How to: Fix KTM Kickstand (a must for off-road riders)!

[@DaveChristopherson]

what size bolt do you replace it with?

[@JohnHowerton137]

The short one is KTM # 0019080206S 8x20: amzn.to/3oWm8Rq The original long one for the bushing is a 0019080266S 8x26: amzn.to/43J698g

[@DaveChristopherson]

@@JohnHowerton137 so.... I toss the roller washer and install the short bolt? and that's it?

[@JohnHowerton137]

@@DaveChristopherson that’s it! Allows the little moon piece to cam over without tension so it won’t flip up 👍

[@DaveChristopherson]

@@JohnHowerton137 mine seems to lean over too far, kickstand digs into frame, bushing shot?

[@JohnHowerton137]

I’d guess the main kickstand hole is hogged out and maybe even cracked. Happens often if people sit on the bike while the stand is down. Might need a fresh leg, but don’t know because obviously I haven’t seen it 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@PowerSports]

THANK YOU SO MUCH!!! Just got a 2024 FE 501s and was scared to death I was gonna drop the bike due to that stupid-ass automatic retraction.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Another government safety add on that makes riding more dangerous 🤣 I remember my first experience with this safety feature… I was working at a dealership and I went to move a big ass Harley. I tipped it up (I was on opposite side) and moved it a few inches to re-align it in the row. I leaned it back over expecting the stand to be there… it wasn’t. 700lb or whatever Harley pulled me right over and dumped. Of course it hit other bikes and who remembers what got bent. Luckily nobody was underneath the thing.

[@probuilder961]

Amazing! Just looked in my parts bag & sure enough, there's the shorter bolt! Will definitely install on my EXC-F! I recognize those bird sounds from our epic Hawaii family vacation last Summer!

[@JohnHowerton137]

My new place has a lot more bird sounds and a lot less Weed Eaters and Honda cars! Probably more barking dogs though if I think about it 🤣 Enjoy your bike not falling over!

[@human1513]

Thanx. On my trail ridden 2022 300 XC TPI the stand works good but I replaced the foot with a larger one. The bolt, bushing & spring has fallen off mine a few times even after I instslled it using red loctite. Luckily I have found the parts on the ground.

[@JohnHowerton137]

I don't have one to look at right now, but is there room for a nylock nut if you put in a/the longer bolt? I know it happens because the rotating action can loosen things, but it's impressive it backed out with red. Maybe the threads are a little stretched out on the bracket. Up to this point, my three stand haven't given me any grief 🤞

[@tcb333]

Thanks for posting this information. I found it really useful.

[@BIGNickHenry]

So you’re the first video I’ve seen use both those springs. I was wondering why my kickstand kit came with both

[@BIGNickHenry]

Both springs don’t fit on my 2014 KTM 300 XCW six days. I only put on the long skinny spring.

[@SLP-eb1wp]

Its suppose to be lightweight... And the foot print is just fine. It does its job.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Did you even watch the video? That wasn’t the point, the comment was a bike specific observation.

[@gmel1084]

Stupid question. when its off and the key is out you can just roll it like if a gas bike is in neutral?

[@JohnHowerton137]

That's a legit question. There is no neutral, but it's kind of a faux neutral. Easiest way to describe it would be a warmed up gas bike with the engine off and pushing it while in gear with the clutch lever pulled in. Or pushing a bike with a Rekluse Auto in gear. It's not hard, but there is resistance. It sucks for lubing the chain 🤣 My solution is... to start it in mode 1 and spin the wheel using throttle while spraying the lube. The engine doesn't have the jerkiness of a gas bike so it doesn't flop around on the stand. nice smooth slow spin. Good for scrubbing tires too. Jus watch da fingas brah! 😆

[@jondavies4027]

Great tip many thanks.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Happy bike not falling over 🤙

[@newenglandscrambler2262]

Thanks! I'm not new to riding off road, but the KTM EXC-F is my first real "dirt bike." The kickstand has been aggravating me since day 1 and I could not understand why it was designed that way for a dirt machine. Great explanation and fix overview.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Yeah, I hate the auto return. By buddy’s bike still has it and after parking his bike for him several times last weekend, it was starting to piss me off 🤣

[@angelcabello8775]

También con el mismo tornillo de ocho (quitando el casquillo) mas una arandela y al tornillo pequeño dos arandelas de un milímetro y doblando un poco la leva se queda el caballete lateral.

[@Jorday6600]

i'm having two problems. I just picked up my new 500 EXCF yesterday and the curved shaped bracket seems like it's bent. The small bolt that attaches the curved bracket to the kickstand was backing out due to not being properly torqued and it looks like the bracket is bent now because the bracket was trying to go on the outside of the spacer thing. your bracket looks perfectly flat. Also my kickstand is sticking partway up and it springs halfway up and then just gets stuck and you have to use your foot to kick it up the rest of the way. It's 6 hours of driving to take it back to the dealer.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Take the spacer out like in this video and see if it works. Could also lay the bracket on a hard flat surface and pound it straight with a hammer, then chase those little threads and medium threadlock it in so it doesn’t back out again. Sucks you have to do this, but I suspect on a new bike… it wasn’t torqued great, then the spacer kicked the stand up 100 times on the dealer floor with people looking at it… helping to loosen it, then a bunch of fat tire kickers sat on it with the stand down, which the stand was never designed for in the first place. I suspect the original bolt is probably bent too as a result, but you wont need it if you install the shorter one.

[@tiagomonteiro2678]

Any quick fix for a broken EXC side stand bushing? (Central threaded part where countersunk bolt will grab). Very hard tricky part to weld back. Happened to me and a friend. Both 2017 bikes. A quick reminder for everyone out there to take a peek at the side stand system to watch out for wear and repair + lube to make it last.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Quick fix is; take the kickstand off for the time being and order a new bushing (prob # 78003023080). If there are trees to lean on you’ll barely miss it. Nothing about the KTM kickstand is durable. It was designed to be light, out of the way and occasionally used... unlike all the other bikes on the planet where it’s constantly in the way of the foot, weighs 5lbs and is a stabbing threat.

[@tiagomonteiro2678]

@@JohnHowerton137 thanks for the advice. Major problem with it is the very tricky spot. It broke very easily being knocked over accidentally by a friend. No parts lost. Wondering if it's better to grind the bulge at the back flush and use a lock-nut and longer bolt.

[@JohnHowerton137]

As long as it clears the swingarm. Keep in mind, some parts are meant to fail to keep other parts from damage. The particular bike in this video often bends shock bolts on hard landings. I thought about installing a stronger bolt, but I'd rather replace a bolt once in a while than crack a frame, subframe, or damage a shock. Break an $11 bushing, or a $85 kickstand? Just something to think about. Rubber side down 🤙

[@alissagrover3147]

Mine busted, haven't figured out a fix yet.

[@tiagomonteiro2678]

@@alissagrover3147 Sorry I haven't updated this post. I got it fixed by getting a bolt and nut through. It clears the swing arm and the side stand is able to get fixed. For this, you'll have to grind the "metal bulge" flat on one side to get it flat, and drill the other. Use a ny-lock low profile nut. On the bolt head side, if you're fortunate enough to find a countersink that fits great. I found a bolt that had a bit of a lower profile hex head that the spring can get over with not problem. It just has to be long enough to keep thongs tight and checked once in a while. Good quaility threadlock can also be used.

[@brokedirtbiker9426]

Do you know where my buddy could get one of those stainless steel pieces on the kickstand? He lost his spring and it vibrated out over time and now that he bought a new spring he doesn’t have that important part.

[@JohnHowerton137]

If you’re talking about the skinny little moon shaped piece that cams over, this is the KTM part number: 78003023090 It it’s about $6 fits oodles of KTM’s from 08-17. Hope that helps.

[@rossg9363]

Try Bikebandit.com they list full oem parts catalogue's with diagrams, part numbers and prices, i regularly buy stuff from them to Australia or i get the part number there and look around ebay and stuff lol 😁👍

[@2WheelDerness]

Can you measure the distance between springs fixing points with kickstand up? I want to use same springs and system on GasGas300

[@JohnHowerton137]

Is your bike a 2021 GasGas?

[@2WheelDerness]

@@JohnHowerton137 no, I wish :)) is 2006.

[@JohnHowerton137]

@@2WheelDerness I'll try and remember to get you those measurements and take a photo of them.

[@Sisu2280]

No road bike, in 20 years of riding, has had an auto up kickstand. Can't understand why this is a thing on dirt bikes

[@JohnHowerton137]

Quite a few bikes do and maybe almost all Harley’s. It’s actually kind of convenient, but equally as much a pain in the ass.

[@mitchelmartin5412]

I just bought a 500 exc today and the kickstand gave out right when i got it home and off my truck. The bike dropped and the shifter cracked the crankcase cover on my engine and its leaking oil.

[@JohnHowerton137]

If it broke without a body on it, it might have been pre-cracked for you. They are not really study enough for people to sit on the bike. If it was sitting at a dealer, someone may have been sitting and playing around on the bike on the showroom floor and cracked something etc… They are plenty functional despite what anyone says. Personally I despise the heavy stands found on Japanese equivalent on high performance motorcycles. These stands are awesome in the way that they tuck out of the way and get strapped up. You can race full on MX and they’re really not in the way at all! JB quicksteel can get you back and going until you get a new cover. I have several “Fix” videos with it. Here’s on: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rpTThox6rZ2bmNU

[@mitchelmartin5412]

@@JohnHowerton137 Thanks Jon. I will check those videos out. I actually took a picture of the bike before this happened and it looks like the crack wasnt there, because I thought the same. Unless it was very small and just got bigger. But I think it just fell perfectly so all the force went into the shift lever which punctured the cover. I have since swapped the stand bolt to your instructions which definitely would have prevented this. My driveway is a bit uneven so I think it was just enough that the stand was able to snap back up.

[@JohnHowerton137]

Yes, I feel like it was just an unfortunate "New Bike 😖" incident. The first scratch is NEVER easy and always aggravating, especially when it's a good one. Here's my new $12k KTM getting her first scratch (rear fender not shown) kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3msdH5-nrV6oqM

[@JohnHowerton137]

And on the "pre-cracked" I meant the sidestand (I thought it broke making the bike fall over). Extremely unlikely the ignition cover left the shop with damage. The person doing the PDI would have noticed that and if they let it out the door and ran out of oil and blew up, that would be a big warrenty claim.

[@higharcanist1612]

Have a part number for the shorter bolt? Bought one used and the guy lost both, so I am looking at ordering one. Is there a washer on the other side?

[@JohnHowerton137]

Should be # 0019080206S FLAT HEAD SCREW M. ISA45 M8X20. The one used with the spacer bushing is M8X35. It’s just a KTM subframe bolt used on every bike for decades if you have one kicking around.

[@djantix1200]

@@JohnHowerton137 thanks! I was going to ask too. Amazon actually sells it.

[@TheMjdiste]

I had two brand new bikes that lost that bolt within the first 3 hrs. The one spring hit me in the face and narrowly missed my eye. What's worse is that my KTM dealer hasn't provided a replacement and I'm now heading into month three of trying. I called KTM customer service and they didn't offer any help either. KTM used to care about their customers.... those days are over. #ktm #iveboughtmylastktm #poordesign #classactionlawsuit #theydontcare #problems #customercare

[@JohnHowerton137]

Those days are over with most companies. Probably and unfortunately because everyone is trying to get something and sue them all the time. They just pick their battles and let lawyers deal with it. Not saying they couldn't provide you a bolt (dealer could have easily handled it), but having worked in customer service for 25 years, consumers take very little responsibility for anything, make demands like crazy and instantly turn to social media to get their way... half the time no matter what the company does. Back in the 90's (and still today) nobody including myself sued about the probably 100s of thousands of Honda seat bolts that fell out and sometimes seat flying off in the air. I saw TWO Factory Hondas lose a seatbolt (and nearly a side panel) during a National on a live TV broadcast this summer alone. We just bought/sold $3 bolts and made sure to Loctite them every time. Moral of the story... that bolt is $3 and it's a dirtbike! I have a box of them. Basically the same as subframe and sprocket bolts. Bolts loosen up/fall out all the time. Especially on 2 stroke, and especially when bikes are new. (Pro tip, check spokes on new bikes too.) Maybe I'm the first guy to tell you this, but if you value your life, you should be checking over the bike and bolts regularly anyway. The nature of where that bolt is located, the threads can be easily stretched. For all I know, you could be one of those guys who sits on their bike with the kickstand down and this is why you've now lost 2 and I've lost zero in 23 years of KTM ownership. Maybe ease up on the 1st world problems a little and enjoy that marvelous piece of engineering that can propel you through nature at death defying paces. The way you hashtagged, I'd likely to give you no time of day either.

[@TheMjdiste]

@@JohnHowerton137 Say what you want, the bottom line is if you produce a product that's clearly faulty you should own up to it and fix it, not ignore it.

[@JohnHowerton137]

@@TheMjdiste is it clearly faulty? This design is from the 90's. 100s of thousands(?) of bikes have used it for 25+ years? Every one of my friends has multiple KTMs (not including my 3 with this stand), one guy has lost one bolt. One. He also happens to be the guy who only puts a wrench to his bike when the Chinese have cloned a new orange bling part to bolt up. #2bucks #loctite #0019080206S

[@TheMjdiste]

@@JohnHowerton137 yes, clearly faulty and a poor design. There are a significant number of owners complaining. They could have simply covered it under warranty as they should have but didn't. They got too big and they're going down hill. I've been on KTM's since 1986. Their new plastic subframe is junk and that's going to be the next blackeye. I realize they could care less but they're losing a lot of historically loyal customers.

[@TheMjdiste]

The parts from Indochina aren't helping either.

[@cloudzrest]

Sounds like Hawaii birds

[@briancrumpacker]

How I fixed my KTM kickstand: I bought a Fastway.

[@abacanabanana]

I've jumped my 450 exc over 100' so I can't say I'm gentle, but the fastway fell apart on me during regular use.

[@JohnHowerton137]

@@abacanabanana I've bought 2 bikes with Fastway stands. Took them off! Not saying I think they're bad for put-put trail riding, but far to clunky and in the way for my tastes. OEM KTM kickstand is the only stand on any brand that hasn't pissed me off. When you have big feet and properly ride on your toes, other stands are ALWAYS in the way. The KTM rubber band make a huge difference. I rode a CRF250L a month ago. It was barely rideable. The kickstand was constantly killing the engine because the stand is in the way of the foot when you are in a proper riding position. This is the difference between Japanese engineers designing something... and top race teams in Austria designing something!

[@briancrumpacker]

@@abacanabanana what failed?

[@abacanabanana]

@@briancrumpacker I forget the exact terms, but there is a pressed bolt where the kickstand rotates on. The pressed piece somehow came apart and the kickstand fell off. Thankfully I recovered it. It costs $50 to repair plus shipping there and back so around $80 when it’s all said and done. A cheap 3rd party kickstand sells for $40-60. I’m worried the repaired kickstand will fail faster than the original since the piece that failed is already worn.