How to fix a Rearing Horse

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Emma Zitzer

Emma Zitzer

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@linsioux217
@linsioux217 8 жыл бұрын
Good going on your part. You are an Equestrian, most are riders. They never seem to truly understand how a horse perceives things and that each horse is different. The horse must trust you, you achieve that by trusting in yourself as a Horseman. Somebody's got to be in charge. And force isn't necessary, they will do anything you ask if they understand what you are asking, and you should never ask them to do anything that would hurt them. Carrots, patience and love go a long way in making a special relationship with a wonderful friend. You can't truly stop a horse from rearing if he's got it in him to do so. No matter how much you train them, they may resort back to rearing with another rider or in stress. I've had horses over 50 years and have known many rearers, they never really stopped rearing. One big guy reared while tied up, broke the rope and flipped over, that was scary. I got in a fight with the owner as he was going to put a kid on that horse, he had reared over backward with a rider the week before. I've seen way too many 'cured' horses flip over. It's scary to watch. Good luck keeping one moving forward, most rearers are balky and that's why they are rearing. Of course they can't rear while in a canter! They can't buck as high while moving forward either. Keep 'em moving and keep 'em busy. I do Endurance, so that's easy. My husband was a Dressage coach and taught Jumping. He bought horses off the track, trained them and sold them One paralyzed the 2nd owner he was sold to. He never reared with my husband, but he knew what he was doing. I never rode any of his horses; athletic and powerful as well as hot. I love my Arabs, they LIKE to go!
@hippophile
@hippophile 8 жыл бұрын
+lin sioux Thanks for sharing those comments. A pleasure to read. I had a friend who trained her bucky reary XC horse to go nicely and for years that horse did not rear or buck. Then when the horse was 30 she put on a young girl (decent rider, instructor) and the horse reared big then bucked her off. Who can tell what goes on in a horse's head? Well lots of people think they can of course :-) I also like arabs, and they make you think!
@christinebarsotti8239
@christinebarsotti8239 8 жыл бұрын
This was the most informative and clear training video I have ever seen. Great job. I knew she was a saddlebred the second I saw her. My breed
@unravellingone
@unravellingone 7 жыл бұрын
I had a mare who reared to evade riding out, I learned ' nose to knee riding her in a tight circle each time she went to rear. eventually she realised riding out was awesome, she had a very sensitive mouth, was so supple, we developed a wonderful relationship, which ended when she was fatally attacked in the field by a dominant mare who never went out, her rider was scared of her, she ' wasnt bad! ' but I am glad I learned to trust my mare & direct her.
@darcylewis3232
@darcylewis3232 4 жыл бұрын
I’m trying to get my gelding out of the same situation of evading riding out
@busby777
@busby777 3 жыл бұрын
years ago, I had a horse that reared. I was clueless, but I decided to do some groundwork, and it really helped.
@dinks20001
@dinks20001 9 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tip, re: getting the feet moving. It is often cited advice, but so hard to do sometimes, because the rider can panic. I know, I've been there! In a situation where my horse suddenly goes right brained and starts to spin and leap around, I am usually focused on stopping him long enough to jump off. Imagine if he didn't give me that chance, but instead reared and flipped over backward? This is why I work at fixing things before the horse learns such behaviour. Kudos to anyone willing to work with dangerous horses to rehabilitate them.
@seaconesicecreamboat608
@seaconesicecreamboat608 8 жыл бұрын
Lots of Clinton Anderson quotes being used in the video. Good for you, he`s one of the best "People Trainers" out there.
@elizabethsproule5227
@elizabethsproule5227 9 жыл бұрын
I'm not competent to judge the comments below but there are useful pieces of information here. First, if it is true that a horse can't rear in canter and second that going forward will help, these are valuable bits of information.
@pierregagnon7191
@pierregagnon7191 9 жыл бұрын
Elizabeth Sproule Hi Elisabeth, it's true the horse can't rear at a canter, he'll usually start to bronc instead. Going forward will also help since to rear the horse needs to bring his posteriors under himself. But two things to remember, the horse use rearing as a defense against something he does want to do or if he's being abused like when a rider pulls too much on the horses mouth while kicking him to move forward. Putting the horse on a tight circle would be the safest thing to do in my opinion. While his head is turned almost 90 degrees, it's much harder for the horse to buck, bronc or rear. But this is a temporary solution only. You'll need to find out what causes your horse to do this and fix the problem. 99.9% of the time it's the riders fault.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Pierre Gagnon horses can indeed rear in a canter, have seen this, but they have to slow down some to do it.
@pierregagnon7191
@pierregagnon7191 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, to be able to do it, the horse you've seen must have gone very slow indeed! It has to bring his posteriors forward (under the saddle) and lower its backside before rearing. If you've seen Haute-Ecole figures, most of them require the horse to do that.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 8 жыл бұрын
+Pierre Gagnon No, not really, a horse does not have to go that slow to rear, though going more forward than the speed the horse can rear at could prevent rearing. I have seen 'Haute-Ecole figures'(think you mean movements or exercises, such as levade, not figures, which are geometric shapes like circles, squares, half circles, etc) and not one of them involves rearing. Rearing is done with the hind legs rather straight and not with the 'posteriors forward' and a lowered backside, rather, the horse is 'standing up'. In advanced dressage exercises like levade these are not in any way like rearing. In levade the angles of all joints are very acute, with rearing all angle are rather straight.
@pierregagnon7191
@pierregagnon7191 8 жыл бұрын
Thomas F Thanks for clarifying Thomas, I'm a french Canadian, "figures" is the french word for "movements" sorry for my English. Have you seen the "courbette" ? It looked like hopping while rearing to me. www.google.ca/search?q=courbette+cheval&biw=2133&bih=1038&tbm=isch&imgil=aE8AZFwoNzMCMM%253A%253BR0-V_2flHzCrZM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.le-site-cheval.com%25252Ffigures%25252Fcourbette.php&source=iu&pf=m&fir=aE8AZFwoNzMCMM%253A%252CR0-V_2flHzCrZM%252C_&dpr=0.9&usg=__3sdI1_brWQhatTS3x8YlC91_OcM%3D&ved=0ahUKEwi82IKqi-vJAhUBRj4KHVyBAc8QyjcIKA&ei=I_Z2Vvy6BIGM-QHcgob4DA#imgrc=aE8AZFwoNzMCMM%3A&usg=__3sdI1_brWQhatTS3x8YlC91_OcM%3D
@leslied125
@leslied125 8 жыл бұрын
The rider of the rearing horse is jean luc cornille...a rider of the french classical variety...Maitre (Master)from the Cadre Noir de Saumur
@sunlei5
@sunlei5 9 жыл бұрын
the man with the flack jacket, blue shirt on the flipping horse is named Paul. His video is called, Dismounting from the point of no return. Paul has several training videos here on youtube under the account name endospink. He has trained and started thousands of horses and is still one of the best living horse trainers I have ever seen. He never uses spurs or heavy hands on the bit. I recommend watching all his videos, you'll learn a lot.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+sunlei5 you'll learn what not to do. 99% of people watching his videos are not going to be able to do what paul does, no matter if they watch the video 1000 times and take written notes or what. those methods are just not appropriate for most people. they just cannot safely do those things. what they need is an appropriate horse for the stage of riding they REALLY are at, STAY OFF the horses with problems like rearing and spinning and dumping riders, lots of riding lessons with a decent instructor, and lots and lots of time.
@easystephorsemanship
@easystephorsemanship 8 жыл бұрын
+sunlei5 What he does do is force the horse to submit by way of a "choke hold" basically he puts a snaffle bit in the horse's mouth and pulls hard on the opposite rein to force the horse to crank its head around (away from him) and he waits.... until the horse slowly loses enough wind so that it starts to go down...and he makes it lay down. thus he has forced the horse to submit to him and then he rides the horse supposedly without issue. I forgot what he calls his "magical method" but I bought his video just out of curiosity
@Seleuce
@Seleuce 7 жыл бұрын
+Official Google Member Rubbish. There hardly is a natural head position in which a horse would get raspiratory problems. Horses can and do sleep sitting down with the neck bend over sideways and the mouth resting next to the shoulder. I've seen one of our horses who while sleeping was tucking his nose in his knee with a neck so crooked you'd think it was broken. He was perfectly fine. If they had breathing problems bending their head all the way to the side horses wouldn't sleep in such positions. What you said here is assumptions because you don't agree with Paul Williamsons training methods. Well, at least his methods have saved hundreds of horses that, from wrong handling and human error had become too dangerous/troublesome to handle savely. I agree with Thomas, the average person should not and probably could not do what Willamson does. But I give him lots of credit for trying to stop mass slaughter of ill treated and therefore unruly racehorses in Japan by turning them around again.
@grandequine1
@grandequine1 9 жыл бұрын
Good video, im a professional trainer and I look for in videos key notes for issues that are harder to explain. This video explains in crucial detail how horses can rear dangerously and valuable points to encourage a quick posituve responce. This is not the only method. This trainer is taking a shortcut meathod to fix a rearing issue. Rearing can take years to fix. Please keep this in mind. Thus, example of a most likely situation to occur, enables a green rider to achieve evading a rear.
@MaritsView
@MaritsView 9 жыл бұрын
l've been a horse rider for a long time, when my horse spooked she started rearing and bucking. just be careful and never pull the reins she's gonna be even more hurt Mostly when a horse rear it's by cause of the rider, by pulling to hard in the horses mouth, be careful with that, but horses can rear from fear aswell and that's a different story. l've been riding for 16 years now, so l know what to do but l see many people make a huge mistake when they ride, everyone makes mistakes but people dont realize how bad pulling in the mouth hurts a horse Horses mostly rear out of fear, or buck out of fear, but if they suddenly start rearing, you wanna calm the horse down and step off to make sure they're not suffering from pain. What you wanna do when a horse is rearing: Lean forwards stand up in the stirrups What you wanna do when a horse bucks: Lean back.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Marit after 16 years you don't know it all. in fact while some rear because the rider pulls on the reins(and that was very funny when he was commenting on jean-luc riding the grey because jl was bopping that horse in the mouth over and over before he went up and the original poster somehow couldn't see that - if he can't, he shouldn't be a professional trainer or take money from people for lessons....old jl has his own strange way of looking at the world and he can talk the birds out of the trees with his explanations for everything, lol, as well as his claims of having won the 1975 or 76 world eventing championships too - I was there - he wasn't). Suffice to say many who are 'pulling on the reins' are doing so in a way most people (even the poster of the video evidently!) can't seem to pick up on. And many aren't PULLING so obviously, so much as just not coordinating their aids. They don't really pull, but they don't get the horse forward either. We had one little teenage girl at our barn who could get any horse rearing within 2 weeks yet almost no one seemed to be able to see what she was doing to cause horse after horse to do it. 99% of it was she just didn't get the horse in the bridle, her outside rein was flopping loose and every time the horse slowed down a little more at the gate, and she was just too inexperienced to feel it or notice it(and wouldn't listen when the trainer told her what she was doing). It can be that simple, just a bunch of little errors piled ontop of each other, over and over, eventually the horse is going to figure out where the holes in the person's riding are and go through those holes. In that respect the horse is just being totally, completely logical. The person is basically 'training' him to do what he does...if you ride that way that's what happens. So many are going up because the rider does not get the horse into the bridle properly on both reins and keeps shutting the horse down every single time they try to go forward, they may be turning and stopping all the time, or they may simply be 'cruising' along without being focused on the horse and getting it to work and go forward. The horse goes forward when it feels like it and when the horse feels like going back to the barn he stops and stands up which means, hey i wanna go over there. Others are going up due to a weak back that is soring their back and making them mad, they get sick of soldiering around and hurting, eventually they're gonna say I've had it with this deal. I've seen horses go up because their teeth were a mess and they got sick of being expected to go out there and work while their mouth hurt. Finally there is the youngster who stands up because he's a youngster and wants to follow the horses going away from him or he doesn't want to leave the barn, and he just has no idea there is anything wrong with rearing. He's just being a horse, and they do that. So there are a million reasons why it starts. Not just one. The cure however is always the same, and the old masters of classical riding said it best, 'Get the Hell Out of There' - in other words GO FORWARD. WAY more forward than this!!!
@MaritsView
@MaritsView 9 жыл бұрын
+Thomas F You don't know me personally about how much l know about horses but l can tell when rearing happens because of the rider doing it or because of spooking or hurt, horses can rear in any moment whether it's the humans fault or not. That's basically what l said. Any animal has his/her own character Just like us They can get scared and have fears just like we do And they can be hurt just like us Thats what my point was.
@MaritsView
@MaritsView 9 жыл бұрын
+Thomas F You're right about the other things too in your comment, are you a horse owner?
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Marit It's obvious what you know and don't know by what you wrote. You gave yourself away.
@MaritsView
@MaritsView 9 жыл бұрын
Thomas F Well its a fact, a horse has a character like any other animal just like us too. They can spook in any moment, so can we, we get scared, so can they She was pulling the reins hard. l saw that too just like you said if a horse is rearing, make sure to check the horses back later... to make sure... nothing wrong with that But 99% it's the riders fault, sometimes a horse spooks out of his/her own. From flying birds coming out bush, or little kids yelling... you know what l mean? l've been riding long enough, grew up with horses. l know how to ride and how to treat an animal, l'm also not a big fan of spurs especially, with people who are very spoiled.. l see them riding with spurs, and hurt the animal and l say something about it and l get yelled at. and l'm like, you should stop hurting your horse or you will get thrown off, and the moment l said that, the horse bucked and reared her off, she was yanking on the reins which hurts a horses mouth REALLY bad. And he was bucking because she literally kicked him hard with the spurs if you do it to hard you can make a horse bleed... l hate those kind of people... But are you a professional? or what? are you a horse owner?
@sarahscheepers5100
@sarahscheepers5100 10 жыл бұрын
"How to 'fix' a rearing horse" This title gives me the creeps! There are no "two minute solutions" for these problems. Straightening a horse takes months, if not years of professional horsemanship.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+sarah scheepers no, rearing can usually be fixed in a couple minutes with this sort of horse. it happens due to rider error and bad training, not lack of straightness. straightness is very important, of course, but crookedness does not bring about rearing. 99% of horses are very very crooked and they still don't rear. this horse is just messed up training wise - any decent rider could get up and get it to quit rearing. stay out of the mouth, seriously go forward(much more than this), it's very simple but it's got to be done quickly and the rider has to respond instantly. this rider is too much up in the mouth - the whole curb bit thing and training fork is not going to do anything other than throttle the horse down and restrain him from rearing, with a harder horse that isn't the solution. he's trying to turn and bend to get the horse out of the rearing, he's not going forward sufficiently to fix rearing. this horse isn't so bad, so he might fix it this way. but I don't like the whole thing. the horse's training is so messed up (probably due to someone trying to do dressage that don't know how to, taking away the horse's forward urge) that it's just about not doing what others have done. I would not be surprised if the horse had some sort of medical issues given how the back looks(both conformation issues and weakness/no muscle). mares get a lot of medical issues that are ignored and they don't take kindly to being treated like that. as the saying goes, 'a mare never forgets being hurt'. you better not mess up any horse or you will be riding what mistakes you made, but again, the saying is, a mare never forgets.
@SubAbbiee
@SubAbbiee 10 жыл бұрын
Just thought I'de let you know, the grey horse that rears from a trot is called Chazzot and he does it because he used to race and have sores on his feet. The sores are now gone but he has developed that habit in fear of pain, the rider in the clip is training him, that horse no longer rears at all.
@juliehunter8621
@juliehunter8621 6 жыл бұрын
the 'woman' on the rearing horse is Jean Luc Cornille world leader in horse bio-mechanics and classical riding. Admittedly his hair makes him mistakable for a woman rearing never looks good lol. Cornille is very worth reading and watching, though his analysis goes so deep and english is his second language so he can be a bit hard to follow. The horse is "Chazot " From Science Of Motion (Cornille's site name) 7 years ago "The rearing was due to a situation known as RER, (calcium regulation tie up), which create sharp pain in the back. The rearing issue is now resolved under the saddle. The solution was to properly develop the back muscles. Through your question [regarding original video], I guess that you are under the belief that the horse's back can be flexed between the engagement of the hind legs at one hand and the flexion of the neck and therefore contact of the bit at the other end" Cornille gives a lot more information on this situation in the comment section of the clip kzbin.info/www/bejne/anXKoWCnmJWDa9U
@carmenslee6234
@carmenslee6234 4 жыл бұрын
I would take this horse right back to groundwork basics and chuck away a bridle for quite some time! This mare is soooo jammed up by the bit and strong contact.
@yvonneost12
@yvonneost12 8 жыл бұрын
Good video I am well past my riding days and although I used to ride western I could'nt wear spurs as I would sometimes hook my heels up when I lost my balance ( I was never great in the saddle LOL ) but my ground training and patience in that dept : was if I do say so myself very good , had to give up showing in the end as nerves got to me and I found it was'nt worth it to me . I then just enjoyed trail riding my own train horse with no hassles at all ( and no stress ) guess stress just stuffed me up , big time. Oh well that was a life time ago , now just getting over a hip replacement so I cant see me ever on a horse again , but the memories are nice...
@bambilegacy1221
@bambilegacy1221 7 жыл бұрын
From what I've learned by being a horse rider/trainer, forward is the best way to get control of a horse, if you ain't got forward, your ass is getting piled
@aspentheaqh5434
@aspentheaqh5434 5 жыл бұрын
I was told if a horse is going backwards without being told. Go forward
@KristaChristian
@KristaChristian 4 жыл бұрын
I have a Arab Saddlebred cross with similar conformation as this horse. I also had the same problem with him rearing when I first got him. I ride him forward and down and try to get him round through the back. Regarding devices, I used to be generally opposed to devices, like a training fork, until I got this horse. I actually prefer using a German Martingale to a training fork or running Martingale because I can still use and lead with an open rein whereas you are a bit restricted with doing that with a running Martingale depending on the length of the fork. With the German Martingale I can pretty much ride the horse like I would if he were in a normal bridle with the same level of freedom to stretch his head and neck forward and down, but if he gets his head above a normal level of control, I can then rely on the draw-rein or leverage effect of the German Martingale to get his head back to a controllable level.
@ebonypegasus9864
@ebonypegasus9864 Жыл бұрын
wow that guy who just got off the horse mid rear! I want to learn that technique!
@terrybreen7804
@terrybreen7804 Жыл бұрын
I had a TB that would flip over backwards. I put a second set of reins on the bit and ran them to the girth so he couldn't throw his head very high. He'd still try to flip over, but he couldn't throw his head too high which he had to do to do a quick flip. Instead, after tossing his head as far as he could he'd sit down on his rump and rather slowly roll over on his back. This this gave me time to jump off of him. He was too scary to ride without something keeping his head from getting too high. My father had an MOS in horse cavalry and he said in the cavalry if a horse reared like that he was put down.
@katr8756
@katr8756 6 жыл бұрын
It never fails ... After watching hundreds of horse training videos, there's always a few that post who know more, have done more, and are better at everything that has to do with horses than anyone else ... and thrive on giving their unsolicited advice, or criticism on the training, rider or what tools are used in the training. I've found there is more than one training method for equines. Watching the Mongolians, age old way of catching, and training their horses, works just as well as other, modern methods. The point being, No ONE training method has all the answers to every problem horse. I've taken away something from all the horse training videos I've seen on KZbin. I just get tried of the inevitable criticism directed at people training horses in the different youtube videos. Know it alls turn me off!
@sarahanne2
@sarahanne2 9 жыл бұрын
When a horse rears, NEVER pull on the reins, if you do that you'll make the horse fall backwards. Grab the neck or mane to hold on too. My horse reared up yesterday when I was riding her and let go of the reins, I fell off but my horse didn't fall backwards. I was walking and then I'm in the air landing on the ground.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Sarah Mckendry fine for during the actual rear, but you have to catch it before they get up there, turn and go forward. you can't just sit there when they start to go up and do nothing like that, telling people to do that is very, very bad advice.
@laurabell09
@laurabell09 9 жыл бұрын
What I'd like to see first with a horse like this is for the horse to "follow the bit" long and low (and yes, I know she's a Saddlebred, however, she can still go long, low, and round from tail to head, and from having trained and re-started many Saddlebreds, National Showhorses, Arabians, and TB's with necks that come out of their shoulders higher, all of them learned to "follow the bit" without the use of any devices and with just a French link snaffle bit), and release the tension the horse is obviously feeling. I'm not saying there is anything abusively wrong with the approach seen here, just that I would seek tension release and relief for this horse first, and also trust with a connection to the rider through light rein contact like a "soft hand-shake feel", by encouragement of going long and low "following the bit" {wherever it goes}, and then with a looser more relaxed jaw and poll, and the horse trusting the light rein contact with the riders hands, the lateral flexion, combined with forward, will come a lot easier, and with balance and symmetry.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Laura Bell You better ride some saddlebreds, lol. I have yet to see anyone that could fight nature successfully, when they have claimed to what I find is they have tied that neck down and are hurting that horse for their own ego. the neck is set on high, the horse is never going to go around like one of your quarter horses, lol, and trying to do so is not any good, the horse isn't made to go like that. they CAN get looser and more supple in the neck and go much better of course (much better than the above video), and the neck SOMEWHAT lower, but where that head and neck goes when the horse is correct, is determined by how that horse is built.
@laurabell09
@laurabell09 9 жыл бұрын
+Thomas F , that is an uneducated thing to say that gadjets and other bullshit gear would be needed to teach a horse to "follow the bit", so you appear to have no idea of what I'm talking about. If you were anywhere close, I'd be happy to show you how its done with a frenchlink snaffle and that's it. I've not only ridden many Saddlebreds, National Showhorses, saddleseat Morgans and Arabians, Tennessee Walking Horses, and every single one has them have learned to round their poll, neck, back, and hindquarters in a relaxed and harmonic way, although at first of course, it is baby steps until they are conditioned for it otherwise they could become sore. Trust, relation, good, uneducated hands and other aids and skills go a long way, and to be honest, in over 45 years of riding and training all different types of horses, I've never felt the need to use a bunch of BS gimmicks to get a horse to do what I ask, even though lesson durations can and do greatly. Classical dressage training applied to any discipline in riding can do that for a horse and rider.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Laura Bell then if you're so experienced why would you say what you said? Fact is it is just as wrong to get any of the gaited and/or saddle seat horses low in the poll and curled up as it is any other horse, and that's the only way you're getting their head down too low for their build, is to artificially drag it down there with appliances. You know nothing of what it really means to be on the bit. Follow the bit is a euphemism that's meaningless and has nothing to do with getting a horse properly on the aids. All it really means is get that head low, whether by yanking or by putting myriad appliances on and over-bitting.
@laurabell09
@laurabell09 9 жыл бұрын
There's really no talking to someone like you Thomas that doesn't even know the fundamentals of classical dressage that never involves "yanking" on a horse, using martingales, draw reins, your silly crutch of a "training fork", etc. Its easy to see you think you know what you're talking about, but the fact is that anyone with an experienced eye and an educated ear can watch you ride and listen to you speak and tell your education is falling far short of any meaningful classical training that works in partnership with any and all breeds of horses, in any and all disciplines of ground training, riding, or driving. I dare say I knew a lot more about what "on the bit" is when I first was learning it back in 1974/'75.
@laurabell09
@laurabell09 9 жыл бұрын
Have fun, but if you could get that nice mare you're riding in the video to trust your hands and seat enough to round her frame without force, yanking, curling her up, she'd never prop on anyone ever again.
@ericbrandenburg8583
@ericbrandenburg8583 8 жыл бұрын
Good video.. You 'learnt' me something in regards to the training fork. Might add that to my arsenal
@nitefox1343
@nitefox1343 9 жыл бұрын
Good job. No horse is worth being a quadraplegic. Forward, onward, move ahead, don't care where you go as long as you aren't lining up to go up. Just one more video to save a life if heeded. Of course people will say "Yes, but you were on the wrong lead." Really? Who cares if it is YOU up on the back of a flipper/crusher. Let them get up there and stay alive while also ensuring the correct lead. Priorities people. Stay safe first.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Nite Fox never saw this guy go forward once, not even for a second.
@easystephorsemanship
@easystephorsemanship 8 жыл бұрын
+Nite Fox really? so you believe this fire breathing horse wants to rear up? the rider keeps the horse in a tight hold, the horse is uptight and he's got his head stuck in a stupid "training fork" what's the horse supposed to do? feel relaxed? rearing is caused by bad riding and misuse of crap that's not needed. if this poor horse was ridden on a LOOSE rein and taught to soften his body, to relax his muscles and to feel like being ridden is not torture, the horse would not rear up. also, how do you know that this horse doesn't have a pain issue that's causing him to lock up? take care of the pain and the rearing may go away completely. treating horses like they're stupid beasts out to get us is preposterous.
@LisadeKramer
@LisadeKramer 8 жыл бұрын
I just picked up a 3 yr old that has not been taught anything. Of course he had to be trailered to my property. I was out of town and hired a trainer to load and bring him home. This guy reared and reared. I truly believe that this horse has never had any ground work he has no clue how to go forward. I was told to let him rear, pull him over and kick him in the head a couple of times. OMG I am running from this trainer. Now I question how did he really get this horse loaded.. I will take the time it takes which will be less time.
@DoubleDogDare54
@DoubleDogDare54 3 жыл бұрын
I absolutely will not tolerate a horse that rears. The beasts can kill you when they do that. And I won't pass them along to someone else who might get killed. Once they start, you can't trust them not to. And my response to it is something I read decades ago when I read "My Friend Flicka" as a kid - "A horse without common sense is a horse without the right to existence".
@MR707videos
@MR707videos 6 жыл бұрын
That guy that grabbed the neck was a pro
@Tiffany14011
@Tiffany14011 9 жыл бұрын
This is all unbelievably incompetent. The rider sits like a sack of potatoes on the poor horse and is totally out of Balance in his seat (too far back). Must be very uncomfortable for Peanuts. The combination of a torturous looking bit (was IS this bit - it Looks like it has horrible leverage) with a far too short running Martingale is simply dangerous, in fact it is going to provoke the horse into rearing, as the rider is Holding Peanuts tight on the rein all the time. A bitless bridle would be the answer here - the horse Needs to relax its neck. This man is riding Rollkur and the horse is pushing its back away. What we are witnessing here is a fairly cooperative horse that worsens throughout the Video. The rider even says "I've been over backwards plenty of times...." Does he think that's normal?
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Purdy Fame that's not rollkur. it's not right, but it's not rollkur.
@tokyoblu79
@tokyoblu79 4 жыл бұрын
Totally agree that this is not good training at all but it’s not Rollkur (thank goodness!).
@rebeccacavanaugh1994
@rebeccacavanaugh1994 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Excellent information.
@margonielsen2315
@margonielsen2315 8 жыл бұрын
Me too! It just happened with my new horse!
@DS-ky9dl
@DS-ky9dl 2 жыл бұрын
The only person to go near a rearing horse is a professional, in my opinion. Just the fact that they have used this tactic in the past makes them very dangerous...a ticking time bomb. This ins not something the average rider should tackle. One bad fall can cause serious injuries.
@hippophile
@hippophile 8 жыл бұрын
Well, I was not surprised to see the horse spinning, but it is better than going vertical!
@emileenicholson3484
@emileenicholson3484 7 жыл бұрын
you are helping me so much thank you
@pierregagnon7191
@pierregagnon7191 9 жыл бұрын
The white horse at 0:54, look at the reins, the rider's hair and the horse's tail. The reins goes slack then very tense again and again and the rider is out of balance all the time in a saddle that looks too small. The lady's hair goes up and down at a walk, how worst can your seat be???? And the speaker says that the rider is not in the way of the horse??? For the little girl, look at the horse's mouth before he rears, he's in so much pain that all he can do is rear. Once up he turns his head left and right to try to remove some of the pain because she's hanging on the reins. At 2:42, the lady is hitting lightly Peanut with a whip to get Peanut to go forward but all that time she's keeping tension on the bit never giving any release to the horse. If it's any indication on how she rides, hell I'm confused, does she wants the horse to go forward has she asked with the whip or to stop has she ask by pulling on the bit. And you're saying that Peanut does not want to go forward??? Next you get on the horse and you give so many cues to the horse at all time in all directions and then your surprised that Peanut decides "enough is enough". Look at your own video man. There's absolutely nothing wrong with Peanut except that he got you as a trainer and that lady as a rider. Go take basic riding lessons, please and don't ruin other horses. And Peanut, you're so patient, you're incredible boy, good luck to you, maybe if you're lucky they'll sell you to someone who knows horses, and can see the difference between a horse's tail and head. For other horse people viewing this video, this video should be called "How to make a horse rear", this is bad horsemanship. If the horse doesn't respond to your cue the way you expect him to, either you didn't ask him properly or he never learned what you're asking him. Don't be mad at your horse, look at what you're doing wrong.
@krissaayyXx
@krissaayyXx 9 жыл бұрын
Pierre Gagnon They grey horse was in trot before it reared.... I would be amazed to find any riders hair not move whilst in trot.....
@pierregagnon7191
@pierregagnon7191 9 жыл бұрын
Kristine Freed Hi Kristine, you're right she was at a trot. But please look at the reins going going slack to tense again and again.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Pierre Gagnon Everybody replying here except you missed that on the guy riding the white horse, LOL.
@pierregagnon7191
@pierregagnon7191 9 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, true and sad. Maybe because I believe that having a good seat and light steady hands are the most important traits to have for a rider. Too many riders use the horse mouth to stay straight in the saddle.
@robbyn_louise5538
@robbyn_louise5538 10 жыл бұрын
When a horse is spinning if you hold both reins out to the side and make your arms straight the horse will stop.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+o iRobbyn v Nope.
@JosiasRivera
@JosiasRivera 9 жыл бұрын
Yes by all means keep your horse going forward to prevent the rear, however right now I am dealing with a horse that wants to go forward in the wrong direction. Towards home.So we end up fighting each other.
@Dexyu
@Dexyu 9 жыл бұрын
+Josias Rivera kid you kick its ass and curse his mom?
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Dexyu Yeah, and you can bet that gal will never send another horse to him (if he was in fact riding the same horse....). You don't talk about people like that in public - that was just really sh*tty and 100% unprofessional of this guy. If she's doing so bad talk to her privately and teach her to do better - don't ridicule her publicly like that. that really stank like last week's fish.
@Dexyu
@Dexyu 9 жыл бұрын
Thomas F You are so ignorant! That's what the do to everyone who catches a publick eye. There is nothing wrong in him doing this video and you are a freaking silly if you think there is..And good that she wont be getting any more horses...would you say the same if it was a babysitter that abused a kid and you told her you caught her on camera? Fuck no i would not let such a woman near my kids... don't have double standards dude. That woman deserves every ridicule she gets.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Dexyu Too bad you are too inexperienced to see all that he is doing wrong. He's doing plenty wrong. You can't see it? That's no crime, but what is sad is you're too egotistical to think you have anything left to learn. That's just a pitiful thing. Doesn't matter how bad someone is you don't rip them in public, you give them a chance to learn and improve - if they refuse to learn more - like you - then sure, go for it. Your way of doing things I don't like, it's petty and egotistical and is everything that is wrong in the horse world. Further you did not even read carefully what I wrote. Said nothing about her getting horses. I said he would not get any more of her horses to train because he took the cheap shot and the cheap route and used her to make himself look good.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+Dexyu that is, you give people a chance to improve...UNTIL they take the cheap shot and show us everything that is wrong with the horse world, like the OP, then it's open huntin' season.
@kathygardner2635
@kathygardner2635 7 жыл бұрын
BTW it's not a training fork it called a Martingale
@natliekla
@natliekla 10 жыл бұрын
You should ask yourself WHY your horse rears. take care of the problem and not the sympthom.
@AngelBitch51
@AngelBitch51 4 жыл бұрын
The "problem" is that the horse rears ... the "symptom" is why.
@batoolkhizr786
@batoolkhizr786 7 жыл бұрын
though baby ya should learn the trick to get out of it but still I love the way ya hugged the creature❤
@paardentango
@paardentango 10 жыл бұрын
Very interesting video, there are many good points there. You know what you are talking about. Its like you say, many times people have an opinion but are not really aware of the biomechanics but to me even more important, the mental state of the Horses who have learned wrong behavior. Whatever caused it is many times not so important, what matters is that somebody knows how to undo the habit and let the Horse think forward again. Nobody can have a good chat with a Horse, but some people can achieve that in an way that is understood by a Horse. Like you video and the way you explain it and show what you do and why. Think you did a great job here.
@profe3330
@profe3330 Жыл бұрын
Everything you SAY makes sense, but really - what do you think is going to happen to very high strung, insecure horse, suddenly trussed up in a "training fork" (basically draw reins) and saddled with with this big, pushy, tactless rider in huge spurs? The horse starts out surprisingly cooperative - good girl! - but the guy continues to crank on her without a break or a reward, and then, "for some reason - I don't know why!!!" the horse spins and rears. OF COURSE the horse spins and rears! Good gravy. I'd spin and rear too.
@trolloftheyear7963
@trolloftheyear7963 7 жыл бұрын
Great dismount at 30 second mark. Just realized how lucky I've been to have never rode a horse that rears.
@myleekapsner563
@myleekapsner563 4 жыл бұрын
Troll of the Year Well put a rose on your nose! 😂
@myleekapsner563
@myleekapsner563 4 жыл бұрын
My horse just a about reared over on my cousin!
@anam.2347
@anam.2347 9 жыл бұрын
That may work for this horse, but every horse is different. People need to find out what is wrong with the horse. I, personally would NEVER use this method. I find that most horses I train rear because 1. I haven't found the right bit for then, 2. The girth is too tight, 3. They are afraid of something, 4. They are really excited, 5. It was my fault, I could've accidentally touched them with a spur ( usually, they just buck, but I have had one rearup). I am a professional trainer but I haven't ever had to use this method. You can tell that this horse does have a behavioral problem. Again, it may work for some horses, while it may not for others.
@ida2300
@ida2300 9 жыл бұрын
If the horse rears and falls ontop of you/Fall backwards 99% of the time Its the riders fault...
@Psychology_Exposed
@Psychology_Exposed Жыл бұрын
I feel like if i tried this with horses Ive had in the past, I would avoid the read but then the horse will go beserk and spin really faster or try buck? I seem to really wind them up, most likely I tense up and start yanking too hard? How do you keep relaxed in these situations? Seems impossible to stay relaxed. I mean if you, the expert have had then go over on you what hope is there for me to stay relaxed?
@sarahscheepers5100
@sarahscheepers5100 10 жыл бұрын
"she's trained to hold a high head position". so the trapezius muscle must be blocked. the back pushed away. her weight is on her front legs. this is why she rears. No training fork wil ever stop her from rearing.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+sarah scheepers If it's used with enough muscle(specially with that big old curb bit) and yanking the head around and going sideways it will. But when you stop all that jazz (or if the owner gets back on), it's up in the air again.
@jodynit90
@jodynit90 9 жыл бұрын
I school horses and I just give them a few cracks of the whip on the poll. And spin them around then suddenly kick them forward if they try to spin. Works for me.
@easystephorsemanship
@easystephorsemanship 8 жыл бұрын
because force and intimidation is a great way to get along.
@AeronRiding
@AeronRiding 10 жыл бұрын
It's a shame we didn't get to see the horse "soft" and going forward at the end as described by the trainer.... how hard would it have been to add that footage at the end to show us his methods were successful? Also, considering the horse was known for rearing over backwards, and that the trainer had been reared-over-with many times, I'm amazed his vanity STILL won out, and therefore no helmet. I wonder what it would take for this trainer to learn his noggin is more important than any horse, or his vanity?
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+AeronRiding I really doubt that footage exists. If it did he'd have it up here and be bragging about it til the cows come home. As PT Barnum said there's a sucker born every minute. As for helmet - NO ONE with any sense rides horses, especially rough horses, especially bad horses in for retraining that you KNOW have a serious problem, without it. I've seen too many "trainers" living out their days on Oxycontin or having seizures and having to quit riding after a big, stupid avoidable accident or living with a traumatic brain injury (famous dressage rider who left her brain bucket off for one ride for example) to think otherwise - or they're just plain old dead. That said, this horse is in absolutely no way a tough case or doing what this guy is trying to do would turn him into a sand pizza.
@profe3330
@profe3330 Жыл бұрын
@@thomasfaltejsek Basically, yes. This is just depressing.
@sarahscheepers5100
@sarahscheepers5100 10 жыл бұрын
A horse cannot bend its ribcage. she's crooked as hell. it's not about the mouth or "softening" it. Its about transferring the horse's weight from the front legs, to the hind quarters
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 8 жыл бұрын
+sarah scheepers Horses can indeed bend through the body. The spine (part of it) is flexible, some of the bend comes from that, the rest comes from flexibility in hips and shoulders. There is in fact flexibility of the spine in the area of the ribs, each vertebrae provides a very small amount of motion, which adds up over the length of the spine. It is not much and must be developed - this is why one starts with 20 m circles and ends with 6 m circles. Research has established this already. Look at the overhead photos in Harry Boldt's 'The Dressage Horse' book. Horses can and do bend in the area of the spine of rhe ribs. Again, established already by research. Read research, don't just repeat things you are told by people who are trying desperately to market themselves as trainers by having a 'special method'. There is no 'special method', there never will be.
@niconiconiikillmeplease2286
@niconiconiikillmeplease2286 10 жыл бұрын
I have taught my horse Eddie to rear & he goes back down after 5 secs or if I grab the saddle tightly about 2 fall off
@mustangrebel8051
@mustangrebel8051 9 жыл бұрын
I agree with you on most of it but I am not a fan of whips, bits or spurs etc.
@adarawhittemore9532
@adarawhittemore9532 4 жыл бұрын
By for the best video I see so far good job
@dvsmum3832
@dvsmum3832 7 жыл бұрын
Love your style!!!
@abiwinters779
@abiwinters779 Жыл бұрын
What if you dont have time to get the horse to go forward like they just pop up and rear then what do you do? My horse pops up and rears and I dont know he going to do it and I dont know what to di
@screwyouitslove
@screwyouitslove 10 жыл бұрын
My horse fractured her pelvis rearing, luckily i wasnt on her when it happened, she still rears all the time though! I use a running martigale and she still rears, tried a standard, still rears..
@mbarker1958
@mbarker1958 7 жыл бұрын
If your horse is doing this, then you are doing something wrong...
@CH68301
@CH68301 7 жыл бұрын
The lady is not to heavy for that horse..... OM Gosh....
@robyngerell6941
@robyngerell6941 9 жыл бұрын
H Randy, a lot of people think the equipment is to harsh. Do you ever start over with a horse's basic training for moving foward instead of using more equipment? I think that is the general concenses here. I concure, natural horsemanship might help and be less painful?!
@hannahlanai
@hannahlanai 8 жыл бұрын
I'm not familiar with Western Dressage- can anyone tell me why he's holding his hands so high, especially when he's asking her to flex to the inside?
@lillanatorris9570
@lillanatorris9570 9 жыл бұрын
i have been on a horse that went to bucking to rearing its because you have a wild horse ( witch is my case ) or a hurt horse by there reins or briddle and they do it to stop the problem with a wild horse you just need to break them
@ryliemorton7834
@ryliemorton7834 5 жыл бұрын
How much will you charge for a week of training for my horse I need help
@carmenslee6234
@carmenslee6234 4 жыл бұрын
The rider on the third grey horse is a ‘he’!
@DoubleDogDare54
@DoubleDogDare54 3 жыл бұрын
Yep. I remember seeing that video years ago. I was surprised then the horse didn't flip. And the incident was treated in a very cavalier manner, no big thing. I was astounded. You know the term "dumb blond"? Well, that dude epitomizes "dumb blond".
@Jerry_the_cat
@Jerry_the_cat 2 жыл бұрын
when i add leg to my mare she rears up. even if i have 0 contact on the reins. i cant get her going forwarw with my leg cause then she rears
@strandgirl1000
@strandgirl1000 8 жыл бұрын
der Reiter (2:04) macht das ganz phantastisch!
@terryb9777
@terryb9777 8 жыл бұрын
Very good information on this video
@NasserArifCAPE
@NasserArifCAPE 8 жыл бұрын
I seriously use these concepts @Training my autistic kids when i need them to or when i see a tantrum arising ! or an anxiety issue that would surface with out them able to perform!
@suzykidd6398
@suzykidd6398 8 жыл бұрын
I like that video maybe you could do one on bucking
@hannahsilverhaven5612
@hannahsilverhaven5612 8 жыл бұрын
What I usually do when a horse bucks I spin them in a tight circle like he was doing. It's impossible for a horse to buck
@sugarcookie572
@sugarcookie572 7 жыл бұрын
Um, the problem with spinning a bucking horse -- that YOU ARE SITTING ON -- is that now you, with maybe a slightly dislodged seat, are on a spinning horse. If you can ride out the bucks, don't add to it with spins. Maybe get his head up if you can and move him forward.
@ludwigbeilschmidt3657
@ludwigbeilschmidt3657 10 жыл бұрын
My horse can rear and canter..she does it all the time :/
@LiMaBohne
@LiMaBohne 10 жыл бұрын
mine too
@aluis1810
@aluis1810 10 жыл бұрын
Well I don't know your situation, but I would also assume your horse loses forward motion for a split second and rears. I think the concept is mostly to get them forward, but of course there are ways a horse can learn to get away with that as well.
@andrewpaliga725
@andrewpaliga725 8 жыл бұрын
is there a video like this with the complete session recorded. problem to resolution
@gabegriffin20
@gabegriffin20 10 жыл бұрын
Spot on.
@jessiespiers6335
@jessiespiers6335 10 жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh.... So many flaws with this guys logic... whoever the heck he is.... It looks to me like the gray is trained to rear. Hence the calm, cool behavior prior to and after rearing. We couldnt clearly see it but he has a dressage whip in his off hand which he likely used to cue the horse (Remember you never see a grand prix dressage rider cue his horse either). If this horse was rearing from misbehavior it would not come out of the rear into a nice calm relaxed posture.... especially with the rider laying on his neck, he would either continue rearing or run off scared that there is now something sleeping on his neck. They look like quite the team, and very comfortable with the exercise. ALSO, I make my living off of people who royally **** up horses using heavy hands and training aids. THE BEST method for a rearer is a jumping saddle, two point, and a nice gallop when you start feeling the rear come on. Then the horse will learn that you will not yank on his mouth. In reality, the thoroughbreds I have worked with, bolters, rearers, buckers, all together nervous horses, the problems they have are with a heavy hand and a heavier seat. they are so used to someone yanking on their face and then slamming down on their back that they create this as a reaction. Its not even a defense mechanism, its a 'get me the heck out of here no matter what' mechanism... Same situation for all you games riders out there. Ropers, barrel racers, gymakhana riders.... If you ride with a tie down AND a curb bit or leverage bit (anything with a shank and curb strab, elevator, sweet six, etc) you are taking away the horses ability to tell you that they are uncomfortable and therefore they rear because it is the only option they have. They are nervous, they WANT to go out there and RUN, but you have their nose tied down and a bit in their mouth that gives them NO options except for up.... It is rare to see a runner flip over if their head is not tied down, reason? They usually give the rider a bloody nose first. Basically, if the horse is rearing you need to get it into a gallop ASAP, let them know that they are not trapped. And spinning around in a circle is still trapped. You barrel racers out there, train your horse at home, take the big bit out of his mouth, put him in a halter, I bet he wont rear, but you can bet he will run off with you, which means the flaw isnt in the horse, it is in your training. You need to teach him to be calm. Teach him the difference between show time and chill time. If your just standing in the shoot, teach him a cue (you could use the cutting horse cue of the hand on the neck), anytime you are resting, at home, in his pasture bareback, at the rodeo in the warmup, EVERY opportunity that you get, leave your hand on his neck when you want him stopped and when you are relaxing he will assoiciate the cue with when he is relaxed and will learn what it means, then teach him that ONLY when you release the cue that he gets to go!! Horses are reactive. Try to help him with the right reaction. It will take A LOT of time, but it will make him so much happier
@sarahscheepers5100
@sarahscheepers5100 10 жыл бұрын
Rearing is a flight reaction. So is "going forward". She's being led from one flight reaction, into the other. It stops a symptom. Not the cause. The real cause is the crookedness of the horse.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+sarah scheepers Nope. Going forward is what horses want to do and try to do, until they get that urge destroyed by bad training and riding. Going forward is NOT a 'flight reaction', it's natural and healthy to a horse to want to move and the horse is happiest when he is doing so, that is the basis of all forms of riding. You will never get a horse completely straight without forward urge well preserved, anyway. The classic statement - forward and straighten, straighten and forward. One does not come before the other, they are both intertwined.
@sweeneytoddjoanna
@sweeneytoddjoanna 8 жыл бұрын
White horse had an abcess... FYI
@cornishrob123
@cornishrob123 4 жыл бұрын
Forward forward forward the way out of every thing is forward.
@elizabethfitzgibbon6804
@elizabethfitzgibbon6804 4 жыл бұрын
Why in the heck would you not wear a helmet when you know you’re getting onto a horse who notoriously rears and falls on its rider?
@AngelBitch51
@AngelBitch51 4 жыл бұрын
Because the horse is going to land on you, not your head! What use is a helmet when you're lying under a horse with a broken pelvis?
@elizabethfitzgibbon6804
@elizabethfitzgibbon6804 4 жыл бұрын
AngelBitch51 that has to be the most absurd response someone could conjure up. What an idiot.
@betsyszarko6135
@betsyszarko6135 5 жыл бұрын
I came on the video to get some tips for my horse but instead it showed me a tone of clips of horses tearing backwards ☹️
@mikebyrne9739
@mikebyrne9739 3 жыл бұрын
Nope, get rid of that horse! It's simply not worth it .
@pennies4pawsrescue654
@pennies4pawsrescue654 8 жыл бұрын
The horse looks so disconnected with the unnatural headset. Nothing about this is dressage. Please look up Art2Ride to understand the biomechanics of a horse and how to PROPERLY develop flexion, bend, topline and so on. The proof is in the pudding AKA the lovely build of the A2R horses, their floaty gaits, lifted backs, swinging strides, impulsion, softness and suppleness.
@adrienmetz4870
@adrienmetz4870 6 жыл бұрын
My horse has done that before the frist time I rode her and I'm kinda scared bc she went on top of me I'm doing ground working getting her ues to the bit and saddle agien bc I had to get surgery idk if she gonna do it again what do I do
@vamudboys8393
@vamudboys8393 5 жыл бұрын
Do you not see him yanking on the horses mouth every step
@mckenzieking506
@mckenzieking506 9 жыл бұрын
Are those draw reins? thats supposed to be a western dressage horse and its in draw reins 😑 dressage people these days
@karenleask771
@karenleask771 8 жыл бұрын
I was told to pull their heads to the side (to my knee) to prevent the rear...
@kylecraig1409
@kylecraig1409 8 жыл бұрын
Careful as to not let their head down so they can buck! I am not sure if a horse can or can not rear with head to knee but I am sure they will try and lose balance. If by chance horse goes up lose tension on reins instead of pulling them back
@MyBaronMyMacho
@MyBaronMyMacho 9 жыл бұрын
Why not show the end result?...That makes no sense...smh
@mikeutube123
@mikeutube123 4 жыл бұрын
how come we didn't see the end?
@jessicaspano5428
@jessicaspano5428 10 жыл бұрын
EVERYONE SHE DOESNT OWN THIS VIDEO OK!!!!
@martysmosaic
@martysmosaic 8 жыл бұрын
horse looks like its dragging back hoof(hooves). im very suspicious of this now as mine does n has sacroilliac damage.
@blondemare1
@blondemare1 10 жыл бұрын
If you want a horse to go forward, lose the fork and hard contact and let the horse go long and low until it has the confidence to not be afraid of the bridle and rider You sit too heavy on your pockets and never let freaking GO of the reins. One step at a time. Long and low forward - when that is 100% then add bend, then on and off contact. You build in steps not in 2 minutes. I completely disagree with this method of jamming leg, rein, bend and forward in one ride. Shame on you.
@tokyoblu79
@tokyoblu79 4 жыл бұрын
Agreed, rearing isn’t a ‘bio mechanical problem’; it’s a psychological one. This method does nothing to address why the horse is rearing. He only tries to use force to make the horse go forward. The proof is absolutely clear, this poor horse gets worse throughout the session; not better. Starting off with a supple balanced happy horse then antagonising it with overly aggressive aids til it gets anxious, is not training. This guy is an idiot & yet even more idiots are commenting on how great this is. 🙄🤷🏽‍♀️
@alexandrasullivan2888
@alexandrasullivan2888 2 жыл бұрын
Not all horses rear out of fear. My young horse started rearing and I made a point of doing exactly as you say. Used basically no rein contact and didn’t focus on it because I just wanted impulsion and “long and low”. Read every dressage book because I wanted to “do it right”. I did absolutely nothing to cause him fear or pain. He still started bucking and escalated to rearing every time I asked him to trot. He realized that rearing scared the hell out of me (which it should) and it was a form of evasion. Nothing fear based or traumatic going on. Not every horse rears because the rider is a jerk. Now I put a focus on giving to the bit because it works. Now that I insist on that giving, I have had zero issues. When I tried to ride with no bit contact my horse is able to throw his head up and pop up. Maybe that method of “let the horse do whatever it wants and just ignore it” schooling works with warmbloods. Sure as hell didn’t work with my smart Arabian who is constantly inventing new ways to outsmart me. I’m sorry, but when a horse is being this dangerous, I think it’s kinder to use less than ideal training methods than it is to euthanize a young horse because rearing is impossible to resolve, which seems to be the average internet busybody’s opinion. Either send it to a trainer (who will use the tools and do the stuff you refuse to do yourself) or just give up on riding that horse. I’m sorry, those aren’t real solutions.
@xtoddie
@xtoddie 9 жыл бұрын
Good video, wouldn't use the word 'fix' though. A horse isn't a broken object :L
@Dexyu
@Dexyu 9 жыл бұрын
+toddiequestrian Well he's fixing the wrong lessons that have been imprinted on it. I would assume.
@xtoddie
@xtoddie 9 жыл бұрын
That's not what it says, it says "how to fix a rearing horse" not "how to fix wrong lessons" which doesn't even make sense anyway because you can only fix an object. 
@Dexyu
@Dexyu 9 жыл бұрын
toddiequestrian oh please. Fixin an attitude for one example..
@xtoddie
@xtoddie 9 жыл бұрын
+Dexyu okay, will give you that, but please tell me how "fixing wrong lessons" makes sense. But even if it did, I'm sorry but saying fixing a horse just sounds a little disrespectful, as if a horse is like a machine or something. It's a living creature, it deserves some form of respect
@Dexyu
@Dexyu 9 жыл бұрын
toddiequestrian Well as he said the horse was about to be butchered. So he need to fix the horse so it doesn't happen. I doubt he meant fix as an insult.. and even if he did..who cares? Look at the bigger picture he's saving the horses life by training it so the way he talks is unimportant.
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
It's not the same horse. Karen has one horse, you're on a different horse.
@YOYO-ew8mp
@YOYO-ew8mp 8 жыл бұрын
So y can't we see the end?
@tokyoblu79
@tokyoblu79 4 жыл бұрын
Because his shitty training methods clearly made the horse worse, not better.
@kelsiebeaulieu5227
@kelsiebeaulieu5227 10 жыл бұрын
So wrong!! The first three horses were having their mouths pulled on causing pain, the grey horse was found to have very painful hoof sores, the 'little girl' was pulling on the reins and flipped that horse, did you not see the head thrashing back and forth in obvious pain? Peanut is obviously stressed by that bitch hitting her, look at her white eyes and laid back ears. If that bitch hits her 26 times in public what do you think she does to that poor horse in private? Just because she rescued her doesn't make the lady an angel, obviously since she's so okay with hitting her. Horses don't rear for no reason! If people would quit following the 'ideal' of having a horse in a 'collected frame' and pulling on its mouth all the time there would be less accidents and more successful riders. Your way is so painful for the horse I'm surprised she didn't freak out more! Spurs, two whips and keeping constant bit pressure, and what is that, a martingale? Could you have any more equipment on this poor horse? For a so called 'horse trainer' you also can't ride for shit, your hands are high and all over the place! You are no trainer you're a charlatan and horse abuser! Look at 5:57 the poor mare looks like a victim of the dressage rollkur fad! So much stress is in that poor mares face! Just because there are no marks doesn't mean you haven't caused her pain and fear! If you want her to keep going forward, relax and not rear how about staying OUT of her mouth and face?!? This mare would so benefit from going bit less with a rider with soft hands, as would all other "problem horses" out there! Finally, just because you got her 'soft and supple' as you say, doesn't mean it's the right way. Does the horse look relaxed? Does it look like she enjoyed her lesson with you? Does it look like she learned anything? When horses become afraid cortizol is released from the brain and prevents learning so I highly doubt this mare learned much, other than to ignore all the pain and equipment or face the wrath of the bastard on her back!
@TyLeeslilsis
@TyLeeslilsis 10 жыл бұрын
I'm not saying this to tell you that you're wrong because you're not in most of the points that you brought up, but did you hear him when he said that Peanut is a Saddlebred? Those horses are not trained to accept loose reins, soft footsteps, and low headsets like a Quarter Horse. They're bred and trained to "look" like their muscles are tight and like they're always standing tall and proud with their nose to their chest. The trainer's not causing her pain. He's riding her how she's supposed to be ridden and also taking into account what her breed is trained to do. When it comes to Saddlebreds you have to watch more than just their big-body cues. When a horse takes their hoof a foot off the ground some people say that that's a sign of uneasiness, but for a Saddlebred, that's natural. If you're looking for normal "negative" signs from a horse in a Saddlebred, the only parts that really show you any normal signs is their eyes, ears, and (from my experience) their back-line (not including their tails because most of the time those are altered). Sadly, this video isn't that great of quality to watch her eyes, but you can tell from her ears that when walking around in the beginning her ears are almost floppy looking. That's a sign that they're listening and relaxed, but when her ears start to look like they're almost stuck is when you can tell she's starting to mentally tense up. They're still moving around, but not as much as they were before. Also, the trainer's seat and hands are wear they should be for riding a properly trained Saddlebred. The hands should be about half way up the horse's neck, complimenting the natural headset of the Saddlebred. His arms (and especially his elbows) are wider apart than they should be, but he's keeping the basic seat that he needs to handle the mare properly. I really hope you can give this guy credit for preventing the horse from hurting itself (and him), instead of bashing on what "looks wrong" to you.
@minihorselover001
@minihorselover001 10 жыл бұрын
Waffle3ater Actually this guy gets no credit from me at all. I grew up riding saddlebreds and a few saddlebred crosses, they don't NEED tight reins, the RIDER needs tight reins because he's insecure. Any and every breed of horse can be trained to accept loose reins very easily if the owner is willing to work with them. If he would've given this poor mare some release she wouldn't have 'freaked out' to begin with! You think that metal bit, those spurs and two whips don't cause pain?? Horses can feel a fly land on them, they are more sensitive than people! I dare you to use them on yourself the way he used them on this mare. She was in pain. He looks like a rank beginner riding this mare and I see several times where he looks off balance.
@minihorselover001
@minihorselover001 10 жыл бұрын
ltrocha I have fixed rearing and kicking horses, including a 2,000lb draft horse, and didn't need even half of the tools this moron needed! Maybe it's the correct way to do it in the show horse world but then again soring, drugging and abusive riding practices such as rollkur are also seen as okay so it's not a surprise that you think this is okay for the horse.
@esterdekwaaisteniet2978
@esterdekwaaisteniet2978 10 жыл бұрын
My lease horse always looks around him with white eyes, but he's never scared o.0
@minihorselover001
@minihorselover001 10 жыл бұрын
Ester Dekwaaisteniet This varies for every horse. This mare is in obvious pain with or without the white eyes. My point was he has her is such a rollkur position that at times her eyes are straining to see.
@abbeyalice
@abbeyalice 9 жыл бұрын
The clip with the first whit horse the horse did have a health issue at the time xx
@thomasfaltejsek
@thomasfaltejsek 9 жыл бұрын
+TheAbbeyalice yeah according to the guy in the saddle it was dead lame and he cured it with his miraculous riding. if you believe that I have some ocean front property in iowa to sell you.
@anyagetman8596
@anyagetman8596 7 жыл бұрын
chiropractor to get Peanut to bend at the poll??
@destinyfisher7569
@destinyfisher7569 8 жыл бұрын
Lol i just smack my horse with a little strength in between his ears XD He doesn't do it anymore XD XD XD
@destinyfisher7569
@destinyfisher7569 8 жыл бұрын
***** everybody has their training methods. But every horse I've trained with rearing problems, I've smacked them in between the ears, and they never do it again. My trainer is a professional trainer AND a pro barrel racer/pole bender. She knows what she's doing, and so do I. But, unfortunately, you can't criticize my training methods if they work amazingly 😊
@siriusblack2453
@siriusblack2453 8 жыл бұрын
If you break a horse or abuse a horse, it works amazingly too. Just to say. I don't say you do, I just bring a comparison.
@Anna-ek4it
@Anna-ek4it 7 жыл бұрын
Thats Just so wrong
@duarteludovice
@duarteludovice 10 жыл бұрын
funny americans
@lifewithhorsesismylife1655
@lifewithhorsesismylife1655 6 жыл бұрын
my horse reared in a canter and a gallop
@jamienicolato8507
@jamienicolato8507 7 жыл бұрын
No helmet ..poor understanding of the seat...and connection...please do not repeat this technique
@lala-zs9si
@lala-zs9si 6 жыл бұрын
omg those horrible spurs
@TheDella1965
@TheDella1965 8 жыл бұрын
omg .. whAT a oad off tosh --- remember never use the stick and remember .. baby steps and reward .. i have retrained loads of x race horses and all with love .. not being kept under control by in humane means again ... poor chaps ... natural... and start again .. and also remember i never do this any ill gains,,,, ... it free .. like my horses. xx#
@littlefatsky3302
@littlefatsky3302 9 жыл бұрын
Great
@ladygardener100
@ladygardener100 9 жыл бұрын
Never seen such terrible training methods, not surprised these guys have problems with horses, only the most docile would accept their methods.
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