How to FIX your 16” MacBook Pro - (Don’t Return it)

[@MaxTechOfficial]

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[@asifmahmudakash7480]

@Max_Tech Please give me that man! Please.I've saved about 700$ but I want to be a programmer. My family can afford a windows laptop but they won't understand. if I give you 1000$ would you give me that 16" Macbook pro? I'm not telling you to give away. I know it's worth 3/4X the price. But If you have any extra I thought you would be able to give me one. People are saying I'm begging and a fraud. Man, I'm a Student of IIT (Institute of Information Technology, University of Dhaka) I'm a Bangladeshi. So, please don't mind if I've disappointed you.. Sorry sir. I'm very much ashamed of myself for asking for the fever. Im really very sorry.

[@kojoowusu9847]

where can i find your wallpaper

[@thomasbuckler3977]

what's your fan profile goof?

[@ZygmuntKrynicki]

The root problem is that external displays are routed to the dedicated GPU because current generation of Intel GPUs cannot drive the displays at this resolution using the right version of display port standard. I expect this to change in the eventual 10nm chips that have support for DP 2.0 in their iGPUs

[@MaxTechOfficial]

I'm not sure if thats true Zygmunt. The 2019 base model MacBook Pro ($1299) which uses an 8th gen intel CPU with intel Iris 645 graphics can run the LG 5K at full quality or the ProDisplay XDR at 5K 10bit HDR. Same with the 2015 MacBook air can run it at 5K. The 15 and 16-inch MacBook Pro's don't use IRIS so maybe that's why but that 645 says it supports up to 4096x2304@60Hz but Apple is getting it to run way more. The UHD Graphics 630 in the 2019 16" MacBook Pro also list that spec but who knows maybe they can't get over that from the non IRIS intel GPU's or maybe its software. If its hardware it might be time to start putting IRIS into the higher end CPUs if Intel would do it, or just time to switch to ARM.

[@harrym8556]

First, your suggested fan curves caused overheating and made my 16" mac unresponsive. Second, this does NOT fix the macbook pro 16". There is something wrong with it. You used istat to check power consumption on the GPU. As soon as you connect an external monitor, the discrete AMD gpu is activated, and consumes 20 Watts with the lid open on idle. In clamshell mode with 1 display port monitor it uses only 5 Watt at idle. But if you use HDMI, consumption at idle jumps to 20 watt. Why does the GPU require 5 Watts to run a 4K external display, but suddenly jumps to 20 Watts when it has to support the small internal screen, at idle? This design flaw is the reason the fans are noisy and the mac gets hot. The same issue occurs on Bootcamp. It is not a software/driver issue. It is a firmware/hardware defect, present on all 16" macbooks. If I play a light video game, the GPU and CPU pull more than 100 watts of power from the wall, and the mac DISCHARGES WHILE PLUGGED IN! Apple forums, reddit and macrumors have hundreds of reports on the above behavior. Apple claims this is normal behavior. I've never seen laptops discharge from 100% to 50% while using the laptop plugged in... This is a serious power issue, Apple is selling a defective product, and your cover up is not helping. Stop blaming Intel. This flaw is purely Apple's and AMD's fault.

[@eby61mss]

Better to use displayport or hdmi for external monitor connection to keep the watts down? Thanks

[@victorchu964]

Shahmi Suhaimee DisplayPort has been more stable for me

[@sanjeevtyagi8819]

I am about to buy Base macbook 16 inch Should i go for it?

[@stevenchen2454]

You are right. Doesn't know this guy took how to match money from Apple and that APP creator. I really hate his video right now, but the YouTub keeps pushing his video.

[@victorchu964]

Sanjeev Tyagi I think the i7 might be good. I think it might be an i9 issue.

[@luuuke_s1]

I love Apple but I don’t think those steps should be needed on a 2k+ machine to run like you expect it to.

[@Spazza42]

Like he mentions in the video, is that Apple’s fault or Intel’s? Intel have such severe marketing fluff when it comes to the performance of their CPUs that it should be illegal. They would advertise that a CPU capable of 4.5GHz, but fail to mention that’s on 1 core, for no more than 15 seconds and only when the laptop is plugged in. Other than that it can only sustain 3.8GHz over 4 cores (again, when plugged in). The thermal limits of their chip are so low they easily hit 100c, so they throttle down to 2.7GHz as that’s all they can sustain. 2.7GHz isn’t 4.5GHz. Apple should switch to their own ARM processors. Intel have gotten slack at making good CPUs....

[@dookie6734]

Yeah maybe you could blame intel more than Apple, but for me this is the first MacBook Pro that’s actually doing what I expect in 4 years - pro power with loud fans to keep it running smoothly. To me it feels like everyone complaining is wanting a 15 inch MacBook Air... which maybe has enough demand that they should consider it.

[@harrym8556]

@@Spazza42 it is not Intel's fault. The problem is the disrete GPU by AMD, which has a defect, and consumes >20 Watts at idle, when it really should be consuming 5 Watts or less. This is really a fault of AMD and Apple, not Intel.

[@sasmills]

@@harrym8556 how can than problem be fixed without getting rid of apple?

[@extra4542]

Spazza42 it doesn’t matter whose fault it is, it’s the product creator’s fault to prevent it. Shouldn’t be on the consumer to seek out a fix to a fundamental product flaw

[@Pytte]

You never mentioned the real issue, the dGPU goes to 20watt on IDLE if connected to external displays. Running internally on dgpu it only uses 4-6watt. So you have no real solution to the problem. Do some real tests......

[@burneraccount7747]

Completely agree. This is not a senseless complaint as the guy is implying. It's kind of offensive for him to be treating it like that, when people have spent a small fortune on a device that should do something as simple as use an external monitor. There is a clear overheating issue on external monitors that is a defect, not an issue of preference. Fans running at 5k rpm and 90C is not tolerable for playing one 4k video and browsing a couple tabs of chrome. There's no reason for the gpu to jump from 5w on the igpu all the way to 20-30w just to use one external monitor. I dont know why people give Apple all the excuses in the world. At least acknowledge the problem and say you're cool with it instead, not completely pretend as if the users are the one that should change standards. So frustrating.

[@denys3211]

@@burneraccount7747 Just replaced my 1,300 Dell Inspiron which worked PERFECTLY by this 2,400 Mac for the sake of MacOS and get this smh! This is nonsense and unacceptable.

[@JuanAlvarez-uf3np]

Aaaaaah, when Apple wants a machine without noice, people says “aaah is too slow and it has thermal throttling” when apple gets the fans louder, people say “aaaaah is too loud”

[@MaxTechOfficial]

Exactly

[@tb6265]

but ipad is noiseless & actually powerfull... aaaand it doesn’t get hot 🤔 ARM cpu 👍

[@time1187]

Juan Álvarez that’s typical..people always complaining all the time.

[@tb6265]

yes, if this part costs 4000,- or more Dollars & the fan runs constantly as hell, you can also complain. for heavy tasks, it needs a pro machine 😉. don’t need it for just writing documents ...

[@JuanAlvarez-uf3np]

t b ok so get a desktop, an iMac or iMac Pro.

[@louistrece]

I haven’t had any issues, I love my 16 inch MacBook Pro

[@leoliu7763]

Louis 13 me too

[@Tntpker]

Its amazing because the screen is huge and so crisp, and I love this because I have to read many papers and articles for work. No eye strains anymore as I did get when looking at 1920x1080 or lower res screens

[@allandresner]

Mine as well, 16 inch MBP is the best I have owned since my 17 inch G4 :D

[@pabloevuu5232]

Me too best laptop I’ve ever had

[@nickywan123]

Tntpker what’s the default resolution on MBP 2019 16”?

[@davidss0nn]

Max, we all appreciate your big effort to help the MBP 16 owners to find a solution. But, I think that there is something I need to point. The exact problem is the watt usage of the GPU while connecting an external monitor with open lid. The watt usage rising immediately to 17-18 watt, which leads the cpu temperatures to rise as well to 60-65 degrees in idle state. The fans noise is a direct result of this issue, because while doing basic tasks like web browsing the cpu temperatures rise, so the fans need to take a control of that.

[@AddeDaMan]

That's exactly what he's explaining in the video though.

[@heythere6983]

someone here posted issues with fans just writing notes.

[@duckytheworrier]

Did you find a solution to that? I’ve been looking around the internet for months now.

[@davidcristofaro6287]

Thanks for your work on this video, but my fear, however, is that this will cause Apple and others to ignore this issue, as there is in fact a heat problem when connecting this MBP to an external monitor. Plugging in an external monitor spikes the power to the Radeon 5500 up over 19 watts. It doesn't come back down until the monitor is disconnected. This was not normal behavior for previous generation MacBook Pros. I appreciate the recommendation to run with turbo boost off (I have been using Turbo Switcher Pro) and to tweak the fan speed profile to resemble previous temp/fan speed profiles. These, however are all short-term solutions, or they should be, since this behavior can't be as Apple has designed the machine to operate. How do I know this? Because again, I didn't witness this behavior for any other MacBook Pro I have owned since 2006, except when there were identified issues that were resolved through software updates or hardware swaps. This isn't a "don't hold it that way" issue, like what was experienced with the iPhone 4 antenna. I would be happy to use my MacBook Pro in a way that would cause it to operate silently as it does without an external monitor connected, or in clamshell mode with a monitor attached. You can't ask users to not use an external monitor. If you would please try a test with the lid open and an external 4K monitor attached, I would appreciate your noting the results. Again thank you for the work and time you put into your videos.

[@gjr1974]

David Cristofaro Agreed! I was just thinking about how my 2013 MBP behaves perfectly as expected when connected to a monitor, with no fan noise at all. Why can’t Apple get it right in 2020?

[@sparkplug964]

Just got my 16" MacBook Pro and I have not had this problem, look software more then hardware problem.

[@NCSTalkid]

sparkplug964 true. Software problem more likely

[@MrOmer123]

I got my mbp last Wednesday and no fan noise for me too, the only time is when i get to my windows bootcamp but only in the start. And when i playing games but the sound not bad at all... actually better then my asus gl753ve laptop (asus so loud!!)

[@cheyespejo1112]

So you’re not seeing this issue when connected to an external monitor?

[@kdekorte]

@@cheyespejo1112 I'm not, I have the 16" 2.3GHz + 5500M 8GB and the 5K external display and the machine is dead quiet until I start playing some games.

[@alejandrofanjul]

@@kdekorte quite strange.. I have my new 16" 2.3Ghz + 5500M 8Gb connected to HP FHD display and it's noisy as soon as I do some tasks...

[@wrangler10]

Easy fix for Apple ..they must ditch intel for amd ryzen for the future MacBooks

[@Festaurin]

Ppl already noticed drivers in bootcamp for new gen mobile ryzen cpu, so its probably what will happen.

[@snake_3608]

They need to use ARM processors considering how successful they made their iOS cpus and GPUs

[@snake_3608]

Cameron Bosch that’s why Apple has a lot of designing to do

[@NCSTalkid]

No tb3 anymore then

[@N3orion]

@@NCSTalkid I think Intel just certified ryzen mobos for TB3 or have at least started certification approvals.

[@MP-cd2bb]

I follow a few tech KZbinrs that I really admire, yet few are those that deliver such great content as consistently as you do. You guys are awesome!! 🤙

[@nonenobody5272]

I’ve been loving my MacBook Pro 16 so far. However, I have been underwhelmed by the battery life and fan noise.

[@lenso010]

steve jobs would fire that mediocre engineer right in front of others

[@ntompson000]

As a MBP16" owner, I was pretty shocked by the fan noise. Having upgraded from a MBP15" late 2013, the difference is very noticeable. Thanks so much for the video - your deep analysis is valuable. Having said that, I'm not comfortable with the idea that these machines are working correctly. While the suggestions you make will "work around" the issue, I think perhaps there is a little mixing of cause and effect. Two things really stand out: plugging in an external display causes the dGPU to jump from 5 W to 20 W power consumption... when doing absolutely nothing. That 20 W gobbles up most of the thermal headroom, meaning that even the slightest bit of effort by the CPU causes excessive heating (and consequently fan noise). I can't think of a good reason why the minimum power consumption of the dGPU should jump so dramatically - this seems like a cause to me. Secondly, the "as designed" behaviour, which means high temperatures and fast running fans, can't be good for product longevity. I've never had a Mac that runs so hot or fans so fast. Both of these things are the enemy of long electronic lifetime. So I'm really struggling with the idea that Apple intended for these new MBPs to behave like this "out of the box", particularly when it is in such stark contrast to pretty much every MBP that came before.

[@Burps___]

That is so well said, Nick. Agree, agree. And, adding 3rd party apps to either throttle down performance or to maintain expected performance with less fan speed are not only unreasonable for a brand new $3000+ machine, but the workarounds will likely reduce long term hardware health and possibly limit warranty coverage.

[@fassaklaq3425]

Of course. Pay a premium for an i9, then sabotage its performance by preventing it to run at full speed. This way it won't overheat. Great, just great.

[@ivancosmin6556]

I think is more about to run at full speed when is needed. If you just browsing the web or youtube, office, you don't really need that power and by lower the power you will get more battery and less noise

[@bite-my-shinny-metal-ass]

@@ivancosmin6556 Just connect it to an external monitor that’s not native resolution (for example connect to an hdmi 1080p) and then your expensive machine becomes worse than the cheapest 400 dollars laptop. Just wait for 3-4 minutes just browsing basic web and check cpu frequency on intel power gadget. Apple should get a mass lawsuit

[@5olano]

ATTENTION - PSA 5:14 Suggesting to alter the fan speed to decrease noise but increase heat as a "tip" *without* mentioning that more heat on your hardware WILL FOR SURE reduce its lifespan is just negligent to all your viewers!

[@husseinaliabdulzahraal-dul1575]

You are definitely correct there my friend, but for me I think that goes without saying. But again he needed to state that for the not few people who don't know.

[@zpzp96]

I always used my 2019 16 inch Macbook Pro with an i9 as a desktop replacement on my desk with an monitor. After getting a Razer Blade that acts as a desktop now, I am using y MBP 16 inch in the living room and noticed battery life was like 4 hours max with light tasks. Just noticed I turned my dedicated graphics on all the time for slightly smoother animation. I turned that off, installed turbo boost switcher and turned off turbo boost, turned off spotlight indexing, now my battery with battery health of 79% literally lasts more than 10 hours of light tasks. because I always had my dedicated graphics on in my whole life I never experienced this long of a battery life until now. I honestly don't notice that much of a difference anyway with the animation smoothness other than application folder opening animation and I don't notice ANY performance difference with the turbo boost off. my fans are dead silent and it is always cold now. I was at one point not happy that I went with an i9 instead of an i7 model because of power consumption issues, but with turbo boost off, I am glad I went with 8 core CPU so it can handle things without the turbo boost.

[@Catsincages]

You'd be amazed how many long time MacBook users I have met who don't even know there are fans in their machines at all.🤣🤣

[@PvtAnonymous]

Catsincages well, if we‘re talking 12“ MacBook, there is literally no fan in there 🤪

[@grahamcrocker4898]

You know I really admire the engineering of the old macbooks. I had the 2015 13 inch macbook and I rarely heard the fans, and it barely ran hot. So yeah weighing up returning or not and waiting for the Arm cpus

[@tha_oz]

alot of people are just casual users that don't know anything about tech

[@jdre1976]

It's even better when your work gives you a 2019 16inch with 64gigs and you can't even conduct a conference call on Teams without it over heating and shutting down. I can't believe Apple released this pile of crap without testing them for this. I'm honestly done with Mac now for my personal computers.

[@T07N]

Seriously, after spending 3-4k on a 16" mbp, I shouldn't have to buy all this other software to make it run proper. WTF apple.

[@arsenymakarov6961]

use free software then. Macs Fan Control wouldn't let you configure a profile with such precision as the dude shows in the video, but it will let you override the default. I use it on an older MBP to make it speed up fans sooner than the default setting (aimed to be silent) would, to try to keep that old garbage at least at 75°C.

[@aquaphoenixx]

This is such an amazing video! Your efforts are much appreciated! Apple should pay you!

[@MaxTechOfficial]

@@Djk0t You can totally return it if you want to, but its an amazing laptop just a few things that could limit it or use our fixes. Apple is definitely not paying us and a lot of the links are not affiliate either (some are).

[@aquaphoenixx]

@@MaxTechOfficial I live in Bulgaria and unfortunately can not use the affiliate links for Apple hardware. However, if you and/or Vadim are ever in my country I would gladly buy you a drink! You have helped me a lot with your extensive information and tests! Thanks!

[@whiteflyingmonkey]

No apple should not pay him. He should stop making recommendations like this because his recommendations will overheat the chip over time and damage both chip and motherboard. This advice is incredibly irresponsible.

[@marktan1324]

I have found the same problem with my 16" when I connected to an external monitor via the caldigit TB3 dock. Once I disconnected the display cable from the dock, the fan noise was reduced significantly. Thanks for reconfirming my suspicion and providing a work-around to the problem.

[@sandman3881]

What work around... The first app he recommends, doesn't even allow you to switch to integrated graphics if the external display is connected..... Fucking hell.. Its even in the idiots video.. and he just carries on talking.

[@flor.7797]

@@sandman3881 generic content quick youtube algo $$$$

[@bite-my-shinny-metal-ass]

No workaround. CPU throttles from 4Ghz to 1Ghz. A very expensive paperweight

[@jordansarkisian]

I would really appreciate if Apple had some power options like Windows, I can even run some of my games cool and dead silent under bootcamp which is crazy to me for a laptop this thin. It would also allow a lot of people to extend their battery life quite a bit when they aren't doing things like video editing. If I'm just typing stuff I don't need 8 cores or turbo boost, just lemme crank everything down and get like 15 hours of battery life at that point. An option to run externals with integrated would be cool too, I know they can handle it my old Iris Pro model did just fine, just gotta start putting a decent option back in the MBPs for it is all. Not sure what they're capable of now but they're definitely not using the Iris Pro integrated graphics from before. Or just gimme an ARM based MBP:)

[@rachelchen5939]

Would you mind sharing your fan profile?

[@sharpillusion900]

Programmer here and Mac crashes almost daily with every os update until today. Reinstalled multiple times. The truth is that there are issues with the hardware. Mostly due to their supplier’s fault. The statement saying this problem is normal for MacBook Pro 16 is insulting to the consumers, it’s like saying a broken piece of crap is normal and we should just accept it.

[@Sinevibes]

Got the higher-tier base model here, no fan speed increase when connected to LG 4K TV. Fans stay at their base 1800 rpm speed.

[@Burps___]

Thanks for commenting. I’m in the market for 16 McBP. What do you mean please by “higher tier base model”? Are you referring to the $2799 package? Thank you.

[@Sinevibes]

Cool One yes it’s the base $2800 configuration, with i9, 1 TB SSD and 5500M

[@bite-my-shinny-metal-ass]

Try connecting it to a 1080p display instead and watch the fun begin (no pun intended)

[@lucaMMXI]

Thank you for the video! However, if the solution for fan noise is to dumb down the processor and/or GPU then it defeats the purpose of having a 6-core or 8-core altogether! One should then simply stick to a dual core Macbook Air.

[@endidjeh]

Does it mean when the Macbook pro adapts 10nm processors it will have less than 99w with better performance and less heat?

[@MaxTechOfficial]

When intel offers it yes.

[@vishal_trivedi]

Max Tech and if/when intel offers it, those that have already bought current, MBP16” how would they get the upgrade? Is it a chip you can have installed or you gotta buy an entire new machine that carries it?

[@GiggleNuggetsZone]

This actually helped me fix my battery problem, the gfx status helped me diagnose the problem. It was an application keeping the amd graphic card running in the background. Kudos to this video.

[@BeatusZenyr]

Maaaan I thought I was stupid when I couldn't pin down the reason my MBP 16inch 2019 was getting so toasty. This video cleared it 100%. glad I had subscribed your channel

[@iburakiim]

My 16 inch is actually very quiet , fans almost never go on, only when it reaches temperatures above 90 degrees Celsius. Is this normal?

[@CliffLawrence7]

I feel the same. This video seems like is addressing the use with an external monitor. I don't use one and have had no issues with my 16"

[@harrym8556]

What about the notorious screen ghosting? What about the random reboot problems? Why aren't you talking about that?

[@hiroprotagonitis]

dang are those regular problems with the new 16"?

[@harrym8556]

@@hiroprotagonitis I am typing this from a new Macbook 16", and yes. Search macrumors or apple forums and you will find plenty of complaints.

[@jayseb]

Knowledge is power. Thank you so much for making such a great video. Just traded for the MBP 16 i9 and that's the first thing I noticed... the fans! As a core LPX user this was a concern, especially when recording. So instead of freaking out, searched around and fell on your video. My music production is back normal for a few dollars well spent. Thank god people like you exist. Cheers.

[@TheStudioFreq]

Same situation for me and your solution is making it possible to still use my new 16" mbp for music production. Thanks! Alex J.

[@sypen1]

It’s not the cpu that’s the issue. It’s the bloody GPU when you connect it to an external display and if you reduce the fan noise you are going to fry your machine. I had this plugged into my XDR watching 4k KZbin and the gpu was sooo hot the screens started to flicker. If you reduce this fan speed your machine is going to fry. When I use my 13 inch integrated gpu I don’t get this insane issue. Tinkering with the cpu isn’t going to do anything it’s hardly doing anything when watching videos. I warn you guys from lowering your fan speeds and watching videos on a external display. You can tell it’s the GPU because all of the heat is on the right side of the chassis when you feel it, which is the location of the GPU.

[@imvalentin]

I'm on a similar setup but with a Macbook Pro 2017 and 1440p display. There's not a single day where i don't use the Activity Monitor to shut down apps and check the reasons behind the fan extreme acceleration. Terrible experience all around. Impossible to play media content or have any write/read activity on hdd (dropbox/icloud etc) without hearing the fans blasting at crazy speeds. Tried Macs Fan Control (hangs the entire OS), tried disabling Turbo Booster. Makes me want buy an Ipad Pro, but then bye bye decent mouse/external display support

[@krunge]

So what would you recommend doing instead?

[@sypen1]

Kenneth Runge I’m gonna buy a Mac Pro but until they switch to AMD. Apparently code in new OS X that points to it.

[@sypen1]

Kenneth Runge is you don’t need to use this with an external display it is a great machine. Everything goes to shit if you are using it with an external display

[@krunge]

@@sypen1 I already have the 16" and using it with an external display but the fan problem is mostly occuring when I first boot into Mac OS and then if I do stuff in Photoshop. But right now trying the fan control setup, just worried what it will do in the long run.

[@wesleymorton2995]

The fact I see so many KZbin videos claiming to fix overheating due to a faulty GPU processor when plugging into external monitors or running graphics heavy programs like video games or editing is a HUGE PROBLEM. I bought a brand new macbook pro 2 days ago and came here due to the issues. Will be returning this machine.

[@asdf51501]

16" MBP here, no issues at all.

[@serdar.d]

Interesting, maybe it is because of a Program. I can't even touch my mbp because it's too hot

[@shashanks480]

Serdar Degirmenci same here....any solution?

[@Visualization1]

One thing I noticed, is that after leaving the MacBook 16 inch on for one night, the fans stopped spinning as loud as in the beginning. And yes, it was connected to an external monitor. it's now running fine without to much noise. Could it be that it is doing stuff when its first setup?

[@broncotailswing9174]

Visualization1 Yes it does. Synchronizing your local files with icloud.

[@XxMsrSzprzxX]

This needs to be stated more often. Apple's 2016 redesign was on the promise of their CPU partner delivering much cooler processors. Intel did them over, hard. Everyone thinks Apple just chose to make things super thin for the same TDP processors, which is false. They committed to a design with all the complication that entails such as supply chain things and factory tooling, they couldn't go back.

[@nikolaosunikgiannulidis8800]

been using and spreading the gfxcard trick for almost 10 years (did use it on my 2011 17" up until now to my 16") and it works whenever you have no external monitor connected

[@Terieni-q7c]

This is probably the most helpful and insightful video on MacBook I have ever watched on youtube.

[@HowISeeThat]

the turbo boost app and recent upgrade to big sur 11.5.2 definitely helpd with the heat, I have a pro mac 2019, 6 core i7 and it used to stay around 75-80 C all the time, with the app the temp now stays at 50 and I can easily use it on my lap, thanks mate!

[@jakedfountain1]

Max, thanks for the very helpful tips. I purchased all of these apps and they run great! Do you have some personal setting for TG Pro that you can point me to or recommend for my maxed out 16 inch? Thanks

[@gjr1974]

How does this solve the issue of the dGPU going up to 20w and making the fans go crazy when connecting an external monitor? If you override and slow the fans down you’re going to end up with a fried Mac. Not a Big Mac and fries, just a fried Mac.

[@TanoBrock]

Very helpful video! Thank you! Question: what is a safe temperature for the CPU's to be sitting at? Is the fan profile you show briefly at 4:42 a good way to set it up? I want to reduce fan noise (I'm a producer/mix engineer), but not if it's going to damage my new laptop. What rules would you suggest I add to set up a safe fan profile?

[@lenso010]

I love my 2012 macbook pro with its usb and sd port. I hope it never dies.

[@sutikareoluwagbenga1272]

If you have the technical capability to figure this out, I'm sure Apple has been aware of this and should bare the responsibility of addressing these issues. Especially with the terribly expensive price tag, there should be no reason for a customer to purchase patches and waste personal time and effort for this. After being a loyal Apple customer for many years, I cancelled my order for the MBP after researching and realizing that these mentioned flaws were not the only issues. Apple has to do better if they expect to continue selling their product.

[@luisflores_762]

Watching this on my 2015 15” 💻

[@yusufkoylu1870]

With a dGPU or the base model 15" with integrated graphics ? Do you use external monitors ? Does it produce a lot of noise and heat ? Asking cause I'm thinking of buying one now

[@sandevvv]

Yusuf Kyl When using only an external monitor, idle temp is around 48-50°C. When using dual monitor (external+MB display), the idle temp is around 65-70° (dGPU model).

[@barriemoorcroft534]

Think I will wait for the upgrade in June with 10nm processors, and an AMD 5600m, and better fan performance. They should have switch to 'quiet mode' as an option, with 4 cores only and fixed to base clock. Any modern computer with 50% power is enough 90% of the time.

[@WarriorsPhoto]

Thank you for the recommendation apps. That was the best part of this video. (:

[@PanicLuNaTiC]

Max, i think there is something overheating in these machines, besides cpu or gpu. My experience with my 15 inch macbook from 2018 is kinda similar. For example, when i'm working in Lightroom and using external 1440p monitor, my cpu speed decrease below base clock, but when i'm exporting without external monitor is fine. Mac doesn't draw much power and the temperatures are below 90c, but the fans are on high rpm. My other experience is when i'm playing Forza Horizon 4 via bootcamp, cpu throttles below base clock immediately when i'm entering the game. While fans are spinning at max speed i think, cpu and gpu are staying in the 80c region. So, cpu and gpu have room for better performance but fans are spinning like crazy and the power draw is not high. This tells me that something else throttles. Having custom curve for fans i think is not recommended. Better let the mac do his thing.

[@calumip3422]

Can you share your settings for TG Pro? Thank you so much and the tips are really useful!

[@Theocidestudios]

he wrote down on the app through the video, but I would like to see something more like an statement

[@HtS643KyS6555GxQ3edA]

I just received mine today. The reviewers aren’t kidding. The speakers sound amazing.

[@Analogsoup]

What about the fan noise?

[@HtS643KyS6555GxQ3edA]

Rich 101 I was using it at work where there is AC noise and people were chatting. It was louder than the 2018 15 inch i9 but it was low key enough to not draw attention from my neighbors. I had it connected to an external ASUS 4K monitor and the external display didn’t trigger the fan. BitDefender BDLDaemon triggered the fan. Also Win10 in Parallels Desktop while installing Windows Updates triggered the fan.

[@HtS643KyS6555GxQ3edA]

Rich 101 I’ll record the dB at 100% CPU usage and put it here

[@HtS643KyS6555GxQ3edA]

Rich 101 53 dB at 4.3-4.5 GHz

[@Analogsoup]

Thanks for the info ..here’s how loud mine is getting running Logic Pro X “Very light cpu load and the fans are screaming”. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n4LFkoR7qd-Yb5Y

[@alexeiz]

Return it. For freaking $3K it should just work.

[@chathulasampath3257]

Do u have any idea about 16inch macbook pro freezing issue? Many people are talking about that.

[@fobabett1]

Chathula Sampath it May be because of the overheating

[@justincosplay]

Game changer. This was main issue with my mbp

[@tanyam2701]

Disabling Turbo boost alone saved me! Thank you. Toggling the fans is a nice bonus.

[@marloyt7786]

Hopefully, the next couple of MacBooks will be using Apple's own CPUs.

[@goncaloveiga]

AMD's 7 nm I think.

[@marloyt7786]

@@goncaloveiga I heard that Apple would be using their ARM processors in the near future.

[@goncaloveiga]

@@marloyt7786 It's quite possible. I wonder if until they have the technology ready they'd go with AMD.

[@marloyt7786]

@@goncaloveiga They aready have ARM processors in their iPhones, it's just a matter of time before they could put it in their MacBooks.

[@goncaloveiga]

MarloYT do they have a 64 bit architecture? If so that’d be a game changer. If it’s not 64 bit, it would make it a bit challenging.

[@andrecromberlin]

Hard to believe this issue still persists. I got a 15 inch MBP retina a couple years ago and the fans drove me nuts. I somehow discovered Turbo boost switcher and it completely solved the issue, I love my MBP since then until today. It's indeed incredible that the richest, most successful company in the world doesn't fix such a basic issue that a freeware programmer easily solved.

[@javierlnavarrete_digital]

Is there anybody experiencing some random laggy interface (dragging a window it's totally noticeable) and mouse and/or wacom movement for short amounts of time ? And then back at normal. And then later... again... I guess it's Catalina's fault with several performance bugs yet.... :-|

[@sanketsawantsnk]

Catalina has got lots of bugs!! My MBP16 crashed 3 times consecutively while rendering videos.

[@javierlnavarrete_digital]

@@sanketsawantsnk I hope Apple has been working hard for fixing a LOT of this bugs in the next Mac OS Catalina update. I'll be very very disappointed if not

[@sanketsawantsnk]

@@javierlnavarrete_digital Yes. As we cannot downgrade MBP16 to Mojave, we've got no choice left than to use Catalina.

[@axn2021]

Apple should send Job's keynote video when Apple switched from PowerPC to Intel to the current Intel people, just as a reminder. Apple chose Intel over PowerPC due to performance per watt. I'm guessing it would be time for another "transition" in the near future.

[@goncaloveiga]

Great video Max! And I really enjoyed the software solutions. Your best video!

[@sudiptodolui1059]

I was having overheating issue with 16 inch Macbook pro with Apple 27 inch monitor. Disabling turbo boost with turbo boost switcher solved the problem. Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Now life and my macbook pro are cool again :-)

[@VoraciousAvgeek]

I have a friend who bought a macbook pro and he went "so how do I play vr on this thing?" Worst thing, he was serious. Not joking. That was the biggest facepalm of my life

[@CodedGames]

You actually can play some VR games on this using Oculus Link on a Quest since that only requires a USB port. For example I play Beat Saber on a older iMac.

[@CodedGames]

Add a RTX 2080 or something with an eGPU and you’d be able to play basically anything

[@VoraciousAvgeek]

@@CodedGames No thanks I'll stick to my HTC Vive and a custom built PC. Interesting information though, I never knew that!

[@-Name-here-]

@FlightFilms I was thinking of getting an htc vive but I got the rift s cause it was cheaper and now htc came out with crap soo xD

[@kahzhoylow4352]

Coded Games And. Then he will proceed to complain about fan noise.

[@alexanderosmichenko8789]

What about graphic switch glitch? still not fixed! even on $4500 version with top graphic card!

[@LordBoard001]

Haha, first time I see my own Reddit post on a youtube video! 😅 Great recommendations on how to counteract the „issues“!

[@nathanjames4242]

I don't care about the louder fans or the battery life issue. The issue I have is that the Power Adapter can't even keep to the power required by the computer when running heavy tasks like rendering video. The computer will actually stop charging and start draining the battery with the adapter still plugged in! Thats a bad deal for those of us using pro level apps.

[@foxyman1010]

awesome man.. thank you for this.. I was going nuts trying to explain this to everyone in the MacBook Pro subreddit. Ill just link this now. Thank you!

[@marcoarellano1065]

I upgraded from a 2015 MacBook Air 13 inch to a 2019 MacBook Pro 13 Inch and with my new MacBook if I start using pages to write essay the fans turn on.

[@interproservice]

Return it, otherwise they will never learn...

[@eureka410]

that will not affect them the only way is to stop buying

[@keithwhisman]

Well I use Mac’s Fan Control and have the fan curve set to 100’F to a max temp of 150’F. So 100% fan speed at 150’F and all is good.

[@XxMsrSzprzxX]

Also, super informative video. Thank you for making this.

[@agrippa1994]

I have connected three external monitors and the fan noise isn't annoying at all. But what's really annoying to me is the popping audio issue, that still has not been fixed yet.

[@pkerry12]

this is a very helpfull video :D good job :) on behalf of all macbook pro users. Thank you.

[@sikorskyyy8377]

2:48 What are these apps in top right corner 1st one - showing temp and fan speed, 2nd one - showing gpu and cpu usage 10:17 And this one showing Watt usage

[@_Stetsi]

iStat Menus

[@RaphyJmusic]

This is awesome. I was experiencing the same issue of fan noise when connected to an external monitor. I actually thought it would be impossible to fix lol cause I was used to my 2017 macbook being super loud and overheating at times too. Glad I can try this out soon 👌

[@MaxTechOfficial]

👌👍 glad to help!

[@burneraccount7747]

@@MaxTechOfficial TG Pro under your settings caused my comp to overheat. I got major artifacting and a kernel freakout. Kernel Task ended up using 1000%. The fix was literally just to unplug the monitor. This overheating and needless jump of the dgpu to consume 20w instead of the 5w thats needed is straight up a defect. When channels like yours don't acknowledge these issues, Apple continues not to make concerted efforts to fix clear problems. It always takes a class action for Apple to do anything.

[@harrym8556]

@@MaxTechOfficial You did not 'help'. You covered up the real issue. The AMD 5300 and 5500 GPUs are defective. Intel has nothing to do with this, Apple and AMD do. Your TG Pro settings cause overheating btw. It's exactly like @burner account said it. Please stop misleading consumers. We need Apple to acknowledge this issue and fix it. The fact that no youtuber acknowledges these serious defects points to an extremely corrupt youtuber industry. But at least you are the only youtuber partially acknowledging the issue, so kudos for that.

[@harrym8556]

@@burneraccount7747 EXACTLY

[@anso093]

I don't understand why people are complaining on this fan noise. Just adjust the fan speed by using 3rd party application. This is similar with the old MBP from 2008 , just adjust the fan. It's simple

[@mr2mato]

Apple should switch to AMD from Intel for their CPUs like before when they switched from Nvidia To AMD GPU.

[@emmanuelbarretodecarvalho6729]

Friend, congratulations on the video. Well after 1 year, I would like to know what has changed to help lower the temperature of the MACBOOK PRO 16 "2019 I7 6C. It still scares me that a computer reaches 100c ... something new. I'm using Big Sur. Thanks

[@perfectplays2300]

Why am I watching this I don’t even have a MacBook 😂

[@Ellexis]

For myself, I’m seriously considering buying a fully loaded 16” MacBook Pro, so I chalk it up as research.

[@samanshabi1990]

😂😂😂

[@lgmarquez5469]

So...is the 2019 MacBook Air good?😅 Cause I just got one for college and it’s also my first Apple laptop.😬

[@Darkshadowguy]

2019 is okay, not my favorite option but it’s not hot garbage like a 2017 and prior air

[@lgmarquez5469]

Darkshadowguy Well It’s just for college plus I’m not like a computer science major or in a major where I’m going to need that extra horsepower ya know? I’m a business major really only need it to write essays and spreadsheets.

[@furatceylan8]

thanks for the video! i have the new mbp 16" with 8 cores and 5500m with 8gb ram. i indeed noticed that it runs hot when connected to my 4k external display, but i didn´t hear any fan noise. ever. either i´m one of the lucky ones or i haven´t yet maxed out cpu yet ;-) either way, thanks for the heads up, i will certainly try those apps if and when it happens to me.

[@MaMuang]

I have the same issue, mine get pretty hot when connected to my 4k monitor.

[@ajrc1987]

Hello Max, I wonder why anyone hasn't mentioned anything about the screen issue on this MacBook 16 yet. There are many people complaining about this. I thought I got a defective unit but apparently Apple has used a slower panel on this MacBook. The ghosting is so noticeable that even coming from an old retina from 2013, I noticed it just when I started it up. I immediately searched on google and I found that everyone is affected by this, some people don't notice though. Im not hoping for a software fix as this seems to be hardware related but now I don't know what to do with my recent purchased MacBook. Have you notice that in your model? You can test it but dragging your system preference window and moving it making circles. It's so annoying.

[@ajrc1987]

0 0 Have you experienced that as well? Thanks

[@Swampy24945]

This is the definition of a first world problem: getting mad and returning a perfectly fine Macbook Pro because the fans are too loud :( I’d be happy to just have a Macbook Pro in the first place!!

[@gt-kc]

This answered my question of my fans running loud all the time! Apple should seriously have a link to your channel. When you call Apple most of the time they can't answer these questions and put you through a series of departments or bring back to store. When in doubt, just look up Max's channel! 👍🏾

[@Edgar-gn8zq]

I tought this mac is perfect!

[@beprodbenin3911]

I bought 24 16'' macbook pro in january 2020, 7 in a canadian Apple store and 17 in two different apple stores in France. Have the same issue with 15 of them(won' t charge and turn on) . My clients are very furious. Tried to repair one and the issue was about batterie

[@TheCdM1981]

I haven’t had a fan issue once that feels or sounds abnormal . Sounds like people are crying about nothing like usual.

[@JustSimplyBrandon]

If only those people returning their MacBook Pro were as smart as you. That’s why I subscribed to you. I always do my homework before making big purchasing decisions.

[@tmorterlaing]

This isnt a fix. It's a software workaround and it shouldn't be necessary. Apple just need to, you know, stop being crap and actually test their hardware in a variety of use cases. Sorry but if the answer is ever 'the user can download a thing to fix a thing' rather than 'apple released and update immediately' then that's ridiculous. MBPs have been absolutely plagued with issues for years now, and it isn't good enough. I'm on my 2nd 16" because of popping sounds in the first one. It's just stuff that should NOT happen at this price point.

[@MattiaRighetti]

This issue is NOT present when you do basic tasks in clamshell mode. The problem is there when you use both internal and external monitor at the same time.

[@jslawsby_W5GI]

Mattia Righetti I’ve had the problem in clamshell mode using only chrome and word

[@MattiaRighetti]

@@jslawsby_W5GI Chrome is the problem I guess, sometimes it consumes a lot of resources even with just the internal display

[@roryblackmore2328]

I have never heard of “pros” complain about better and more proactive cooling. ☠️

Rory Blackmore I’m a prosumer who uses my MacBook or just watch Netflix but I’m also a software engineer and I would HATE if the fans blow constantly while I work or watch Netflix. I run Xcode on it so yes it does get really hot

[@JeremyLawrence-imajez]

They are complaining about irritating noise and excessive heat for no reason. Not better cooling. Anyone who works with music or video editing will not want a noisy computer, particularly when it isn't doing anything. Apple agreed there was an issue with mine when it got returned.

[@DaveRegan]

Thanks for the video. This really helps make the MBP 16 run smooth. The one issue I ran into is that battery temperature seems to be a bottleneck too. I set up my fan profile to what you had in the video and noticed that I would get massive CPU throttling after running for a time. I realized that the Macbook's internal temperature controls don't like the battery getting much over 35C so I added three speeds to the fan profile using the battery sensor: 10% at 33C, 15% at 35C and 30% at 37C. This seemed to prevent the throttling though I'm guessing it could be tweaked a bit more.

[@leapo5751]

Answer: AMD

[@wladbond1087]

did you never notice a irregular light coming from the top of the right side of your display when you put a total black screen on full brightness?

[@carlo6870]

Nah it's Apple's fault. This could've been fixed with a software update.

[@gjr1974]

Agreed. Ultimately the final product is Apple's, not Intel's. It was Apple's responsibility to make the fans behave properly to mask Intel's faults. Now we have to download several third party apps until Apple hopefully fixes their software.

[@PJo336]

The problem isnt noise for me, it's that it runs my battery down WHILE PLUGGED IN. This is a very fatal flaw, hope this turbo boost switcher will help

[@PJo336]

Year update: Turbo boost pro switcher is terrific, i recommend paying for it if you have this computer. Fixes battery drain while plugged into 1 monitor. However the computer horribly lags if you use 2 monitors, so I'm basically stuck on 1. Really wish tech reviewers pointed out flaws like this instead of praising apple nonstop for another sub par machine

[@tb6265]

yes i think it is a big deal...because i have a macbook pro 2013, fan noise was never a problem. so 2 weeks ago i got the MB pro 16 with i7. I use it for logic & i have to say. The fan noise drive’s me crazy. a pro machine should run like a pro but for me it doesn’t. this machine is getting so hot all the time.. i don’t wanna install any apps for manage the fan. it’s soooo anoying. i gave it back.... for that price it should be silent or not sooo loud & run better. my older macbook is not so powerfull but it is not anoying to use it... apple please change the cpu’s... too hot, tooo loud, sound popping is really anoying as well when i use logic... it feels bit like an old machine & i can see no improvements compared to my old 2013 machine 🤷‍♂️

[@christopherwalker4256]

Could you share the settings you actually used for TG Pro?

[@stefanleon1551]

check @4:43

[@robertmzs]

I haven’t had any issues with my new 16 in MacBook Pro but we shouldn’t have to download a program to modify settings. This should be fixed by Apple through a software update at the least.

[@seeliger1992]

I bought one in January aswell, but I didn't have problems with noise or heat but with the Display. The Ghosting on the 16" Display is so annoying. Try the ufo benchmark test. Hopefully we will see 90hz+ with better response times in future revisions of the macbooks. gave me headaches for days, so i returned it.