How to Fix the Shimmer Effect in Suno v4

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CB-AI

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@TUNEScorner-k7o Ай бұрын

Important topic....thanks for posting!

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

@@TUNEScorner-k7o My pleasure! Thank you for watching!

@AMeditativeSoundscape 13 күн бұрын

Hi ! To get rid of the "shimmering" effect ( lowering it in fact ), i use LandR mastering and some EQ tweaks with FlStudio EQ2 ( lowering the high ends , a little less medium and low ends ). Then FLStudio EQ1 with Multimedia Brickwall 11khz preset... Sounds much better. But not perfect.

@CB-AI 10 күн бұрын

Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

@AdaptiveDevelopementPlatform Ай бұрын

The shimmer effect has always been there. Was masked in a different way. also, spacing out your lyrics and text helps as well plus the remaster option.

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

Since v4 came out, I've noticed the shimmer a little in v3.5, although it's so much less unpronounced I didn't notice it 'til comparing with v4. Thanks for the tip about spacing the lyrics. Do you mean it helps to literally add more space (like more space in the text prompt), or are you referring to spacing the lyrics by adding instrumental breaks in between?

@TKProductionz 19 күн бұрын

While this works (for me at least 8/10 times to reduce or remove the shimmer completely) you will "downgrade" your output and your vocals. I just hope they push 4.5 which is said to fix the shimmer/mask it better soon. This is still a great workaround for now.

@CB-AI 16 күн бұрын

Thanks @TKNorway, I hope they'll post a fix soon, too. I'm of the opinion that many casual listeners are listening with an untrained ear and probably won't be bothered by the v3.5 production if the songwriting, music, and composition are high quality.

@TKProductionz 16 күн бұрын

@@CB-AI I have songs up that I can clearly hear shimmer but most of my friends or family and even random people won't hear it. It's quite alarming how people can not hear it in my opinion. That is how I spot AI songs on spotify now, the "shimmer/lasering effect" is so distinct to AI generated instruments. Even Udio which is objectively higher sound quality even struggles with this. I will say V4 of SUNO did massive leaps in sound quality. I can not wait till full blown AI DAW's arrive, it will shatter and rewrite the music scene forever, and people who never had the possibility to make music will now be able to do that.

@SolitaryJake Ай бұрын

It's definitely more of an issue with any sort of distorted guitar sound. I have a 2000's, Nu Metal track that I really like and the shimmer was very pronounced. As an alternative solution that doesn't use v3.5, I have found that using the 'Remaster' option also works quite well and doesn't require any further input. Using this method isn't perfect and sometimes requires multiple 'tries' before capturing the desired sound, which is an irritating waste of credits but does a good job reducing that strange oscillation or 'shimmer' noise. It really is pot luck; one track was great after one remaster, another took 8-10 attempts (4-5 remasters as it still gives you two versions each time). Thanks for the video. I hope one of these methods works as a stop-gap until Suno can iron out the issue.

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

Hi Jake, my pleasure. Thank you, as well, for the tip about Remaster. I tried it on a few tracks and didn't like the results, but I didn't try many times on the same one. It's good to know it will work after enough tries.

@TUNEScorner-k7o Ай бұрын

I've also tried remaster, but only once. And because it was not helpful I did not try more than once. But next time I will....thanks to both for the topic!

@ralfadelski Ай бұрын

SUNO is working on a solution. At the moment it is recommended to create stems and stitch them together using an audio software or DAW. This is supposed to help.

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

Have you found that splitting the stems and recombining in a DAW reduces the problem? I've tried testing the mp3 and Wav files in Audacity to remove the effect but couldn't do it without a substantial negative impact on the EQ and mix quality.

@ralfadelski Ай бұрын

@@CB-AI It just seems like an option that doesn't always work. I read it in a forum. Unfortunately it is not a reliable method. I hope SUNO solves the problem.

@stevewalton3151 Ай бұрын

Going back to v3.5 gets rid of it (because the mechanism of v3.5 doesn't have the problem) but it also loses the voice and instrument quality of v4. You do at least maintain the song structure excellence of v4, however. But v3.5 also contains a fuzziness that can ruin a song.

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

Hi Steve, thank you for the feedback. I agree that there can be a reduction in production quality when going to to v3.5. I've been testing both out quite a bit and think they both have pro's and cons. I like v3.5 for getting the production sound from a particular era whereas v4 has a more modern, clear distinction between the instruments and vocals, and sounds more "up front" in the mix. But the shimmer effect is so bad sometimes I switch to the more flat sounding output of v3.5. It also seems to depend on the genre which version works better. Hopefully Suno will patch an update for v4 soon. I've tried putting the shimmery tracks in Audacity to try to fix it there, but haven't had any luck yet. (Could be because I just lack the audio engineering knowledge, though. I haven't found any audio production videos yet that talk about this specifically)

@stevewalton3151 Ай бұрын

@@CB-AI I've also tried filtering out the shimmer in Audacity, but the lowpass filters aren't very sharp. The frequency of the shimmer is about the same as fast drum tracks, so you'd lose both. The folks at Suno, I hope, understand the engineering clues that a) the spread spectrum of the shimmer is always the same, and b) the frequency is always the same regardless of the tempo of the song. I've sent in complaints to them in a steady stream, but I presume they are working hard to figure it out (thus it is still labeled "beta").

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

@@stevewalton3151 Hopefully they'll release the fix for it soon. I've noticed there's a lot of threads on other sites with people complaining about it.

@allmyke4754 Ай бұрын

thank you

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

My pleasure; thanks for watching!

@SteveM45 Ай бұрын

What is the shimmer effekt

@ralfadelski Ай бұрын

The shimmer effect is a kind of background noise.

@stevewalton3151 Ай бұрын

I believe it's a feedback effect. I don't know the mechanics of their algorithms, but somewhere it's picking up some feed-forward noise. The shimmer is always the same frequency, a hallmark of resonance modes. I really hope they get it fixed soon, because I'm having real trouble getting clean versions that minimize it.

@crazyitalianguy000 Ай бұрын

It's that slotmachine/phone ring/laser/whatever you wanna call it in the backgrounds of any song made in v4

@HalkerVeil Ай бұрын

Is this why they haven't fixed it? They went Bethesda and let the community fix it for them?

@CB-AI Ай бұрын

Possibly. According my understanding, it's normal for tech startups to focus on releasing a Minimum Viable Product (MVP) that works enough to use, and then they tweak and improve it based on their user's feedback, because they don't want to waste time/resources building features that customers won't use. They say v4 is in Beta mode, but IMHO they probably over-hyped it and made it look like it was a non-Beta feature. I did find a better way to reduce the shimmer that lets you keep the song in v4, I made a part 2 video for it here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3aQiWp9nd2BfdEsi=3NRw7WrPjJbS7ehN This video at 10:38 talks about the "releasing a crappy product to help certain customers" thing that tech startups do: kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4O9kJ9tmLutsLcsi=pXw5ijeqh9JpemFd&t=638

@chillwalker 21 күн бұрын

I found a method to get rid of the shimmer WITHOUT Regenerating the Song. Without Suno in General. Who wants to see it give me a like than I do a video!!

@FM-wc8gu 7 сағат бұрын

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