How To Fail At Character - The Rise of Skywalker

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The Closer Look

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@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 4 жыл бұрын
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@imvishal24324
@imvishal24324 4 жыл бұрын
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@Edax_Royeaux
@Edax_Royeaux 4 жыл бұрын
@The_Closer_Look /sarcasm But the Audience Score on Rotten Tomatoes is 86%, there's no way your poll about the film is accurate! People loved this film!
@panos617
@panos617 4 жыл бұрын
It's also because they abandon STAR WARS EU and destroy evrything George Lucas has created.
@albertjackinson
@albertjackinson 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@nicholasleclerc1583
@nicholasleclerc1583 4 жыл бұрын
6:38 What's the exception to the rule ?
@josephmagil1149
@josephmagil1149 4 жыл бұрын
Palpatine shouldn't have frightened Rey when he met her, he should have warmly welcomed her like his long-lost granddaughter. This would have made it more difficult for Rey to oppose him. A sympathetic villain is more difficult to deal with. Make Rey feel that it would be wrong to kill him. Make Rey feel guilty for wanting to kill him. Make her realize that she's about to destroy the only family that she has. Make her struggle over the decision to kill, not merely struggle to perform the act itself. Make Palpatine wily, not just powerful.
@macmaster789
@macmaster789 4 жыл бұрын
I agree except it’s kinda hard to make a guy with no working spine, fingers, or pupils a cute grandpa
@iShawrav
@iShawrav 4 жыл бұрын
Brendan McMahan I guess, but them bringing back Palpatine the mastermind for first 6 episodes only to shit on him, ruined the movie from get go. Palpatine looked an aging senator in first 3 movies, so they could’ve just done some bullshit and make him a normal looking human again 😂. Maybe then the story would make a little bit more sense.
@ReySkywalker2
@ReySkywalker2 4 жыл бұрын
He literally did that.
@themanmrbijok7364
@themanmrbijok7364 4 жыл бұрын
@@iShawrav They did that in Rebels. While that is a plodding, tonally inconsistent show, it's only slightly better than this film.
@samuelmora1327
@samuelmora1327 4 жыл бұрын
That would be good if the previous movies didn't exist and we haven't seen what he can do.
@apocryphalbebop
@apocryphalbebop 4 жыл бұрын
Sheev Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith: _Manipulates Anakin into doing his bidding by playing on his basic, fundamental character flaws and character strengths, those being fear of loss and his desire to protect and avenge the people he lost at any moral cost. Doesn’t ever truly show how evil he is to his pupil until he’s squarely under his thumb_ Sheev Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker: _cackles menacingly and shoots lightning at everyone_
@awesomeawesome8350
@awesomeawesome8350 4 жыл бұрын
Palpatine was so great in the prequels. Horrible waste of potential.
@impulse5674
@impulse5674 4 жыл бұрын
You think he would’ve learned his lesson with force lightning after losing to Windu(Lucas confirmed palpatine ACTUALLY lost he wasn’t faking it) and then getting screwed over by Anakin in Return of the Jedi, palpatine is so powerful why didn’t he just use another ability, he lifted thousands of star destroyers up didn’t he why does he continue to use something that almost got him killed and eventually DID get him killed, he may be a clone but he’s definitely aware of the events of the prequels and the originals judging by how he quoted a prequel line
@zoomzoom103
@zoomzoom103 4 жыл бұрын
True, but granted he couldn't really pull the same tricks as he did with Anakin cause the entire galaxy knows he's evil and...well...he looks like THAT But yeah, his potential was lost overall
@late8641
@late8641 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I know the first two prequels get a lot of hate for the awkward lovestory and the clumsy dialogue, but you can't deny that the overarching storyline of the prequels is well thought out and the third movie is a masterpiece.
@phobetohr
@phobetohr 4 жыл бұрын
@Skeleton Masher thats the point, he was just chucked in at the last moment because they realised they had no other way to finish this shitty movie
@bendrescher7185
@bendrescher7185 4 жыл бұрын
“Somehow, Palpatine returned” I laughed so hard in the theatre. I can’t believe the writers actually approved that.
@Edax_Royeaux
@Edax_Royeaux 4 жыл бұрын
Why not? They don't care about canon, they care about money. There were news articles saying Rise of Skywalker was the highest grossing film of all time which gave Nerdotic a stroke.
@aburnoutfailurewithsomemem3085
@aburnoutfailurewithsomemem3085 4 жыл бұрын
I can’t believe I gave my money to that dumpster fire of a film
@Miatpi
@Miatpi 4 жыл бұрын
Ben Drescher The writers were just being honest lol
@SideshowBob44
@SideshowBob44 4 жыл бұрын
Even Oscar Isaac sighed before he said it like FFS this is stupid
@dm6182696
@dm6182696 4 жыл бұрын
When I heard that in the theater. "Somehow, Palpatine returned." any tiny investment I had left after the Last Jedi died. I knew then that this was going to be a mindless, brainless fan J.J Abrams movie. And it was. The quality of Star Wars films is so low at this point it's baffling.
@SpecialEDy
@SpecialEDy 3 жыл бұрын
Prequel Anakin: Wants to save those he loves, wants power, respect, and to be appreciated. Prequel Palpatine: Promises or gives these needs to Anakin. OG Trilogy Luke: Wants to protect friends, wants to avenge his Father, wants to accomplish his destiny. OG Trilogy Palpatine: You want to kill your father, you need to save your friends by doing it, it is your destiny. Sequels Rey: wants family, wants adventure. Sequels Palpatine: I can give you unlimited power.
@5xmasterx548
@5xmasterx548 2 жыл бұрын
Well said
@jacksy3693
@jacksy3693 2 жыл бұрын
the worst part is he could have just offered to bring her parents back or some shit.
@tomasgarcia7499
@tomasgarcia7499 2 жыл бұрын
Wait this is so random, and you probably won’t get this, but I’m just realizing Seliph from Fire Emblem Genealogy of the Holy War is a lot like Luke. 🤯
@thecensoredmuscle563
@thecensoredmuscle563 2 жыл бұрын
Palpatine was her family, so all along she had it with grandpa palpy. Lol
@histguy101
@histguy101 2 жыл бұрын
Does Rey actually want anything? Does she even have a will of her own?
@quintinkolstad6684
@quintinkolstad6684 4 жыл бұрын
The fact that Rey is the exact same character at the end of TROS as the beginning of TFA is the biggest flaw. What changed about her character over the course of 3 films? Literally her last name. That’s the entire point of her character. She learned nothing and didn’t go through any sort of growth from being a scavenger. Think about where Luke starts and ends in his arc, also Anakin, or look at a different series like Frodo in TLOR. Kylo is the only one who may have gone through some sort of arc but it’s still not that inspiring. Bad writing and a lack of planning ruined these movies.
@AdderTude
@AdderTude 4 жыл бұрын
Most recently with Fallen Order as well, set five years after Episode III. You play as Cal Kestis, a former Padawan and survivor of Order 66 who feels guilt over his master's death. He actually fails several times over the course of the game, and his doubt really starts to settle in the second time you go to Kashyyyk, so when he finally gets to Dathomir, his fear overwhelms him and the kyber crystal in his lightsaber shatters. The game has a masterfully-written hero's journey for Cal as he grows in character. The writers at Respawn Entertainment (the same people that gave us the wonderful but brief story for Titanfall 2) did such a better job at writing character arcs than Abrams and Johnson. In fact, Cal's new unofficial master, Cere Junda, was tortured by the Empire and she reveals early on that she used the dark side to escape, subsequently cutting herself off from the Force because the power scared her. Even Cal's droid, BD-1, has a minor character arc in the game through the cutscenes. It's a game I'd recommend to anyone who is a Star Wars fan.
@EmperorPylades
@EmperorPylades 4 жыл бұрын
Lack of planning was the issue. If they were going to have different filmmakers with different sensibilities making these movies, having a coherent overall plan was vital. Instead we've got this jumbled meandering mess.
@Kevin-hx2ky
@Kevin-hx2ky 4 жыл бұрын
-I'd rather have the trilogy focus on Kylo's journey-
@El_oh7199
@El_oh7199 4 жыл бұрын
@@Kevin-hx2ky Kylo Ren's redemption should have been the focus of the 3rd film. That moment when he comes back to the light should have been cathartic and triumphant. Instead I felt nothing. He doesn't even speak during the last act of TROS . WTF?
@uria3679
@uria3679 4 жыл бұрын
To the people who watched RoS, are you convinced that stealing is wrong?
@vsGoliath96
@vsGoliath96 4 жыл бұрын
"Remember kids, it doesn't matter if it's good, just that it makes money." -Mark Hamill, being brutally real.
@TheJadeFist
@TheJadeFist 4 жыл бұрын
And if it still makes a billion dollars and sucks, why bother making it not suck?
@calvin4912
@calvin4912 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheJadeFist because that requires effort and time
@brandon7346
@brandon7346 4 жыл бұрын
Ironically the same could be said about this pseudo intellectual video.
@TheJadeFist
@TheJadeFist 4 жыл бұрын
@@brandon7346 Ya but it's hard to deny how much more fun and hours of entertainment there has been around everyone trashing on this movie than the movie itself.
@piotrd.4850
@piotrd.4850 4 жыл бұрын
@@brandon7346 it was made by few people at most, is reasonably argumented, didn't make gazillion of dollars and yet is still better than entire new Trilogy. What the guy says is creative writing 101 intro.
@rubyscoville9340
@rubyscoville9340 4 жыл бұрын
God, that arc you came up with would’ve made Rey into a really likable character. I think it’s brilliant how it’s almost like Anakin’s journey, except she unlike him wouldn’t fall to the temptation. I would’ve loved this film if that’s how it went, maybe she could even have a vision of Anakin where he warns her not to make the same mistake he did...
@lgrcallum
@lgrcallum 4 жыл бұрын
Ruby Scoville could’ve been some interesting mirroring with how Kylo/Ben often taps into Vadar as an inspiration for embracing the dark side (hence the helmet he keeps) while Rey would have Anakin as someone to take inspiration from even though they’re clearly two halves of the same character.
@rubyscoville9340
@rubyscoville9340 4 жыл бұрын
Callum H Oh that's brilliant! It's so sad how this film turned out, it had a lot of potential.
@chadpowell1832
@chadpowell1832 4 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to like a comment twice?
@jackmesrel4933
@jackmesrel4933 4 жыл бұрын
Paraphrasing George Lucas: "It's poetry, it rhymes"
@DrSwoose
@DrSwoose 4 жыл бұрын
Ruby Scoville I love how many people defend this movie too, saying it’s only bad because of the last jedi. I’m like no, it’s bad because it’s bad. Have you seen the three Thor movies, the first two are really bland, but the third one is one of my favorite MCU films.
@jsullivan649
@jsullivan649 3 жыл бұрын
Palpatine tells her to kill him so he can take over her body… she literally kills him and he never took over her body? The fuck was the point of the line
@zizoumonk10
@zizoumonk10 3 жыл бұрын
It’s like poetry, They rhyme
@nybergsgarage
@nybergsgarage 3 жыл бұрын
no, he killed himself with force lightning, see... she didn't do it.
@Bigbodybigbeefybody
@Bigbodybigbeefybody 3 жыл бұрын
@@nybergsgarage assisted suicide isnt murder, noted JJ lmao.
@sixfromtokyo
@sixfromtokyo 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Palpatine didn't mean literally he probably just meant kill me and that's when you'll really turn to the darkside and become like me.
@jsullivan649
@jsullivan649 3 жыл бұрын
@@sixfromtokyo he literally said he’d take over her body and live in her body, that’s the gravity of their writing
@phillipsandgren3094
@phillipsandgren3094 4 жыл бұрын
The problem with Rey is that they wanted her to be like this perfect role model, feminine figure. Instead of creating a perfect role model, they made a flawless character. Flaws are the main ingredient to a good character.
@juliewochholz1629
@juliewochholz1629 4 жыл бұрын
They wanted a Disney Princess.
@a_lucientes
@a_lucientes 4 жыл бұрын
This the Mary Sue attribution. The Critical Drinker does a brutal but honest criticism of this film. If you havent seen it, it's worth a view. He's done a few on Disney Star Wars I think, and all of them have been pretty harsh.
@phillipsandgren3094
@phillipsandgren3094 4 жыл бұрын
@@a_lucientes Seen it. I love critical drinker.
@ChasehaWing
@ChasehaWing 4 жыл бұрын
So like Luke was in the original series
@angelli7950
@angelli7950 4 жыл бұрын
+Phillip Sandgren except Rey isn't feminine at all. She's a very masculine character, and a Mary Sue. Femininity is often associated with weakness, so they made her a masculine character who's always strong and never weak. Honestly she's just a bad character.
@princessirulancorrino4695
@princessirulancorrino4695 3 жыл бұрын
I feel bad for John Boyega, he’s a very good actor and a true Star Wars fan. Imagine being a big Star Wars fan and they gave you a crappy role in the worst Star Wars movies of all time
@ExcuseMyWeebRudeness
@ExcuseMyWeebRudeness 3 жыл бұрын
It's like Sony did for Andrew Garfield.
@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3
@waltuh2.3bviews3secondsago3 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah i've seen long compilations of him just saying like "it's ok" but you can tell how awful he thinks it is, feel bad
@makani9004
@makani9004 3 жыл бұрын
I wish I was a director and I could hire him for a space movie and make him the serious, pained character he was supposed to be, just to rub it in Disney's face. Then never work again.
@ArcNine9Angel
@ArcNine9Angel 3 жыл бұрын
At least he's not Marie Tran... or Ahmed Best, or Hayden Christiansen, or Jake Lloyd....
@whatevs53665
@whatevs53665 3 жыл бұрын
JOHN BOYEGA did nothing wrong, he is a precious marshmellow who must be protected. HE did great.
@RyanBeane
@RyanBeane 4 жыл бұрын
I already forgot everything in this movie.
@Godzilla-tu2cd
@Godzilla-tu2cd 4 жыл бұрын
It's easy to forget what happened in this movie because it's very forgettable
@trichtertus6221
@trichtertus6221 4 жыл бұрын
Me too. And I watched it THIS MORNING!
@itszaque
@itszaque 4 жыл бұрын
This honestly sums up my opinion of the movie better than any other review I've listened to or read. I honestly wouldn't call the plot bad, like I would with 8. It was just kinda forgettable.
@gonkdroid4603
@gonkdroid4603 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t remember the plot, I just remember papa palpa and a knife
@GUMBLE05
@GUMBLE05 4 жыл бұрын
I just rember i am all the jedi thing
@caitlyn2710
@caitlyn2710 3 жыл бұрын
The last scene of ROTJ with Han, Luke, Leia and everyone else feels like coming home and celebrating with family. At the end of the sequels, I've just lost my whole family for no reason at all and I'm left with a bunch of strangers.
@elitegamer9310
@elitegamer9310 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, the cast of the Sequels all feel like strangers. With the exception of original characters.
@crowtservo
@crowtservo 3 жыл бұрын
And it feels like the new characters are just hanging out together because the script told them to.
@One.Zero.One101
@One.Zero.One101 2 жыл бұрын
A lot of hack fraud writers don't know how to write OG characters. I'm watching Cobra Kai right now and THAT'S HOW YOU WRITE OG CHARACTERS. Daniel and Johnny have arcs that are connected and respectful to the original movies. They have personalities that are consistent with the original movies. They are not cardboard characters whose only role is to pass the torch to the new actors.
@janesgems7
@janesgems7 2 жыл бұрын
My thoughts exactly. I could have accepted the deaths of the OT..if they had spared Ben Solo. But not only did they kill him off, they did so in a manner that was an insult, then gave his name and family to the descendent of the Skywalkers' worst enemy. Rey is a Palpatine. Abrams' film was a thinly disguised slap in the face to fans of Ben/Kylo AND his family. Star Wars is dead to me now. I have zero interest in any of the 'new' characters post TROS.
@klrct5736
@klrct5736 2 жыл бұрын
I'm still just pretending the sequels never happened.
@colinmitchell1276
@colinmitchell1276 4 жыл бұрын
This movie makes me sad in the same way that Game of Thrones Season 8 makes me sad. Amazing filmmaking, acting, sound design, visual effects, and score ruined by horrible writing.
@aymankdr5375
@aymankdr5375 4 жыл бұрын
same with doctor who series 12 finale
@Edax_Royeaux
@Edax_Royeaux 4 жыл бұрын
Basically, Jedi Ghosts can use powers in the real world and Force Healing can bring back the dead, so no one should ever have to die in this Galaxy anymore since a ghost can just show up anywhere at anytime and cure death now.
@pokemonmaster0079
@pokemonmaster0079 4 жыл бұрын
@@Edax_Royeaux I'm imagining Anakin Skywalker realizing that he could do all of that and just breaking down into tears.
@jacksonbowns1087
@jacksonbowns1087 4 жыл бұрын
@@pokemonmaster0079 Huh. I guess he didn't need the dark side after all.
@pseudonymousbeing987
@pseudonymousbeing987 4 жыл бұрын
@@Edax_Royeaux Well Ach-to is pretty much a light side nexus. Makes sense the force ghosts influence the physical realm there. Luke can influence matter that is deeply connected with him, the saber, the ship. It's all like how Obi wan moved vines and sat on trees on Dagobah, which if I am correct is a light side nexus as well?
@johngoldfield6602
@johngoldfield6602 4 жыл бұрын
they literally never knew what to do with Rey shes a stranger from the beginning to the end
@codingtime1711
@codingtime1711 3 жыл бұрын
@Captain McDog Johnson took her in a pretty interesting direction with the whole ‘parents are nobody thing’. Her arc in this movie could have built on that and had it be about finding greatness within oneself. But TLJ bad so I guess we go with this contrived dark side temptation plot.
@wannabehistorian371
@wannabehistorian371 3 жыл бұрын
@@codingtime1711 Well it would have been great if she wasn’t super powerful from the start too. The Force is linked to self-actualization as well I think, so it should grow stronger as she comes to terms with herself.
@raafeyplayz7015
@raafeyplayz7015 3 жыл бұрын
@@wannabehistorian371 or at least explain why she is powerful (other than bloodline :/)
@raafeyplayz7015
@raafeyplayz7015 3 жыл бұрын
@@codingtime1711 even if TLJ wasn’t good, it still had some interesting ideas (like Kylo learning that he can’t be Darth Vader but it was executed poorly, or Kylo thinking to only focus on the future so that he won’t be reminded of his past, again executed a bit poorly, etc) it’s just the execution and his lack of knowledge of Star Wars that makes his film not good
@wannabehistorian371
@wannabehistorian371 3 жыл бұрын
@@raafeyplayz7015 Yup. It’s pretty symbolic of the sequel trilogy lol. I keep hearing TLJ fans going on about themes and it actually makes me like it less because the themes are good and could have been in a better movie. Rian’s bread and butter is making his own original stuff and not sequels or adaptations, which you could argue is actually more admirable. I just have to wonder why oh why it had to be the guy Lucasfilm hired. Especially in combination with the guy known for mystery boxes.
@swoozie
@swoozie 4 жыл бұрын
Man this vid is SO GOOD. You did a great job! Everything I wanted to tell my friends about how I felt but couldn’t find the words!!
@mipcrazeold
@mipcrazeold 4 жыл бұрын
Hey wait a minute
@atlas3565
@atlas3565 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly I hate how my friends try to defend this movie
@Avatar_Roku
@Avatar_Roku 3 жыл бұрын
​@Skeleton Masher They have no plan for the ST that's why they are a dumpster fire
@Avatar_Roku
@Avatar_Roku 3 жыл бұрын
@Skeleton Masher But they didn't have any plan or blueprint for the story.
@Avatar_Roku
@Avatar_Roku 3 жыл бұрын
@Skeleton Masher The prime reason why the Sequel Trilogy failed is lack of planning
@rsarin18
@rsarin18 2 жыл бұрын
Your plot made me realize that in the movies Rey has no struggle. There is never a time where she or her friends are in danger, and she is unable to save them. We see Anakin unable to save his loved ones and that leads him to the dark side. But Rey never suffered any negative consequences. Never was she ever too weak to save someone or realize that if she uses the dark side she can save others. I think having her show some weakness like you mentioned would have made Palpatine's proposal significantly more dramatic.
@Jaden_quino
@Jaden_quino 2 жыл бұрын
Reys whole trilogy is on easy mode
@One.Zero.One101
@One.Zero.One101 Жыл бұрын
Yeah whether you love the Prequels or not, at least it had story arcs and character arcs, all the structures that you need for a movie. The Disney Sequels are just a Tiktok compilation of unrelated clips. They stumble from one place to another until they end up in the climax.
@lordbiscuitthetossable5352
@lordbiscuitthetossable5352 Жыл бұрын
Actually, it's more she never really expressed a desire to approach any of them, the exception being the end of the Last Jedi. In the Force Awakens, she runs away, gets captured, rescues herself and ultimately is tracked down by Finn who went on an incredibly reckless mission just to find her. The Last Jedi, she spends most of it on her own quest, seeks Ben out first, then approaches the Resistance afterwards. Return of, she doesn't really work with the others very much at all. She's on her own quest that they are accompanying her on, fails to rescue "chewie" (who is detained off screen by an antagonist who has practically no on screen presence, aside from posing like MCR groupies) and when she finds out he's actually alive? It's the others that actually goes to rescue him, she's just off on her own quest. Then flatly shoves Finn away and proceeds to have nothing to do with anyone for the rest of the movie, she goes to an island to hide, is talked out of it by someone who is dead, goes to Exogol by herself and is sought out again by Kylo. My issue was not her power, but that she never sought out anyone unless it was directly related to a personal goal. There are some interesting things, like her and Ben's common connection of not belonging anywhere, but I never felt she really cared about anyone around her, not really. Which is a pity because I feel Daisy was certainly capable of being a empathic character, just she spent most of the latter two movies on her own journey, that doesn't really anchor her to anyone around her.
@code44422
@code44422 9 ай бұрын
Not only Rey Skywalker is the most powerful duelist and fighter. Obviously the most powerful force user with unmatched potential too, infinite times more powerful than full potential Anakin Skywalker. She is also the best starship captain, no one can’t compete at her level and match her natural talent and skills and also her full potential. Why do people underrates Rey Skywalker for no good reason, although she is the greatest character and part of the masterpiece of the sequel trilogy? Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest Skywalker and Palpatine, but also the greatest and also the most powerful Star Wars character, in general and also in terms of writing. Rey is also considered to be one of the most powerful character in fiction, some experts say she is levels above the One Above All. Her character’s writing and arc are considered to be one of the greatest outside of Star Wars, but also in cinema or all of stories. She is considered to be one of the greatest and most iconic characters in cinema, even more iconic than Darth Vader by infinite times which makes Rey Skywalker the most iconic Star Wars character and Disney princess. Although according to experts that she’s the most powerful character and not only in Star Wars, but in fiction, her insane struggles and greatest upbringing or backstory to the most tragic character that would make any famous and well-known Ancient Greek story-tellers cry and admit their greatest tragic stories, or story as a whole in general are nothing compared to the story of Rey Skywalker (more difficult than the rest of Star Wars characters and rest of characters in all of fiction) makes her the most relatable character and hardships to become a Jedi is insanely difficult and especially trying to resist the dark side. Rey Skywalker’s potential is greater than Anakin’s power and full potential. She is not only the greatest leader and candidate for woman empowerment, she is the only embodiment for it. Instead of fighting who is the best and greatest character in Star Wars. Or also the greatest trilogy in Star Wars. Let’s all admit and say the real truth and reality, Rey Skywalker is in fact the greatest masterpiece of a character in Star Wars and the sequel trilogy has the greatest movies in Star Wars. Also, the sequel trilogy in Star Wars are the greatest trilogy in all of cinema, and considered to be greater than the Christopher Nolan’s Dark Knight trilogy and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Even the experts and the best or legendary directors such as George Lucas, Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Martin Scorsese, Francis Ford Coppola and etc considers the all the three movies of the sequel trilogy in Star Wars are the greatest movies in history. Please no more fighting and bashing other characters, especially Rey Skywalker to say your favorite character is the best, especially Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker whom Rey Skywalker the real GOAT is infinite times better as a character in writing and relatable, and also more powerful.
@brotherkhrayn3525
@brotherkhrayn3525 5 ай бұрын
@@code44422she is not a skywalker. She doesn’t deserve that name. She hasn’t suffered as much as them, nor earned any of her power. She had everything handed to her as soon as we meet her. Luke’s first fight with a lightsaber ends with him LOSING A FUCKING HAND. Rey’s first fight after holding a lightsaber for the first time ever? She beats a TRAINED FIGHTER. She didn’t earn that win, it was handed to her because the plot demanded it. She’s no Skywalker.
@mirceadonciu4983
@mirceadonciu4983 4 жыл бұрын
When the review is more memorable then the movie
@josesosa3337
@josesosa3337 4 жыл бұрын
I breath star wars and steven universe rants.
@Andrew1990R
@Andrew1990R 4 жыл бұрын
Ba frate eu nu mai tin minte nimic din film dar am fost la cinema cand a aparut.....
@yournan7249
@yournan7249 4 жыл бұрын
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@sebastiaankrul2403
@sebastiaankrul2403 3 жыл бұрын
Movie: "somehow, palpatine has returned" Me: somehow, my desire to watch this movie hasn't
@justoons2949
@justoons2949 3 жыл бұрын
Rise of skywalker is an airplane movie. I just pull it up when I’m on a flight so I can go crazy mentally pointing out all of the writing mistakes in that garbage pile.
@florianfreiberger7212
@florianfreiberger7212 3 жыл бұрын
@@justoons2949 That might be the only way to stop people from leaving.
@nybergsgarage
@nybergsgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@florianfreiberger7212 careful though... you don't want people hopping out of the airplane to avoid watching it.
@logeyperogi1805
@logeyperogi1805 3 жыл бұрын
I really only liked the scene where the fleet of ships arrived in the final battle, not because it was well written, but because it was visually appealing and the music was good That’s about it, it was fun mindless action
@nybergsgarage
@nybergsgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@logeyperogi1805 to me that scene fell flat too. I can see how you might have enjoyed it, many ships and a quality musical score, but I've seen so many similar scenes (in Avengers endgame, Halo trilogy, etc.) that have come from well written franchises, so I'm used to seeing a scene like that in accompaniment with emotional buildup. and without the story filled, emotionally driven buildup to the scene, it seemed empty to me.
@Full_Throttle_Axolotl
@Full_Throttle_Axolotl 3 жыл бұрын
Saying this movie's plot progression is like a videogame's is an insult to videogame writers from here all the way back to the 90's
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 3 жыл бұрын
I wouldnt really say that, the main character in most cases has no character BUT with less focus on the player, the world of the game can become creative and amazing to explore.
@danteaghoulfromspace2996
@danteaghoulfromspace2996 3 жыл бұрын
maybe not 90's, but look at what Halo accomplished 20 years ago, or Mass Effect
@nybergsgarage
@nybergsgarage 3 жыл бұрын
@@danteaghoulfromspace2996 actually, Dark Forces 2 (1997) did a pretty good job of expanding the main character from Dark Forces (1995), although the cutscene quality was a bit laughable, the character development was good. definitely better than any star wars sequel.
@Dejawolfs
@Dejawolfs 2 жыл бұрын
yeah, shadowman basically had one of the coolest plots of any videogame ever.
@felonyx5123
@felonyx5123 2 жыл бұрын
In terms of basic structure it's "beat the dungeon, get the thing, beat the dungeon, get the thing, use the thing to unlock the boss, win." Same as most Zelda stories since 1986, and while many of those Zelda games have stories 10 times better than Rise of Skywalker, it's not the plot structure that makes a Zelda story good but the characters and the themes. The point of the comparison is to say that if you use that plot structure it better be because you're focusing on good characters and themes, which RoS doesn't have.
@queencancerous5332
@queencancerous5332 3 жыл бұрын
My problem is that she literally has no struggle. Think about it, first time Luke fights Vader he gets his ass kicked and loses his hand. First time Rey fights Kylo, she kicks his ass her first time ever using a lightsaber.
@timothyho5786
@timothyho5786 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed!.✅
@damkylan3
@damkylan3 2 жыл бұрын
Sure... but then TLJ happens and she not only gets her ass kicked left and right, but her victory over Kylo is explained in a way that minimizes her accomplishment. She simply beat a very weakened version of him after what he did to his father. It's then hinted how much stronger he's gotten when he's assured of himself in the throne room fight, wherein he fights several guards at once, and meanwhile, Rey is getting knocked around by just one, though she manages to beat him eventually. And sure enough, when they have their rematch in TROS, she loses. She gets the last stab only because of Leia's outside interference, but if not for that, Kylo would have won clean. So really, it makes more sense to compare her in TLJ to Luke in ESB, the dark midpoint of the trilogy. Since it would make just as little sense to say Luke had no struggle because he took out the planet-destroying Death Star in his first ever flight in an X-wing.
@m.c.martin
@m.c.martin 2 жыл бұрын
@@damkylan3 Luke was an experienced pilot. Rey thought the Force was a Myth. Your argument falls flat on its face
@SeventhSolar
@SeventhSolar 2 жыл бұрын
You can write a story where the protagonist is OP. A good story necessitates a struggle, but the struggle doesn't have to be physical.
@m.e.c.hn.e.s.t4757
@m.e.c.hn.e.s.t4757 2 жыл бұрын
That's because Kylo is a loser too. If Starkiller (Galen Marek) was in these movies he would have completely destroyed Rey, Kylo, Snoke, Palpatine and the entire First Order in two secs.
@ironcladnomad5639
@ironcladnomad5639 4 жыл бұрын
*"It's like Abrams was trying to make a cake by focusing exclusively on the frosting and, on the surface, it may look like [Rey's] degrading as a character, but the moment you take a bite you realize that this cake is just a shell of icing and at the center is a hollow core."* It's almost as if Abrams likes to present audiences with a MYSTERY BOX that looks fancy and well-made... and then you open it and find it's empty.
@Matty002
@Matty002 4 жыл бұрын
skilled competent writers: people want a story with characters who grow and change abrams: MYSTERY BOX!!!! literally everything hes written on has been bad, cancelled, or both. id say he should stick to directing but the world has had enough unnecessary lense flare
@justsomeguy1014
@justsomeguy1014 4 жыл бұрын
As Geralt once said “it’s like getting a pie only to find it has no filling”
@rustyshackleford17
@rustyshackleford17 4 жыл бұрын
For whatever reason, JJ Abrams seems content presenting the mystery box but never the payoff.
@Wyqno
@Wyqno 4 жыл бұрын
@@rustyshackleford17 "For whatever reason, JJ Abrams seems content presenting the mystery box but never the payoff." It's not that he is content, it is just that he is a bad writer. His entire TED talk about why he does mystery boxes with no pay off because the mystery box represents "hope" and all that BS is him trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes and deflect that while he knows people like mysteries (with satisfying answers) he doesn't know how to write one. So, his solution, make people believe he writes completely unsatisfying MacGuffin mysteries on purpose because he "likes the mystery." Pretty soon he will come out with a TED talk about how he doesn't like to actually write and develop characters because, "That's part of the mystery!" And all his scenes are essentially just characters talking about which plot point they need to jump to and show 30 seconds of before talking about the next one is also, "Part of the mystery, because showing the actual plot development ruins the mystery!"
@Trompicavalas
@Trompicavalas 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not agree, the box doesn't look very fancy either.. From the visual aspect , in photography, illumination, fx and in the choreography of the combat scenes is the worst film of the 3 Disney sequels It is a bad shell with a hollow core.
@They_are_Arthur
@They_are_Arthur 4 жыл бұрын
30 years later in Star Wars Episode XVII: "Somehow, Palpatine has returned." EDIT: Wow. A year ago I made this. Insane knowing more than 1.4k people liked this. Honestly, kinda hope they don't actually do this in the future, just hope they make new villains if they continue the Star Wars Saga.
@0ctopusComp1etely
@0ctopusComp1etely 4 жыл бұрын
You made me spit my drink laughing.
@Virjunior01
@Virjunior01 4 жыл бұрын
And they'll have forgotten about the existence of jetpacks all over again.
@Kalypsoo
@Kalypsoo 4 жыл бұрын
Underrated comment
@fartloudYT
@fartloudYT 4 жыл бұрын
the reverse flash of star wars
@mckennadaley3793
@mckennadaley3793 4 жыл бұрын
what's sad is its probably true
@DandyZero
@DandyZero 4 жыл бұрын
I thought you were saying "black male" for a while cause of that cut to a literal black male. I was confused for a minute lol
@nerdothn892
@nerdothn892 4 жыл бұрын
Same here
@swishpronoob
@swishpronoob 4 жыл бұрын
Same just put a comment about that too lol
@Carina5707
@Carina5707 4 жыл бұрын
same lmao
@nicholasleclerc1583
@nicholasleclerc1583 4 жыл бұрын
I think he wanted to make a pun ; p
@DandyZero
@DandyZero 4 жыл бұрын
@@nicholasleclerc1583 He probably did. I wasn't expecting that lol
@Medaumplay3
@Medaumplay3 3 жыл бұрын
Rey's (personal) motivation throughout movies 7 and 8: Her family. What palpatine is to rey: her family. What palpatine offers rey: *power* Such a missed opportunity
@SK008
@SK008 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. going the family angle would have at least been a little bit better than just repeating Luke's arc into this godawful movie.. at the very least, it would have made some modicum of sense.. this was just lazy
@Medaumplay3
@Medaumplay3 2 жыл бұрын
@@SK008 I mean, there are so many incredibly obvious little things tha wod improve the story so much, I often think they messed it up on purpose
@SK008
@SK008 2 жыл бұрын
@@Medaumplay3 honestly after TLJ's weird twists and turns, nothing would have saved the story.. but they still could have done a few things better.. some simple fixes could have made the plot coherent.. but it is just lazy writing.. I am not sure if they intentionally ruined this movie.. but they did a hell of a job wasting time and resources on this movie...
@finalfroggitapproaches6418
@finalfroggitapproaches6418 Жыл бұрын
To be fair, her parents are super dead, and I’m not sure she’d really be down to spend Life Day at Grandpappy Palpatine’s secret Sith lair.
@Medaumplay3
@Medaumplay3 Жыл бұрын
@@finalfroggitapproaches6418 Ehh, true. Still better than offering her "ultimate power" when that's never been what she was after, and also ignoring the ludicrous amount of power she already had.
@basildraws
@basildraws 4 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t the whole point of her training to embrace her nature? To not fear her past? To accept who she is? How the heck does she then claim to be a Skywalker? The last word of the script should have been “Palpatine.” What a farce.
@user-wq9mw2xz3j
@user-wq9mw2xz3j 4 жыл бұрын
I think that the sequel trilogy, the same as the prequels but even more, tried to have a too broad and big story with lot's of elements in just 3 films. The story couldve worked much better, if only the characters had gotten a lot more development through many films, not just 3. There are a lot of issues I have with the movies, but to be honest, unlike most Star Wars fans I don't think that the movies are that good, none of them. I love the star wars "universe", but movies are just meh. Still get emotional watching rots tho
@aileencrain6558
@aileencrain6558 4 жыл бұрын
They named the movie, and then realized it made no sense at all. So they were frantically looking for somewhere they could throw in ‘Skywalker’
@RobbDizzl
@RobbDizzl 4 жыл бұрын
I think she should have said „Just Rey“.
@kpaulblume47
@kpaulblume47 4 жыл бұрын
Then, they could have had an after-credits scene of her getting lynched by the Resistance - win/win!
@Jablickymorant
@Jablickymorant 4 жыл бұрын
[;' the original 3 Star Wars ate cult classics but ok
@Lauren-cv6ky
@Lauren-cv6ky 4 жыл бұрын
Can we talk about how this completely spat on Anakins sacrifice and him bringing balance to the force.
@JJourdenaisART
@JJourdenaisART 4 жыл бұрын
And they ALMOST had a VADER force Ghost in TFA...a Anakin/Vader conflicted force ghost...its in the art book of TFA...that just completely proves they don't understand Anakin's journey or Star Wars all together...what a farce.
@Death_Korps_Officer
@Death_Korps_Officer 4 жыл бұрын
The sequels from the get go destroys every sacrifice and progress made by the previous 6 movies/the series/all the novels as a whole.
@JJourdenaisART
@JJourdenaisART 4 жыл бұрын
@@Death_Korps_Officer The WHOLE point of 1-6 is to show that however powerful you are, the only way to achieve true power, immortality and come back as a force ghost is through love and compassion, not greed and hatred. That is why the dark side users can never come back from death and why light will always win over darkness. And now Palpatine "somehow" returned...because Johnson killed off the "main" villain just to show us he was better then us.
@alexhazel
@alexhazel 4 жыл бұрын
@@JJourdenaisART or if they reveal that, like in dark empire, or with darth sion (i think) doing it through the dark side cuases you to essentially fall apart and degrade. palps clone bodies began ageing really fast and go insane and stuff.
@jalenjohnson1662
@jalenjohnson1662 4 жыл бұрын
This whole trilogy spat on everything that came before. Character arcs are wiped away, previous victories are meaningless, and established rules mean nothing. It feels like it was made by people who really don’t care about Star Wars at all. Looking at how they treated Han, Luke, and Leia I’m perplexed as to why they even brought those characters back.
@Atze7811
@Atze7811 4 жыл бұрын
Isn’t it sad for daisy? She is surely capable of acting way better than the „writers“ of this dumpster fire allowed her to.
@serenitybeats1677
@serenitybeats1677 3 жыл бұрын
Ikr. She is a fantastic actress who got the role of a lifetime and they failed her
@anonymousperson1706
@anonymousperson1706 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t know about that. There’s another video somewhere on here that points out her glaring flaws as an actress as well. The only one I can remember off the top of my head is that for every scene where she’s supposed to show “emotion” she just widens her eyes and has a mouth gap.
@impulse5674
@impulse5674 3 жыл бұрын
@@anonymousperson1706 i think the way she delivers her lines is fine but her facial expressions need work
@twohorsesinamancostume7606
@twohorsesinamancostume7606 3 жыл бұрын
I mean... if you think bugging her eyes out with her jaw slightly open is "acting" then sure. She's really good at that.
@galehunter2519
@galehunter2519 3 жыл бұрын
Even she doesn’t know why Rey exists
@tbronzwaer
@tbronzwaer 2 жыл бұрын
Instead of (pretend)killing Chewie using Dark Force powers, what if Rey had *saved* Chewie with those powers instead - a powerful temptation to turn to the Dark Side. Then maybe later on, another friend is in peril, and it appears as though Rey has to choose between letting them die or using her Dark Side powers. But instead, she brilliantly finds a way to save her friend while relying only on the Light Side...
@raphaelrabara2820
@raphaelrabara2820 3 жыл бұрын
Alternative Title: "Nerd single-handedly rewrites the script of a movie that took weeks to make, makes it epic!"
@floo1465
@floo1465 3 жыл бұрын
weeks? i think it took a bit longer than that bud
@anatoldenevers237
@anatoldenevers237 3 жыл бұрын
@@floo1465 it should, but for Rise Of Skywalker it probably didn’t
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 3 жыл бұрын
Doctors hate him! I mean writers hate him!
@angrymokyuu1951
@angrymokyuu1951 3 жыл бұрын
@@anatoldenevers237 Disney was recutting and reshooting The Rise of Palpatine up until the last minute, so I'm sure the script got a little more work than that. Not terribly productive work, but more work nonetheless.
@guillermoelnino
@guillermoelnino 3 жыл бұрын
*Chad
@CanterlotCrusader
@CanterlotCrusader 4 жыл бұрын
You know Luke was a whiny kid who just wanted to hang out with his friends and leave his dump of a home in the OG Star Wars, yet when prompted to go with Obi-wan he refuses at first until his home was burned and family killed. In Empire, he lets his emotions guide him, he's undisciplined and can't control his powers well due to the inner conflict and suffers for it. By the end in Return, he became a seasoned Jedi, able to keep composure in front of Jabba and even his father. He's truly putting his life on the line just for a chance to bring out the inner good in his father, and only when he gets lost in the dark side for a brief moment he realizes the path he's on is so slippery, and puts his life and faith on being a Jedi and asks for mercy from his father even in agonizing pain. That was a character arc, the Luke in every movie is distinct from the last, and you could feel the time in between each movies through the character and how he evolved. None of that for Rey. She feels the same in every movie. So disappointing. I also want to say they wasted a great cast, Daisy Ridley and John Boyega were awesome actors that could have made the roles work had they been given better stuff. Such wasted potential.
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 4 жыл бұрын
They even dress Luke differently in each film. In the DT Rey is in the same white cloths always.
@CanterlotCrusader
@CanterlotCrusader 4 жыл бұрын
@@oliverford5367 I guess they were too lazy to change the toy designs Idk. How could they pour so much money into something and yet it feels Disney and the writers didn't give a fuck to try. Like the actors, special effects, and all the technical people I believe gave 100% for these movies, but the executives and writers in charge let everyone down massively.
@vittoriacolona
@vittoriacolona 4 жыл бұрын
@@oliverford5367 If that's what you saw. Then you're blind.
@GamerX13X
@GamerX13X 4 жыл бұрын
Another important thing about Luke's arc in the og trilogy, and the arc of the whole gang, is that there is time to develop bonds and skills and personalities. You see changes in all of them between each movie because time has passed, and they've grown. Luke's abilities, Han's dedication to the cause, a renewed friendship with Lando, all of them. In the new trilogy, the main three don't feel like an actual group until the third movie, and it doesn't really feel entirely real then for me. And even though they let time pass for Finn and Po to develop their cohesion and skills, Rey felt like an odd one out to me. Plus their characters were just not really interesting. The only one in my opinion that had a semblacne of an arc is Po. In the second movie, Po is the only one that seems to take anything away from his "arc"(if i have to call it that) and he sort of has more growth(shoved onto him) in the third one. Rey has no development at all over the trilogy and Finn is just a sack of wasted potential on all counts(They should have let him sacrifice himself in ep8, would have been the subversion the director was actually going for) Kylo Ren has the best arc and character in the new trilogy. He grows between the movies, has things he clearly wants and strikes to get them.(And unlike Rey, he earned his abilities and skills)
@HD_Simplicityy
@HD_Simplicityy 4 жыл бұрын
@@oliverford5367 She has three different outfits.
@moatplay
@moatplay 4 жыл бұрын
This movie was a first draft. It seems like they didn't have time to go back and properly set up the story.
@Lazurath101
@Lazurath101 4 жыл бұрын
Uri Bassilian They were literally changing it as it was being filmed. The CEO of Disney kept forcing them to change things because he was thought it would please the fans more, but it turned out to be making it way worse.
@fattysl26
@fattysl26 4 жыл бұрын
I watched it yesterday and the pacing was just off. Story totally rushed, there was no real buy in with Rey we never saw the potential of what her power could be till the end. It was meh.
@dodojesus4529
@dodojesus4529 4 жыл бұрын
*First daft
@younghex9577
@younghex9577 4 жыл бұрын
I think Disney should've made a couple TV shows before making the trilogy. Just test the waters see what the fans like and get a feel for what the new trilogy should've been. I think they should've focused on the old republic. Instead they rushed into making the new trilogy before they had a good story.
@FreyaEinde
@FreyaEinde 4 жыл бұрын
I just don't understand how you wouldn't have written the whole thing before you make it. It's not the seventies and they weren't gonna hurt for funding so going movie by movie is stupid. You know you're doing a trilogy from the jump...how do you not just write it like a trilogy.
@empirestate8791
@empirestate8791 2 жыл бұрын
Rey had a lot of potential to be a great character with tons of development. Maybe portray her as an individual who didn't know her origins and didn't even care too much about becoming a Jedi master or learning the ways of the force but simply wanted to leave Jakuu to do something different, but with some prodding from Luke and his friends, she slowly became more focused and more dedicated and ultimately became the hero of the trilogy.
@unsightedshadow2780
@unsightedshadow2780 2 жыл бұрын
See? The character had potential! But Disney fucked up so badly after, I can't even tell...
@Rksimmons
@Rksimmons 4 жыл бұрын
"...he panics and ham-fisted in a blackmail motivation..." *camera pans to Finn*
@kalakritistudios
@kalakritistudios 4 жыл бұрын
Verge 😂😂That's why I thought it said "black male"
@DarkSpade87
@DarkSpade87 4 жыл бұрын
Literally that unfortunate pairing of shot and dialog made me hear "Black male motivation" and I was like 0_0
@b1akn3ss93
@b1akn3ss93 3 жыл бұрын
Me: Did he say Blackmail or Black Male??
@2bobaf
@2bobaf 3 жыл бұрын
That's an old Spike Milligan joke.
@Lyynity
@Lyynity 3 жыл бұрын
The captions say 'black male motivation' and it deadass took me a whole 5 minutes to realise he meant 'blackmail motivation' 😂
@Steroyd666
@Steroyd666 4 жыл бұрын
That re-write on Rey's arc... It's almost like you could dedicate a trilogy of movies to this.
@matthewmartin7639
@matthewmartin7639 4 жыл бұрын
I can't be the only one that thought Kylo's turn around was more intriguing than Rey's...uh...realization?
@GamerX13X
@GamerX13X 4 жыл бұрын
Kylo was more interesting from start to finish of the trilogy. Ignore Rey's initial win because she's a mary sue and her ability to resist his power for now good reason, and you get a powerful, deadly warrior who is flawed. You see him first as a fierce warrior with great power and no mercy, then see him throw a tantrum, because he's a parody of vader. Then he has that tough moment where he kills his dad. Second movie you see him decide he doesn't want to follow snoke, doesn't want to keep the cycle going, but also see the flawed way he's thinking about it, how jedi and sith need to be destroyed. And then in the third, they tear down the facade he's been trying to put up. The powerful darksider front he's been putting up, his dad just tears down.
@quillion0877
@quillion0877 4 жыл бұрын
I am not going to lie, I literally thought he is the main character but the movie played it in a way that we do not see it until the end...
@Rosiebud82
@Rosiebud82 4 жыл бұрын
i honestly thought this movie was about Kylo, not Rey.
@krispykreme2477
@krispykreme2477 4 жыл бұрын
I was down with Kylo turning good and Rey falling to the dark side lol idk seems pretty good to me
@grubbierspider5271
@grubbierspider5271 4 жыл бұрын
Kylo Ren is the only not terrible part of the sequels, but that's not saying much tbh.
@carsynagen3525
@carsynagen3525 2 жыл бұрын
A great example of a character choosing a want over their need (7:40) is ATLA, where Zuko in the S2 Finale chooses to side with the Fire Nation and his sister against the Avatar and his uncle. He WANTS his father's approval and to go home, be prince again. But he needs to realize the atrocities of the fire nation and reconcile them by helping to restore balance to the world. While he eventually gets there in S3, in S2 the audience and characters really don't know what he will choose. To this day, I love seeing my friends and how BETRAYED they feel when Zuko turns on Aang. I really wish these sequel movies could have channeled some of that energy.
@xelac1334
@xelac1334 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite aspects of ATLA is how Aang and Zuko are foils of each other. Aang has an internal want and an external need - he WANTS to be a normal kid and hang out with his friends, but he NEEDS to be the Avatar and save the world. By contrast, Zuko has an external want and an internal need - he WANTS to please his father and follow the path his father laid out for him, but he NEEDS to learn to follow his own destiny and be his own man. Imagine if Rey and Kylo had a similar dynamic. The sequel trilogy could have been amazing, but we got a poorly planned out story that ruined classic characters.
@dougthedonkey1805
@dougthedonkey1805 4 жыл бұрын
“She can’t lift the boulder” *remembers rock cave scene from the last jedi* Yeah no way
@ISuperGenXI
@ISuperGenXI 3 жыл бұрын
But it’s a… bigger boulder…?
@dougthedonkey1805
@dougthedonkey1805 3 жыл бұрын
@@ISuperGenXI size matters not
@ryanm.8720
@ryanm.8720 3 жыл бұрын
@@ISuperGenXI It was a big rock...
@jamesverner9132
@jamesverner9132 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god you're thinking like a Hollywood writer
@ISuperGenXI
@ISuperGenXI 3 жыл бұрын
@Epic Noah LMAO nah, I was talking as if I was someone who wanted to defend that plot point and had nothing to back it up
@Crippycooke
@Crippycooke 4 жыл бұрын
Avengers has been about macguffins since day one. The infinity stones were mentioned right at the beginning and have been the plot of singular movies from certain characters. Star Wars plucked the way finder idea from their ass.
@pagatryx5451
@pagatryx5451 4 жыл бұрын
I mean, I didn't like Endgame for it though. It felt way too forced and unnatural and some of the character development/conflict, like Thor's, felt overdone. While Infinity War felt like a movie that earned its run time, Endgame was a movie that was basically filler. The only thing that had real substance in the movie, for me, was Black Widow and the actual ending. Not the battle, that was pretty bad, the actual conclusion of the story. It was a video game plot added to waste some time. It felt like they wanted to subvert expectations with Infinity War but were clueless on how to make a sequel. Its positive reception is one primarily built on fan favor for the series and pretty visuals. When you actually look at the story: A forced time travel arc where they try and get all the gems again. It kinda means nothing and feels clunky. And when you actually look at the characters, the only characters that actually develop in reasonable ways is Ironman and Blackwidow (finally).
@chrisrickard8404
@chrisrickard8404 4 жыл бұрын
This, so much. The infinite stones were an ever present threat in almost all of the movies. The way finder bs came out of nowhere
@beccag2758
@beccag2758 4 жыл бұрын
I'd argue that the when the Time Stone was introduced it was not very McGuffiny, we see how it's used (controls time) and its used to resolve Dr. Strange's movie (he uses time to trap Dormomu until he makes a deal, then reverses the damage the dark dimension created). The Tesseract is veeeerrry McGuffiny though, what does it do? Power source? Teleportation? Stops knives??
@chrisrickard8404
@chrisrickard8404 4 жыл бұрын
@@beccag2758 Well, it's been shown many times that the infinity stones are all infinite sources of power. The mind stone was powering Loki's scepter and vision, the reality stone was in the ether that made the dark elves as powerful as they are, and the tesseract was used as a power source for countless weapons. It's safe to say that all of the infinity stones produce a generic power stream, it's only when used in the correct context that they show their unique powers.
@hmst2434
@hmst2434 4 жыл бұрын
Sad thing is it felt like Rey ended up being a Mcgoffin herself. Or more specifically, her family lineage.
@Gramrocks
@Gramrocks 3 жыл бұрын
They should’ve given her a reason to want more power like - if she had MORE power she would be able to find her parents. That way there would be high stakes to her decision to join palpatine and a sacrifice if she chose not to.
@myztrile
@myztrile 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Rey did not have to necessarily redo the whole "protect the loved ones" arc from Anakin, especially since it was teased from Episode VII about her long lost parents. It also would be a great set up for the Palpatine's granddaughter reveal. Maybe Palpatine would act as if he's helping Rey finding her lost parents through the force, but it was actually visions planted by Palpatine himself in order to manipulate Rey. And her accepting help from Palpatine will cause conflicts within the party, as Poe and Finn know that he is the bad guy. But as Luke once "saw the good in Vader", she would do too with Palpatine. Except unlike Luke, she's wrong.
@Player-257
@Player-257 3 жыл бұрын
I heard rumors that the "Sequel" trilogy has been decanonized secretly by Dave Filoni through The Mandalorian. I hope they keep the characters like Poe, Finn, And several iconic ones on the new timeline
@chrismarple
@chrismarple 3 жыл бұрын
The sequel trilogy as a whole needs to be destroyed.
@starpetalarts6668
@starpetalarts6668 2 жыл бұрын
Perhaps that's what he wrote the between worlds with Ezra Bridger for... so Ezra can save us from a horrible fate.
@mordith6126
@mordith6126 2 жыл бұрын
Who is Poe???? Finn, probably, is the ex stormtrooper, but who is Poe???? Pilot-guy?
@Rain-73019
@Rain-73019 2 жыл бұрын
@@mordith6126 yes, pilot guy
@blondetapperware8289
@blondetapperware8289 2 жыл бұрын
The rumor isn't true. It just gain propagation because it's what some want to hear. They aren't doing that.
@matti900
@matti900 4 жыл бұрын
I really like that you don't just crap on a movie, but instead, give suggestions about how it could have been better!
@ryanbarker5217
@ryanbarker5217 4 жыл бұрын
anything is an improvement. the groundwork of her becoming a gray jedi should have been laid out in EP8. the last movie isn't where you *begin* your character development, it's when you wrap it up! give the finale two movies and it could breathe, but that's not how JJ does things cuz 'breathing' means slowing down meaning you have to write and writing is hard, isn't it, JJ?
@night1952
@night1952 4 жыл бұрын
@@ryanbarker5217 You realize that JJ planted the seeds in EP7 then RJ burnt the field, right? EP9 was going to be a mess no matter what you did since it was left in a lockdown with the main characters arcs not been advanced and important characters killed off for no reason.
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 4 жыл бұрын
@@night1952 Yeah. If JJ followed the last jedi, Episode 9 would have been extremely boring and predictable: Rey trains the new resistance and beats Kylo. The end. YAY!! SPACE WIZARDS!! At least JJ tried (tried) to make it a bit more convoluted and less predictable.
@rafaeterna1081
@rafaeterna1081 4 жыл бұрын
criticism can be constructive if you learn to listen. it's hard to accept but if alarm goes of notifying the captain that his right wing plane engine has fail, screaming at the computer to ask it how to fix the engine midair wont help the captain...
@stupidusername84
@stupidusername84 4 жыл бұрын
Same here. I feel like I can process my frustration with a bad story when someone makes a constructively critical review of it.
@MichaelStrawn_I_am
@MichaelStrawn_I_am 4 жыл бұрын
Don’t worry bro. I got you. 4:27 “I’ll tell you what, if you want to see a movie that actually has a good build up In its story but you have no way to access said movie, I recommend: Nord VPN. Nord VPN is...”
@yarpen26
@yarpen26 4 жыл бұрын
I would have gone for that fakeass story on how John Boyega supposedly left the movie script at the hotel room.
@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man.
@MichaelStrawn_I_am
@MichaelStrawn_I_am 4 жыл бұрын
The Closer Look Lol. You got it.😎
@Unelephant
@Unelephant 3 жыл бұрын
11:20 Basically we give her the anakin RoS arc
@jonasehlbeck4800
@jonasehlbeck4800 3 жыл бұрын
That is what i was thinkinh
@marikka9347
@marikka9347 3 жыл бұрын
I agree, that is what I was thinking as he was going along. This just sounds like giving her Anakin's arrogance (hubris) and desire to be the most powerful to protect those he loves (because he is the only one who can).
@Adam-xf6sq
@Adam-xf6sq 3 жыл бұрын
Yea but she doesn’t fall to the dark side
@fusionwing4208
@fusionwing4208 3 жыл бұрын
But the outcome at the end would be different from anakin, despite the obvious similarities. For fans they would guess she'd embrace it only to be shocked she didnt, and did what anakin shouldve done. Sadly that didnt happen (id prefer them essentially copying a instance like that over what the movie actually gave us)
@PorgWitch
@PorgWitch 3 жыл бұрын
Omg ROS, Revenge of the Sith, Rise of Skywalker!
@Attaxalotl
@Attaxalotl Жыл бұрын
I thought this might've been about how Finn was robbed of literally every character opportunity he ever had, but this is also great!
@boomboone47
@boomboone47 3 жыл бұрын
I feel like Palpatine returning didn’t make much sense, since it undermines the prophecy on how Anakin was supposed to defeat Palpatine. If they did want to bring Palpatine it would’ve been cool if they did some crazy force magic shit and had something badass like Darth Vader emerging out of that massive Sith crowd to kill Palpatine as a force ghost or smth.
@kieslar0835
@kieslar0835 3 жыл бұрын
I always thought the prophecy was misread by the Jedi, anakin did bring balance to the force by destroying the Jedi with sidious. There never was a project to destroy the sith. Still, the new movies are shit I couldn’t finish the 2nd one and didn’t watch the 3rd. They wrecked the mandalorian too
@kieslar0835
@kieslar0835 3 жыл бұрын
Prophecy damn
@Player-257
@Player-257 3 жыл бұрын
@@kieslar0835 rumor said that the Sequels are not canon.
@grimreaper8300
@grimreaper8300 3 жыл бұрын
@@Player-257 yeah they're apparently in another universe
@realmario979
@realmario979 3 жыл бұрын
@@kieslar0835 Anakin did bring balance to the force by basically killing almost all Jedi & sith/dark Jedi, because then there was an actual balance of the force, instead of 2 - 7 dark side dudes and 10000+ jedi
@filipstellberg8280
@filipstellberg8280 4 жыл бұрын
This is what I would call the central issue with Rey's entire character. There is no arc; there is no flaw; there is no weakness; there is no struggle; there is no growth. The core concept behind creating tension is to establish what the characters can and can not do, their capabilities and limitations. This can be a specific set of morals, the need to grow in strength and maturity etc. You then place your characters into situations without easy solutions, which creates conflict, drama and tension. Rey has none of this. Whenever she is presented with an issue she always gets an easy out, be it a plot convenience, a plot hole, an arbitrary deus ex machina or a bail-out by another character: -Being chased by Stormtroopers? No worries she can fly a ship. -Being chased by TIE fighters? No worries she can fly better than anyone else in any previous SW movie. -Being shot at by a Stormtrooper? No worries she can shoot better than he can. -Being captured by Kylo? No worries she can just mind trick the guard even though she found out the Force was real mere hours ago. -Being trapped on a mobile laser-planet? No worries nobody notices her. -Being forced into a lightsaber duel with Kylo where she is pushed into a backwards bend over a chasm where he can easily push her off? No worries, Force Kaio-ken comes to her aid and she beats him up. -Falling into deep water? No worries she can swim just as well the next person even though she grew up in a desert. -Being captured and completely helpless against Snoke? No worries Kylo is here to deus ex machina her out of the situation. -Being tossed into quicksand and inexplicably losing her levitation powers? No worries there is actually a cave underneath. -Being confronted by a giant snake creature? No worries it is injured and she is able to appease it by healing the wound with another power pulled out of her ass. -Being unable to traverse the seas around the (sigh) Death Star wreckage? No worries she can do it no problem. -Seemingly being beaten by Kylo? No worries Leia is there to die for her. -Palpatine shooting his fleet-destroying lightning at her? No worries because "I am all the Jedi." -Dying? Nope Kylo is here and miraculously unlocks healing powers as well. She is essentially infallible. She never has to struggle and adapt and grow. The "lessons" that she is supposed to get don't amount to anything. When she does something that could be perceived as wrong, it never actually is because the outcome is always favorable and there are no consequences for her to grapple with. This means that her story has no tension, no relatability and no serious conflict.
@Jjrmtv
@Jjrmtv 4 жыл бұрын
well said. it's hard to root for a character who is by most definitions, perfect.
@ReporterRed
@ReporterRed 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. Rey is just an extremely bland and flat character. It's one of the reasons I was sooooo disappointed when Kylo Ren/Ben Solo, an infinitely more interesting character, died while she lived and just, like, took on the Skywalker name almost randomly.
@MrDUneven
@MrDUneven 4 жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree. And because she is so great at everything it makes the rest of the cast useless. Why not have a one focus for her so that the others can fill some other roles and make teamwork happen?
@rachelmccray6043
@rachelmccray6043 4 жыл бұрын
Filip Stellberg wow that was so beautifully said. Honestly, they should have coaxed her with the darkness more and proved (just like all innately evil things) from the outside it may seem like all of your problems are solved, but in the long run you’re gonna get screwed. I don’t understand why big box office films don’t just make their characters more (oh I don’t know) HUMAN! Having perfect characters like Captain Marvel and Superman are HIGHLY unrelatable. The audience they are trying to appeal to doesn’t exist.
@kossend1
@kossend1 4 жыл бұрын
"Being unable to traverse the seas...no worries, she can do it." That sentence sums up her character perfectly.
@silverstarlightproductions1292
@silverstarlightproductions1292 4 жыл бұрын
So basically, you would give her the same temptations that Anakin had, but have her make the opposite choice. At least that would have kept with the consistent theme of Star Wars.
@Playhouse76
@Playhouse76 4 жыл бұрын
Hmm, if only we'd seen that before. Perhaps with one of Anakin's children...
@flashtirade
@flashtirade 4 жыл бұрын
That internal conflict would have made her more like Darth Vader than Kylo.
@simple7708
@simple7708 4 жыл бұрын
Still would have been better than what Disney did give us
@Kaz_Rytveld
@Kaz_Rytveld 3 жыл бұрын
It's incredible how one dude made a better story in a couple weeks tops, than a team of writers who had presumably much longer and much better pay.
@oliverford5367
@oliverford5367 Жыл бұрын
I've never understood why they gave the sequels to people who either lack creativity (JJ) or appear to hate the series (Rian). The Rings of Power has the same issue, that it's creators don't seem to care for the source material
@ElliottWong2024
@ElliottWong2024 4 жыл бұрын
Rey's character summed up: Act 1 - Who am I really? Well, let's shelve that question for a potential future adventure. Act 2 - Oh, I just found out who I really am, and it is disheartening to learn such a devastating truth. Act 3 - Since I dislike my birth identity, let me just discard it and get a new one. They could have sent Rey on a journey to clean the Palpatine family name. That would have been so much more compelling.
@kiyawilliams4416
@kiyawilliams4416 4 жыл бұрын
And the fact that Rey is overpowered so when someone offers her more power is redundant
@patrickmascarenhas4414
@patrickmascarenhas4414 4 жыл бұрын
Virgin Rey Chad Ahsoka
@dashuntas.m4045
@dashuntas.m4045 4 жыл бұрын
Patrick Mascarenhas Thad Shaak Ti
@adrianinha19
@adrianinha19 4 жыл бұрын
"The Dark side isn´t more powerful, is just more seductive," holy shit that line really hit me: that sumarizes star wars better than anything I've ever heard. Thanks for this video, man, I even got a few tips that I can apply to my own writing!
@impulse5674
@impulse5674 4 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure Yoda said that in empire
@mukkaar
@mukkaar 4 жыл бұрын
I have read quite a bit of Star Wars lore and this is true, but not necessarily in way people think. *All* of dark and light are equal in power. And since Sith made rule of one master and apprentice that power has been concentrated on them. Very first Jedi used to explore both dark and light side in balance, thus force was in balance naturally. And later this broke up to factions of Sith and Jedi. Thus instead of internal balancing of the force, it happened from external conflict of sith and jedi.
@OneEyedCloud01
@OneEyedCloud01 4 жыл бұрын
That's a Yoda quote. He says that it's faster, more seductive
@Gadget-Walkmen
@Gadget-Walkmen 3 жыл бұрын
That’s actually not true. The dark side actually is more powerful because it’s a faster and easier way to achieve power in a short amount of time at the cost of your sanity.
@jeffbenton6183
@jeffbenton6183 3 жыл бұрын
@@impulse5674 I thought it was Return of the Jedi
@theduckthatsees225
@theduckthatsees225 Жыл бұрын
I love how he can make up a better story on the spot than all the "revered" writers that Disney hired to make the movie could do in weeks. Just one suggestion - force lightning can't just be used by accident (Disney got this wrong as well). It is an ability that you have to train for extensively to master. In Rey's fight with Kylo, her use of the dark side could be a little more subtle, like getting into a battle frenzy and that being the reason she defeats him. Then, while she explores the range of the dark side, she slowly looks at the more difficult abilities, using her anger, utilising force choke, and eventually beginning to use force lightning.
@Crippycooke
@Crippycooke 4 жыл бұрын
The trilogy should have been about: Rey turning Kylo good, or slipping to the dark side herself. Finn overcoming Phasma and saving the stormtroopers (enslaved as children) The rebellion/resistance, led by Poe, stopping the First Order taking over their planets. Pretty simple stuff to stretch over three movies. Palpatine and the OG characters (Luke, Leia, Han) really didn't need to return. Let the new characters take over.
@cowsquidman5679
@cowsquidman5679 4 жыл бұрын
You made me realize what I hate the most of this trilogy that I didn’t recognize before. Thank you, I can finally stop watching Star Wars videos and move on.
@night1952
@night1952 4 жыл бұрын
And that's where it was going before TLJ. The OG characters were meant to return to pass the torch, but RJ ruined Luke and JJ had to use Leia as a replacement.
@Crippycooke
@Crippycooke 4 жыл бұрын
@@cowsquidman5679 What did you hate the most about this trilogy? Mine was the OG characters returning and the new ones having botched arcs.
@Crippycooke
@Crippycooke 4 жыл бұрын
@@night1952 Yep. Really pissed me off. I wouldn't mind the OG characters literally handing over the torch in TFA and then moving on. Han dying was fine, Leia could have sacrificed herself, not Holdo. Luke could sacrifice himself to save the rebellion like in TLJ. But do all that in the first movie and then set up the new guys for the remaining two movies to follow through with their arcs.
@QNPMEDIA
@QNPMEDIA 4 жыл бұрын
Most sensible comment I've seen in this thread
@gergelystechnicmodels8565
@gergelystechnicmodels8565 4 жыл бұрын
The problem with giving Rey an arc is that she has no real flaws for her arc to fix. If she had shown that she wanted power or revenge or that she was selfish, we might have believed that she could flip to the dark side.
@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 4 жыл бұрын
That is true. It's kind of like being forced to make dinner when the only things you have are ketchup and avocados. The only way to make her interesting is to throw in a bunch of flaws that the prior movies didn't set up.
@unclearsector4266
@unclearsector4266 4 жыл бұрын
Idk bruh she has a couple small ones. In half of TFA was her trying to get back to Jakku and not doing things because she decided she had already been gone too long. She is seduced by the dark side in TLJ at least twice with that dark side cave on Luke's island. Luke had pretty much the same flaws. He didn't want to do anything in ANH at the beginning because he had to help his aunt and uncle. But they got killed, so he left. Then, he goes into the dark side cave with his weapons and "fails" in the words of Yoda. Then he leaves his training to go save his friends on Bespin, against Yoda and Obi-Wan's will. He embraces the dark side in ROTJ to beat Vader. If anything, Rey has the same or even more of an arc than Luke. All Luke learned was that he shouldn't use the dark side, and that was at the very end of ROTJ. I'm not discounting the originals, or saying that the sequels are perfect, but it's not like the originals are just this source of amazing character arcs. Luke learns a lesson at the very end. Leia stays the same. Han leaves smuggling and joins the Rebels. Just like with Kylo, the best arc comes from the dark side in the form of Vader. In ESB, Vader doesn't want to kill him. When Palpatine says that he should be killed, Vader pretty much pleads to Palps that Luke is "just a boy" and does everything in his power to turn him to the dark side instead of killing him. Then, in ep6, Luke knows he is conflicted and tries to bring him back, but Vader says it is too late for him. Vader knows that if Luke struck the Emperor down, he would join the dark side, so he stopped Luke's lightsaber from killing the Emperor. Luke uses the dark side to overpower Vader, and is then tortured by the Emperor. Vader the sacrifices his life to save his son.
@justbny9278
@justbny9278 4 жыл бұрын
@@unclearsector4266 being seduced by external forces because they got more going on than you do doesn't really show flaws, specially in fantasy when people can literally be mind controlled. I honestly don't care at all about how the original trilogy was or how the prequel were,that doesn't matter nor does it reflect the quality of movies that weren't even made by the same people,it doesn't matter if Phantom Menace sucks if you're talking about Empire Strikes Back because they're not the same movies. Rey could've worked better as a paragon character from the end of Last Jedi where she comes back at the end to save the day, changing things around instead of being changed herself
@originalflimflam
@originalflimflam 4 жыл бұрын
I liked Rian Johnson's choice to make her parents 'nobodies', and her flaw was failing to accept this- opening up a whole new world of anti-chosen one writing opportunities. Apparently Abrams wasn't to keen
@joshmoritty
@joshmoritty 4 жыл бұрын
@@unclearsector4266 You're right. The Prequels and Originals serves and focuses on Vader's arc. The other characters in those films overall weren't as fleshed out as his. But it's not like Luke doesn't have a good arc either. In the beginning he's too ambitious, always looking towards the future. He always wanted to leave home and go on an adventure throughout the Galaxy. He doesn't even grief that much about Owen and Beru charred and his homestead burned down, because he was finally freed from his responsibilities and restrictions. Obi-Wan told him about his father, who he then looked up to and wanted to be, and the Force, further fueling his curiosity and flame of adventure. Not to mention he was stubborn, clumsy, and ignorant; he couldn't keep his mouth shut for things he didn't know about. The arc starts to develop in the next movie. Luke learns that the man he always looked up to is the same man he passionately hates, shattering his stubborn hope and kicked some sense of reality in him. The arc develops even more in ROTJ, when he trained with Yoda. He learned the importance of lying down for a bit and actually learn something from a master. He was taught to stop worrying about the future and instead live in the present moment. The rest goes as you have described. IMO Luke's arc is much better than Rey's still. It's not really fair to compare those two arcs though, because if we're talking about the Sequels here, Kylo Ren's the main arc, maybe even one of the only characters who has an actual arc.
@CinemaStix
@CinemaStix 4 жыл бұрын
At least it can be used as evidence in courtrooms and to teach children that money doesn’t buy you greatness.
@ulmerbrothers2076
@ulmerbrothers2076 4 жыл бұрын
Nope it definitely doesn't. But in Disney's case you might say that greatness got them money (which they have wasted by parodying their former greatness with a higher budget)
@norcalroamer5774
@norcalroamer5774 4 жыл бұрын
This movie along with the Last Jedi should be used as a torture tactic in Gitmo.
@hotshotpc
@hotshotpc 2 жыл бұрын
I would’ve loved to see a twist where Rey does go fully to the dark side after all this build up in temptation, but on the other side of the spectrum, Kylo becomes progressively more lenient to the light because of his fathers and Luke’s words ringing in his head. By their final conflict at the Death Star, the energy fully shifts and we visually see either with a swap in blue and red lighting or maybe somewhere in the fight they swap weapons, but we see the final change. Ben Solo/Skywalker VS Rey Palpatine, the real Rise of Skywalker was his journey all along.
@anakinskywalker5795
@anakinskywalker5795 8 ай бұрын
Now THIS is a MUCH better plot.
@anakinskywalker5795
@anakinskywalker5795 8 ай бұрын
Now THIS is a MUCH better plot.
@whenthemusicsover6028
@whenthemusicsover6028 4 жыл бұрын
"Abrams clearly tries to give Rey a character arc and give this story some much needed internal conflict. I mean, he doesn't pull it off but he does try." Do. Or do not. There _is_ no try.
@ComradeOgilvy1984
@ComradeOgilvy1984 4 жыл бұрын
Anyone who has watched the Abrams' Star Trek movies would be completely unsurprised how JJ trying comes no where close to succeeding. He goes through the motions and makes the cinematography pretty. That is all. It is not a valiant effort to sense your own work has problems and hope a superficial bandaid will be good enough.
@DorotaGabal
@DorotaGabal 3 жыл бұрын
@Tree House that is so sad, and so true! Poe and Finn might be her friends, but they can never relate. Luke is dead. Leia is dead. Hell, even Kylo, who is a deeply flawed human being is dead. Those are the people who hold power like her, and have to struggle with the seduction of the dark side, yet, even as he redeems himself, he dies. I know it was more him who seeked the connection with her, but she needed it too.
@MrPilton
@MrPilton 3 жыл бұрын
I think this is giving JJ to much credit
@raafeyplayz7015
@raafeyplayz7015 3 жыл бұрын
@@DorotaGabal we barely see the three bond much (except The Force Awakens). After TFA, they just either split or don’t really have moments with each other other than doing their mission.
@RedFloyd469
@RedFloyd469 3 жыл бұрын
@@raafeyplayz7015 Yes, finn is effectively reduced to a guy that just yells "REY" every time something needs to happen that he can't handle. TFA gave us, at the very least, a relatively good character arc for Finn, but then after that they didn't do anything with him anymore. Not to mention The Last Jedi tried to paint Poe as an egocentric "mansplaining" douchebag when really all his actions in that film, barring the first scene, were justified.
@Kaboomboo
@Kaboomboo 4 жыл бұрын
I like that fans can make a better story than the high paid writers.
@missnanunana01
@missnanunana01 4 жыл бұрын
It says so much about the writers and the Lore and stuff they do not understand but the Fans do..
@MiloMcCarthyMusic
@MiloMcCarthyMusic 4 жыл бұрын
I don’t
@solalchomand5910
@solalchomand5910 4 жыл бұрын
Most fans can’t. In a fan base so large there’s bound to be some very talented and creative people who could have written much better stories, and as bad as TROS was, fans are better at pointing out what went wrong than actually building a story from the ground up. Most people who try to rewrite the movie still use Abrams’ and Terrio’s core as foundation
@Sharpe2007Dent
@Sharpe2007Dent 4 жыл бұрын
Don't forget those writers have to limit themselves to A) fixing TLJ and B) gets it all approved by Kathleen Kennedy. So not their fault as much.
@yeahokbuddy2510
@yeahokbuddy2510 4 жыл бұрын
It’s not the actors fault you know... it’s the writers and directors fault. They made the movie
@simonesalvatore9345
@simonesalvatore9345 4 жыл бұрын
2018 Closer Look: *Why this film is brilliant* 2019/20 Closer Look: *Why this film is utter wank and fails spectacularly*
@TheCloserLook
@TheCloserLook 4 жыл бұрын
Hey, mans got to get those views XD
@nnickplays9713
@nnickplays9713 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCloserLook and also don't forget the decreasing state of quality films. And it seems like an franchises that's the only way they go
@masterpenguin8472
@masterpenguin8472 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheCloserLook But seriously mate, why not make some more positive videos, yeah?
@manaeth
@manaeth 4 жыл бұрын
@@masterpenguin8472 one learns more from other's failures and then explanation what could have been done differently, tna examples of what is done perfectly.
@grey_f98
@grey_f98 4 жыл бұрын
@@masterpenguin8472 his last video about knives out was positive, go watch that
@krosis2057
@krosis2057 2 жыл бұрын
I love how by making Rey's character arch better, you're turning it into what Anakin's arch was. "I want more. But i know i shouldn't", nightmares about Padmé dying, "even save the ones you love, from dying", "is it possible to learn this power?" "Im more powerful than the Chancellor, i can overthrow him"
@typicalprivate3288
@typicalprivate3288 4 жыл бұрын
Tbh, a much better protagonist would've been Kylo Ren. Imagine, a Star Wars movie seen from the apparent bad guy. Kylo Ren. It would've been the opposite of Anakin's Fall to the Dark Side. In all honesty, I see Kylo as the hero of this story. Much better character than Rey, who had no struggle. Meanwhile, Kylo has his struggle of still remembering his old life as Ben.
@andreacalderon4062
@andreacalderon4062 4 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU YES
@poekpally
@poekpally 4 жыл бұрын
The film wanted a strong female lead that everyone loved however they fail but some how still managed to give the male villain a better story arc. Disney tried hating on men and still made them look better in the end
@IshtarNike
@IshtarNike 4 жыл бұрын
He was much more interesting, this is true.
@ocadioan
@ocadioan 4 жыл бұрын
He would have needed a whole lot more motivation written in for that to work. For instance, what does he get from The Last Order and Snoke that allows him to justify killing so many and be treated as a servant by his master? Pure power? What does he need power for, or why does having more power feel worth it to him?
@pastelpatriot2256
@pastelpatriot2256 4 жыл бұрын
I AGREE👏👏👏👏👏
@anis5988
@anis5988 4 жыл бұрын
The thing is that Abrams tried to "FIX" what Johnson did to this series, when he could have just roll with it and make it really good. This movie is kinda made to undo Last jedi. That's the problem.
@markchapman6800
@markchapman6800 4 жыл бұрын
And TLJ just threw away a bunch of plot hooks set up by Abrams in TFA. See my comment above about two toddlers.
@niklasmalcharczyk
@niklasmalcharczyk 4 жыл бұрын
Even if TLJ would't exist, TFA and TROS would be better movies, but still not good movies.
@jmc28J17
@jmc28J17 4 жыл бұрын
Well the TLJ was terrible and it threw away plot points abrams originally set up. TFA had it’s issues but it was a solid start, and had they stuck to the original plan, then this sequel trilogy could have been decent. TLJ sealed the nail in the coffin. That’s what happens when you hire someone to direct Star Wars who doesn’t understand it, doesn’t respect it or the fans, and ignores plot points that were set up previously. How I’d change the sequel trilogy starts with TFA when she’s captured by Kylo. Rey is able to resist his force torture which shows she has a natural force ability, Kylo is shocked and he tells Snoke. The question is why and how is she resistant to his force torture? Who is she? We answer that in the next movie. However I’d change how she escapes (she doesn’t force mind trick the stormtrooper), and when she faces Kylo briefly at the end while Starkiller base is being destroyed, Kylo holds back and she only escapes by luck. Then TLJ starts a couple years later rather than directly after and you follow the plot points set up like who is Rey, who are her parents? Another storyline to focus on would be Finn. He’s a former stormtrooper and he’s having conflict issues knowing many of the stormtroopers are like him, and it shows the struggle as he fights against the first order. Rey trains with Luke but the difference is she’s been training with him for about 2-3 years which is the time gap between TFA and TLJ. Also, Luke has been keeping secrets from Rey as he knows who she is and this will create conflict with them later on. That’s just a brief outline of how I would have approached TLJ. Also, Snoke is someone who matters and his identity is also in question. I think he should have been darth plageus. That’s just knowing basic knowledge about Star Wars. I’m not even a full Star Wars nerd. Edits/Additions* also I will add that Rey possible turning to the dark side would be a good direction if done correctly and built up since she’s conflicted from TFA, wanting to know who she is, where she belongs, etc., that plus Luke keeping secrets from her creates conflict between them, and who is there to comfort her, telling her this is where she belongs, it would be Kylo Ren. These are ideas that come to mind by brainstorming. Imagine sitting down to discuss it, putting in Star Wars lore so it makes sense to make a decent, consistent story. Rey Palpatine could even work. Reason why it didn’t was because Palpatine literally came out of nowhere due to TLJ backlash. Those are just what I think.
@jmc28J17
@jmc28J17 4 жыл бұрын
Niklas Malcharczyk true, they would be very average at best since the writing and character arcs are very lazy. TLJ just makes it that much worse.
@niklasmalcharczyk
@niklasmalcharczyk 4 жыл бұрын
@@jmc28J17 sorry that I am not gonna write a text as long as yours, cause I just want to say that you are absolutely right.
@Deathlygunn
@Deathlygunn 4 жыл бұрын
The thing that gets me about Abrams trying to make it look like Rey is going to turn to the Dark Side is we've already seen Kylo offer her the chance to join him three times by the time Palpatine asks her. Not just that but Rey actually cares about Kylo and has still had the strength to turn him down each time, so why would she suddenly turn heel once Palpatine asks.
@iSaraSeantae
@iSaraSeantae 4 жыл бұрын
But like, why did she turn him down? Kylo flat out told Rey he wanted to leave both sides behind and start fresh moving forward. With her by his side. As an equal. Rey had the chance to stop the war and bring balance to the force without resistance and with the partnership of someone extremely powerful with the force who she knows still feels the pull of the light side. Why didn't she take it?
@fernfern9183
@fernfern9183 4 жыл бұрын
@@iSaraSeantae because she is too stubborn and too stupid.
@flaviomonteiro1414
@flaviomonteiro1414 2 жыл бұрын
My biggest problem with Kylo is that I'm not afraid of him our heroes bested him TWICE already... While Vader... Luke was bested by him every time (besides the trench run but Vader was distracted) until LUKE gives up to rage and then WON seeing the similarities between him and his father...
@Iroquois_Pliskin
@Iroquois_Pliskin 3 жыл бұрын
I would actually pay to see your version of ROS, it's astonishing how bad Abrams/Disney failed.
@davandutra-smith8505
@davandutra-smith8505 4 жыл бұрын
I would also like to point out that “kill me so I can take over your body and work you like a puppet” is also not a very good offer to begin with like even if she was totally a with lord she wouldn’t have accepted that offer 😂
@ryanbarker5217
@ryanbarker5217 4 жыл бұрын
i didn't understand the incentive there, either. like offering whathisname, rey's bad boy she can fix, a fleet of ships to control the galaxy with... as opposed to the fleet of ships he controls the galaxy with already? he was already fine playing second fiddle to joke, i mean smoke, i mean bjork, i mean snork, so why wouldn't he be chill with fellating palpenstein? or was he? fuck a duck, i'm so cornfused....
@phm6834
@phm6834 4 жыл бұрын
It could even have been a "but" which makes her reconsider. "Join me and you can bring peace to the galaxy" - "NO REY, HE WANTS TO POSSESS YOU". The Emperor would never, and he did never, talk about being evil. The Dark Side is not evil, he wants to restore balance, peace, but by force, not by democracy. When did Palpatine become a cartoon villain instead of a Dictator? If he has a friggin Sith Planet at his disposal, why even bother stage the clone wars n stuff?
@nickolausafon5458
@nickolausafon5458 4 жыл бұрын
"Kill me... inherit my strength. Fulfill your destiny and never fear the Darth Side again..." would have been better. Her fear/dread of Bogan was her bigger motivation. She feared pain and loss and the dark power represented that for her. If he just used That logic, it would be a more reasonable ploy and a better struggle. The old "doomed by evil" idea is good too, like Frodo she could side with evil in the very end but end up being killed by Rey or visa vs and this would break evil's control, and then it would all be done with.
@FreyaEinde
@FreyaEinde 4 жыл бұрын
I just feel like...you have clone slugs. Put your ass in a young and empty vessel so you don't have to convince anybody to give you their body... c'mon!
@alonztec2953
@alonztec2953 3 жыл бұрын
Luke: arguably one of the best and coolest characters ever written Anakin: literally the chosen one, became one of the most powerful Sith Lords ever, saved his son in a moment of redemption Rey “Skywalker”: hehe force go brrrrrrrrrrr
@MrRyan-wu4jx
@MrRyan-wu4jx 3 жыл бұрын
You’re giving way too much credit to Luke, there’s not that much to the character.
@Player-257
@Player-257 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrRyan-wu4jx Well... The legends Luke is badass
@Player-257
@Player-257 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrRyan-wu4jx The canon is actually good too. Not on the "sequel" though
@MrRyan-wu4jx
@MrRyan-wu4jx 3 жыл бұрын
@@Player-257 I just don’t feel like there’s enough middle ground in between his progression from insufferable whiny brat to pompous cold Jedi master. I’ve only seen the films, I’m sure there’s more to it in other media but most people don’t go deeper than just what’s presented in the movies.
@captain_blueyt6113
@captain_blueyt6113 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrRyan-wu4jx Well that's the problem with the sequels as well...
@Papa_Waffles
@Papa_Waffles 3 жыл бұрын
The way you made a scenario of Rey falling to the Dark Side that would be an amazing story I would ACTUALLY love
@PlanetZoidstar
@PlanetZoidstar 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, especially when everything came so easily to her, she never struggled, she never failed, she's amazingly powerful and talented. That kind of success and lack of effort leads to arrogance, entitlement is an easy path to the dark side.
@damkylan3
@damkylan3 2 жыл бұрын
​@@PlanetZoidstar She struggled and failed in TLJ. A lot. She is manipulated and played for a fool by Snoke, and then he kicks her ass with no effort. She gets suckered in by Kylo's bullshit and ends up being completely wrong about him while Luke was right. Even her victory over Kylo in the first movie is made a mockery of by Snoke when he reveals that she only won because Kylo was severely weakened after his plan of killing Han to complete his shift to the dark side backfired on him. People try so hard to forget TLJ that they've forgotten it addresses half their complaints about her.
@PlanetZoidstar
@PlanetZoidstar 2 жыл бұрын
@@damkylan3 Hmmmhh. Not really. Outside of getting clowned on by Snoke (he IS a Palpatine clone so it would have been unbelievable if she didn't get clowned on by him), whom is unceremoniously killed off by Kylo Ren moments later. Whom Rey is able to recover than faster AND escape offscreen all on her own from a crumbling Supremacy. Except Rey ends up being right and Kylo is ultimately redeemed by her. He was wrong about her parents and Luke was wrong about Kylo (He felt Kylo was beyond saving but Rey believed - and she is proven right in RoS). Even if Kylo was wounded he STILL lost to an untrained force user in her very first Lightsaber fight. A win is a win and she humiliated him. Kylo being weakened by his killing Han (besides getting shot by Chewie, really Kylo should be DEAD from that attack) was a throwaway line to make her victory over him seem more believable. I saw TLJ and I've seen multiple video essays dissecting every scene. It addresses some complaints (poorly) but it raises many, MANY more complaints. It is NOT a good film and existed purely to subvert expectations. It barely moves the plot forward, only the deaths of Snoke and Luke affect the status quo. Nothing else of substance happens. You could have them die offscreen and nothing would have changed between TFA and RoS.
@SmokeyLaBear
@SmokeyLaBear 4 жыл бұрын
Your rewrite has several similarities to Colin Trevorrow's Duel of the Fates draft script. [1] Rey struggles with her self esteem through the first two acts. She pressures herself to protect everyone in the galaxy from the First Order. "I can’t be who they need me to be. I’m not strong enough." [2] Rey kills the last Knight of Ren by frying him with Force lightning. This was after she got disarmed and knocked to the ground during the fight. "The body falls, smoking. Rey rises. Poe and Chewbacca are watching her, disturbed."
@_manjaca
@_manjaca 3 жыл бұрын
The “Im not good enough arc” you mentioned reminded me of the episodes in rebels where ezra is using the sith holocron to obtain enough power to be able to protect his friends. Pretty much what you described
@CherryBotV2
@CherryBotV2 2 жыл бұрын
Ezra is like rey but well written
@3adgamd3r
@3adgamd3r 2 жыл бұрын
@@CherryBotV2 I wouldn’t say he’s well written, just better written than Rey, which is a really fuckin low bar 😂
@Circiely
@Circiely 2 жыл бұрын
@@3adgamd3r I wouldn't say Ezra was even close to being Rey because he couldn't even properly fight with a Lightsaber until SEASON THREE. He had his moments where he was a little better in the force than he probably should've been but it could easily be explained by the ancient Sith holocron he constantly used after Kanan kind of abandoned him. I'm not saying that Ezra was the most well written character out there but saying Hes "just better than Rey" was a mild understatement.
@shadithakis
@shadithakis 4 жыл бұрын
Rey in the first movie had a focus on how lonley she was. She had a new family (kindve) at the beginning of this movie what Abrams should've done is have a device between her and the other characters and have palpatine give her a warm welcome and be friendly
@jzy3224
@jzy3224 2 жыл бұрын
That reimagined plot was actually satisfying with the visuals seeming to correspond
@Crippycooke
@Crippycooke 4 жыл бұрын
What is Rey's arc meant to be? She was independent and highly-capable from the beginning. Making a character without flaw gives them no room to grow.
@unclearsector4266
@unclearsector4266 4 жыл бұрын
So was Luke bruh
@-Teague-
@-Teague- 4 жыл бұрын
@@unclearsector4266 wdym he relied on old Ben to do anything the entire first film
@BozheTsaryaKhrani
@BozheTsaryaKhrani 4 жыл бұрын
Unclear Sector luke has flaws
@unclearsector4266
@unclearsector4266 4 жыл бұрын
@@-Teague- Not really. Only getting on the Death Star and getting a pilot. He saved Leia, escaped the Death Star, then blew it up. Not to mention what he does in ESB and ROTJ
@unclearsector4266
@unclearsector4266 4 жыл бұрын
@@BozheTsaryaKhrani Luke has as many flaws as Rey. Their characters are practically the exact same, except that Rey is constantly looking for a family/parental figures. Luke isn't.
@GustavoGplay
@GustavoGplay 4 жыл бұрын
The best part about this trilogy is that it's finally over
@joevines3428
@joevines3428 4 жыл бұрын
Oh sweet Gustavo do you honestly think this shit over?
@DarkSpade87
@DarkSpade87 4 жыл бұрын
(Cuts to shot of John Boyega) HENRY: "Just add in a Black male motivation" ME: 0_0 "OHHH BLACKMAIL. He said 'BLACKMAIL.'" Thought the video was about to go way off the rails there for a second, lol
@Patty4580
@Patty4580 4 жыл бұрын
I had the SAME EXACT reaction. LOL!
@idontknowyet2875
@idontknowyet2875 3 жыл бұрын
Good, someone else misheard it so I don't have to feel dumb
@deshthewraithLoL
@deshthewraithLoL 3 жыл бұрын
@@idontknowyet2875 Not even misheard. Black male and blackmail sound exactly the same lmao
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 3 жыл бұрын
The exaggerated motivation of a black male
@faith8092
@faith8092 3 жыл бұрын
I literally thought the same thing 😂😂
@wizardgamireal8332
@wizardgamireal8332 2 жыл бұрын
I feel like it would be interesting if she actually went to the dark side and kylo came to the light side. It could be interesting to see how the characters change from each side of the force
@sonicfan2403
@sonicfan2403 Жыл бұрын
Exactly
@clum6478
@clum6478 3 жыл бұрын
I wish Rey turned evil and Ben turned good and wasn’t killed off
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah I didn't want ben to die but his character was never gonna be used for anything.
@Belgar
@Belgar 2 жыл бұрын
I honestly think Kylo is a character that had so much potential, Adam Driver delivered a great performance that was completely shadowed by the awful story, and don't get me started on John Boyega, he was so great I was surprised he wasn't the actual protagonist.
@bananaboatcharlie
@bananaboatcharlie 2 жыл бұрын
Would have been heartbreaking but a *bold* choice from Disney and it would have been EPIC
@2nerC9
@2nerC9 2 жыл бұрын
I think both characters should just be erased from memory and never be talked again. Except for maybe Kylo Ren but they should make another character to kind of replace him not that big of a deal
@janesgems7
@janesgems7 2 жыл бұрын
@@Belgar The last films in the Skywalker saga....should have been about the last Skywalker, not the last Palpatine.
@RamenEnjoyer404
@RamenEnjoyer404 4 жыл бұрын
someone put this man in charge of star wars immediately
@brookenash8729
@brookenash8729 3 жыл бұрын
Him and critical drinker.
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 3 жыл бұрын
No we need someone who needs to put feminism in star wars. Oh and something about rich people being bad? Disney isn't rich or anything hehh
@arsenal-slr9552
@arsenal-slr9552 3 жыл бұрын
Or literally anyone who took a fiction wrting class, not even finished the class, just went a few times.
@Valentina-uc2sr
@Valentina-uc2sr 2 жыл бұрын
I would say he could become a writer for it, but let Dace Filoni be in charge
@SushiVolcano
@SushiVolcano 4 жыл бұрын
When you said "blackmail" and cut to Finn, I thought you said "black male." smh XD
@darzimus
@darzimus 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@ZayanK
@ZayanK 4 жыл бұрын
bruh...
@paul6925
@paul6925 4 жыл бұрын
lol I’m glad I wasn’t the only one
@aresef
@aresef 4 жыл бұрын
yeah I was like uhhhhh
@abdulkhafidsulaymaan
@abdulkhafidsulaymaan 4 жыл бұрын
😂 🤣 😭 I did too... 🤔 Now that I think about it, maybe he did that on purpose.. 😁
@visnoga5054
@visnoga5054 6 ай бұрын
Man I LOVE your rewrites of stories! Not only do you make the arc more compelling (I was really into it), but you also give actual writing advice. I write a story with 2 sibling MCs, and the idea is that they are all wrong with their ways somehow, and I still had struggles with how to flesh out one of them's wants, but finally you sprinkled the idea of an element I needed to make it a good character arc.
@MoreLikeMerMad
@MoreLikeMerMad 4 жыл бұрын
Can you imagine if in that confrontation Finn has with Rey, he says, "I'm afraid that you'll go where I can't follow." AWESOME tie-in and allows Abrams that hint of attraction that he was strongly hinting at in the first movie!
@DCMarvelMultiverse
@DCMarvelMultiverse 4 жыл бұрын
Palpatine: What are you? Chicken?! Rey: No one calls me chicken!
@MansBestFriend_
@MansBestFriend_ 4 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of that one scene in The Room Chicken chicken cheeeerp chirp chirp chirp chirp
@legatesotomayor9692
@legatesotomayor9692 4 жыл бұрын
Papaltine: I'm all Turkey Rey:And I'm all the Chicken
@isaacgurtiza1780
@isaacgurtiza1780 4 жыл бұрын
I feel like this is something that back to the future would say.
@aforeigner1557
@aforeigner1557 4 жыл бұрын
That reference tho lol
@fahoodie1852
@fahoodie1852 4 жыл бұрын
Legate Sotomayor I laughed at this comment harder than I should’ve
@apricotmadness4850
@apricotmadness4850 4 жыл бұрын
This entire saga should have revolved around Finn; a stormtrooper turned good and one who eventually became a Jedi. Rey should have been the secondary main character, and she should have turned to the Dark Side with Kylo Ren and ultimately become more enamored with it even more so then Kylo due to her being the granddaughter of the most evil man in the galaxy. Kylo should have seen the Light near the middle of the third movie only to be betrayed and killed by Rey leaving Finn to fight her (who he deeply considered to be a great friend), whilst being his last test as a Jedi and leaving Luke to fight Palpatine in the final act of the last movie only to die, but not before seriously wounding Palpatine and leaving Finn to deliver the final blow with some help from the resistance. The final movie should have been called: Duel of Two Fates. The fate of the Skywalkers against Palpatine and the fate of two friends who went down different paths ultimately clashing together. This shit literally writes itself.
@KoBaC
@KoBaC 4 жыл бұрын
That is a great idea for the trilogy we unfortunately received. It also would have wrapped up the idea of the Skywalker family as well.
@damianspence
@damianspence 4 жыл бұрын
Love this
@Ultra5paceNinja
@Ultra5paceNinja 4 жыл бұрын
Wow. You know what's funny to me, a friend and I were talking about this movie last week and he basically said the same thing you did, and I had the same basic plot as this video, except mine had some elements of your idea.
@pierceromeyn8433
@pierceromeyn8433 4 жыл бұрын
How a fan can make a better script then a bunch of idiots
@night1952
@night1952 4 жыл бұрын
Finn was my favorite part of TFA, then when i saw what they did to my boy in TLJ's trailers i knew i didn't have to watch that movie and i was right. Let's just send him off in a completely useless quest with an unsufferable new character.
@Corvothing24
@Corvothing24 3 жыл бұрын
You know… bringing up blackmail motivation… as you switched to a shot of Fin… gave me a little whiplash as i figured out what you were talking about 👀
@silversunset
@silversunset 4 жыл бұрын
A Jedi who wants more and more power to save the ones they love. Reminds me of Anakin. If your idea happened in the movie, it would TOTALLY work with the poetry thing in Star Wars. like if both Anakin and decades later Rey fell down the same path except unlike Anakin, Rey would be able to resist the temptation to fall into the dark side when given a choice.
@pierresihite8854
@pierresihite8854 4 жыл бұрын
That... Would've been very satisfying
@DonVigaDeFierro
@DonVigaDeFierro 4 жыл бұрын
@Ryan ODonohue Do you think that the Matrix, Lord of the rings and Harry Potter are all a copy & paste of the same story? because all three follow the hero's journey.
@silversunset
@silversunset 4 жыл бұрын
Ryan ODonohue it’s more of them being parallels. Copying would be like the Force Awakens: taking ideas because of unoriginality or some other reason besides creative direction. If you mirror the stories with intent of making them parallels and contrasting the two, then it’s fine. Things in Star Wars rhyme, and you can’t rhyme with no repetition. But it should be done tastefully, with the purpose of making a great story and builds on and adds to what was established. It shouldn’t be overdone, forced or cheap.
@NinjaElephant
@NinjaElephant 4 жыл бұрын
Prequels: Hero falls for dark side, originals: hero resists dark side, sequels should be: hero finds balance, or understand a deeper root to both sides to go beyond.
@mariealexandrinne6997
@mariealexandrinne6997 4 жыл бұрын
YES ! Exactly. That's what pisses me off the most about this movie. Especially when considering they kept a light/dark confrontation for sequel material, not caring for the story they were telling at the time.
@nickolausafon5458
@nickolausafon5458 4 жыл бұрын
Grey is lame. We needed something better than "balance" but we needed some of that. Star Wars for millennials. We needed the best parts of both trilogies with a Lot of content from the Legacy books. Perhaps Luke and Leia killed off Palpatine's clown and eventually sired new Jedi. But the Jedi struggled against new enemies. ... and the Sith had also returned as Palpatine had not planned.
@carolinea6769
@carolinea6769 4 жыл бұрын
This! To change Rey's arc in the way the video suggests is certainly an improvement, but it's also a repeat of Luke Skywalker's arc from the OT. To move past the dichotomy, to go "gray" is actually the proper conclusion in this case because it's Campbellian.
@kreigguardsman3355
@kreigguardsman3355 4 жыл бұрын
The cycling NinjaElephant maybe if they make a KOTOR movie Revan would do that
@whensomethingcriesagain
@whensomethingcriesagain 4 жыл бұрын
If anything it should be more like what Luke was doing in The Last Jedi. He viewed the dichotomy between the Jedi and Sith as obsolete and worthy of destruction, so Rey should've carried that to its logical conclusion, ended both orders, and founded a new way of looking at the Force
@askarsfan2011
@askarsfan2011 3 жыл бұрын
The problem with Rey's motivations isn't in The Rise of Skywalker. It's throughout the entire trilogy. If she had found out she was a Palpatine at the end of the Force Awakens, struggled with this knowledge in The Last Jedi, and then finally made the choice between embracing or rejecting her identity and its implications in The Rise of Skywalker, she would have had a great heroic character arc. And we would have gotten a much more coherent trilogy rather than this sloppy mess.
@fight_and_die1573
@fight_and_die1573 2 жыл бұрын
All she has in TFA and TLJ are ambitions then they hamfisted a character arc in TROS that lasted less than 2 hours
@Erick-tv8oq
@Erick-tv8oq 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe they could've made her a selfish, full of anger character that has trust issues resulting from being abandoned at an early age and wants to lash out at the world. Then, throughout the movies she matures and starts to see her actions in a new light. The conflict about the lineage could still happen if they made Palpatine take her in as a granddaughter and showed her familial love, an illusion that breaks down and makes her lash out in anger again. At the end, she kills him not with righteousness or rage in her heart, but because she has to. She could even do it mercifully and then lower his body slowly and close his eyes. Though for that to work Palpatine also had to be a better character than Evil Overlord (TM)
@One.Zero.One101
@One.Zero.One101 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is the writers themselves didn't know who Rey's parents are. Palpatine was an ass pull because they had no roadmap.
@RedWinter21
@RedWinter21 3 жыл бұрын
Damm I like how you essentially held up Anakin's character and arc in the PT (wants vs needs) and to show his progression to the dark side to show how bad a character arc Rey had. Like star wars vs star wars. Bravo
@TranscendentLion
@TranscendentLion 3 жыл бұрын
You've achieved the impossible and made me actually care about Rey as a character. This, of course, explains why Luke's and Anakin's journeys are so much more satisfying - because their big final choices actually mean something.
@iancypes5911
@iancypes5911 4 жыл бұрын
Marvel: Our grand finale to our film saga is gonna be a scavenger hunt followed by a climactic battle where all the good guys from the previous films show up just in time for the end. Lucasfilm: Write that down! Write that Down!
@dylanmcdowell3894
@dylanmcdowell3894 4 жыл бұрын
It almost makes me mad how good your alternative plot is. God damn it. That's all we needed. Just some level of character dynamics and good character writing. I'm so mad lol.
@taunokekkonen5733
@taunokekkonen5733 3 жыл бұрын
"The Drinker Fixes" series is quite good atbthat as well, have a look!
@andreabknight
@andreabknight 2 жыл бұрын
Just realised I have the same type of problem in my book- using the advice here means the problem is surprisingly easily solved. Thanks The Closer Look!
@dufter_David
@dufter_David 4 жыл бұрын
d- did he just fix the whole story thats made by so many people by himself?!
@abdulkhafidsulaymaan
@abdulkhafidsulaymaan 4 жыл бұрын
He always does- you ain't hip?
@dufter_David
@dufter_David 4 жыл бұрын
Sulaymaan Kingseed i guess im not dude
@-Zakhiel-
@-Zakhiel- 4 жыл бұрын
No he didn't... Because his "fix" completly ignores the two other failures wich are TFA and TLJ. Rey can't fail because she never really failed before. Rey can't really be tempted by the dark side because she was always all powerfull without any training or even prior knowledge of the force. This movie can't be saved because you would have to rewrite 2 other movies to make it work.
@Dark-cp2fl
@Dark-cp2fl 4 жыл бұрын
It's unfixable!. . .
@Benjamin1986980
@Benjamin1986980 4 жыл бұрын
The thing that gets to me is that both Luke and Anakin had similar plot. Luke wasn't strong enough to save his friends. Anakin wanted forbidden power to save his wife. This was served by his mother's death escalating that fear of losing what little he had left. For both of them, Palpatine's offer of power made sense. For Rey, she was already overpowered and her lack of power was never an issue. Why would they fix what wasn't broken in the prior films? Zakhiel, no, it couldn't be fixed into a masterpiece, but it could be fixed into a decent standalone sequel.
@parkeraldridge5243
@parkeraldridge5243 3 жыл бұрын
I swear the first time you said “blackmail” I thought you said “black male”
@nishanansari3827
@nishanansari3827 3 жыл бұрын
Doesn't help when he was panning to John Boyega at the time
@cosmicpotato3849
@cosmicpotato3849 3 жыл бұрын
@@nishanansari3827 subtitles too
@pumkin610
@pumkin610 3 жыл бұрын
"I have nobody" :( "I'm just a head." Oh!
@natashacutiepie6074
@natashacutiepie6074 3 жыл бұрын
Even when I realized he was saying 'blackmail', I still thought he was saying black male lol Makes no sense I know lolol
@johnappleseed8146
@johnappleseed8146 2 жыл бұрын
im a young black maleeeee
@christophermacqueen2513
@christophermacqueen2513 4 жыл бұрын
They tried to make a character like obi-wan, a good role model who is good at heart. But disney forgot to give her flaws
@Wanabechef
@Wanabechef 3 жыл бұрын
Or any charm, sense, good acting, pretty much anything that made Obi wan good.
@hafsahsaleem7421
@hafsahsaleem7421 3 жыл бұрын
@@Wanabechef Daisy Ridley did all she could stop hating her, hate the character
@janinebelleestrada7096
@janinebelleestrada7096 3 жыл бұрын
@@hafsahsaleem7421 It's Rey Palpatine not Daisy, the actor has nothing to do with it. By any means the actor is a victim of bad writing. They only have little influence over it
@vojtechjancura682
@vojtechjancura682 3 жыл бұрын
Wait what flaws did obiwan have?
@christophermacqueen2513
@christophermacqueen2513 3 жыл бұрын
@@vojtechjancura682 have you watched star wars the clone wars
@AlexanderTheBloodraven
@AlexanderTheBloodraven 2 жыл бұрын
I swear, Rey is literally the same as Kirito from Sword Art Online. No, I’m serious. Let’s list it off. She has multiple love interests lusting after her, despite the romance making absolutely no sense, just like Kirito. She is unbelievably strong and simply unable to be defeated, except for when the enemy has admin privileges/cosmic force power, just like Kirito. Her character development is nonexistent and she is just an absolute Mary Sue, JUST LIKE KIRITO.
@boxtroxrequiem4882
@boxtroxrequiem4882 2 жыл бұрын
There are a lot of Anime mc protagonist like Kirito but Yes Agreed, but there are just so many
@IAMHERE-vy6sx
@IAMHERE-vy6sx 2 жыл бұрын
@@boxtroxrequiem4882 lol no
@IAMHERE-vy6sx
@IAMHERE-vy6sx 2 жыл бұрын
@Diavolo Jaegar maybe
@IAMHERE-vy6sx
@IAMHERE-vy6sx 2 жыл бұрын
Kirito is better and is no
@glauberglousger6643
@glauberglousger6643 Жыл бұрын
@@IAMHERE-vy6sx yes, Kirito is definitely a better Mary Sue, And definitely slightly unique, there are a quite a lot of characters like him, but I feel like he was a major influence on that
@jjeaze
@jjeaze 3 жыл бұрын
Aweful Trilogy. If it was wiped from canon noone would care
@notsosecretsnacker5218
@notsosecretsnacker5218 3 жыл бұрын
Disagree with you there mate. I'd care massively. It would be so good to have these wiped from my mind
@raafeyplayz7015
@raafeyplayz7015 3 жыл бұрын
@@notsosecretsnacker5218 💀
@withmuckguy3362
@withmuckguy3362 3 жыл бұрын
@@notsosecretsnacker5218 you had us in the first half
@mrkei5871
@mrkei5871 3 жыл бұрын
The only thing humanity would miss if this trilogy was entirely wiped imo is BB8
@supremegoesviral9922
@supremegoesviral9922 3 жыл бұрын
It’s not canon. I don’t consider it canon. Star Wars ends after the second Death Star is destroyed and anakin turns into a force ghost
@grubbierspider5271
@grubbierspider5271 4 жыл бұрын
The sequels just prove how good the character development was in the prequels.
@jamesedward3619
@jamesedward3619 3 жыл бұрын
Just because the sequels suck, it doesn't make the prequels good. The prequels don't suck as hard as the sequels, but they definitely suck.
@will8779
@will8779 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesedward3619 that’s so not true
@jamesedward3619
@jamesedward3619 3 жыл бұрын
@@will8779 It's not true that just because the sequels suck, it doesn't make the prequels good?
@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813
@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813 3 жыл бұрын
@@jamesedward3619 It's not true that they suck. They're not as good as the originals, but they're still pretty okay movies. Enjoyable experiences at the very least.
@jamesedward3619
@jamesedward3619 3 жыл бұрын
@@who_the_fuck_is_riley5813 Nah, they suck bro. They're so boring and tedious, the writing is atrocious, the acting is mostly terrible with very few exceptions, the over abundance of CGI and green screen environments render them too artificial and sterile to be engaging or immersive, the fight sequences are overly choreographed, they "tell don't show" more often than "show don't tell" when it comes to character traits and relationships, the romance between Anakin and Padme is awkward, so uncomfortable, and lacking in any chemistry or believability whatsoever, Palpatine's plans (both micro and macro) make no sense, his micro plans routinely contradict his macro goals, and they rely on way too many coincidences; and the plot holes and inconsistencies between details in the prequels compared with the originals (and even compared with each other sometimes) make them of dubious canonicity and betray the laziness and carelessness with which they were written and integrated into the overall narrative and lore of the Star Wars universe. It's possible to enjoy movies that suck. I enjoy "Batman and Robin" and "The Room". It doesn't mean they don't suck though. And from a narrative and film making perspective, the prequels are objectively of poor quality (just like "Batman and Robin", "The Room", and the sequels, though not at all to such a degree).
@HappiEp
@HappiEp 4 жыл бұрын
Rey always had unlimited power, during the films she never needs more power because she does everything perfectly
@jamesedward3619
@jamesedward3619 3 жыл бұрын
Right? Like what could the Emperor ever offer her? Offering Rey more power in exchange for her service is like offering Jeff Bezos $10 to mow your lawn.
@lukeskywalker8223
@lukeskywalker8223 3 жыл бұрын
A true Palpatine if I’ve ever seen one. Glad this didn’t happen.
@bro3santiago686
@bro3santiago686 3 жыл бұрын
66 likes
@lerui2820
@lerui2820 3 жыл бұрын
I guess "unlimited power!!! " runs in the family
@ReySkywalker2
@ReySkywalker2 3 жыл бұрын
Wrong.
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