How to fit Joists dead Flat

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Robin Clevett

Robin Clevett

3 жыл бұрын

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This video is about getting floor joists flat and true, most timber is not dead straight and needs sorting, Use this simple tip to make the best of uneven Joists and timbers
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@caseyc4516
@caseyc4516 3 жыл бұрын
Man I just seen your videos from skill builder and found this..I’m a carpenter in the United States and this dude is the real deal..real craftsman are rare these days,but this guy is one of the few
@liamjohnny335
@liamjohnny335 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't think anybody was still doing these old school simple effective techniques...trades are all head down rushing around..trying to earn and get the job done and on to the next....cheers robin
@philipbennett2183
@philipbennett2183 3 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed Liam,----- Crash /bang /wallop. ----lets get out of here to the next job.
@TheBuilderdad
@TheBuilderdad 3 жыл бұрын
I still do old school, hope my younger apprentice will carry it on
@itaintrocketscience
@itaintrocketscience 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve been a carpenter for 25 years. These days, it’s all speed. Rarely will you find a boss willing to pay the extra $2.00 to gain a higher level of professionalism. Most people are just hacking away at warp speed to make that dollar. It’s refreshing to see a carpenter with pride. Thank you
@-abigail
@-abigail 3 жыл бұрын
This is exactly what I tell my boss when he says I'm slacking ;)
@mikah4051
@mikah4051 3 жыл бұрын
True professionalism has become a rare commodity. Thanks for demonstrating that attention to detail is a skill that matters.
@hbscouse
@hbscouse 3 жыл бұрын
Mrs B “ what you watching” me “ grown men shuffling timbers”..... and loving every minute of it 😀
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Love that!
@andrewwiltshire8796
@andrewwiltshire8796 3 жыл бұрын
Wicked
@benrichards1
@benrichards1 3 жыл бұрын
Its the little bits of advice like this that make a difference. Im doing my own loft conversion, as a sparky im naive when it comes to wood. I've learnt the hard way in regards to regularity of timber. Some of them were over 5mm out!. Looks like il be getting the electric planer out as they're all installed now. Great vid.
@Bacrenfencing
@Bacrenfencing 3 жыл бұрын
Good video Robin, all about the prep work as with most things, great to see you taking the time to do this ! 👍
@mikelane3032
@mikelane3032 3 жыл бұрын
Great - thanks for the lesson. Wish I'd seen this three weeks ago as I was installing joists for the first time. No substitution for experiance!
@ceriwilliams5111
@ceriwilliams5111 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thank you Robin. This stuff is simply invaluable for DIYer's like myself.
@toobad9946
@toobad9946 3 жыл бұрын
While this is obviously a lot of extra effort and very time consuming it is a sound process. It will also help to take this step so that you can completely discard the few pieces that are actually unusable. A few bad boards always manage to sneak into the stack. They can (almost) always be used for blocking. This may seem like it's overkill but if you are building a deck with a large surface area, the finished product will be much more impressive. Thanks to the channel for demonstrating the power of craftsmanship!
@tanja8907
@tanja8907 3 жыл бұрын
There's just something about seeing a man that cares, and is diligent of his craft, you can really see it in your workmanship. You leave a timeless stamp behind for many generations to enjoy. You're inspiring alot of people Robin. Thanks for sharing your knowledge 👍🏻
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate your really kind comment and it encourages to do these videos, thanks again Tanja
@mattcartwright8272
@mattcartwright8272 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip - I would always make sure my joists were crown up but I never thought to check the relative dimension to one another. Mind you, I often had milled my own timber so they were all the real dim e.g. 100x50 (4"x2"). Used to pee me off no end receiving an order that was not even close to the dims I wanted/asked for. Never understood why they just couldn't do it at the 'proper' dimensions.
@tmusik9593
@tmusik9593 3 жыл бұрын
I've been lucky enough to work with some every good carpenters and I have learnt a lot from them. This is new to me, great tip, thanks. :)
@philipjones9297
@philipjones9297 3 жыл бұрын
Your attention to detail I find amazing ❤️
@shaunglendinning
@shaunglendinning 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice! Looking forward to see things develop. Cheers.
@garethd4948
@garethd4948 3 жыл бұрын
Always good to watch your videos. Like so many good ideas, you see it and think, "Oh yeah, that's so obvious..." Perfection is great - the "that'll do" attitude does my head in.
@AntonyGoodall
@AntonyGoodall 3 жыл бұрын
Super video as always Robin. Thanks again for sharing your advice!
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@mathometer
@mathometer 3 жыл бұрын
love all these tips of the trade Robin!
@cglees
@cglees 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin. I recently used this technique to order my studs for a wall also
@brianwood5220
@brianwood5220 3 жыл бұрын
Really great tips Robin and the 6 P's coming into play again.
@incidentshappen
@incidentshappen 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Robin, I'm a US Architect and i have to say ... this is incredible because I'd wager that floor won't creak. Typical construction when they put the sub floor down they would use some liquid nails to adhere along with the physical nails - but those 1/16-1/4 variations between joists would create high and low spots meaning you'd be relying on the adhesive to take that up. Taking those variations out means the subfloor will be resting fully on every joist. Great!!
@AndrewSmith-bb8sh
@AndrewSmith-bb8sh 3 жыл бұрын
God damn it Robin, someone just like me. When I was working in carpentry I always tried to strive for perfection, but others used to think I was being crazy. One of the reasons why I don’t do it anymore. Just wish I could have worked with you. You are the master. Keep up the amazing work!
@richardthomas1566
@richardthomas1566 3 жыл бұрын
Andrew Smith And the fact it’s a shit job with no benefits.
@justbreakingballs
@justbreakingballs 3 жыл бұрын
@@richardthomas1566 how’s it a shit job? Shit jobs what you make it. I don’t want to sit hunched at a computer all day. Some people need to express practically. It depends on the mind. I’m an electrician by trade. But i do everything on my own house. Fuck about with cars, own a decent welder I just have to do something. I literally can’t sit at a computer without feeling dead inside by the end of the day.
@markfernandes2396
@markfernandes2396 3 жыл бұрын
I really learn alot from him. Top notch!!
@step0601
@step0601 3 жыл бұрын
I second a previous comment, it's all about get it done as quick as possible. I at least try to make sure any bowing is facing up but the guy I do most of my work for would be doing his nut if he caught me doing this. I had to stay away from a job during lock down and when I returned the governor had fitted the joists in a loft conversion, they were so bad you could feel the up and down as you walked across the floor. I swear I could write a book on having to deal with bodged work while I'm not there to oversee it. And you have to try to make it good without upsetting whoever cocked it up! A great method though, I'll try it out when no one's around!
@albertbatfinder5240
@albertbatfinder5240 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant tip. Any time you lose in shuffling the joists can be made up by fast-forwarding the rest of the job!
@SandBoxJohn
@SandBoxJohn 3 жыл бұрын
Across the pond common practice with dimensional lumber is put in all of the joists crown edge up. If one or more joists are standing proud of the others use a power plane to bring them down to the others.
@ThePhil543
@ThePhil543 3 жыл бұрын
Same here, The problem as always is money, unless you have high end clients you wont get paid for this, In fact it will cost you money
@SandBoxJohn
@SandBoxJohn 3 жыл бұрын
@@ThePhil543 If your clients are high end you will likely be using engineered lumber (I-joist, LVL) in place of dimensional lumber eliminating the need to make use of a power plane.
@ThePhil543
@ThePhil543 3 жыл бұрын
@@SandBoxJohn Not quite the same here in UK , All timber comes Reguarlised for size, The only difference is structural grading for strength. also timber merchants store it outside so your at the mercy of the weather. When you order they will deliver it as is , You can accept it or send it back, it all costs time and money
@fishandgameman
@fishandgameman 3 жыл бұрын
It won’t matter inside of 15 years anyway. Untreated lumber over the crawl space, sans a vapor/moisture barrier, won’t be much left if any heat is ever added to the building. I would suspect wood eating insects might have field day also being so close to grade. Maybe they still use Chlordane over there.
@makena70danielmascas
@makena70danielmascas 3 жыл бұрын
Robin, excelent video! Direct like 👍 from România 😉 🍷
@AndrewFroude
@AndrewFroude 3 жыл бұрын
Great job Robin. Thank you.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@seanlevison6361
@seanlevison6361 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin - presently working under my house here in Oz - worked in the UK for years and except every country has it's own ways due to environmental and exsisting building constraints. On a personal preference I enjoy being able to have enough room under the house to inspect / run new services / make repairs and keep out pests, we also don't have snow here so air flowing under the house keeps homes cooler. Enjoy your show and picking up new tips - cheers Sean.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
HI Sean, we have rules that limit the height of a building that is built under permitted development and this only lets us build to 4m high from ground, so for this we have to keep our margins tight!!! I like your suggestion and the practicality of that, do you get snakes!!!!!
@TheDarrenJones
@TheDarrenJones 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin - definitely one of those things you wouldn't think of until it's too late or someone who knows loads tells you about it! Then it's "obvious" that you need to spend the short time doing it to do a proper job.
@chriscim2462
@chriscim2462 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously robin doesn’t buy his joists at travis Perkins like my boss does
@tonyalways7174
@tonyalways7174 3 жыл бұрын
Travis Perkins: top supplier if you ever want to build a round house 😂
@mikejames4271
@mikejames4271 3 жыл бұрын
@@tonyalways7174 don't agree! I got 2 straight 4x2's out of a full pack last week!
@tonyalways7174
@tonyalways7174 3 жыл бұрын
@@mikejames4271 I’d keep them and frame them because straight timber from TP is a collector’s item 🤣
@BuildWithAE
@BuildWithAE 3 жыл бұрын
Cracking job Robin lots of great advice great video 👍 all the best Tony 👍
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Tony, have a good week mate
@BuildWithAE
@BuildWithAE 3 жыл бұрын
Robin Clevett you to bud 👍
@barringtonsmythe3464
@barringtonsmythe3464 3 жыл бұрын
You just know it's going to be quality RC 👍👍👍👍
@TYLERCONSTRUCTION
@TYLERCONSTRUCTION 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video mate 👍
@georgerothwell
@georgerothwell 3 жыл бұрын
Great video Robin
@saukitchenuk7809
@saukitchenuk7809 3 жыл бұрын
Ver useful video thanks for sharing.
@silva-anderida7695
@silva-anderida7695 2 жыл бұрын
Nice work,my friends.Cheers!
@ljones396
@ljones396 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robin! 👍🏻
@Undividedwedding
@Undividedwedding 3 жыл бұрын
Lol... Glad I stumbled across this. Brilliant top man...👍🏻👌🏻
@stevensrspcplusmc
@stevensrspcplusmc 3 жыл бұрын
That’s a pretty good idea robin.. 😊👍🇺🇸 love the channel 👍
@iangough7659
@iangough7659 3 жыл бұрын
Another excellent carpentry tuition lesson once again. Very much appreciated as usual.
@RI-uv3lm
@RI-uv3lm 3 жыл бұрын
👌👍👏👏👏 superb as usual. Thank you
@brucehillracing
@brucehillracing 2 жыл бұрын
Love your channel mate, I'm a PT at West Suffolk College and regularly point my apprentices in your direction, great videos.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 2 жыл бұрын
Nice one Bruce!!
@rickmcroberts9101
@rickmcroberts9101 Ай бұрын
Quality control standards related to lumber size specifications has fallen to the wayside nowadays. Go to Home Depot & try finding 20- 16 ft 2"× 10"'s that all measure the same width. Fact of the matter is that from one end to another & between those boards widths variances can range from 9 11/32" to 9 21/32"! In todays world you must adjust the elevation of each & every joist hanger accordingly relative to the variances that do exist among those boards allegedly "standardized" size range. Unfortunately assuring the joists are crowned similarly let alone sorting them accordingly is a lost cause if you place them in prehung joist hangers which have all been set in a standardized position. This video demonstrates a level of craftsmanship I admire & practice. It's a shame that a respect for such quality is being lost in so many areas of life today. You'd think those who sell lumber would assure it was milled with even half as much care as the craftsmen put into the quality of what is being built with that wood in this video.
@chrisford8403
@chrisford8403 3 жыл бұрын
Just throwing this out there. SOMETIMES, why you don't see large crews doing this stuff is because the B team comes in afterwards and does it for the framers before drywallers get there. Mind you, I'm speaking of walls and ceilings. Depending on the type of subfloor, the B team or flooring installers MAY sand down SOME bumps. B team is only a name and not indicative of skill or training. In the N.E. U.S. flooring joists are usually slammed in crown up and then planed on the high spots. Last few floors I built were with "enginerded" I joists and 3/4" OSB subflooring and they came out straight and true with minimal effort. Well worth the cost of the products.
@lawrencerogers576
@lawrencerogers576 3 жыл бұрын
I always feel better from having watched your videos, Robin. Therapy.
@T.E.P.
@T.E.P. 3 жыл бұрын
gotta comment again how great you are making this channel
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that!
@highgatehandyman6479
@highgatehandyman6479 3 жыл бұрын
Great tip
@EngineerMikeF
@EngineerMikeF 3 жыл бұрын
In 40 years of engineering wood framed buildings I've never seen sorting by "crown", great idea for quality
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Mike
@MrTrda
@MrTrda 3 жыл бұрын
Really??? I was taught to crown my studs first day on the job. It’s a very common practice. Like brushing your teeth in the morning common.
@EngineerMikeF
@EngineerMikeF 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrTrda I've seen two practices. First, roll what you have how it comes off the lumber unit and reject anything that's giving you grief. Second, check & lay all joists crown up, as they come off the unit, reject the ridiculous stuff, which is a considerably better practice. In my experience (California) its about 50-50 as a lot of guys don't have a clue and a bunch more don't care. Robin's method is superior, tho more time consuming. Two things I'd do if I was framing- construction adhesive on all joists/trusses & use screws for floor & roof decks w/a screw shank design to suck plywood tight to joists; that gives a lot more force on the joists as they dry to keep them from going wild. I met one contractor years ago that ordered kiln dried (S4S) studs for a really tall wall on a commercial bldg; he said one call back on that type of wall would pay for 10 projects differential in material cost, and I believe that. Personally I'm a fan of I-joists for superiority in deflection over solid sawn, and utter uniformity in all dimensions (also easier for wiring & plumbing fwiw)
@MrTrda
@MrTrda 3 жыл бұрын
EngineerMike F - agreed with the adhesive - I’m even putting adhesive on my studs/rafters before I drywall - big difference
@EngineerMikeF
@EngineerMikeF 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrTrda I've seen the best quality builders putting a dab of adhesive in the joist hanger saddle; it may not adhere (oil & dirt on JH metal surface) but it will make a good contact patch & likely obviate squeaks
@jimyeats
@jimyeats 3 жыл бұрын
Love the Schmedium clothes!
@EverythingHasAStory
@EverythingHasAStory 11 ай бұрын
nice tip.
@gravey07
@gravey07 3 жыл бұрын
Nice channel. Subscribed. 👍🏻
@amarjitbhogal4250
@amarjitbhogal4250 3 жыл бұрын
What grade of wood is used for the joist and side's.
@TurinTuramber
@TurinTuramber 3 жыл бұрын
Another method is ideally have extra joists so you can avoid the rough joists. Just cut them up and use for noggins or blocking.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Great point!, always order a few more this is a really good suggestion nice one mate
@chrisford8403
@chrisford8403 3 жыл бұрын
Check with you supplier first! We usually order extra lumber and several of the yards we work with pick up the left overs; they factor this in and expect it, especially when dealing with lumber over 16 feet. Only once did I have a lumber yard want to charge me for picking up the extras. Also, treat the yard guys well and they will take care of you. The yard guys are the people that set the lumber yards over and above the big box stores, in my opinion.
@firsteerr
@firsteerr 3 жыл бұрын
this is very old school the sort of thing a real craftsman does or did back int he day and thank fully robin is not only carrying it on and forward but teaching others these days (as i have seen ) too many new builds involve poorly trained or uninterested "carpenters" who just throw the joists in as they come the simple act of checking the crown can make one heel of a difference , sadly not even that most of the time and new builds are plagued by squeaky uneven floors
@douglasyoung9320
@douglasyoung9320 3 жыл бұрын
I’m not certain if the chippies on a site would be allowed the luxury of time to check wood like this. Get the impression everyone on site is under time pressure. Get it done git it sold get the money in. I could be wrong.
@rockandmeatroll
@rockandmeatroll 3 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU
@davetaylor4741
@davetaylor4741 3 жыл бұрын
Looks good is good but where I work my prices are slashed to the bone to even get the job. Robin has his reputation and his high end clients. Mine are all tight wads that wouldn't pay me for this unfortunately.
@shaungaraghty2571
@shaungaraghty2571 3 жыл бұрын
That is a shame Dave.
@mopedmarathon
@mopedmarathon 3 жыл бұрын
Put your prices up. If you want flush clients then charge flush prices. It won’t happen instantly but do it over time.
@mopedmarathon
@mopedmarathon 3 жыл бұрын
doc hall good luck to you brother. Ever thought about employing the Mexicans on the grounds they work to your standards for a bit more than they would otherwise earn? If you had enough guys on the right jobs you can really take your time with your work and make things as good as you dream.
@oreallyoreilly6576
@oreallyoreilly6576 3 жыл бұрын
100% as always, the tips and tricks are priceless keep it up
@jmccracken491
@jmccracken491 3 жыл бұрын
Robin, I never realized the difference in the height of lumber. Thanks for the information.😊👀
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Happy to help
@johnhowerton8241
@johnhowerton8241 Жыл бұрын
You guys are working that dude that is packing those joist to death.
@paultaylor6053
@paultaylor6053 Жыл бұрын
In some circumstances when a floor is "loaded" with furniture etc those imperfections can often disappear ,so an up bowed joist can be put second or third in from the wall depending where heavy furniture may land , this can have the effect of "leveling" the joists and floor , of course this will work if you know what furniture etc is gong where , I for example have heavy oak french furniture and when I replaced all the joists in my house I put the joist that were bowed up in position under the large buffets etc this levelled the floor perfectly ,on another occasion in another property for a client I laid the joists "dead" level ,only for them to come back to me to say "hey our floor sags " of course I went to inspect and found they had loaded the floor with furniture in such a way that the weight placed on a particular joist did indeed cause it to deform ,that same furniture had been loaded with easily half a ton of paper items and other belongings , so I pointed out that flooring has deflex and inflex etc and the load ratings , of course this did not wash and even though I showed them a better solution to their interior design choice , no they wanted what they wanted ,a level floor , and so I made one final attempt to help them understand the limitations of floor joists and floor covering by repositioning the furniture on the opposite wall ,and of course the same effect ,then I showed them that choosing the other walls which meant he load was spread across all the joists thus no "sagging" but again "no" that idea conflicted with their "feng shui feelings" and finally to accommodate as we Carpenters will often do I opened up the floor and place a trimmer joist to "up lift " the furniture , of course as you might imagine financial negotiations sagged as much as the joists ,and so I charged for the additional materials and labour but charged nothing for the afternoon and back breaking labour moving their furniture around etc etc , had I know what they had intended to place on the floor structure before hand I would have found that " joist with the hump and installed it or used a trimmer or maybe even a steel , the lifestyle of the couple in question really warranted a concrete floor but they lived on the second floor , thereafter the neighbours below contacted me to come and see what could be done for them as their ceiling covering was forever cracking , I installed a dropped ceiling with 300mm ecoustic insulation ,funny ,how level joists and poor interior design choices can be the cause for so much fun ! , bloody french !
@T.E.P.
@T.E.P. 2 жыл бұрын
When ya going to a pub and answering questions ..... like you and Roger used to .... anyways watching this again over lunch
@marklilley9079
@marklilley9079 3 жыл бұрын
What size are those timbers around the perimeter ??
@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555
@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 3 жыл бұрын
LOL ... I saw that attention to detail ... When the guy picked up 2 joists at once. First thing through my head was ... He's gonna botch it. Then Robin saw it and corrected it. Good to see OCD is much more common than I thought.
@seans678
@seans678 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin, your videos are excellent. I am wondering where you get your timber from. TP have just hiked their timber up by over 25% so I really need a good supplier I can rely on being fair with good quality. I would greatly appreciate some help from a true expert.
@matthewkita8894
@matthewkita8894 3 жыл бұрын
Hi robin are we going to see more detail on how you ventilated these joists?
@roophayre3995
@roophayre3995 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Robin. I have a question. I have to fit a flitch beam. Will a normal hanger like what your using ok . Just concerned on weight
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
I would use a heavy duty hanger be sure it is suitable for the job, check with the engineer who specified the flitch beam!!
@paulradwell9719
@paulradwell9719 3 жыл бұрын
In theory great idea, but come back the following day if its a hot day following a wet one, and they will all be different again....oh the beauty of living products 😁
@chrisford8403
@chrisford8403 3 жыл бұрын
@@safcforme3475 Doesn't have to be heat. We cover our lumber to protect it from the sun, not so much rain or snow; it will cause uneven drying and warping. Also, keep in mind that it can take a month or more of framing before a roof or wall sheathing goes on. In that time, rain and sunshine can cause some serious warping. I've seen several decks were 4x6 PT posts are warping; we switched from 4x4 for this reason and it seems like we'll need to go to a 6x6 to prevent it.
@richardthomas1566
@richardthomas1566 3 жыл бұрын
Paul Radwell Exactly right the location of knots in board is the #1 cause of crowns , the wood shrinks and expands at a different rate than knot.
@jeremyparks9648
@jeremyparks9648 3 жыл бұрын
@@chrisford8403 I build luxury decks we use 6x6 posts and they will still twist and warp just not nearly as bad
@chrisford8403
@chrisford8403 3 жыл бұрын
@@jeremyparks9648 I guess it's CMU's next! LOL!
@chardonian1
@chardonian1 3 жыл бұрын
hello Robin, another great video as always.Ive had a look through all of your videos and can't find any info on the floor construction.Would you be so kind and confirm if you've made the garden room as a suspended wood floor over a concrete perimeter?Im just about to start building a garden workshop and have poor access and quite like the idea of a suspended floor.If so, are they treated perimeter beams? how are they suspended?Look forward to any reply
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
I used Ground screws as my foundation, there is a video here on my channel of this job, let me know if you cannot find it!! all the best Robin
@chardonian1
@chardonian1 3 жыл бұрын
@@ukconstruction Cheers Robin. For some reason I thought that was for the main house only. My mistake. Thanks once again
@TheBuilderdad
@TheBuilderdad 3 жыл бұрын
Robin, is engineered lumber promently used in England? I use it here after fighting it for years. Love some TJIs
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Chris, we do use various types of engineered lumber, from joists, beams and materials for joinery, I was like you initially but now I dont think twice about using this material now, thanks for the comment
@ryanwright2981
@ryanwright2981 3 жыл бұрын
What hangars are you using Robin? It looked like you block planed a face on one of the joists to get it to fit. The finish dimension of the regularised timber usually leaves the joist fitting sloppily in a 50mm hangar. I've resorted to adding plywood packers before to take up the slack. Would be great to find a hangar that doesn't need any more faff, over what already needs dealing with like mismatched "regularised" dimensions. Great vid. Love watching your work 👍
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Ryan Go for 47mm Hangers for single joists 94mm for doubles and they do a 140 for triples this applies to timber to timber (jiffy) and timber to masonry hangers, Simpson Strongtie do a great range and most good timber merchants carry these sizes
@markmarlow
@markmarlow 3 жыл бұрын
Would the joints be better if they were treated ? Or is there some sort of membrane going in ?
@coops6621
@coops6621 3 жыл бұрын
joists look treated to me, compare them with the main beams, they look untreated
@markmarlow
@markmarlow 3 жыл бұрын
coops66 treated timbers are green or brown that’s if there done from the stockist
@coops6621
@coops6621 3 жыл бұрын
mark marlow most carcassing is treated now as building control insists on it so not worth skimping. The colour varies a lot from stockists, we get treated that looks almost clear. Can’t imagine this fella would save a couple of quid and have untreated for an outside floor
@Guide504
@Guide504 3 жыл бұрын
Why don't you loose a short in the middle of the triples 47mm bridge is fine ?
@hugavet3049
@hugavet3049 3 жыл бұрын
I use a hand planer level the rack. I think it's faster and more accurate
@chrisbabbitt4202
@chrisbabbitt4202 3 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry if this is a silly question, but why not just run them all through a planer or something to get them perfectly flat?
@Davey768
@Davey768 3 жыл бұрын
That would take hours, this took minutes.
@niallwildwoode7373
@niallwildwoode7373 3 жыл бұрын
That's why we use engineered Steico reclaimed timber beams. Totally reliable dimensions and lines, made from timber waste yet stronger, lighter and more stable than sawn joists.
@waynemongo
@waynemongo 3 жыл бұрын
Is this US or Uk??
@Kosmonooit
@Kosmonooit 3 жыл бұрын
What do you do with the odd ones that bow? plane flat?
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
If they are too bad we send them back!!!! generally my suppliers know what I want and they select my orders so they have no returns!!!
@Kosmonooit
@Kosmonooit 3 жыл бұрын
@@ukconstruction Aah the joys of living in the 1st world :) ps did you buy a vernier caliper yet?
@T.E.P.
@T.E.P. 3 жыл бұрын
more videos like this .... rewatching again . "As a perfectionist" - Robin Clevett
@191685
@191685 3 жыл бұрын
Bet the guy in the light blue top was the 1st through the pub door 😆
@richardthomas1566
@richardthomas1566 3 жыл бұрын
Redicoulis those joist might be that way today but not tomorrow bridging and 1-1/4 Decking will straighten all that up . If you really want them even you put a strong back running down the middle under the joist and shim any low ones if the board with varies .
@AB-nu5we
@AB-nu5we 3 жыл бұрын
Did you introduce yourself as 'Robin Clever' at that start of the video? If you didn't, you should. Great technique, the sorting.
@caz6152
@caz6152 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this tip! I have never built on those giant ground screws before so is it just a case of adding that thick timber base plate around the perimeter? Also noticed you have spread out type one around the area.. did you put a weed membrane underneath? Thanks for taking the time to make the videos as well as work on the tools!
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
The base is 200mm of road planings (similar to type 1) this is on a membrane also, we use a large engineered timber ring beam, and fit a recycled plastic plywood with a vent from the Beam to the ground to stop rodents etc, hope that helps mate
@charlierodgers2776
@charlierodgers2776 3 жыл бұрын
Robin could you please make a video on how to balance quality/quantity of work, I feel that aiming for perfection can take too long and consequently lose money whilst on price work etc. How do you develop speed without sacrificing quality ?.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Charlie, I will look at doing something on this as it is a really good topic mate, all the best Robin
@charlierodgers2776
@charlierodgers2776 3 жыл бұрын
Robin Clevett cheers mate really admire your work!
@jeremylunning654
@jeremylunning654 3 жыл бұрын
That's pretty tedious, but I bet it makes a big difference. I'm sure your tile guy loves you!
@christophercrowle9753
@christophercrowle9753 3 жыл бұрын
Robin, being a lover of quality tools such as mafell and festool that you are. Pop over the tf tools and order yourself a diamondback tool belt and enjoy.
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
I do fancy a new tool belt, and I am often asked about the best type etc, maybe I will go and take a look at some, thanks for the comment
@maclagor
@maclagor 3 жыл бұрын
Out of interest, when you say 'dead flat' Robin, what do you mean? What sort of tolerance is that for you? 0.5mm? 1mm? I ask as it seems to be quite relative - certainly in 1st / 2nd fix carpentry 'flat' and 'square' seem to have wild variations...
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
well we like to minimise the tolerance so we shuffle to get the pack of joists smooth but we also use a dry graded treated timber so all the movement has happened before we fit, we would look for a tolerance of about plus or minus 3mm over a floor like this
@ixurlife8062
@ixurlife8062 3 жыл бұрын
And that's how to do it properly for all the cowboys out there 😎😁
@matthewcalder4351
@matthewcalder4351 3 жыл бұрын
Is this what they refer to as "cups and crowns?" I could watch your videos all day Robin! Absolutely love it. 👍
@UberAlphaSirus
@UberAlphaSirus 3 жыл бұрын
Cups and crowns are more a joinery thing. But using the bow up (crown) will flatten out more once a load is on it. where as bow down (Cup) will just get worse with load on it (cup and crown isn't the correct term for londitudinal bends mind). But in joinery, I am presuming your from over the pond. In the UK it would be smiles and frowns (bark side and wood side) alternating, when you make, say, a solid tabletop out of individual boards, So humidity changes even out the expansion, so it doesn't go wildly cupped or crowned, it makes it wiggle, so overal remains flat.
@thetessellater9163
@thetessellater9163 3 жыл бұрын
Cupping and crowning refers to the shape when laid flat across its width rather than vertical as here. Inevitable really, given flat sawn timber comes from round trees!
@tomsmith9048
@tomsmith9048 3 жыл бұрын
It depends what part of the world your from in the UK and Ireland its commonly known as checking the camber hope this helps 🔨
@francisling3196
@francisling3196 3 жыл бұрын
How's the best way to ventilate that floor?
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Francis, I use a plastic plywood fascia that is spaced off the ring beam by 10mm this has a ventstrip on the top that also provides a kicker for the cladding and allows air behind the cladding and under the joists, we run this allround the full perimeter, the plastic plywood is taken beneath the ground and a concrete fillet is laid to prevent rodents and other wildlife from getting under the floor
@basshead8914
@basshead8914 3 жыл бұрын
The time taken to do that compared to cutting blocks and having them installed at the plywood joint would be so much more efficient let alone stronger to boot....
@user-xv5iw5zh4m
@user-xv5iw5zh4m 3 жыл бұрын
If the soil freezes and expands (especially clay soils) it will lift the building - that's why you leave a gap beneath the building when you build on piles/piers
@andybarlow7481
@andybarlow7481 3 жыл бұрын
Anyone know the song at the end ?
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
I have link to the source of the music in my video description
@tentonhammer5469
@tentonhammer5469 3 жыл бұрын
According to the youtube subtitles youre Robin Clever. 🤣🤣 I'd say that suits you better.
@thetessellater9163
@thetessellater9163 3 жыл бұрын
With such workmanship he's no Robin Bastard either
@WSMITHify
@WSMITHify Жыл бұрын
Wow I wonder how many new builds shuffle the joists
@garvielloken3929
@garvielloken3929 24 күн бұрын
Nooice!
@phazelvosfreqdetector7580
@phazelvosfreqdetector7580 7 ай бұрын
So, the guy in the light blue needs to walk up doing everything super slow, so when you speed it up, he looks like he's moving normally while the other two are zipping. Then switch it off in the middle (take turns moving slow). I'm going to subscribe now just hoping to see it happen.
@JACKATTACKED
@JACKATTACKED 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@mrmackey1119
@mrmackey1119 3 жыл бұрын
did I miss a video, where was part two of the decking vid.... or at least the finished vid??
@ukconstruction
@ukconstruction 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, there is a part 2, part 3 coming soon, check in my list of videos
@mrmackey1119
@mrmackey1119 3 жыл бұрын
@@ukconstruction thanks Robin
@remyche8768
@remyche8768 3 жыл бұрын
I'm literally the guy in the Gray shirt that gets paid the least and does the most physical work.
@Pete.Ty1
@Pete.Ty1 3 жыл бұрын
😊👍
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