How to Get Multiculturalism EASY in Victoria 3! (and Other IG Leader Tricks)

[@sotiriosdimitriadis9442]

I passed Multiculturalism as the Netherlands the other day. My newly enfranchised Indonesian subjects empowered the Rural Folk and launched a revolution to establish a Dutch Ethnostate.

[@generalistgaming]

Much Orange

[@katelundberg2029]

I feel like there should be some mechanic to make it so culture and religious groups don't fight against their own rights. I know that that isn't exactly ahistorical, since oftentimes people od marginalized groups end up fighting with their opressors for whatever reason, but for fucks sake can't the majority of the people I'm opressing just try to get themselves rights so I can accept them instead of trying to lose even more rights?

[@arcticwulf5796]

​@@katelundberg2029people voting for laws that take away their rights and freedoms? In the real world? Unheard of 😂 Public Health care, that's a way to Communism! Rocking the boat with women's rights while slavery is still a thing, nonsense! Local Indians working in the army for great Brittain to take over local rulers in hopes of stability and order, only practical.

[@ferretman6790]

Sounds accurate

[@oldetobie2568]

The Russian prince instantly going from a teen boy to a grown ass man with a giant mustache is amazing

[@bumchod2511]

A lot can happen in a single day in the 1800s

[@iamaim2847]

In soviet Russia, the beard groves a man.

[@jackhemsworth1]

As someone without Voice of the People, it feels borderline game-breaking. I know Paradox is famous for locking key game mechanics behind DLC but this one feels pretty extreme with how incredibly strong granting leadership and abdicating can be.

[@generalistgaming]

I haven't technically played w/o VotP, but I believe you can utilize the general and exile method even w/o it, so you'd just have to use that for everything. Forbidden ideologies not allowed tho

[@jackhemsworth1]

@@generalistgaming Exactly. Unfortunately this disproportionally affects the start of campaigns when generals and admirals can't roll certain ideologies. So far, the only start I've found where you can utilize the 'general and exile' method at the start of the game to great benefit is Wallachia as their monarch is an abolitionist landowner even though their IG ideology starts with pro-slavery.

[@generalistgaming]

No I mean that you can check the generals at start, try to find, say, a Jingoist landowner, and then recruit that general in a way that's similar to the Humanitarian example - not like the Russia example specifically. It does make it so you can't abuse the Moderate into anything trick though. I also think the feature locking is much more minimal than they did w/ say, Eu4@@jackhemsworth1

[@jackhemsworth1]

@@generalistgaming Yes you can recruit a Jingoist or Democrat landowner general if say you rolled an Authoritarian or Pacifist at the start which can be a little helpful. But not being able to grant leadership to a market liberal agitator via corn laws, abusing an exiled moderate, or following the Russian abdication example makes getting off serfdom/traditionalism a struggle. I agree that it's not as bad as EU4. Sorry for the rant lol, its just frustrating seeing such an easy solution with VotP.

[@scorpioneldar]

​@@jackhemsworth1 personally the general trick is the only one I use even with Votp and I never have any problems. so many nations can't take exiles in at game start and once your about 30 ish years into the game the trick is meaningless anyway. you already have the laws that let you empower the IG's to get the laws naturally. (once the nobles are broken you can do pretty much whatever. and the general trick is all you need to break your nobility.) like you use this trick a lot to get cultural exclusion/Multiculturalism. but if you start with national supremacy (And most do) you can't invite exiles anyway and once you have cultural exlusion. you don't need the trick anymore. same if you have closed borders. same if the exile isn't popular enough. there are plenty of things that can block you from using VOTP at all. and most nations have at least one. and ussually by the time you solve that thing. what you needed a exile for is already done. so exiling your moderate often means you can't bring them back even if they were the only character you ever could have brought back. its a really small thing. arguably an exploit. not a main mechanic of the game.

[@LockedPOCKET]

Worth noting the other day i was running brazil and couldn’t get my corn laws guy to stop dying, but i found the solution was to not repeal the export prioritisation until i had passed LF/FT

[@generalistgaming]

Interesting - I'll have to test that

[@marcgubeli5984]

Do we ned a special dlc or mod in order to possibly get the corn laws?

[@MrScoot27]

I'm fairly certain it's entirely random. I've had a long run where the market liberal stayed in power for like 40 years with me having turned export prioritisation off as soon as he got in power, and just now, trying to test some of these mechanics, I've had my market liberal retire (he was 38!!) after about 6 months in charge, when I didn't even get the chance to pass a single law and had the Corn Laws entry still active.

[@generalistgaming]

@macgubeli5984 you do not

[@HenriqueRJchiki]

That's not true at all, the market liberal retiring after becoming leader is 100% random, doesn't matter if corn laws is active or not

[@muse5722]

The clip around aleksandr romanov could be super hilarious out of context. "We wanna use him, we want to use this boy but unfortunately he's a boy and using boys is not allowed" lmao

[@siritio3553]

I learned more from this video than from playing the game for 300 hours. Thanks a lot man. The Russia abdicate strat was patched on 1.7, but I never thought about manipulating IGs by exiling leaders or promoting generals.

[@dmitrygavr6876]

As for Corn laws, one of the other means to trigger it is changing all of your farms' PMs to alcohol or fruit, basically off of focused wheat. Also, building food industries and ranches, as well as mobilizing your armies goes along way to increase grain consumption. It is possible to do Corn laws even on Russia (not on Qing of course) by combining all of these methods. I think you did show it off on streams, but spared time here. Also, marked liberal landowner allows for abolishing serfdom itself if you have to do it first.

[@oldetobie2568]

Also Generalist, if you could do a guide on manipulating interest groups that would be awesome. I don’t know how you manage to get all the useful ones so powerful.

[@ImperativeGames]

He did a few tutorials on that. Laws and generals are obvious but there are 3 tricks. Buy (trade) goods produced in rural buildings (like grain), build buildins that employ Capitalists/Academics/Machinists/whoever you want. Make some goods less profitable by overbuilding. Wealth gives clout. Finally, high SoL makes pops that support stuff like Trade Unions politically active.

[@generalistgaming]

I might try and figure out how to do this but honestly its a TON of little things so it's really hard to organize for a video. I made one specifically for the Trade Unionists that might still be a little relevant, but there have been some clout changes since then.

[@bargiona]

I can't help but feel that the whole character mechanic in Vic 3 is very bad. It is just an RnG oddity that you can either ignore (and live with the consequences) or exploit the heck out to achieve whatever you wanted in the first place. I came to Vic 3 from CK3 and the difference is so abysmal that I wish they simply hadn't included any mechanic at all and all those ideologies were just a faceless expression of our faceless pops.

[@generalistgaming]

I think both characters and companies are somewhat superficial, but they've also said (of both) that they plan on fleshing out the mechanics more deeply at a later date.

[@captflameskulll]

​@@generalistgamingprobably in dlc...

[@FProgress1]

i am so glad to have found your channel, keep up the great work! finally the vici 3 channel i was searching for (with spreadsheets!!!). thank you for the really nice content!

[@generalistgaming]

Welcome aboard!

[@lenost8258]

I'm assuming this has been patched already, but for 1.5.7 when deleting armies, if there are no empty slots in other armies, then the deleted army's generals will just die. This allows for easy rerolling of IG ideologies without the approval hit that occurs for firing 20+ generals (though I suppose it could be countered by saving beforehand and just reloading when enough generals have been fired). Another detail I noticed is that when transfering generals across armies, you can ignore the general/commander cap (probably to prevent deleting a leveled general by accident). This leads to cases where you could have 5, maybe 6, or in my case ~100 fully promoted generals in a single army all helping to boost IG clout. This clout boost can help with passing laws at the expense of a couple hundred - thousand bureaucracy cost, which honestly isn't an issue when playing EIC or Qing or really any end game country. What's even better is that you can delete the army after passing your wanted laws and just recreate this IG army whenever you want to easily pass a law. Hopefully someone with a newer version of the game could verify if these 'features' are still in the game.

[@charvakpatel962]

I think it has been fixed, cause I remember deleting an army that was stuck due to a path bug ( fuck that bug ), That was the army where I collected most of my good offensive generals. To my surprise, they just joined other empty slots. But didn't know this bug was there, I may i have to again explicitly verify it.

[@nothextra1953]

if you had empty slots than this is not what he is talking about@@charvakpatel962

[@XemawthEvo2]

Even without VotP this guide is super helpful with regard to clout manipulation. 10 Bureaucracy cost/general is basically nothing in comparison to the impact they have on clout. I wonder if this could be used to manipulate armed forces into power for militarily challanging game starts. Once they are in power it could be pretty easy to get loyalty high enough to snag the +%10 Offense/Defense bonus.

[@generalistgaming]

Spending a half hour to roll 90% intelligentsia to massively reform the gov while just eating the admin penalty is a minmax play pattern that I don't use but is going to be optimal for some starts.

[@XemawthEvo2]

@@generalistgaming So cool to learn this. I feel like there is so much room for activities now

[@pinstripes3333]

Great vid. TFW you can’t get popularity on your intelligencia heir because no other countries are eligible for royal marriage tho

[@generalistgaming]

Oof

[@Pbleadhead]

Thank you for this. I tried following some other guide, but my general guy wasn't popular, so he wasnt taking over the IG. (and the other guide didnt mention the popularity requirement)

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, if you've only done it a couple times that requirement might be easy to overlook

[@mariotcarreon]

I was just thinking this question. Thank you! :D I've just started playing victoria 3 and your channel has been a great way for me to learn how to play. Thank you so much!

[@generalistgaming]

Glad I could help!

[@aapjeaaron]

What makes a man turn moderate? A lust for gold? Power!? Or are they just born with a heart full of moderatism?

[@generalistgaming]

Lack of a spine

[@toughsun2704]

The Multiculturalism tip is very helpful!

[@jamesstei1853]

Tip: If your nation is having regular elections, be sure to keep the cooldown on recruiting new Agitators and promoting to leadership lined up JUST before the election. I aim for 9 months before the next election for the CD to be available. Promote what you want right before the election cycle.

[@Lem0nsquid]

I hope this will still hold true in sphere of influence with the Russian Tsar. My next multiplayer campaign is gonna be great 😂

[@Mike__Finger]

Playing as Korea in VFM it is very easy to get corn laws and get a market liberal in charge of the landowners.

[@generalistgaming]

You mean VtM?

[@Jansay34]

Thank you! I have a couple questions: 1) Does the game always pick the most popular commander when an IG leader dies/gets exiled? What if there are no commanders that are in the same IG, a new character appears? 2) What if there are two commanders with equal popularity? Which one gets picked?

[@samzhao6662]

China can trigger corn law easily,first you move your market center to the island of Taiwan,then you export grain as much as possible, remove the ports on Taiwan after the trade route are made. This will trigger the corn law, and after you get the agitator you want, you need to release Taiwan as an independent country, this action will bring the trade center back the capital, thus you can develop normally.

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, I know about this trick, but I'm not sure giving up Taiwan is worth it considering you want to go Agrarianism, and while the cheese is available I do think Qing, with a ton of sub farms, serves as the best example of a country that should (based on how it looks) not be able to get corn laws.

[@ocavaleiroteutonico]

Muito obrigado pelo vídeo, estava precisando de multiculturalismo, saudações do Brasil 🇧🇷

[@kfoelsch]

Really helpful trick. Thanks!

[@generalistgaming]

Glad it was helpful!

[@Real_Efereal]

Very usefull. We need more videos with tricks like this

[@blockchiken]

I didn't realize the Russia trick. I'll have to try that.

[@generalistgaming]

Definitely makes Russia a lot more explosive. It might be the case they should go Agrarianism initially like Qing should, I'd need to take a closer look

[@blockchiken]

@@generalistgaming Based and Investment Pool pilled

[@ferretman6790]

18:24 bro what 💀 that monologue 😂

[@samuel.andermatt]

I heard as long as you don't have cultural exclusion you can also get a movement for multiculturalism.

[@generalistgaming]

You need a lot of radicalism for this to pop and it is neither timely nor consistent, but yeah, you can do this. Probably more likely to just randomly roll the IG you want on one of your leaders through organic play though

[@victormotta3790]

I like does short but objective videos

[@gabrieltorresuberbucek6111]

18:20 wow, Russians really can grow facial hair FAST

[@MachinimaGothic]

video lenghth should be 21:37

[@FayeRantTheStrong]

The Number of The Beast

[@milo36gdh]

Pope's number!

[@jameszeng2666]

So useful ... what a giant middle finger to Pdx and RNG LMAO thanks!!!!

[@generalistgaming]

Glad you liked it!

[@zadarthule]

Abdicate the Throne is only possible with Voice of the people DLC.

[@eliasadam2345]

Really helpful, thanks a lot for making this video, learned a ton.

[@generalistgaming]

Glad it was helpful!

[@KCCOmug]

Once rolled a Market Liberal Rural Folk as the Ottomans with the Moderate Exile trick. Was really excited. Sadly he was Albanian and I lacked Multiculturalism so he didn't want to come back...

[@generalistgaming]

Oof

[@zioming]

The chance to get a Humanitarian is weighed on how many of the laws they support you still don't have (extra point for having oppressive laws), and since I already have 4/5 of them plus Cultural Exclusion, I virtually can't roll one any more :D (Or maybe they appear later in the game. I'm still only at 1880) Edit: I actually already had one among my generals and didn't notice...

[@generalistgaming]

Rip the dream - kinda why I like keeping the Women from voting before this roll

[@zioming]

​@@generalistgaming But now I can't exile the old leader since I already have Protected Speech :D

[@abhishekvchaudhari8181]

In my russian run I was just waiting for the first guy to die.... Should learn to read.... Good stuff👍

[@generalistgaming]

Reading is hard, tbf

[@charvakpatel962]

I knew that Russia trick but I had no clue Moderates re-roll their ideologies. Cause I only re-rolled generals which can sometimes be very unlucky. I used to exile authoritarians or Royalists to get rid of negative approval in the long term, but this opens up a lot of possibilities, cause you can do both simultaneously, re-roll the general and exile moderates. Do you know if there are any extra restrictions for Japan? Cause I don't think I ever rolled Market Liberal there, Most I get is Protectionist that too after mostly 20-30 years at which point I am already out of serfdom and at least have enacted Interventionism. For Japan, I just always inevitably have to force a revolution post making a defensive alliance with a GP cause peaceful restoration sucks and takes way to long but if I can use the same thing in Japan, maybe I won't need a rev and it can make peaceful restoration a bit more viable.

[@generalistgaming]

You need to have Stock Exchanged researched to roll a Market Liberal, and the weight is significantly lower if you don't have an Urban Center that is at least 10+ size

[@charvakpatel962]

​@@generalistgaming I only knew about Stock exchange tech, not the urban center level 10 requirement. I will try that out thanks for the reply:)

[@charvakpatel962]

@@generalistgaming Tried your suggestion. Got market liberal on reroll on devout ( with 30% clout ) by exiling a moderate, got out of traditionalism before 1850 without a revolution. ( It was a seriously too good of a roll ). Industrialist clout was 9 % but it doesn't matter when religion wants free markets. Much thanks.

[@superdark336]

I see that your general pickings are filled with Intelligentsia and Trade Unions, is there a specific way to achieve that? whenever i recruit generals its mostly Armed Forces or PB (sometimes even the marginilized Landowners) that i can pick from, even if im very focused on the more progressive factions.

[@generalistgaming]

It's because I have a ton of clout on them, which influences who you roll (some IGs have a bonus, like AF). The most straightforward play pattern if these are weak IGs is to force and win a rev and then recruit a bunch of what you want. You can roll a lot though, and every time you come by an intelligentsia or TU that isn't popular recruit them and promote them to max so that it starts to get easier to roll them. May need to wait a week for clout to recalc from that though.

[@StrategyMasterSSF]

Can you play an Ottoman run when you feel like it?

[@g4m3r222]

why i never have inteligence and trade unions when i roll?

[@generalistgaming]

It's heavily influenced by the clout they have in gov (w/ a bonus for some groups, like the armed forces) so if those IGs are really small it will take a lot of rolls to find one. You can get the guys who aren't popular, and promote them all the way to boost the IGs clout as you're rolling.

[@immotion665]

Would you consider making a trait tierlist?

[@generalistgaming]

I've thought about it, but it would largely amount to like 5 S tier ones, 5 D tier ones, and the rest C tier, because the infamy ones are quite significant and the rest aren't so much.

[@immotion665]

true, but it could be a shorter video, and give you a chance to explain anything else related to characters along the way, I'd also really like to hear your insight on how important things like popularity are for leaders (I know it's good, but how good yk?). Just an idea tho@@generalistgaming

[@NessieAndrew]

What do you think of Rozencrantz's channel on Victoria's materialist modeling of reality? He makes some great stuff.

[@generalistgaming]

I haven't seen/am unaware of this, but I'll keep him in mind.

[@JimStorrie-v3s]

paraguay's got a moderate LO to start.

[@generalistgaming]

Definitely notable for the nation

[@2912801821]

Great... As always... Thx

[@anonymousdude205]

This looks like the kind of thing that will be quickly patched damn

[@generalistgaming]

It's been around since agitators in 1.3 - like last May

[@rabidfurify]

The only one which is probably a bug IMO is the moderate exile thing, the rest of them are all working how they're supposed to. Though I agree the way you recruit military leaders should probably be less exploitable.

[@AnonSeacat]

It seems like there are things that can interfere with this, like I was trying it but every time I exiled the Intelligentsia leader to try and put my general in charge, a random historical character (that was neither an agitator or general as far as I could tell) would always take leadership of the party. Is it possible that certain historical characters can override this?

[@generalistgaming]

I've not experienced this, but this has been reported to me by a couple people.

[@Arby631]

Thank you!

[@generalistgaming]

You're welcome!

[@ferretman6790]

18:23 no diddy 💀

[@generalistgaming]

Diddy did diddle

[@ferretman6790]

@@generalistgamingbut diddle me this: did diddy diddle a diddler with a fiddle?

[@cloroxbleach3346]

Fellas, is generalist gaming master oogway??

[@generalistgaming]

Could you imagine if I responded to this w/ "my time has come" and just never posted again

[@TheKingofRome1]

in your opinion what nation do you think is the most fun for a playing tall type playthrough?

[@generalistgaming]

Probably Belgium - really strong companies on top of a two state start.

[@merle3184]

I think they patched the Russian Market Liberal Heir thing, now whenever I exile the guy I end up getting a historical person who has interventionism as their ideology.

[@max1m825]

If you didn't know, you get a market liberal around 1855 historically. So use that as you will, it helped me very much.

[@merle3184]

@@max1m825 thanks!

[@fitzhadha]

I don't think the Monarch can be Leader of the IG anymore.

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah they've changed it since then, the Russia strat doesn't work anymore

[@CSDragon]

Alexander's facial hair came in fast

[@mimile4462]

Strong tutorial

[@kevincronin6786]

So I rolled my general, he is "loved" but when I exile the leader of the intelligensia, i get a historical character instead of the general. Is that correct? I'm wondering where I'm going wrong.

[@generalistgaming]

There might be some historic override or JE override? I've done this a TON of times w/o fail, but I haven't picked through the code or anything. I'd suggest loading and seeing if you can recruit the historic guy as a general and then exile him?

[@SuperGeomike]

Why do I roll so few intelligentsia? And no trade union generals/admirals?

[@generalistgaming]

It's based on clout in your country so its easier to roll them w/ higher clout. Also different IGs are more likely to roll military leaders in general

[@maxwilliams9523]

Your going to do what to the armies? 13:58 😂

[@generalistgaming]

You heard me

[@itachiaurion3198]

For corn law, I switch all grain farm to produce fruit and sugar which massively drop the grain produced overall and help getting over 25% without creating any trade export Switching back the day I have the entry. Thanks for the vidéo I started recently and focused on playing Persia which to learn the game and the corn law tips really help. I also rarely had issue with the politic dying before passing the law I wanted, maybe because I keep corn law until the law did passe? He even seem to make it to old age doing this. I tried to pass laissez-faire but having 25% of the pitiful construction pool I can afford early really killed the run. I did much better with interventionism to make the economy rolling.

[@Belwot]

How can i get more generals of one particular interest group? Is it somehow rolled with there influence?

[@generalistgaming]

It's based on clout and other weightings

[@Artosk]

Is there some requirement to see all those agitators? Whenever ive clicked it before its just been empty

[@generalistgaming]

It's on the wiki, but there's a tab at the top that you have to toggle

[@Artosk]

@@generalistgaming It was a bug with one of my mods, i think the only time it every displayed any agitators was if i had literally just exiled them

[@generalistgaming]

Oh, yeah that sounds like a bug@@Artosk

[@danieljabonski4705]

My question is: how to achieve 31% approval for Trade Union in 1881? This is insane!

[@generalistgaming]

I timed a rev in that run so that I'd be finishing it going into Feminism so a few IGs have depressed clout

[@danieljabonski4705]

@generalistgaming One more: is there any poignant point in technology or law or time when Trade Union gain approval, cause in my all runs TU are marginalized before ~1910-1920, even if I boost them. I should invest more in technology or do specific thing? Greetings and thanks in advance! :)

[@generalistgaming]

@@danieljabonski4705 Literacy and Universal Suffrage helps a lot too. Later techs use more machinists and engineers, which are a huge base for the clout.

[@SuperGeomike]

I was having trouble getting multiculturalism and just gave up. Next thing I know a trade union leader is humanitarian. That was random. Trade unions have 2.6% clout. I'm try to get him in government, but I think he'll die before that happens.

[@generalistgaming]

Yeah, it helps to proactively get the Intelligentsia or TU strong

[@ImperativeGames]

Nice tricks =) You can also first pass Cultural Exclusion as Russia because 3rd most popular Russian general is a Reformer.

[@HebrewHammer185]

russia doesnt really benefit from cultural exclusion, it doesnt stop the central/east asians from being discriminated and racial segregation already accepts the non russian europeans

[@ImperativeGames]

@@HebrewHammer185 Well, my opening move is to demand USA to release New England and New Africa, then take Texas, California and anything in between from Mexico. Then I take provinces from USA and Mexico continuously. Unincorporated states are 50% cheaper. New York will have Statue of Liberty. Tons of gold, arable land (helps with pollution), oil and sulfur (Russia has trouble with sulfur). Also, when USA has trouble with natives you alternate between helping USA for a province and natives for removing colonization.

[@SuperGeomike]

Has this been nerfed? Not working for me

[@generalistgaming]

You'll have to be more specific w/ your question, but as far as I know this all still works - the video was made on the live patch.

[@morizka]

Cool❤

[@frenchdonut22]

You have an M.B.A. in Victoria 3

[@amshermansen]

God I hope this gets patched out. Starting to remind me of the meta in EU4 of vassal feeding, which just ruined the game for me years ago.

[@generalistgaming]

I mean you can always not do it, but I've also suggested that getting to pick a general should cost a decaying amount of authority.

[@marcgubeli5984]

Victoria 3 is best game ❤

[@ekose61]

Hallo

[@generalistgaming]

Hello!

[@Beejgrpa]

Can't get an agitator to appear after achieving corn laws in Ottoman Empire; waited 4 years.

[@generalistgaming]

You specifically need it to stay on and should get "A Modern Conservative" only once and need to select the right action

[@Esoteric_Aphorism]

​@@generalistgaming waited 4 years after a no option corn laws success dialogue. No market liberal agitator; kept grain tax settings 🫤