How to choose your first motorcycle

[@karlwalters3763]

Started on a Kawasaki zzr 250. All my mates were into gsxr 750s, exup 1000's and track days. Didn't stop me from having the time of my life thrashing the crap out of that poor bike around Lakeside international raceway. The mechanics used to piss themselves laughing when I'd get a set GP compound Dunlop tyres on a 'beginners bike' and come back after the weekend with them shredded to bits. The next bike was an RGV 250m then a vfr 400 and then a GSXR 600 srad but this was over a period of 5 years and 10 or so Keith Code Superbike Schools. The point is to take your time and develop your skills. There's nothing quite like the satisfaction when a 1000cc rider can't drop you while you're riding a 250 on a track day.

[@WeNeedASaga]

"Remember, your first bike is unlikely to be your last....unless it's a litre sports bike" hahaha. good a good laugh out of that :)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you spotted that, I was quite proud of that :0)

[@TARRN47]

Hi, I passed my test March 2016, age 54 lots of years driving experience but a purchased a new Honda Crossrunner 800cc loved it, now after 14 months and nearly 22000 miles I think I'm ready to upgrade to something slightly larger like the 1200GS. I do find these vids that you do really useful.

[@jurgentreue1200]

I'm 62, got my bike licence in 1975 and had a heap of bikes, mostly Europeans. Two Moto Guzzi Le Mans, three BMWs, one Hinckley Triumph and two Bultacos plus three Japanese bikes over the years. Curent bike is a 2015 BMW F800R. 40 odd years of motorcycling and never stopped learning.

[@JazzRadioFfm]

i stopped the video looked for that answer :D

[@MrPjc67]

Very true ...a little mistake and it is all over

[@aprilwindorg]

At the age of 54 I got my driver license and got myself a R1200GS LC. Am planning a summer trip to and along The Alps this summer. Big bikes is never a mistake. Nice videos you are making.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Ragnar!

[@ImLeuff]

Standard motorcycles, nakeds. Look cool, pretty comfortable, not suicide fast but plenty fast enough (seems even faster when naked), will do tours, will commute, generally cheap second hand. Honda CB500, Suzuki Bandit 600, Kawasaki ER5 etc.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

That's the way to go I reckon - cheers for watching and for stopping by once again, always good to hear from you Leuff...

[@bikersquest]

Also maintenance is quite easy on them (boring I know but I love this aspect of them)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes good point - I like that about them too...

[@mrbryguy5831]

Leuff agree 100%

[@4xdblack]

I've been considering the possibility of getting into Motorcycles here recently.. I've been doing a lot of research and given it a lot of thought as to whether I should actually do it. I would honestly prefer to drive a car, I'm not a big thrill seeker.. But I think a motorcycle would be a great option for my current financial situation. And so far all the research I've done has agreed with what you said.. I think a naked would be the best first bike.

[@billwisdom3356]

Just started riding at age of 50. I bought a BMW F700GS.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good choice, exactly the sort of bike that you can learn your craft on but won't try and kill you every time you go for a ride....enjoy!

[@CMX70]

Guys, I am 47 & would like to start riding. The bike I am passionate about is the KTM SMCR but I hesitate purchasing as a first bike due to its reputation for torque wheelies etc. I have sat on it at the dealership and the seat height for my 32" inseam is okay, the weight of the bike is not a negative either, 141 kg dry weight is easy to man handle when required to do so. I am contemplating an A2 restricted version [full power = 47kw(67bhp), restricted = 35kw (46.6bhp), is this something that would make it suitable for me without courting disaster? The obvious repost is get a 390 Duke but the attraction I have to the smcr is strong :)

[@xXxTripleHxXx]

It is a light bike and in its restricted state the power will be managable. The seating position is very upright wich makes correcting your line while cornering easy. However the super upright seating position will make longer tripls on highway speeds more fatuiging and it being a 1 cylinder engine it is stubborn and jerky at low revs and it has alot of grunt down low in its unrestricted state wich will lighten up the front wheel together witht he upright position and its very low weight. Imo those bikes are hard to take a relaxed ride. Those kinds of bikes tend to be ridden by the "hooligan" type of riders. If you want a smoother and more planted riding experience id steer you towards the MT07 or the Kawasaki Z650. Also while taking your lessons you should check if youd be more comfortable on a bike that offers more windprotection (ninja 650 etc...). The SMCR is a mountainroad eating weapon. It allows for very high leanangles and its suspension and brakes are superior to those of MT07 and the likes. However i think the bikes character is too aggressive and unsettling for it to be a good first bike. It being more expensive and probably less reliable with much smaller tank doesnt help either but it is still not terrible. Take a testride and see if the bikes character suits you. Imo a first bike should allow you to ride it smoothly and relaxed if you want to...Good luck and have fun

[@CMX70]

xXxTripleHxXx Thank you for the knowledgeable reply, it is plenty for me to think about. Merry Christmas.

[@KrishnaSolti]

How good is 700GS for touring?

[@MrAndrew1953]

Same rules apply if you haven't ridden for a long time..Highest number of fatalities are in 40 plus mature age riders who go out and get a litre plus mega powerful bike- wrap it round a tree or pole. Get a 500 ( new/ 2nd hand) ride that for atleast 6 months. Also do some witches hat, emergency braking, open road brush up skill sessions at a motorcycle riding centre.

[@danielthompson803]

It's more fun to ride a small bike fast than a big bike slow! Nowadays with all the cameras get a good handling small bike and ring its neck out without losing your license.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Very true!

[@dardobartoli]

Thank you for all these videos and they are really helping me narrow my choice down to 42 bikes :-)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good time to be buying a bike eh?

[@RevvedUpBiker]

My advice would be buy something like you used to do your lessons on. I did my DAS and could ride any bike, but the XJ6n would have been the best bike to have and learn on. You want to make sure that the jump in Horse Power and Torque is not too great. No good jumping from a 45bhp bike up to a 180bhp. Go from 45bhp > 90bhp > 140bhp > 200bhp if you wish.

[@christiansymonds]

RevvedUpBiker smart and good advice...

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Agreed 100%

[@Daskard]

Wow, that 90 hp is exactly what I am going for, too. However those 90 hp are gonna come out of a 800cc tw-cylinder engine :) Gives you punch from low revs up, which makes it safer in case you misjudge an overtaking manouvre

[@jurgentreue1200]

For everyday riding 90 hp is heaps especially if the bike only weighs 175 kilos dry. I've got a 2015 BMW F800R which has 90 hp and weighs less than 200 kilos fully fueled.It's got heaps of poke straight off idle and with enough torque to keep gear changes to a minimum. I've also owned a couple of Moto Guzzi Le Mans which also had around 85-90 hp but were 30 or 40 kilos heavier. The F800R will eat the Guzzis for breakfast, especially in the handling and braking department. By the way, my 1990 Guzzi Le Mans MkV is still my all time favourite bike. I've owned more twin cylinder bikes than anything, mostly European marques. The F800R is an easy bike to ride around town. Great brakes and very maneuverable. It also makes for a fantastic open road bike.

[@bobcargill6245]

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[@dankitchen4621]

Great advice here. I've just bought my first big bike: a 2nd hand Suzuki Bandit GSF 600. It's nothing pretty, done 20k miles but picked it up for £1500. Excellent for learning my craft over the next 6 - 12 months. I'll be commuting when the weather is good and then easy riding with my wife as pillion when we have the opportunity. A week and a half in and I'm loving it but I certainly get what you're saying about 'craving more power'. I can tell that once I've racked up more miles over the coming months, I'll be ready for something bigger. However there's no need to run before I learn to walk! Excellent videos TMF, keep 'em coming!

[@cossiep]

Nice vid, also worth mentioning for the newbies if that it's equally important (if not more so) to budget for proper well thought out kit. You can have the nicest machine but riding it in jeans, trainers, t shirt and an cheapy helmet is not only dangerous but will drive you mad from a comfort perspective. Like a lot I've spent over 15 years getting to the point where I'm happy with my all year round kit and helmet etc and you have to experiment usually at great cost. Also as a newcomer don't restrict yourself to a particular genre of machine, keep an open mind as you might find a certain style of machine just does it for you that you had never previously considered. After 15 years riding and nearly all bikes under the sun that have come and gone (including a water cooled GS) I currently have a 1100 Pan Euro and a Peugeot Satelis scooter, not because they are trendy but simply because they cover all my needs and tick all the boxes for what I need them for. Ride safe all.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Cossiep - good advice re the kit, wish I'd thought of that!

[@cossiep]

No worries, I wish I'd have had good solid advice when starting out. Also just as they come off the top of my head, my top tens tips: 1) £3k budget should = £2k on bike, £1k on kit not £3k on bike etc 2) Get a good quality and quiet lid i.e. Schuberth/ Shoei, your hearing once gone can't really be replaced 3) Wear earplugs all the time 4) Wear a thin silk balaclava all year round, keeps you cooler in the summer and warmer in winter and does wonders for your helmets interior 5) Get a good quality tank bag or backpack, so much nicer to put your essentials such as keys, phone, money, wallet etc in, than stuffing them in your riding jacket 6) Pinlock for your visor(s) if not supplied from new with the helmet 7) Merino wool underlayer all year round is probably THE best investment you can make, normal t shirts will just get damp and uncomfortable and make you feel cold very quickly 8) Advanced training, the IAM/ Rospa beardy crew aren't also the most exciting but they can teach you about safety and defensive riding which is important 9) Breakdown cover 10) Tyre condition and pressures - keep an eye on them weekly as a minimum, not every 6 months they are all that's keeping you shiny side up and will last longer Bonus 11) If possible, keep all your kit indoors and get kitted up inside as it's much easier to stay warm if you start warm. Putting on cold kit kept in the garage will only make and keep you cold.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good list - thanks for sharing!

[@vincewooo]

Totally agreed! Actually I found myself more interesting shopping on motorcycle gears than my normal clothing.

[@richlfc3604]

Great advise wish i'd seen it before i started riding

[@DrummerOnTwoWheels]

Some very good advice. My first bike was a Triumph Sprint ST 1050, 27 years old, never ridden a bike up until doing my direct access course. I think a good tip that could have been mentioned is who you are planning on riding with! My Dad made me ride with him for months until he was happy for me to go out alone, might seem overprotective but if i would have gone out with my friends at the time, GSX-R1000 riders etc, I think it could have gone in a very different direction. Good video as always, matey.

[@grahamkiely722]

Excellent advice. Don't waste money on new until you've been riding a few years and have ridden different bikes. That way you can make an informed choice when spending hard earned cash. As mentioned if you value your life don't be silly either. 25 years of riding Mbx80, Gs125, Nsr125, R6, R1, and now MT09 & GS1200...... basically you will get bored and change bikes.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad you're experience backs up mine Graham, thanks for stopping by - TMF

[@reljoy]

I really liked this video. I haven't heard anyone else mention thinking about your own driveway surface (gravel etc). Also moving it around the garage. Very good points that I had not considered. I haven't ridden for about 40 years and I'm thinking of getting another bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank for the kind words Roger!

[@dutchdryfly]

After riding 3 years on a MP3 500 I am currently on my way to the final exam for my full motorcycle license. During my lessons I rode a 750 cc Honda. As I am in my fifties and longlegged, my main concern was getting a bike that fit me. I also gave it some thought of what I would use the bike for. In my case it was touring (day, weekend and maybe longer) on secondary roads. So last week I traded my MP3 for a Versys 650 GT. I came to the conclusion that for my purposes I don’t need a 1000 cc.

[@SmartESET]

Like many of us here in the UK, starting off on a 125 has been a necessary evil for myself. I'm an an MT-07 right now but had that been my first bike, I'm sure I would not have gotten away with the mistakes I've made on my 125. I'm with you TMF - I believe in progression. We're not as sensible or have the common sense that we think we do.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Abdi...

[@meuk1183]

In 1980 I rode my new moped (MZ Simson SB50 B1) from Kent to Scotland. It took me a full days riding 14 hours (35 MPH top end 500 miles). Don't think you need a large engine to tour, a 125cc bike can easily be used for long distance touring you just need to accept its a bit slower.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...yes I guess patience is the key on a 125!

[@meuk1183]

Todd Sadler In fact apart from fuel stops, I just kept riding.

[@peterc7327]

Totally agree, riding long distances on a bike or scooter with a motor no bigger than a lawn motor engine is a great adventure.

[@johnpersonage7220]

Best "first" bike is something like a Honda Step-Thru C70/90 or similar. From there on I agree with you to do the gradual approach. I went Suzuki TS185, Honda 250Dream, Honda 400Superdream, Kawasaki Z650, Yamaha XJ900 over a period of 5 years.

[@Mark-yw3kg]

Again great video. Thanks TMF. Despite your good advise, I have bought myself a KTM 1290 Superduke GT on the day I passed my test and I have never regretted this decision. I still believe the real danger resides in your right hand. It is just a great machine and for the coming years I will still be learning on this “Beast”. However, a minor disadvantage is that I don’t know what to buy next. For me the “Beast” is just the ultimate machine. Greetings from Holland!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Mark - well we're all grown ups and can make our own decisions, all I know is that if I'd gone too large too soon I possibly wouldn't be sitting here typing this now (very little self control when it comes to the throttle hand).....

[@MrBoybergs]

Yamaha MT03 660cc (1st generation thumper). Looks great, sounds amazing with an after market can, lots of low down torque but won't get you into trouble, light, low seat height, upright riding position, cheap to insure and maintain and now pretty cheap on the used market. Perfect first bike imo, which you can grow into and still enjoy once your a more experienced rider.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yep, good call!

[@Mr71paul71]

as a returning rider who used to ride rg250s or rgv250s I'm going for a jawa 350 or a cb500. but I'm going to keep my little 50cc scooter as its so much fun commuting to work on

[@simonpayne7078]

I have just passed DAS and thought I’d ask the company who trained me what they thought of my short list. They felt a Triumph Tiger 800 was okay for me. They said that for it might be unsuitable for some. Just thought people could utilise instructor’s advice.

[@heotechniques5065]

For anyone watching this trying to decide what to buy for their first bike I personally agree with him on all points. 500’s are a great size to learn on. See if you’re even going to like the sport first, Then move up with the power if you even want it. Great information 👍🇨🇦

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur!

[@2WheeledDisciple]

I agree. Start small and work up. Smaller bikes allow more room for the inevitable mistakes that will be made.

[@Daemon_Wraith]

My choice: 1 - Honda CB125R (Learner) 2 - BMW G 310 GS 3 - BMW F 850 GS Adventure 4 - BMW R 1250 GS Adventure For fun - Honda CB650R

[@knobcheddar]

Some very sensible advice as always. I wanted the 1000cc bike as soon as I passed my test 18 months ago but a few Insurance quotes soon made me see sense. I went for a Honda CBF600 instead. Cracking bike that I can’t bear to part with even though i upgraded to a Triumph Sprint GT 3 months ago.

[@rocketrollsvlogs7625]

I'm 9 mos in on my first bike. CB500X. I love my bike, and now i want a garage big enough to hold my 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th bikes....

[@gidrally]

Good vid! Back in the day, I'd tell anyone who listened to go for a Sports 400 - it taught me so much in my first few years of bike ownership. I'd be cautious saying the same now, just because they're so long in the tooth, finding a good one will be hard... but the key factors in your first bike are still relevant. Something forgiving and not too powerful, un-intimidating... shock horror but I'd also thumbs up the Street Triple here... but something you will WANT to use. Don't worry about power, speed or what your mates think - if it's a bike that will instil you to get out on it and get some experience without killing yourself, then it ticks the main box!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Agreed!

[@pjeball]

Great vid TMF, and very slick with the cuts to each bike. Someone wise told me: "You start out with an empty bucket of experience and a full bucket of luck. The key is to fill up the experience bucket before you run out of luck!" In terms of bikes I agree with you; plenty of lovely 2nd hand Japanese bikes out there that seem to depreciate quicker than their European counterparts. You'll get a good deal and not spend too much time worrying about drops. XJ6's, ER-6's, SV650's or MT-07's are plenty of bike still for a new rider. I would also go for something with a relatively flat, accessible torque curve too. A lot of the modern retro's probably fit that bill too.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...I love that bucket quote, I bear that in mind every time I ride a bike (or indeed fly an aeroplane)....

[@colberki]

At 60, after a 40 years break from motorcycles, I got myself first a BMW R Nine T and a BMW S1000R over the past two years. Last motorcycle was a Honda Cub C70. Having lots of fun and riding safe. Been watching lots of motorcycling videos on KZbin and one BMW riding skills course so far to improve my skills. I enjoy your videos a lot. 🙏😬

[@colberki]

Have done about 20,000km in total on both bikes

[@chrisskinner4434]

Great video once again and you put your opinion across well, I half followed the route of building up to a more powerful bike, I started off with a Yamaha FZ6 but sold that after 4 wks and got giddy I managed to sell it for what I paid for it and bought a new Triumph Speed Triple 1050 I kept that for a couple of yrs before buying a new Aprilia RSV4. For me no matter what bike you buy the most important thing is your own attitude and self presevation. Most bike can get you in to trouble if not respected.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Very true Chris - I think you can quickly outgrow lower power machines (as you and I both found out) but I think taking the steps towards more power is still well worth doing whilst you hone your skill - and as you say, if you're lucky about it you can recoup most of the second hand costs (unlike I found out buying new)....

[@NSBECKETT71]

Ive started small, BMW G310R, only 34 hp but to be honest it’s more than enough for me to buzz around the lanes, and commuting to work when the sun is shining, putting a smile on my face and having some fun on. Yeah it’s not the quickest bike, but it’s quick enough for me. I’ve got the budget to go out and buy a bigger faster bike but I’m restricting myself until I’ve got at least a few years riding experience before taking the next step. Maybe if I’d done my bike test 20 years ago, then I would have felt differently, but 20 years ago I wouldn’t have had the road sense to handle a bigger bike.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You've done the right thing - I give you 6 months until you're after something bigger.....

[@NSBECKETT71]

TheMissendenFlyer - we’ll see! Whatever happens, the little one will be kept 😀

[@ryanw1359]

smaller engines, cheaper insurance and better gas mileage. I would say always start at a 300 if you've never ridden. if you know how, I would get a 600 like a cbr600. No one really needs anything higher than a 600 if you don't race

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

+Ry Dubz Well a agree with that if you are a newbie....my 1200 GS was excellent recently on the long ride to Scotland....

[@MagicAyrtonforever]

Once you are two up and fully loaded the 1200cc engine comes in nicely! ;) It's all about the torque.

[@TARRN47]

I wish I'd watched this video 18 months ago, I passed my test and bought a 10k Honda Crossruner. I done 26000 miles on it and it's now worth £5500 against a GSA. For me though I didn't expect to enjoy riding the bike as much as i do. Keep up the great videos and thanks for all the reviews etc

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Sorry about that Trevor! I did the same thing......and thanks for the kind words...

[@vincewooo]

I will buy a brand new G310R for my first bike because of 3 years warranty and cheap price and low running cost. I am on DAS course right now so hopefully I will pass my test first time at the end of this month.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Great choice and best of luck with the test!

[@dimitristselikis5525]

I recently got my A driving licence, 35 years old, 6ft tall, i passed the test driving a Suzuki GSR 600 and an old Honda CB400.Never dropped my bike or anything,I plan on buying the Suzuki SV650, the current one, hope that's a sensible choice..

[@fursteveferret3771]

Listen to TMF. my first bike was an xj600n a super learner bike. My mate bought my old zx6r ninja when he first past and 3 weeks later he was in intensive care, the bike was totalled.These things bite. Walk first then run. Superb as always TMF....

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you FF a salutary tale if ever there was one...

[@fursteveferret3771]

TheMissendenFlyer One of your bloggers Peter Gunton mentioned the honda cb500 I have a 2013f model as a daily rider it's the easiest bike ever to ride a great starter bike for someone looks good to... Super subject.. ride easy.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers you too :0)

[@gunton21]

wise words tmf, my youngest son after passing his test bought, and still has a Honda cbr 500r what a great motorcycle it is, certainly more than quick enough for a new rider. the most important is thing is to get the correct training. bfn.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Agreed!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Very true!

[@sprodrossington4986]

Great advice, I started out with a brand new Honda 125 that I planned to keep forever (and passed my test on), got scared after being cut up on a dual carriageway by fecking caravans so graduated to a (restricted) ER5 (secondhand), then after a year, I got a restricted Honda CBR600F (the all-rounder), last of the carb models. Despite being restricted it would do over a ton (indicated, on private roads). After being de-restricted it did an amazing job. If I hadn't found the one bit of ice in the country on a December day a few years back I think I'd have kept her. Find the bike and riding style that suits you and go with it. There is no reason to go to the big bikes for speed. I have a BMW 650 and a Bandit 1200. The BMW I can chuck around, the Bandit still worries me. Ride safe and enjoy.

[@samuelgillard2196]

Good advice TMF. I started by buying a Kawasaki ER6-F and it served me well while learning the skills of motorcycling. After 2 years I went out and bought a Yamaha FZ1, it certainly satisfied my craving for more power! In hindsight, the best bike I've ever owned.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...I very nearly bought an ER6f as my first bike, but the XJ6 won me over on the test ride due it's creamy four cylinder smoooooothness... :0) Loads of second hand bikes like these available, defo the way to go if you're a new rider I reckon....

[@samuelgillard2196]

+TheMissendenFlyer Yeah, the XJ6 was on my list too but Kawasaki just couldn't be beaten on price; £4050 for a brand new bike! Absolute bargain.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

You did better than me! That certainly would have swung it!

[@huwjohn9930]

Excellent advice, I’ve been riding for twenty years, several of my friends have recently passed their test, my advice to them was to buy a second hand bike that they wouldn’t get bored with within a year, I steered them gently towards Kawasaki Z750, Fazer 600’s etc all around the 2 grand mark, so they can save for the big one once they’ve learned how to ride properly. Loving the channel, keep up the good work 👍if you’re ever in South Wales, will buy you a cuppa and a cake !

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Huw!

[@dullen87]

I have gone through imo alot of bikes in my 3 years of riding. My first ever bike was a Yamaha XV Virago 750. My god cracking the throttle on it was dull. But not at first, but I outgrew it very fast. not even 50 hp on that horse I think, but it also let me learn to ride. The next ride was a Triumph tiger 955i. Geez that power difference! 105 horsies versus 50! But it was a calm horse, Steady torque and decent comfort. After that I went to a smaller size, MT07 and then a 09 Tracer. For different reasons I sold them, couldnt make up my mind and ended up now with my beloved 1190 Adv . Love it to bits. Enough engine to go to mars, comfort to go the world and looks to make me stand out forever. Absolutely love it! I also understand now what I love about riding, dirt and gravel! and some touring ofcourse! :D Love the channel TMF

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

+Dulf Nordensvärd Thanks for writing Dulf - good to have you aboard - TMF

[@FLY--wy2yi]

TMF, will forward this video to my 19 year old son who will be taking a motorcycle training course for his license in a few weeks. There are no steps here in the US so you only need to pass a road test once and there are no restrictions on what bike you can ride. He has his heart set on a used Triumph Scrambler but we will see. I'm glad he's not interested in a sports bike because there are way too many teenagers riding around on Ninja 1000's with little to no experience. "weapons" as you pointed out! Good video with lots of sound advice! Safe riding sir!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Fly-4202 - You wouldn't fly an F16 two weeks after your first solo would you! ....wow the thought of a new rider on a litre sports bike - nasty....

[@samrowland5838]

Thumbs up for another excellent video....I started out on a 300CC 2-stroke Yamaha street bike, then a 500CC 2 stroke Kawasaki 3 cylinder, then a Honda 550, then 1000CC Kawasaki shaft drive w/ full fairing and "luggage". Now I ride a BMW R1200RT and ride both daily around town and touring...

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

So you're obviously a fan of the "start small and work up" approach then Sam - good stuff...

[@welshgreezmunky]

I returned to biking after a decade break, buying a CRF250L for commuting. It was quickly upgraded with FMF exhaust & fuel controller, but after 7000 miles and 10 months it got boring! I think re-learning my biking skills on a low powered bike was the right thing to do but as you point out a low power bike will often be just a stepping stone.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Exactly - although I still love my CRF ;0) ...that said I wouldn't want it as my only bike....

[@1970dashj]

I bought a Kawasaki versys 650 after passing my test and im more than happy with it

[@paulscotcher647]

Agreed! I bought a Honda CBR 1100 a while ago.I was intimatated by that machine when i first saw it even though I owned a Honda CBR 1000 a decade earlier. I took the 1100 out for a test ride and was very respectful of what I was riding.Also not my property. I bought it tho.Took me 5 mins to get used to it. Then I put it through its paces...

[@ryanodonnell6748]

Hey Paul... I like some of your comments..... I'm 39 and I've driven for years but now I want a motorbike.. My Best friend has had big powerful sports bikes for years... Just now he has a Hayabusa and a YAMAHA R1 which I've enjoyed having rides on the back but now I want to experience that sheer power for myself but I'm really aware I don't have the experience of that sort of power, So I've been thinking start of with maybe a 250cc ???

[@garethsmith1436]

Bought a 2nd hand XSR900 for first bike. Lots of people advised against it but with modern electronics such as ABS and Traction Control its manageable for someone new. Rode it in B mode for the first few months and now comfortable in Std and A mode. If anything I'd advise someone bought this over a 600cc 2012 model with no electronics included. More likely to come a cropper on that.

[@IndependentVictor]

Just about the best put together video on the subject. Well done sir. You earned a new sub!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Welcome along!

[@rogerkay8603]

Started on a Suzuki GP100 in 1987, in 12 months was on an RD250LC, then a Honda CB250RS, Yam RZ250LC, Yam TZR250, Suzuki GSXR400, Yam FZR600, Yam SZR660, FZR600R, MT03(660), TRX850, VTR1000, RD350LC YPVS, TRX850, VTR1000, SV1000S, BMW F650CS, XSR700 + 390 Duke, and each one has taught me things, and as I get older my ego relaxes and I no longer want/need a 1000cc sportsbike. Bikes are my sole form of transport (wife has the car) so I ride all year round - get used to riding in the rain/wind/snow - avoid ice!

[@koolade76]

Looking at a Ducati scrambler 800 as the first large-capacity bike ridden in the past, got arthritis in my lower back and one doggy hip so something with a low seat for exploring and the odd touring is all I need.

[@Shawnlalond]

Started out in the 80's on an XT500. Loved the bike even thought it took a while to feel super comfortable. Rode my friend's 250 XT at the time and enjoyed it also. Would have prefered the 250 at the time. Start small with what is comfortable and work up. Learn the road and learn about motorists! Spend saved money on your personal protection. Agree with a lot of comments here. Good advice.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

+Shawn Lalonde Thanks Shawn...

[@knockitoffhudson3470]

Doesn't matter what you get you'll love it and still want a bigger one in a month.

[@Pen15UK]

I agree to start small and work up. I did my CBT and jumped on a 125 for about 18 months. I then had the skills and experience to do my test and did it on the 125. As a result I was restricted to 33 bhp for 2 years so was on a 250cc bike. When 2 years was up I went to 600cc then 800cc and now on a 1200cc. Learning skills and experience all along.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good man! Still here to tell the tale which is the key thing here!

[@joshuafergusonrc7939]

I thinking of getting a honda cbr500r as my first motorcycle. I been riding 125cc moped for 3 years and I like to move up.

[@tomsgorky3617]

I did my solo touring last month 1200 km with Vespa LX 150 for 3 days in Java island, Indonesia. It was awesome. With around only 80 km per hour in average, I enjoyed the surrounding, Local food and scenery.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

+Toms Gorky Wow, sounds like a great trip!

[@garyjamessilva]

"Start small and work upwards" is also a great way to not to miss out on the incredible fun of smaller bikes. Back in the day I started with a Ducati 500 twin as my 1st owned bike which handled so well and was probably more fun than anything I've had since, even current Ducati 959. It's not always the case that bigger is better, in terms of riding skill the folks I ride with are actually ranked in reverse order, the best rider is on smallest capacity bike with good and lesser skilled riders on progressively larger capacites. On the road you'll also get too experience ~100% of what a smaller bike can do and not just the ~50% of what large capacity bikes are capable of.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Interesting that isn't it - Doesn't surprise me, I have bags of fun on my Honda 250, I never feel I'm missing the 150bhp of my Ducati when I'm on it...

[@cliff8675]

I agree completely. I started at 18 with a 1979 Honda CBX. Six cylinders of pure 1000cc temptation, pick up the front tire through 3 gears and top 100 MPH with no effort at all. Somehow I survived that and now 30 years later I'm looking to get back into bikes with a 600-750 CC bike to start. I'd like a 1200 RT or GSA (2nd hand) if the budget can support it, but I'm not going to lift the front tire through three gears any more (ok, maybe on the GSA just once) and I have 2 riding schools picked out to help me get back into a safe mindset on the pavement. If I was starting today (and a lot younger) a second hand 300-600CC bike would be about perfect.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Cheers Clifford - glad we concur and best of luck with finding a new bike - exciting times!

[@meuk1183]

Very wise words of wisdom. In the 1980s most of us cut our teeth on mopeds (FS1E, AP50, SS50 etc). This was the perfect introduction to motorcycling. Then we mostly opted for a 250cc learner bike (CB250N Super Dream in my case which I passed my test on in 1981). My path to larger capacity bikes was Suzuki RD400, Honda CX500 then a Suzuki GS850G. These days I own a Suzuki GSX1250 FA which I love dearly. I lost 3 friends during this period riding bikes ! My advice is..... start small and gradually increase engine size as you go.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...wow having lost 3 friends you know first hand how important it is to work your way up, thanks for sharing your story Neil and for watching of course. All the best - TMF

[@meuk1183]

Yamaha RD400 ..... silly me

[@meuk1183]

Todd Sadler Full list: Simson S50 B1, CB250N, CB250 G5, Yamaha RD400, Suzuki GS400, Honda CX500, Kawasaki GPZ550, Kawasaki GPZ900, Suzuki GS850G, Yamaha XT600E, Triumph Bonneville 790, Suzuki GSX1250 FA. That's my full list

[@douglasmackellar3875]

Totally agree with some of the comments here - budget for gear and a proper lid!! Also, think of what you want to do to the bike; luggage? Crash bars? Touring screen? It all ads up! I bought a cb500x. Fantastic all rounder. Reliable. Well priced and enough power for traveling Canada!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks

[@Boodieman72]

TMF, Which bike you get also depends on how old you are when you buy it. Someone in their 30's + might be more responsible with any type of bike than someone that's 18 years old. My first bike and so far only bike is a Honda NC 700 X

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes, very much agree with that, and no-one can accuse the NC700 of not being sensible ;0) Did you get the auto version or the fully manual BTW? There was a lot of fanfare about them on the launch but you don't seem to hear much about them nowadays....???

[@Boodieman72]

TheMissendenFlyer I got the auto version, which is a dual clutch. There was an extra bolt in the transmission that cause it to be in the shop for over a month after I rode it 100 miles. Put me off buying another Honda.

[@davidbarf219]

Boodieman72 Agreed. I'm definitely more tuned into self preservation at 44 than when I first picked up the keys to my GSX600F at 20. Those were the days - I am lucky still to be here! :)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Oh dear - Friday afternoon bike perhaps? Usually Honda's are bulletproof!

[@Boodieman72]

TheMissendenFlyer That's why I bought a Honda. Next bike will be a BMW R 1200 RT or K 1600 GT/L

[@th3gughy]

Thanks for the video, this is brilliant because of how the reasons are fully explained and supported with examples and every day scenarios. Spot on and practical!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you very much!

[@motocoemenel]

sensible words. I looked at all sorts before getting a 2009 versys 650. glad I went for something mid sized, it's got me around the country, been a weekend therapist and is also a faithful commuter at the same time. it's also stopped me doing some pretty stupid things in my first 18 months, and can be very forgiving when I make mistakes. it'll be a while before I step up to a litre.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad I'm making sense - I think a bike like the Versys 600 is an excellent choice for a first "big" bike - as you say very capable all round but not too reckless.....thanks for watching and for stopping by - TMF

[@mutsad]

I’m considering my options for a first bike and this video has been very helpful. I think it really boils down to the financial side of things and going for a used bike makes the most sense, whether it’s a 600 or a 1000.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

...in which case you’ve missed the main point I was trying to make! Thanks for watching and ride safe!!

[@Mybwain]

I just passed my test on a xj6. I can't believe that anyone would "get bored" on this machine. I think it has plenty of usable power. A good all rounder. I rode a gilera 125 for 3 years and I had fun on it when I wanted to. I just picked the route, maybe with others there too and adjusted my riding style and bam, I was having fun. I would like a fantic 500 calibrano or whatever but even used I can't afford the price. They are rare atm. But at 150 kg and 40bhp I think it's a good time for sure. Any chance of a review from you? You're one of the best of the reviewers I watch.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yep - I rode one last week - review coming soon...

[@cyberjack]

i totally agree, a bigger bike (500+) is a lethal weapon in the hands of a inexperienced rider, and lets face it, after a few years most of us will think we are amazing riders when that's not necessarily the case, and still prone to make stupid mistakes. so am 100% with you on the start small and work your way up to a bigger bike point. and don't be pressured by your friends either into getting something your not ready or comfortable with.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Glad we concur....

[@entee123]

Also sports bikes tend to be very expensive to maintain,don't like sitting in hot traffic,have no luggage capacity and generally uncomfortable...

[@bikersquest]

And theft is more of an issue :(

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Good points all round....

[@granthilditch2563]

Thanks for this. You've just settled a disagreement between my brother and myself. Having passed my test 2 days ago I want a1200cc sports tourer and he used all the same logic as yourself to advise me against it. I hate to admit it but it turns out he is right after all. I'll never let him know though, lol. Cheers G

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

The 1200cc bike can wait until next year, get some miles under your tyres, learn your craft and then you'll appreciate the big bike when you get there...maybe go for one of the Triumph Tiger 800's? They are fabulous machines IMO.....glad to have helped with the argument, sorry you lost it!!

[@meuk1183]

My top first big bikes = Triumph Bonneville 865 or latest 900. These things are comfortable, reliable and easy to ride. The Yamaha MT7 is probably the best value middleweight on the market today and is capable of doing everything well. I ride a GSX1250 FA now because it's a true all rounder and hard to beat for only £8,000 new.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes I had a look at one of those a while back - may not be packed with the latest tech but you can't argue that that's not a lot of bike for the money...a bargain I reckon....

[@standandeliver8376]

Good advice. One thing I'd add for thrill seekers is that I think new riders in particular can have more fun getting the most out of a smaller capacity bike than holding back a more powerful bike. After I'd been riding for about a year I had a go on a brand new Fireblade. It was an awesome machine but it was too much for me. After letting my mate have it back I had the time of my life trying to keep up with him on my SV650.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes very good point and I entirely agree....

[@randomrides]

I agree, start small and work up. Not so much because of the power but also because of the weight of bigger bikes,

[@jess7819-z3d]

Nice video and good advice. I'll show this vid to my son who wants to get his bike licence and a first bike here in Sydney.

[@andrewtofts7884]

Great video again TMF👍 I had a 125 for four months while I did my tests and then went up to a 1050 Triumph Sprint GT; treated it with respect and didn't go mad, so I was fine. Maybe it was because I was in my mid 50s that I had more sense! Cheers, Andy

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

There is something to be said for age I'm sure, although I'm not sure the stats bear me out on that! Well done for still being here Andy ;0) ...I love the Sprint by the way, it was my dream bike at one point and I've yet to ride one - same engine as my old Tiger 1050 though so I know I'd love it!

[@genuinecomments4008]

I passed my test 20 years or more ago and my first bike was a Kawasaki R9 loved it rode it here and abroad to the Bol in Spa great bike. After that an R1 another great bike. Seeing my brother crash twice on his R1 went to a Harley Road King loads of touring but what a bag of cheap Sh*te I now ride a BMW GS There is no easy way , you can either ride or you can’t. Bike riders anticipate situations more than car drivers who tend to drive in some sort of bubble. The better you are at anticipating danger the better you ride. It takes way more concentration than any other mode of transport. We tend to be solitary animals who love to enjoy their own company.

[@williamcrosswell8849]

Totally agree

[@n2pbtudor]

Hi again. I passed my mod 2 and now looking at getting first bike. Credit proving an issue but was going for the T100 black. May have to set my sites lower and older though. Thanks for the great videos I really enjoy them and they have provided great advice, hints and tips. Cheers

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well done Nigel, the T100 is a great bike, perfect as a first big machine...hope you manage to come up with the money (getting expensive motorcycles these days eh!)....

[@PrimoStracciatella]

If you buy a GS1200 or a 1700cc cruiser right away, there's not much to upgrade to. I started on an old Honda CB360 in the mid 80s; a year later I got a CM450, then a 450 Nighthawk, then a VT500. After riding that one for a year I got my first XS650 and I was hooked on that bike! For several years I rode only different XS650s. Then a Virago 750, a BMW K75, an Intruder 800, then a 1400 Intruder followed by several K100RS. If you jump to the top, you miss all the bikes in between, because you don't want to get a 500 after you had a 900, most of the time. Also, working your way up means getting a new (used) bike every year!

[@jimbo1485]

Good advice TMF. I agree. I also had a gs500 as my first bike, now I have a 2012 street triple r. The gs500 was a great little bike! Fantastic to learn on. I encourage new riders to get a bike with abs

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yep I agree - ABS is a brilliant invention on bikes, wish all mine had it....

[@jimbo1485]

TheMissendenFlyer that's the only thing I would change about my street triple.

[@mars0030]

Some interesting thoughts there. I started at 125cc as a commuter and the bike size grew as my interest became more towards leisure and enjoyment. Think I've hit just about every engine category on the way up to my current 1300 ! . Whatever preference as a new starter, there's never been such a fantastic choice to pick from. What a great time time to start out.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

That's for sure - spoilt for choice these days aren't we :0) Happy days.....

[@Millga]

Good advice there. I passed my test exactly two years ago today, and a week later picked up my Street triple R, I've done just over 13k miles now and loved every moment of it, great first bike in my opinion, light to move about and for slow speed manoeuvring and a great engine which really has two sides to it depending how you ride it, great residuals on them too. No intentions of selling it, just need to work out what will go alongside it in the garage :)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I know that "problem" :0)

[@rickyevans3845]

I own a HondaCB500 Sport (with the sports bike seated position) and it's an absolute treat. Pretty fast and a lovely ride. When the time comes to sell it, i will miss it

[@danh9959]

my dad told me to start on a lower cc bike and work up. a cbr400 was my first bike after passing my test, cheap insurance, great little bike to learn on. then bought a street triple after I got a years no claims. doubt I will be getting rid of the street any time soon!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well done Dan, you are a man of great taste and your dad clearly loves you!

[@1ridgy]

Hi Just an update and my thanks for the prompt response to my original query. I asked your advice on which bike to buy with a £10k budget and you rightly suggested the Triumph Tiger 850, nice bike and value for money. BUT... I’ve opted for the Triumph Trident 660 and being an impulsive bu@@er I’ve already ordered it. I think that due to age (I’ve had sports bikes and I’m over them) and the fact I’ve never been astride a bike in eight years (last one being an RSV4 factory). It’s a long wait until delivery in March but now I know how the kids feel on the run up to Christmas. I’m 65 years old and pretty excited about the delivery of my new bike. That was an understatement, I’m VERY excited about it!! Keep the videos coming, I find them really informative and interesting 👍 Merry Christmas to all

[@BibtheBoulder]

Great post B.R. I too was filled with excitement waiting for my new ZZR1400 back in September....then no sooner had I bought it than I caught the pox, after which it started to rain and has barely stopped doing so since...nonetheless, plenty to look forward to in 2021....

[@davemitchell2401]

Wise advice in my opinion Andy, good vid mate and very good points raised which I completely concur with. Keep up the good work.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thank you Dave....

[@paulstaffs718]

I’m 48 and passed my full test 18 months ago, had a 125 for the 6 months prior to that. I brought a Triumph Street Triple 675 for my first bike, and absolutely love it, but when I go into bike shops and say that I’m interested in a 1000cc sports bike, the first thing they say after they find out I’ve been riding for a couple of years is “you will kill yourself on a 1000cc sports bike”. I’ve been learning gradually on my 675, and I feel I’m ready to move up. I’m not a super fast rider anyway, prefer long rides with the missus, and she has a Honda CBR 650F.

[@Medea007]

prefer long rides with the missus?

[@richardplantagenet8090]

Don't buy new until you're comfortable with slow speed manoeuvres and general handling, cos it will fall over and the plastic will get scratched and then there'll be tears. Buy scuffed and scratched, practice, no pressure.

[@tonycollins2394]

Totally agree with the bit about learning to ride, once you have passed your test, one year on and I'm a much better, more confident rider on a second hand hornet 600. I do wonder how I actually passed. Great video as usual, thanks

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Tony - glad we agree!

[@jjnewman65]

A very enjoyable vid Andy. I passed my test in 1985 but I always wanted a HD. I bought a 1200 sportster and my mates and I had a few years of fun together. It wasn’t about speed , just looking hard 😂 Bulldog bash and the Kent Custom Show. Then we all got married! We are now back riding together. I’m now in love with a T100

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one!

[@austinman1234567]

Having just bought a BMW S1000R I totally agree that one wrong twist of the right hand on the throttle can get you into a lot of trouble very quickly (even in rain mode). Compared to a car, or lower powered bike, the rate of acceleration can be intimidating, until you get used to it. One other thing to consider are running costs, including insurance. My premiums took a jump with the S1000R. If you are a new/younger rider you should give your insurance company a call, and check what the premiums will be for the speed machine you have set your heart on.

[@findingneutral426]

austinman1234567 great bikes buddy enjoy! They're very, very easy to ride for a big powerful litre.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes good one austinman1234567 - I meant to mention insurance costs!

[@austinman1234567]

The ease of riding is what sold me on the bike, while still giving me some thrills when needed.

[@toddkoblensky6238]

Age 45 and have only about a year of riding experience. Passed my test and bought a 2003 BMW F650CS with

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

+Todd Kobl Nice one Todd...cheers

[@albertheaton6455]

Great vid again small point to remember is the insurance costs for new and younger riders .Need to get a few years no claims before moving up. Cheers

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes good point and you're not the first to mention it - I did plan to raise that but forgot...doh!!!

[@AmenCornerRider]

Retired after 36 years of teaching and bought a 125 scooter. Lasted less than 1 month. 😝 Took the MSF course and bought a Yamaha FZ-07. In love and ready to move up to the 09 after 1 year. I wish I would have started riding 30 years ago, but oh well, lovin' it now.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Aha!! - ignore my last comment...and yes, biking kind of gets under your skin doesn't it...all the best - TMF

[@Banditmanuk]

Good advice and nice video. My only issue about buying an older second hand lower cc bike is their lack of ABS, locking the front wheel in an emergency situation is so easy for a new rider. When my wife passed her test in 2011 she went straight to a bike close to your heart; a Street Triple 675. Its small light but still good fun, she still rides a Street now, a 2015 model with ABS and hasn't found a bike she likes more.

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Yes good point on the ABS front, I'm a huge fan of it on bikes and wish my Street Triple had it (mine's a 2012 and they didn't add it until the 2013 model year :0( )

[@badasbob4761]

Great video. I have a mate who's looking at getting into riding and I pointed him at your channel - really solid advice. Totally agree with the 600. I got an old Fazer 600 when I started and made all the classic mistakes on that, culminating in my writing it off when I panic braked going round a corner 3 months into my career on 2 wheels. I would not have wanted to make that mistake on something more powerful!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Thanks Rob - I could do with every subscriber I can get!

[@richlfc3604]

Great advice in the video, After a 20 year gap from riding I decide to go for my license and after a lot of KZbin video reviews (mainly about the Honda cb500f), I wanted a low mileage second hand machine to learn my trade on, I eventually bought a brand new Kawasaki Z650 which I'm really happy with, I've had it 7 months now and I thought about chopping it in a few months ago to go for something bigger but after a few careful choice words with myself I've decided to stick with it and keep on learning until i get to the 2 year mark then I'll look into getting the Street Triple RS or R or a GSX750S, during that time I'm going to do my bike safe next month, start an advance motorcycling course with the guys I passed with and upgrade my equipment, especially my HJC helmet which I'm not keen on, even though my maintenance skills isn't all that I'm learning new things all the time about my bike , Ride safe guys!!!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one - thanks for watching - TMF

[@richlfc3604]

I know I'm a little late in asking but have you ever done a review on the Z650? If not could you possible do one, from a starter point of view, because your opinion would mean a lot to us Zed fans .

[@DonutSurfingTheInternet]

I started off my life on a 125cc cruiser. A ton of comfort but no power. Upgraded to a CBF125cc, loving the increase in power. But after passing my test this year (hoping around May) I'm gonna finally splash out on a brand new CBR300 from Honda in Millenium Red. Looks gorgeous, solid brakes (Nisin brakes are always dependable, at least I've thought so on my CBF) and ABS on both front and back wheels for £3999 is a steal. The point of the above? Starting off small and working your way up is a solid approach to riding. Even at the 125 range, it's amazing the difference in power I found between a cruiser and a sport cruiser (CBF isn't quite sport but isn't quite cruiser, ergo sport cruiser!) Nice video as always! I'll own a Panigale...one day!

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

+Matthew “Donutdude” Halsey You're leaning on an open door there Matthew, as you know I completely agree with the approach, you can learn so much from smaller bikes and what's the rush anyway? Good luck with your test, hope it goes well, they do make it hard these days don't they! All the best....TMF

[@DonutSurfingTheInternet]

Heh this didn't age well as I bought a Street Triple R. For anyone reading this, I'd definitely recommend it as a first "big bike", though one thing I'd be mindful of if you buy an older models (mine is '11 plate) is the twitchy throttle. I love it but I've been riding 6 years so I've mastered my craft. But the lightweight, handling, sound and gorgeous looks will turn heads and give you a bundle of fun!

[@trevorbest]

This video's a bit late for me, I've had my current bike for the past 22 years :-)

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Nice one Trev, what have you got?

[@trevorbest]

A '95 Ducati 900SS

[@craigw588]

Nice video been riding a cbr 600f for about a year and a half now feel comfortable on it but love the look of the speed triple 1050 but everyone says it's a right hooligan of a bike

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

After a year and a half on a 600 I think you'll be fine - just take it easy to start with.....great bike the big Trumpet, go for it!

[@bobtaylor5263]

tmf,my last bikes where Honda xl600r and gpz600 but that was 17 years ago.im thinking of getting the bmw1200 like yours but after 17 years without riding a bike your video has made me have a rethink thanks for that

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

Well if you've had lots of past experience you'll probably be OK - you don't forget that stuff, also I'm guessing therefore you're not 20 years old, again with maturity comes a bit of a sense of self preservation. Have you thought about the excellent Tiger 800 range, they feel very like a GS from a riding position point of view and are just that bit less heavy/pokey.....and they have that fabulous Triple of course ;0)

[@arniet1]

That's the best thorough advice! Thx. What would you recommend as an older starter bike for someone with a 29" inseam who wants to do a bit of touring around the Lakes, plus town and motorway commutes?

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

VStrom 650? Tiger 800 maybe??

[@lukejenkinson9937]

I'm 19 and currently just bought the V Strom 250 amazing learner bike for younger riders

[@TheMissendenFlyer]

I agree - I have loads of videos on the VStrom 250 coming up!