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@garicajohnny51116 жыл бұрын
This don’t help me at all i jungle
@monsieurbobblehead38546 жыл бұрын
I once played against a Diana that kept trying to push the wave under my tower, but me, playing Veigar, just held it right in front of the tower and wound up with nearly double her cs throughout most of the game.
@shailasris16695 жыл бұрын
Does it work on WIN.XP ???
@SuicidelG5 жыл бұрын
Nothing loads works like shit
@tommymejiaES5 жыл бұрын
Are you planning to make an updated video with the changes to the minions on the previous patch? I really liked this one, thank you :)
@XXANDERALEXX6 жыл бұрын
I've been playing League for over 4 years and i never noticed that post 20 minutes all the waves have cannons lol
@anasothman38846 жыл бұрын
NextXander this is new only like last year or so, this was done to reduce average game time I think, also they made it if you lose 3 inhibs each wave has two super minions.
@XXANDERALEXX6 жыл бұрын
Oh, first i assumed it was added with the rift visual update or something, at least i didnt miss it for as much as i thought xd
@alveolate6 жыл бұрын
i've played for 8 years and i still haven't noticed this lmao. league changes too much too often and they don't really emphasise any of the changes. even reading patch notes becomes a chore sometimes FeelsBadMan
@Sarberos9096 жыл бұрын
each wave having 2 super minions after all inhib down has been a thing for years
@missedqs45756 жыл бұрын
Gregory Samuel Teo what do u mean 8 years
@dr.j.redacted36795 жыл бұрын
So basically Freezing= only last hits Slow push= kill casters Fast push= kill melee
@felixthefox1005 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that summary is a lot easier to remember
@turboswordsman96935 жыл бұрын
I was wondering do we kill cannons at all???
@heliam_46885 жыл бұрын
@@turboswordsman9693 it's because they are not always there so I think it's like upgrading your ult, do it every time you can
@heliam_46885 жыл бұрын
@@turboswordsman9693 so kill him always
@Crashassin5 жыл бұрын
why dont kill every minion?
@gonzalinator87646 жыл бұрын
When you have to study for a test, and you study this instead.
@muundus74 жыл бұрын
Described me perfectly rn
@ot59364 жыл бұрын
@@muundus7 me too xD
@vinceblas6063 жыл бұрын
Truee
@nobodylol64943 жыл бұрын
The feeling is the same tbh
@kaeyaalberich16053 жыл бұрын
my test is tmr and im studying this 😭😭
@Rajunganclips6 жыл бұрын
my bronze brain can't understand this
@giannisgiannis476 жыл бұрын
Ariel Gemilang Jaya probably because you don't have one
@zorenzki6 жыл бұрын
OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@harrycrab16776 жыл бұрын
You call that an "OHHHHHHHHHHHHHH?" ITS MORE LIKE OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@jahee60736 жыл бұрын
merlin :3
@yusifrady32986 жыл бұрын
Roasting hand activated lol
@gerrymin62986 жыл бұрын
my silver brain tells me to just kill minions
@luizpaulo82206 жыл бұрын
my bronze brain tells me to just kill myself
@branchy71596 жыл бұрын
my unranked brain says riot is introducing iron division soon
@_wayward_4945 жыл бұрын
@@branchy7159 im too nervous to even play blind pick ffs whats wrong with me
@rociopaoloni50805 жыл бұрын
@Silver Grin Dude I was the same until I started playing with a friend. First against bots, then a couple of aram by myself (for some reason they feel safer to play, it can be its random nature and shorter time). After a few weeks I already wanted to play blind by myself because bots were boring at that point.
@_wayward_4945 жыл бұрын
ive been playing bots for almost a year now. Swear to god even online I'm shy and no one can even see me. I just get waaaay too nervous to play blind pick, let alone even ranked
@breebls81676 жыл бұрын
Oh my god... MINIONS DON’T HAVE FEET?!
@abovenbeyond28266 жыл бұрын
Eggplant Edwardson What the hell?
@heartofthefluft85415 жыл бұрын
They have them, just these are hidden to our eyes (?)
@xelitez64385 жыл бұрын
Minions = Pewdiepie confirmed
@thecupcakeconspiracy57695 жыл бұрын
when the only information you learn from this video is that minions don't have feet ^_^
@t3chn0dr0n36 жыл бұрын
Just a friendly advice, don't try to do slowpushing on low elo, unless you're a splitpushing smurf yourself or you're 5-pre. You'll just donate 20-30 CS to the enemy who goes there and your team will take absolutely no advantage.
@Sieni30006 жыл бұрын
Well said dude
@Trajce_Hybrid5 жыл бұрын
Il do it and than solo drake
@V.o.i.d.v5 жыл бұрын
Can you please elaborate? In what way does this affect top? If I'm Jax against teemo and kill casters first, I build up more casters than the teemo, unless teemo kills me and clears. So if I'm Jax against a better matchup that doesn't kill me, say, maokai, and I freeze lane, then slow push, do I still gift him cs if I keep this up for 10 minutes? Because I feel like it honestly depends on matchups, but I'm just silver 4 so I'd love to have this explained in more detail!
@Just4StreamingIG5 жыл бұрын
@@V.o.i.d.v It doesn't affect top alone, in low elo, people don't know when to capitalize, slow pushing will only give whoever rotates to top lane a good number of Cs, Exp and Gold, no one will take advantage of that rotation and thus, causing a loss for you. Let's say you slowpush top lane, the top laner rotates to clear the wave, this makes for a 4 v 5 situation down at dragon or force a fight and take objectives like mid turret or bot turret etc, in low elo, they don't think that, slowpushing will only go to waste and give the opposing laner some freeby. Aside from what is mentioned in the previous comment, the only way that I see it working in low elo is that if you are a hard splitpusher like Udyr, Tryndamere or Jax etc, you slowpush top lane and have someone rotate there, it then opens a window for you to solo an objective like getting a turret or dragon. You can also use it to bait someone who is behind, the person who is behind will most likely rotate to the free minion wave and you can pick them.
@steveempiremantra21205 жыл бұрын
@@Just4StreamingIG what should I do then
@blackink45546 жыл бұрын
Looking at the minions only looks kinda cute lol
@yukooi3 жыл бұрын
I have killed millions oh no
@ptotheetother3 жыл бұрын
I had to rewatch this 10 times cause I started thinking of something else.
@DanielSanchez-py2kz3 жыл бұрын
ADHD
@ptotheetother3 жыл бұрын
@@DanielSanchez-py2kz No, my brain is just super-interesting.
@Orangecatty5 жыл бұрын
Might be a little bit late to the party, but fully understanding each thing mentioned in this video is NOT, at all, that simple and basic. I'm considered a high elo, but I still have to dissect each number to actually understand, and am still learning from this video. For that, thank you for this quality content!
@hiimrem4226 жыл бұрын
I love this series! Please make more league content like this for us players to learn more at the game. And as always quality content from Blitz!
@alveolate6 жыл бұрын
good guy blitz helping bronze/silver promos
@orlandoleibundgut42576 жыл бұрын
5:41 was I the only one who got confused that she said the same thing twice?
@TheRushingTiger6 жыл бұрын
kingdra deck Yea I thought was weird asf
@unclebard39166 жыл бұрын
probably she just said something wrong so she said it again. But the editor forgot to edit it out.
@exebba75236 жыл бұрын
i didnt even notice lmao
@austinkim94026 жыл бұрын
this is like the "the the" thing
@bearyboy90886 жыл бұрын
Nah
@Jothaxify3 жыл бұрын
This is the best wave control guide on youtube. Period.
@blutwirbel31802 жыл бұрын
This is the second time Im watching this video. The first time I listened but only got gibberish out of it. Now, after 50 more hours and waaay too many guide videos referencing wave tactics, I finally got the main parts from this vid
@cheryl98096 жыл бұрын
Wait a minute, minions float? THEY DON'T HAVE LEGS?!
@ronnysantana41555 жыл бұрын
Loooved the table of content with timestamps what a great idea.
@Ikkitousen23236 жыл бұрын
This should be a required to watch vid if You are entering Your B1 to S5 promo.
@xxxEXxxGODxxx6 жыл бұрын
I barely even see this form of minion manipulation in plat - diamond...
@Ikkitousen23236 жыл бұрын
That is the reason for my suggestion mate. Wouldn't You want to see it?
@inhaledflame67546 жыл бұрын
Literally me
@zyronltz74946 жыл бұрын
I Dragonfly I Actually i dont see any in my plat games.. Though there are the occasional few that knows their matchup well and will know how to play against it.
@itspuck94526 жыл бұрын
Im in mid Dia since 4 years and still learned much in this video :/
@ah_o_kay4 жыл бұрын
This vid is almost two years old but so much more ussefull than the vid proguides recently put on.
@smellynigua6 жыл бұрын
Yeah you might understand this but 90% of time your team won't know any of this and just wont listen to you... good luck then
@felixthefox1005 жыл бұрын
This is just really useful to understand what pro teams are doing
@123Coryboy6 жыл бұрын
"This lets your wave to clear throw the enemy minions faster, creating a large wave pushing very quickly" x2
@pawsubly68056 жыл бұрын
For slow pushing, you all forgot to mention how critical it is to successfuly get the objective after setting up the slow push because if you are to fail, you will be losing the xp/gold from your massive minion wave killing all their minions while they will have someone able to catch the huge wave. It's the same concept as taking inhibs and being unable to close out the game. While the info isn't wrong, 9/10 times in SoloQ you just want to fast push a side lane to make sure you don't miss gold/xp because the pressure of a massive minion wave on enemy tower can't be reliably taken advantage of in SoloQ. It's more of a free minion bomb present for the enemy team, while denying yourself. High quality content, if not a little misleading with "high elo" in title. This is mostly basic information.
@Fremder146 жыл бұрын
The only thing that is missing about slow pushing is that it has a huge down side. Creating a slow push gives u pressure in the map, but denies you from farm and experience. Slow pushing forces you to be proactive, because if you don't accomplished anything in that window of time u only managed to get yourself behind and starved.. Slow push is a double edge sword!
@f8ed5564 жыл бұрын
finally. every vid told me what a freeze is but didnt tell em how to freeze
@kilianprietoperal23226 жыл бұрын
You should have mentioned slow pulling, which is the opposiste of a slow push. You can initiate a slow pull, go away to ward or mid lane if you can and then you return for a massive wave while doing something in another place.
@Kirakishuu6 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. Before i watched this at 10 min i have 50 cs or less and now i get 90+
@martinoplaya78056 жыл бұрын
Wow this is actually very good guide, I didn't even know about slow push until now and im mid-plat
@Chris-fe1kx6 жыл бұрын
Garnet Universe I’m plat too and I knew about freezing and stuff but really didn’t know how to control waves.
@pykemain48166 жыл бұрын
And im fcking Gold that knew every minions manipulation, every game I do 7 more kills than deaths, winning 63% of games...and I cant get out to plat because I always get shit teammates on series
@sydneytinaja26826 жыл бұрын
This video is so catchy.good editing
@K4ZA6 жыл бұрын
This video shows once again what makes Blitz Esports special. Their freaking high-quality videos! Keep up the great work!
@medicyukisuna6 жыл бұрын
I'm considered "high elo" and i have absolutely no clue about creep control. I just kill stuff lol.
@jixster15666 жыл бұрын
Then you might not be high elo
@ezrealxshsh54606 жыл бұрын
Nick T its called basic info for a reason. Some players dont think too much abouy their actions, they just play that good unlike bronze
@konstantinjovanovski27546 жыл бұрын
cause u aint high elo lol
@abovenbeyond28266 жыл бұрын
What elo do you consider high elo?
@grantm54956 жыл бұрын
then you probs do well in other areas
@jinhunterslay16384 жыл бұрын
Even though I’m not high elo, one of my biggest frustrations is when my idiot team got baron but decides to go for some dumb team fight that gets everyone killed rather than push a lane.....isn’t that the whole point of Baron modifiers?
@ot59364 жыл бұрын
just give 0 sht about them and push 1 lane, better than joining with those players and lose your buff
@jinhunterslay16384 жыл бұрын
@@ot5936 sadly I'm the support and I always have to look out for the adc and the team in general, so that's not an option. Split pushing is more the top laner's job
@ot59364 жыл бұрын
@@jinhunterslay1638 a support is a very important role create the rhythm for the whole team but in low elo they won't acknowledge that, many pro team have a sp as their leader so they can call for important team fights
@ot59364 жыл бұрын
My suggestion is that you should play top or mid or even jungle to diamond 4 and then you can return to your main position(don't play adc unless you're a smurf since no one gonna care about how important u are in team fights)
@adrielpuello5 жыл бұрын
You're a godsend. I've been looking for tips and tricks that pros know that aren't necessarily common knowledge. Thank you so much!
@redro5624 жыл бұрын
the first wave control guide that i actualy understood. tnx =D
@crimsonskorpio5 жыл бұрын
I'm kinda new to LoL, but this helps me think more about how to deal with minions. I appreciate this video
@amodlol28816 жыл бұрын
I'm diamond and i still dont follow these strats lol
@killerontop74486 жыл бұрын
who cares??
@ironcastox56916 жыл бұрын
you do
@last_survivor51x546 жыл бұрын
John b u salty u what wood5?
@IlVostroNarratore5 жыл бұрын
It's because you don't necessarily need it if you're mid-low diamond It's good to know, sure, but if you're decent at mechanics you can get low D5 without knowing this :)
@CrimsonHazmat5 жыл бұрын
Ikr it's just like, push the lane if you want to, don't if you feel uncomfortable
@lolproclips7926 жыл бұрын
I have never seen your videos, but this is concise and well done.....Kudos to you!!!!
@HunterVook5 жыл бұрын
SWEAR to god i read the thumbnail "High ELO Mind Control"
@arthurk29595 жыл бұрын
Even though I'm relatively new to league (4 months) this was extremely helpful👍
@xpo12206 жыл бұрын
This is what I wanted to learn/figure out for so long ! thanks blitz!
@ClaudioBramby6 жыл бұрын
Great video! It explain perfectly and in a simple way how minions work
@res58786 жыл бұрын
you need a ton of videos like this. this is very helpful.
@renefischer70866 жыл бұрын
I like the video, but it should also be said that the lose of the 5 extra damage to minions in 8.4 doesn't allow midlaners to lasthit with the generic 2 turret shots one auto rule. Some Mages can do it from lvl 3 on, others from lvl 4,5 or even 6. Before those windows it is not possibly anymore, making hartpushing a wave against a mage a living nightmare to them right now.
@tadasvalaitis80896 жыл бұрын
Yep, hardpushin mages now will win midlane even harder because of hard it's gonna be to last hit under tower and mana costly + free harass from enemy mid while as you need more autos on minions if u want prepare to last hit.
@ex_0LL3 жыл бұрын
Excellent guide. Thanks for providing such essential material for free, it's much appreciated.
@IamZanderChen6 жыл бұрын
I neva freeze
@RickyMuzakki6 жыл бұрын
Azarel Azriel Uriel Benjamin Kolaiah Israel nice try monkaS
@IamZanderChen6 жыл бұрын
monkas?
@Masjokdalen5 жыл бұрын
Zander Chen lmfao needed some time to understand that tyrone😫
@darylldavadilla32425 жыл бұрын
hE pOiNtEd tHe gUn tO mE aNd hE sAiD "fReEze" aNd i sAiD tO hIm "bRudDa i nEvA fReEze"
@vanconti60245 жыл бұрын
LMAO HAHAHAHA
@crackerjack9555 жыл бұрын
That moment when you’re trying to implement these but your low elo team doesn’t have a clue what to do to take advantage...
@lolamnesia75096 жыл бұрын
I like guides like this to improve ur overall skill
@Dudemakesense2 жыл бұрын
love the table of content! That deserves a instant like!
@lThellRockl6 жыл бұрын
All these will be learned through experience... Internet is just making things so much easier for new players now... I remember how i used to just count how many shots each minions can take before i need to bail the tower before i get hit by it... Classic Internet.
@RagtimeDandy6 жыл бұрын
Just wanted to say that I thought this was great! I look forward to more informative videos like this one!
@natking1u1z995 жыл бұрын
I've been playing LoL for about a month now. And I've noticed that almost no one uses these lane strategies. Everyone just goes for champion kills and lane pushing.
@dismundi15205 жыл бұрын
The video could literally be done in like 3 min ...Please make another video where you just explain how to freeze a wave and not go on about minions and how much health they have and how much damage they put out!!!
@wumbo61165 жыл бұрын
DISMUNDI you can just skip that part lmao
@sujal15484 жыл бұрын
if you're watching for the 1st time, you never know what's important and what's not. I wish there was a guide channel that explained everything important quickly and not going on and on about useless stuff
@an0nsaiko8906 жыл бұрын
Thanks for posting this and giving a good explanation
@CrimsonHazmat5 жыл бұрын
Tyler?
@arkprince94136 жыл бұрын
being average is less complicated
@shawarmalover736 жыл бұрын
this, this is why i play support and don't have to worry about csing
@juliuskang66936 жыл бұрын
This is so complicated so I play jungle and supp :)
@mariofn49914 жыл бұрын
Omg thank you so much! I actually got so much better and my csing is better too!!! I’ve watched many videos like this but this is the only one I understood thank you so much!!!
@wickdlol6 жыл бұрын
Great video, but it's very basic information and doesn't go into high level tactics.
@nikolatodorovic1686 жыл бұрын
wickd U the OG wickd! Nerf sustain!
@popi-ol9kc6 жыл бұрын
If you care to read the guide we get a little more in depth on the topic our aim was a guide to be used by all and gain some sort of knowledge without going into to much detail since its pretty lengthy to begin with heres a link if your interested docs.google.com/document/d/1rXzeofM54cZHBU1lf46JPzSwE4EbQDEJ7CeqIMpbISc thanks for the feedback much appreciated!
@Mijkami6 жыл бұрын
We have SRO for that
@ChaosEvaUnit6 жыл бұрын
He's just grasping at straws in the fear of fading to insignificance.
@MrBadgerPissed6 жыл бұрын
Isaac Whitehead who are you again?
@brentaltm6 жыл бұрын
Great video, it was very informative and helpful. But I recommend slowing down a little bit cause it's a lot of information to take in at once if you're a new player.
@bobabaggins_6 жыл бұрын
If I took anything from this video it's attack ranged minions slowly to slow wave, attack melee to fast push
@xxItzCam6 жыл бұрын
I’m Gold 2 and I wish people would understand this better . Not being able to have objective control because they don’t want to slow push nor control a wave for a free gank .
@brunozoller40875 жыл бұрын
Then climb up and people will
@yarinaosu6 жыл бұрын
wtf this is so neat and helpful
@williamhobbs42026 жыл бұрын
Misfits were so good at creating pressure against TSM with minion waves and slow pushes, it almost won them one of the games
@Isoldemain3 жыл бұрын
What game exactly? I’d like to watch it
@williamhobbs42023 жыл бұрын
@@Isoldemain I think it was the first match between them at worlds 2017
@Void_Change6 жыл бұрын
*YOUR VIDEO HELP ME ALOT* thanks ❤
@MarcoElBasto5 жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot am gonna slow push the top lane more oftenly now.
@joshheartzel22936 жыл бұрын
thanks this helped me climb from silver to gold
@AdrianR.A5 жыл бұрын
First vid I viewed from u I subscribed already! It's a great tip tnx for makeing such an awesome video!!
@thatthien2506 жыл бұрын
When you always lose the opponent in terms of level, learning to control the minions. Will keep your enemies busy to farm, Or rush the minions quickly so that you have time to support other lane.
@zachwilson84726 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the effort put into this. Great video
@ultralooter5 жыл бұрын
Probs for making this specific and exact!
@samuelluisdelespiritusanto73436 жыл бұрын
Now I know why it's easier for me to play support... I didn't know this earlier
@gabbyeebzie41035 жыл бұрын
Wow this is the exact video I needed! Thank you!!
@matiaserazo69906 жыл бұрын
Quality content as always
@uwuuwu67916 жыл бұрын
i love this chanel,always so gud content 10/10
@camtisxr14306 жыл бұрын
wow didnt knew nothing of this thanks a lot appreciate your hard work keep it up
@logant19906 жыл бұрын
These are all basic stuffs that every Nasus player will learn on their own. ONE THING this video didnt mention is when your lane is pushed and the situation allows for it ( enemy champ just recalled to base or you simply got tanky enough), you want to stop the enemy wave right outside the range of your turret. This will prevent your lane from being pushed back and maintain a large pool of farm and stacks for your Q, WHILE you still remain in the safe zone and easily retreat behind turret if enemy jg ganks
@TheLazar8765 жыл бұрын
True, i honestly was bad at CS and wave manipulation before i started playing nasus, now my average CS is high dia average. Nasus is a great way to learn to play this game.
@CyanCam06 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this, I really needed help
@PonderJutsu6 жыл бұрын
this is so good and easy to digest ty
@jujoe03785 жыл бұрын
3:00 yup that's definetely gonna happen in my silver game first I freeze than the enemy jungler (who doesn't even know what a freeze is) comes in to break my freeze and my jungler "obviously" immediately notices that with his superb map awareness and they pull of a perfect bot lane tower dive.
@divinity24785 жыл бұрын
Literally what i thought as a bronze fella lol i was like most junglers Don't even notice that ur being camped or fighting or that yasuo is literally ALWAYS pushing under our turret
@JoiyGaming6 жыл бұрын
keep in mind freezing lane may be good but you have to sustain the freeze if your waiting to get ganked which can lead to the enemy laner getting poke forcing you to back
@SplashuYumYum5 жыл бұрын
Great video. Well constructed. Thanks
@dakotakade35475 жыл бұрын
Been learning about this stuff in Silver (I have a coach) and I had a great freeze going, and was zoning my enemy really hard. But my jungler wanted to hit 6. So, he decided to come top lane, and hard shove (or in this case, fast push) two entire waves into my enemies tower. Even smited my cannon creep. Fucked up my freeze, let J4 set up his own freeze, and cost me the entire laning phase. But you know, its not my team that makes me lose.
@rypart80876 жыл бұрын
Very informal, you guys earned a sub!
@aristokat98675 жыл бұрын
Wow holy shit, a high elo tutorial i actually understand
@PhaseRushSupp5 жыл бұрын
That female voice makes me more motivated tho it sounds like a cyborg
@aKindred6 жыл бұрын
You guys should make a video explining macro game and why it is more important than micro game, this would help low elo players a bunch
@liquidrope70636 жыл бұрын
The video effects were awesome.. I wish I knew what they did so I can make my videos look more professional
@Lander126 жыл бұрын
Please make more videos like this!!
@lukejbonner3 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial! Thanks
@Yisrael_Teshuvah6 жыл бұрын
This video was helpful and inspirational.
@desktopturtle57855 жыл бұрын
Ty this video was very useful.
@bryce27036 жыл бұрын
There's like 15 videos about minion waves. This one said high elo so I thought it might actually be more advanced. It wasn't. :(
@maartenboender53526 жыл бұрын
ikr, this is litterly basic manipulation
@icepumpkin44846 жыл бұрын
Its for high elo because in this scenarios you have a team to cooperate XD
@monstermushmush6 жыл бұрын
Is there anything more to wave manipulation tho?
@mightykuriboh9066 жыл бұрын
High elo is like silver and gold fam
@user-cj5eu8mi9y6 жыл бұрын
mighty kuriboh *High elo is like platinum and Diamond fam
@anthonydefor16506 жыл бұрын
This vid got me from Bronze 2 to Silver 3 in 2 weeks lol
@darrenblair93166 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. From what I'm understanding fast pushing is meant to accomplish the same thing as shoving; having a large minion wave hit the tower immediately. But why do you only kill the melee minions instead of just killing all the minions? Wouldn't it be more efficient to kill all the minions to minimize the damage your minions take before they hit the tower ?
@V_20772 жыл бұрын
I think it's to give more time for another wave to come so that you have a bigger group on the tower which will do more damage than a smaller group going and dying quicker
@yusifrady32986 жыл бұрын
Great guide ! surely helped a lot
@Kinarmi5 жыл бұрын
Video summary for those who want to learn minion wave management Freezing = enemy minion wave has to have 1 less caster minion than your wave Fast push = kill only the melee minions before you leave the lane Slow push = kill only the caster minions before you leave the lane
@MysticHydra6 жыл бұрын
More of these please
@kasper3696 жыл бұрын
They should teach this in school
@shivisnotreal6 жыл бұрын
For fast pushing, don't you just want to shove the wave? So hit every minion? Let me know lads, thanks
@jakeisrich5 жыл бұрын
Didn’t know that playing games should be this complicated