor's I could keep going but you get the point. If you look up the term motor in the dictionary it lists the definition as an internal Combustion Engine, I'm not sure where this nonsense about a Motor only being electric came from but it's just not true
@dirtyburd71
@dirtyburd71 Жыл бұрын
We are working on motor vehicles after all.............
@scottroberts79
@scottroberts79 7 жыл бұрын
I'll:
@maxhames499
@maxhames499 9 ай бұрын
What a bad video. No information. No set up. I wouldnt let him touch my motor.
@joshstaley7459
@joshstaley7459 Жыл бұрын
you the to be on the base circle of the cam when you check this right?
@trailerparkcryptoking5213
@trailerparkcryptoking5213 4 жыл бұрын
Doesn’t compensate for different cam lifts! May get in the ballpark, but not spot on!
@Myvintageiron7512
@Myvintageiron7512 4 жыл бұрын
yes that's true this tool is only useful with mild cams with bigger cams you need to do it the harder way go to half lift and make sure the center line of the rocker is 90 degrees to the valve tip one of these days I'll do a video on that
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