How to Exploit Prop Firms with Simple Math

[@IPDATrader]

Hello everyone! Thanks for the feedback on the video. Here is a download link to the PDF File. It contains everything that you need to know, in order to potentially execute the Arbitrage effectively. LINK: pdflink.to/ipdatrader-arbitrage/ I see you in the comments section. 👀👀

[@julianaugustorodriguez1290]

Thank you! I will be waiting for it!

[@IPDATrader]

@@julianaugustorodriguez1290 It's there!

[@julianaugustorodriguez1290]

@@IPDATrader Thank you so much!😉

[@greymindedguy]

well, a few points. Since we're getting purely hypothetical, it's worth noting that this strategy can technically take infinitely long to work out. Simply because the arbitrage is not bound to work on a single account every time. Let's say we're working with two account A and B. The first arbitrage works in the favor of account A, but the second arbitrage can obviously work in the favor of account B. This zigzag pattern can continue forever, which basically means that this whole strategy (although works on paper), can take very long to actually get to the payout phase. Actually, since we're trading with equal SL and TP, the chances of a zigzag equity curve for both accounts A and B is is larger than any account reaching profit target of evaluation stage. So I wouldn't say it's a loophole because I think it's quite unlikely that anyone has the mental capacity to follow this route.

[@rares0128]

it's a 50/50 shot every trade you take. sure, it may take a few tries but it won't be an endless zig zag lol.. first trade has a 50% chance to win on account A, after that it has a lower chances for account A to win again, but it will happen. You don't need 100 trades and it's definitely doable on paper. The issues may be with the data provider that the firms use. One could trigger your trade at a certain price, while the other gets you in slightly lower or higher. Same with profit/SL. You'd have to actually test it and see what are the execution issues you run into, but on paper this is brilliant Update: it doesn't work. when you lose 4% on a trade, you only gain 3.9% on the winner due to commissions and spread. You would end up losing an account while the other one sits at about 9.6% profit instead of 10%. It's a great concept in a world where commissions and spreads don't exist, but in the real world it ain't this simple. Good try though

[@greymindedguy]

To anyone thinking that "we can use arbitrage to pass the profit target in one single trade in one of the two accounts. It doesn't have to be multiple trades." Well, it kinda has to be multiple trades to reach the profit target. All these prop firms have rules against gambling behavior, and passing the evaluation stage in one single trade falls into gambling category

[@greymindedguy]

@@rares0128 Theoretically speaking, it CAN take forever for any of the accounts to reach the profit target. The actual time it takes for anyone who's going down this route obviously varies depending on trade frequency and risk per trade. If anyone wants to find out exactly if it's any better than pure 50/50 gambling on a single account, more in depth calculation is needed to verify it.

[@angus3963]

@@rares0128 Not entirely true on the doesn't work, if you only let the winner go to 10 pips sure, but if you know who's winning on such a short spread then let it run a few extra pips longer to cover trade fees, this is where the person executing would need some clue on position management.

[@praisefx7642]

It won't work 20 pips can be stopped out easily even if you arbitrage

[@mihaibodrug8949]

1) 20/80 split so 6450-20%+450(refund)=5610 2) fees, there won't always be 2 trades before you win the first acc, let's say you win on first acc then on the next trade you lose on this acc so now both of them are break even but you lost money due to fees, mathematically this can really only go for 5-6 times at fifth time the chance is only 3.125% and 6 th is 1.6% 3) i don't even know if this works, i'm sure they have some sort of rules in place to prevent arbitrage even if you use 2 different iP addresses or 2 different identities i'm not sure if you'll be allowed to do this

[@OS-yg9fr]

everyone trying this is unprofitable and still looking for shortcuts 😂 my advice: give up trading NOW lol

[@buttaflyski]

Give up prop firms, just invest and hold

[@IPDATrader]

This has nothing to do with profitable/unprofitable. You should probably ask yourself... What is the goal of trading? Exactly... So how you get there, it doesn't matter as long as it's making money.

[@valicojo5291]

Yeah because you watch you tube videos when you are profitable. Stop hating man, if you have a contribution to make than fine if not.. scroll past.

[@OS-yg9fr]

@@valicojo5291 Profitable traders aren't allowed to watch KZbin videos? Videos related to the industry? Yeah, you're cooked 😂 Dummies call everything hating these days.

[@valicojo5291]

@@OS-yg9frdummy here, good luck in your journey buddy.

[@garymapp660]

Excellent very helpful. Passing challenges seems more difficult than trading a live account.

[@patmontes2]

Place the trade long/short on previous daily high or low or previous 4H high or low to make sure you win one side with higher probability

[@valicojo5291]

There are few details missing here, commission and spreads is a killer, most prop firms have big spreads and commissions. If you zig zag your winning trades ( win on A acc then win on B acc) the spreads and commissions will eat you up. On the other hand if you chose a company with 10% Dd and 8% target you have 2% extra as buffer for those commissions and spreads.

[@IPDATrader]

It is a fair point, but not relevant enough to not make it viable. Achieving 2x winning trades on a single account by pure chance is not hard. So the "zig zag" you mention is almost irrelevant. You can always try with smaller and cheaper account challenges. If it works for you, then scale up. The risk involved is very little that way. But obviously, there is risk as with anything in life.

[@valicojo5291]

@@IPDATrader most of YT influencers who got founded millions used this method ,it’s been around for a while , and I know the prop firms are trying REALLY hard to find a way to flush this style of trading out, i presume is the main reason why the go tits up. I will say 20-30% of prop firm traders currently use a variation of this method.

[@armendonatossian9030]

I found this video to be very helpful. It opens your mind to find different ways of looking at things. Thanks for your time and effort.

[@IPDATrader]

Glad it was helpful!

[@tomb5014]

This is brilliant, it should work quite well

[@malacara2]

I think all strategies are valid, I would like to give this one a try, thank you!

[@IPDATrader]

Thanks! I will post the PDF Files as soon as possible!

[@angus3963]

You also need to factor in the profit share % to final payout. Very interesting edge hehe 🤔There are some refinements that could possibly be made to this, I wonder if you have them already documented.

[@IPDATrader]

Good point! Completely forgot to mention that in the video. But even factoring that in, still remains hugely profitable.

[@yassinemorev9109]

You should take trades in london open 1AM EST time to avoid getting stuck in a range and having to pay swaps for leaving trades open until next day, and preferably a prop which has zero spreads and zero or very low commissions, if commissions are not zero a way to minimize commisions is by enlarging your SL/TP pip count (10 or more pips each)

[@IPDATrader]

Yes, that is something one has to consider. When and why are the trades being entered.

[@luisfelipeacunarivas7538]

Great strategy , is time to print money 🎉

[@IPDATrader]

Check the pinned comment!

[@leboinnocentkininza7131]

Hi IPDA your diehard, South African fan(subscriber)here💝...to be honest I was soo disappointed with the story of my forex fund because I had a challenge that I passed and it was a bit disappointed to me and now after that incident I lost hope/trust with prop firms and I as well will do anything to exploit the prop firm industry. I find the video to be helpful because it explains the concepts clearly and provides practical examples that make it easier to understand and apply the information. Your detailed explanations and step-by-step approach really resonate with me and enhance my learning experience." Can you kindly share the detailed guideline🙏💝

[@IPDATrader]

Thank you for the kind words! PDF Files will be posted soon, and I'll continue trying to create valuable content.

[@nanadyani1511]

Truly eye opening ill be grateful to receive PDF FILE

[@IPDATrader]

Thanks! - It is now available.

[@dee23gaming]

Your voice reminds me of Tom Hougaard.

[@simonbarrett9537]

sounds nothing like him

[@Disobbediente81]

I found the video useful because it opened my eyes. I only have one question: Do I open a position according to the time agreed with my partner? I hope to be able to receive the pdfs. Thank you Sir

[@IPDATrader]

PDF files are available now!

[@Disobbediente81]

Thanks, Sir

[@tokyodrip88]

Great video! The arbitrage strategy is an amazing exploit. I'd love to give it a try. Could you please share the PDF? Thanks!

[@IPDATrader]

You can download it from the description

[@tokyodrip88]

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[@nicobusiness8995]

Interesting idea… I will give this a try

[@nkosiclannkosi8171]

Hi IPDATrader , I WILL BE DELIGHTED TO RECEIVE THE FILE.Thanks for your Kindness

[@IPDATrader]

Check the description!

[@jiti5034]

Why you need two people? if this is doable with two diff "firms" also will it work with Darwinex or Futures firms like TST

[@alessanndrocassara6353]

i findi it helpfull for diversification on monetize with prop

[@RIYA6965]

Now what do if unfortunately same person end up with 2 live accounts...and how will he perform arbitrage

[@lilfrag2201]

Why do you say it works until you run out the propfirms can we just do this with 2 propfrims endlessly?

[@Melchor-gb5rd]

Awesome tips and going to backtest then . Thanks

[@IPDATrader]

I appreciate that!

[@gheethee]

Why not do this with 2 one step accounts?

[@whatislifebro]

can you put a link to the PDF in the description when your back from holiday ?

[@IPDATrader]

Done :)

[@lilfrag2201]

Hey IPDATrader why do i need another person? I can buy the two challenges and trade one on the phone and one on the pc. Will that work the same?

[@antonbonnici8213]

Interesting. I am curious to see if the pdf answers some of the questions I have before I ask them

[@IPDATrader]

Check the pinned comment! :)

[@neilbeaney3272]

Awesome idea.. thank you

[@IPDATrader]

Most welcome 😊

[@themaninChrist]

This isn’t trading, it’s gambling. If you intend on doing this, i’m sure there’s a casino somewhere around where you live. That’s way easier

[@ddupont1987]

Question how does it work out if person 1 wins 2 challenges in a row and person 2 loses 2 in a row. They wouldn't have a live against each other to arbitrage right?

[@alessanndrocassara6353]

thanths man

[@mertsargin3060]

if you risk more than 3% most prop firms will lock you up. Also, most firms have a fat spread, which can cause one sl to hit but the other tp to not hit. This strategy might work, but at some point you will fail, all you have to do then, is to hope you made enough money so far.

[@b_cool5336]

I think firms like funding pips wont allow passing challenges with 1trade of 4%risk.i think these rules make it very hard tho .they consider gambling and deny payout.

[@ghst4487]

Really? I wanted to pass funding pips in 2rr with 4% per trade

[@simplemarketmetrics]

hello, it's an interesting strategy to test. Could you send me more details about it. Thank you

[@IPDATrader]

Hello! Check the pinned comment :)

[@ZENITH.TRADER]

Why u just dont the hard work and be profitable. The people like u make prop increasing the barrier to payout

[@IPDATrader]

Similar to the other comment.... Ask yourself the simple question of: What is the goal of trading? There you go....

[@ZENITH.TRADER]

@@IPDATrader u will never reach B.N.F level .

[@tunetoadhikari]

If trading and prop firms were this easy then everyone would have been millionaire right now

[@skranz7790]

Wrong. I'm trying "this" (prop trading) and I'm profitable at it. So, just my single statement proves your statement to be false. I imagine you lost money trying it and therefore in order to cope you've decided that nobody can be profitable at it so you don't have to face the sad reality that YOU are just not good at trading.

[@tunetoadhikari]

@@skranz7790 Thank u and congratulations on being profitable , god bless u .. Happy trading take care 👍

[@kings20300]

Prop firms has a way of fishing out people with this strategy which leads to automatic banning.

[@lilfrag2201]

Hey Ipda why should we put only 1 trade per day?

[@fxsurgeon1]

LOL the fact the you're even opening a position means it is a "strategy". You cant just open a random hedge with 20 pip stop loss 😂 You will end up losing both positions

[@DeepGaming2303]

How you gonna lose both bro if you take buy and sell at the same time 1 will be in profit and 1 will be loss

[@fxsurgeon1]

@@DeepGaming2303 😂😂😂 will it? Test it with an algo. You can’t trick the markets.

[@DeepGaming2303]

@@fxsurgeon1 will definitely try with 5000 i k know spread will fuck it little bit but Maths is correct

[@fxsurgeon1]

@@DeepGaming2303 where/when will you take profit? because then it definitely turns into a strategy

[@DeepGaming2303]

@@fxsurgeon1 you just go for 1:1 on both. If one hit 1:1 another lose. But this is issue like 1 account makes profit and another lose and next day profit goes away and lose account make profit it will take time in that way

[@UnemployableFakeGuru]

I'm sure you end up w. 8 blown accounts.

[@praisefx7642]

@IPDATrader no disrespect and this is not personal but this is bad advice, anyone trading this way won't even get past the challenge phase. You atleast need to know how much in pips the instrument your trading moves in a day (avarage). You can easily be stopped out on both positions even if you arbitrage the trades with a 20 pip stoploss, you might be successful with a bigger stoploss or risk smaller with no stoploss. But with a 20 pip stoploss you'll just waste your money.

[@muaythai-champ-r3r]

Even with spreads this will obviously still make a profit mathematically however I am afraid prop firms will deny you a payout because they see you risking 4% per trade. Have you personally tried it and gotten paid out?

[@peterjack6629]

you don't need to risk 4% in a single trade, he didn't specify you have to pass with one trade. it can be done multiple times till one you pass one account , can go up to 2 weeks. risking 1% everyday till you pass one works too

[@muaythai-champ-r3r]

@@peterjack6629 I know, but you wont pass in 1 trade risking 4%. And it will take more than 2 weeks to pass if you risk 1%. But yeah I understand.

[@Trojan5503]

This is so Eye opening can I get the pdf?

[@IPDATrader]

You can download it now!

[@mquant001]

you don't need to be a gambler to screw them, you just need to be a profitable trader and not attract attention like other idiots who get banned for making too much money from one propfirm.

[@Snakeita901]

Hi I would like to try this, I followed the steps may I get contacted for the pdf file?

[@IPDATrader]

Thanks! I will post them when I'm back from my vacation, dont worry!

[@kenaz80]

Hi. intresting idea..can i have the pdf file link?

[@IPDATrader]

Check the description :)

[@darekgdybadz1618]

you can do it only for the phase 1 but if the winning account will lose the phase 2 you go back again or did I miss something? there is always phase 1 and phase 2 before you get funded

[@BenDover-p1t2t]

There are prop firms that only have 1 phase

[@darekgdybadz1618]

@@BenDover-p1t2t which one?

[@sislam9633]

upload strategies B and C brother

[@IPDATrader]

Soon to come... Working on a lot of content

[@gheethee]

this is great please send files..

[@IPDATrader]

File is now available. Check the description and or pinned comment!

[@raphealuwemudoa1781]

You'll blow each account separately cos you never know when the account u are buying with or selling with will play out... don't waste your time, lol. The market is smatter than you think.

[@lilfrag2201]

pdf file please the video was amazinf

[@IPDATrader]

It's up!

[@SayhanRossmann]

will not work that easy also you forgot the profit split in the calculation which is really unprofessional to begin with. 2nd if you place such high trades 4% per trade propfrims can refuse payout because your accounts shows gambling activity

[@ricardoescobedo5420]

Account mirroring is forbidden, specially in FTMO what a joke this channel.😂

[@qaseemr]

files please

[@IPDATrader]

It's now available!

[@pinetrades]

MOST PROPFIRMS KNOW OF THIS, SO THEY WON'T PAY YOU IF YOU RISK 3% OR 4% PER TRADE WITH A 1:1 RR

[@IPDATrader]

Not true at all. Just make sure you properly inform yourself before purchasing a challenge.

[@whatislifebro]

😂😂 I don’t think so bro

[@pinetrades]

@@whatislifebro I tried and FTMO said I over risked when my losses were about 4.2% per trade, also said it's a gamble to make 4% per trade and that they can't proceed with me cause my strategy was "too risky"

[@stanlystanly9964]

Its better to buy 10 10k challenges and randomly put 2% risk on the account. The chances one account to get funded is...not zero😅