How to CORRECTLY setup rebound damping (MTB rear suspension Ep.5)

[@jameswilliamjones]

I almost dismissed this video but then realized he’s the only one who actually knows what’ the hell is going on.

[@skibdude]

As a control engineer dealing with PID control and MTB rider this video really makes sense. Wish my teacher showed this video in class to demonstrate the damping term of physical systems!

[@teknology01]

Fox should hire andre he explains better then fox on their website.

[@fatalxty]

spot on!

[@cunning-stunt]

Fox have a Jordi Cortes that explains this better.

[@andrextr]

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[@cunning-stunt]

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[@mario_me_Obelix]

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[@letsgoletsgoletsgoletsgoletsgo]

as a professional photographer for 21 years , this by far is the best video on rebound damping adjustment

[@nickrogers6441]

This is the clearest explanation on this subject that I've seen. Thanks!

[@JohnPalmer49]

Thanks to this explanation, after years of riding, I can finally be confident in setting my rebound dampening.

[@angeldejesus65]

after watching countless videos on how to adjust rear shocks, this video has done the job. it also helped me with the front shocks.

[@andrextr]

+Prince Angel thanks :)

[@pauljohn4441]

Perhaps the most boring presenter that I have ever listened to most intently until the end of his presentation. Thanks for making it simple to understand Andre. Great stuff!

[@ericpeysar396]

This was fantastic. My shock and all the adjustment clicks were just a black box mystery. Thanks for giving me a better starting point than " well whatever feels right brah."

[@CRGT666]

Bought a new bike 4 months ago, and wasn't able to set up the rear shock right, until now. Now I get the dynamic of the shock better. Thank you

[@masonhancock4117]

As a new mountain biker, 2 months in, I am so glad I found this explanation so can get set up correctly from the start. I recently learned how to set my SAG correctly, and it made me feel like I had a brand new bike. I can't wait to get the rebound lined out and ride tomorrow after seeing this. Awesome video!

[@andrextr]

Thanks Mason! Have fun on your bike!

[@Scolecite]

Good video finally someone shows the adjustment while on the bike instead of just talking about it.

[@ryanmb21]

What a great video, I just slowed my rebound a bunch!

[@conradorodriguez9498]

Only the ones that knows a subject can explain it in an easy way. So clear! 🤘

[@sohaibyounus]

I bought a used bike, it took me couple of rides to set the right air in the shock. I thought about setting the rebound but I just ignored it cause it sounded too complex. After watching the curb test I can't wait to set it up. Thank you so much!

[@RGCastro7]

Thank you for a great video with very useful information. I will give this a try tomorrow.

[@davidyee1551]

Thanks for creating this video! This is one of the best videos I've seen to explain how to setup the rebound damping! Good job!

[@andrextr]

Thank you :)

[@edmo1982]

Great and correct correlation between advanced engineering concepts and real life. Everything is accurate and this guy for sure is an educated engineer with very good skills.

[@andrextr]

Thanks again. I'm not an engineer, I'm a biochemist this was just an hobby :)

[@edmo1982]

andrextr you do better than many formal educated engineers. Myself included. Took me years to figure out all these concepts and put them all together. If I ever come to lecture vibrations I'll use your videos.

[@robwasnj]

So happy I found this, been biking for many years but never really understood how to properly set rebound damping short of feel. Going to give this a go once the rain stops.

[@andrextr]

+robwas Happy tuning :) Bye

[@charesign]

Brilliant video with a perfect explanation. I always wondered why there are so many clicks! Thanks!

[@andrextr]

Thanks. Heavy riders need more clicks to slow down rebound (sometimes they are out of range and the shock is still to fast even in slower click). The opposite is also true for very ligthweigth riders

[@michaelharrington6372]

Excellent video, I like the in depth explanations using math. My bike's rear suspension is working much better now and I understand why. Thanks and keep up with the tutorials.

[@andrextr]

Thanks :)

[@Christian_Call]

This was a great video. It had all the same steps and procedures as other videos, but you did a much better job of explaining how and why than others have. I will be forwarding this one on to my new mtb friends when they ask how to set up there suspension. I have watched several of these and this has by far been the best one! Thank you!

[@andrextr]

Thank you my friends! Its a 5 years old video but its my most viewed one :)

[@no_handle_required]

Best explanation for rear rebound I've seen. Thank you.

[@GLAProducer]

Thank you Andre, you are a light bearer to us rider. Manuals really don't tell anything about tuning for normal people like us. :)

[@hgrenadegames]

I have been riding for over two years now pretty aggressively and I have always wondered why there is no easy answer for rebound setup. problem solved! thank you

[@MrEnfelmo]

Very useful...one of the best tutorials I've come across. Straight to the point & concise. Thank you.

[@andrextr]

Andres Rodriguez Thanks :)

[@neildonovan735]

What a great video. Best explaination of mountain bike suspension I've seen. Thank you

[@tekjim]

using your video I have retuned my rebound. I previously set it as fast as possible without it being unstable but now found it requires about 25% slower to avoid oscillations. just went for a ride through super rough trails and the bike handles much more stable now!

[@andrextr]

+tekjim Nice. On a very bumpy/rocky trail you can increase a little bit the rebound speed from the non-oscillation point. So, you end up with just a minor tiny oscillation. Bye

[@tekjim]

+andrextr yes I reached the non oscillation point then added 2 extra clicks to make faster. it is perfect now!

[@andrextr]

Nice to know that! Now go shred some trails :)

[@Anto_Levo_Mtb]

I assume the theory for rockshock.... including 3 clicks. best video I've seen at explaining. great work

[@nathansisson8049]

Man thanks for this video! It's the best one I've been able to find explaining what I'm looking for and how to set that up.

[@Ghostina1]

WOW Thats is a full and complete Review which every rider needs to understand. Can you pls do that kind of video with Low Speed Compression ???

[@andrextr]

Check this one kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5vUnWShet2peac

[@shanewilson3980]

Thank you for thoroughly yet simply explaining how to adjust rebound..great work, keep it up !!

[@andrextr]

Thank you :)

[@Carecovzki]

A minha Pitch depois de ajustada por este homem mudou como da noite para o dia com melhorias bastante notórias na estabilidade da bike e leitura do terreno. O rebound estava rápido demais para o mim o que provocava leitura irregular do piso, além de me fazer disparar demasiado a traseira da bike no takeoff em saltos. Amplificava assim o kick de alguns deles geralmente acabando por me fazer aterrar demasiado com a frente da bike e em desiquilibrio. Thanks pela partilha dos conhecimentos e pela divulgação do conteúdo dos videos. Vou estando atento a tudo ;)

[@andrextr]

For the non-portuguese speakers, what Carecovzki said is that both he and his friend had a very fast rebound speed, and after performing the method of the video, their bikes performed much better now, with more traction and overall stability, including on jump takeoffs (no landings with front wheel). :)

[@mjojrjr6231]

I've added this to my list, very well explained setting up of Rear shocks rebound.

[@hTAAR1]

This finally made rebound make sense to me! Great video and explanation

[@jeffbeck1100]

Great stuff.Its always been a grey area for me.Can't wait to try out your method.Thanks.

[@GlassGenius]

I learnt a lot from your video. Thank you. Regards from Wellington, New Zealand.

[@andrextr]

Thanks Nicholas :)

[@CobraKyle]

Appreciate the in depth info! I kind of just set mine in the middle and went for it. Now I can try to get it a bit more accurate.

[@andrextr]

+Cobra Kyle Thanks! The number of clicks will depend on shock air pressure which in turn depends on rider weight. The heavier the rider the more clicks will need (towards slowest position). And this is why shocks have an adjustable rebound instead of a fixed setting. Good rides! Bye

[@Vlapstone]

Great!!! Finally a great explanation.

[@andrextr]

Thanks ! :)

[@ivanmoreli9321]

One last good and useful tip: TAKE NOTE of the number of klicks.

[@andriy_moskalyk]

Thanks a lot for extra clear explanation of how to setup rebound. The only question I have, what about high speed rebound setup, how to set it up? Can u make a video about that.

[@neil8288]

Great video...I am going to see how close I guessed the rebound on my Pivot 5.7 rear suspension as I had no idea how to adjust it

[@ColinBarling]

Best Way I Have Seen So Far How To Adjust My Rear Shock Cheers Heaps Mate Legend. My Bike Feels Way Better Since Following Your Video. A BIG THUMBS UP.

[@andrextr]

Thanks Colin!

[@ColinBarling]

Your Welcome I Do Mixed Kinds Of Riding And It Fills Way Better Then It Ever Did Well Worth It Watching This Video Well Made Mate.

[@TrIpMo1981]

Andre I subscribed when I finished watching. This is the best video on youtube for setting up your rebound. I wish I could give you more likes!

[@andrextr]

Thanks my friend 👍👍

[@baileyromp380]

Just improved all my trail times, great video thankyou! Very informative.

[@spankymangler]

Thank you, great video ! Made it easy and simple to understand

[@jaroslavkubacak3089]

very good channel man! Its lot things i dont know about my suspension and your videos helps me:)

[@BlueSkies123456]

best explanation I've seen, thanks

[@Bigsbeee]

Where are you now Andre ? Very well explained, much pleasure from your video's..Thank you.

[@leeshepherd7197]

Thanks good easy explanation will set my rear rebound now

[@MrGusty101]

dude, your videos are amazing! keep it up!

[@jimmco46able]

Wow that is a clear and easy explanation to set up the rear susp. thanks a lot !! Muchas gracias !!!

[@andrextr]

De nada! Un saludo :)

[@garrettlandon]

Well done! Thank you for the easy to understand explaination!

[@andrextr]

Thank you Garret :)

[@bgeorgeashton]

Finally an explanation that I understand! Very well done!

[@ivanmoreli9321]

Obrigado portuga!!!! Me arrebentei na trilha por ter rebound incorreto!

[@andrextr]

Eheheh muito bom :)

[@davewalsh8278]

Very well explained, thanks

[@0ntoowheels]

Love you videos! Clear and concise explanations!

[@caturindrasukmana7673]

best rebound explanation video ever. Good job mate!!

[@jpobz4129]

very informative Andrextr☝🚲👍👍👍

[@miskolabor]

Thanks a lot mate. 3Y of fighting with my Anthem x4, and after that explanation, bike riding makes me happy guy :D

[@GMC1004]

Crystal clear, thank you very much!!!

[@justsayin3600]

I like the explanation. Very easy to understand.

[@andrextr]

Thank you

[@johnpettinger]

Really great video!! Best explanation I've found. Thank you. Keep up the great work.

[@andrextr]

+John Pettinger thank you John!

[@PhBenz]

Very useful and easy way to setup rebound. Than you very much. Could you please make the video about suspension forks?

[@andrextr]

Do you mean about the Rebound in the fork? I addressed that on the final part of the video. There is no easy method to tune the rebound of the fork (in opposition to the curb method in the shock). You need to tune it by "feelings", which is not very scientific, but the good part is that the fork rebound has more room to play and to error (it's not so critical as the shock rebound). However, as I said at the end of the video, I suggest you to bounce on top of the bike and find a rebound speed at the fork that matches with the rear shock, or even a bit faster. The bike has to feel balanced between front and rear. Bye :)

[@lees8024]

That was a great video can't wait to try this out, very well explained. Thanks

[@lees8024]

Well it works, I am a heavy rider 16 stone riding natural trails. I had to go full slow. Took my bike out over lunch for a quick test Worked a treat feels like a different bike. THANKS 😊

[@patrickfiore7067]

So appreciative for a fantastic explanation! Thanks man!

[@joakimwasseng8217]

Thanks, that was very useful and informative. Excellent!

[@kraisydave]

Excellent and very needed information! Thank you!

[@hfe1833]

laymans termn explaination and technical, very good

[@peterdurnek3683]

i agree with guys bellow you explain it by far very best . you have knowledge and can tell it rly well

[@hyw079]

You really broke it down for me. Thanks!

[@stevenmcnally108]

thanks it helped me when I go on rocky terrain

[@Morehills840]

I learned a lot with that video. Thank you.

[@andrextr]

For those that have a shock with 2 rebound settings (high and low-speed) check this video at minute 9:00 ( kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5vUnWShet2peac ). This might not be the best way to do it, but I believe it's a good starting point, at lest it's a balanced way to do it, without going into extreme settings. If you want to try it tell me if it worked well for you.

[@jcanabieza339]

This really helped me ride fast and stable. Thanks alot!

[@andrextr]

+June Cesar Anabieza Great!

[@cheewooi81]

Does the setting of air pressure affect the rebound setting? This is the best video so far I've seen on setting up shock and fork. At least it's more practical way of judging the critical rebound setting.

[@andrextr]

Yes, the greater the air pressure, the more rebound damping you need to slow down the spring extension. Bye and thanks :)

[@MilkBone3327]

👍🏼, great explanation, I understood. Haha. I would assume plus size tires with varying tire pressures would wreak havoc on finding the right setting.

[@KristjanFarrugia]

Thanks fot this mate. Everything makes so much more sense now!!

[@lsoliscr]

The best explanation! Thanks a lot!

[@obi-wankenobi9871]

+Andrextr I am following you for a few years now and still wonder why you have "so few" clicks on your videos. They are very insightful.

[@andrextr]

I guess the videos are too technical for the majority of riders. :)

[@scottjelleyman]

best explication ever. thank you

[@DarkpowderUK]

Great video, thanks. You have a comprehensive way of presenting this information, while still keeping it simple to understand. One question for anyone here. "Clicks-out" as described on bike setup vendor pages as a "starting point". How come Fox and Rockshox seem to have a different explanation of each. Is it always "clicks-out" from fully open (fully-anticlockwise) or clicks out from fully closed (clockwise). I assue the first, though there is a discrepancy online as to the difference with these two vendors.

[@andrextr]

Suspension vendors don't have clicks recommendations for shocks, they only have for forks. That's because the shock setting will depend on the leverage ratio of a particular frame. Usually only the frame/bike vendor has that clicks recommendations for the shock (on the bike manual). Anyway, if you are confused just remember that heavier riders need more rebound damping due to the higher spring rate (they need more clicks towards the slow rebound). So, if the clicks number increase along rider's weight then they are counting them from the fastest position. Bye

[@DarkpowderUK]

Thanks andrextr for taking the time to reply. Your answer confirms this detail from a manufacturers website. Here i imput two weight figures, 80KG and 110KG as an example. 110KG - 99PSI 1 click out - Fox Performance 36 TALAS FIT4. 110KG - 290PSI 2 clicks out - RockShox Monarch Plus RC3 DebonAir. 80KG - 71PSI - 6 clicks out Fox Performance 36 TALAS FIT4. 80KG - 220 PSI - 3 clicks out - RockShox Monarch Plus RC3 DebonAir.

[@andrextr]

+DarkpowderUK In that case they are both starting from the slowest rebound (highest damping ++). Anyway with the video's method you can set up correctly the rebound for any shock for any bike for any base tune, without memorizing the numbers of clicks... Bye

[@castrokid1]

Muito Bom, Obrigado André pela bela explicação e video.

[@pallene7450]

thanks for the video. very helpful. cheers.

[@chtubing81]

That is one great video. Thanks man.!Very good explanation.

[@dariusdamonte4685]

Andre, why do you do the curb test sitting down? I just found my critical dampening and reduced HSR and LSR two clicks counter clockwise on my X2. It was perfect. Then I reduced them one more click and had too many oscillations, however, I noticed that when I did the curb test in an "attack position" and the rebound was spot on. You make great videos, I have watched many of the several times and have told all my riding buddies to check you out. Thanks Andre.

[@andrextr]

Hi. I suggest seated mostly because to eliminate the interference from your legs acting as suspension, so it makes more consistent. Also because most of the time on the bike for most riders is seated. But yes, you can do the way you prefer. This test is just a starting point for anyone to quickly setup any bike.

[@utubeit100]

Great, simple explanation.

[@suddenkancho4968]

Props to this guy cuz he seemed to misspell "tuned" by writing "tunned", but he also pronounced it "tuNNed"... so, ..yeah. I guess he is correct. ;D

[@kim00gibson]

Thanks for the video. This is the best video about setting rebound in the rear shock. Should I use the same method for the front suspension?

[@andrextr]

At the end of the video I spoke a bit about the front suspension. It's a more "feeling" method. But the rebound of the front suspension is not so critical, you have more room to play. Bye

[@adambessolo6166]

Thank you for this. It would be very helpful if you could update this video for the new high and low speed rebound settings. Thanks

[@andrextr]

Adam Bessolo Check episode 7 at minute 9:00 (tuning tips).

[@cryalowicki]

First off, your explanation on how to set rebound damping for the shock is the best and most logical I've come across. Bravo! But can you explain setting fork rebound in a little more detail? You say it should be faster than the shock, but are there any metrics on how to decide how much faster? Is bracketing the best way to find the correct rebound? I find bracketing to be extremely time consuming and difficult to accomplish correctly. It might be the best way for pro riders with factory suspension support but not realistic for the average or even above average rider.

[@andrextr]

+Cory Yalowicki Thank you! Unfortunatly there is no "scientific" or quantitative method to tune fork rebound. However, fork rebound is less important than rear shock rebound, so you have a wider usable range. The way I tune is to pump on top of the bike, and find a fork rebound setting that is at least as fast as the rear wheel. Your front and rear rebound must feel balanced. When pumping the bike if you feel the rear shock rebounding faster than the fork you need to increase fork rebound speed. Sorry, this is the best I can explain... You have to try and test :) But don't worry too much with fork rebound, just leave it a bit faster than rear wheel. :) Bye

[@cryalowicki]

+andrextr Thanks for the quick response! I'm resetting rear shock rebound on all my bikes as we speak :)

[@andrextr]

Eheh nice :) Stay tuned for the next episode. I will show you an awesome and inexpensive method for free suspension data acquisition and I will apply that to analyse rebound & curb test, flat landings and pedal bob... :)

[@lukaskvarc]

Why do you have to be seated for the curb test? We ride our bikes in a standing position most of the time. Great videos btw!

[@joviallmountain2676]

This is the question i was looking for. Still not answer...

[@Zmack3d]

Very helpful, thank you for taking the time to assembly this video ;).

[@roberthamilton1301]

Thanks for the video 👍🇦🇺

[@shustypl]

best explanation I've seen, thanks!

[@jasonkirksmith2963]

Great video. Very helpful

[@LazyGrayF0x]

Excellent explanation, thanks a million!

[@clownpnd]

Thnx, awesome explanation!

[@danielcanales3079]

Hmm I think that indeed, a slow rebound can give you more stability; but anyways, a fast rebound can help you doing higher jumps, for example when there are litte bumps on the ground; and make cycling more fun probably 😊

[@poguemahone5476]

This is a very clear and easy to use tuning method for the rear however I disagree about having front damping slower than rear. In my opinion the front rebound damping should be very close or equal to, but never slower than the rear. The reason being that taking off from the lip of a jump, a slower front causes the chassis and rider to rotate forwards in the air leading to nose heavy landings or OTB crash. You compensate for this naturally by leaning back more but then your biased too rearwards with your weight overloading the rear on landing. Better to land evenly 50/50 than possibly bottom out rear which then pitches your weight forward. You also are prepared for the next trail event sooner not having to adjust your body position back to neutral.

[@andrextr]

+Pogue Mahone Yes, but that's what I've said in the video. Probably didn't explained well. The front should be equal or ideally slightly faster than rear (never slower).

[@poguemahone5476]

andrextr sorry I thought you meant slower front!