How to Get the Best Drainage for Your Container - Why What You've Been Taught is all Wrong

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Getting the best drainage for your container is critical for plants to look and perform their best. But what we've all been told about filling the bottom with rocks or cans, etc. is all wrong. I'll show you why that doesn't work and show you how to get the best drainage for your container. Then, watch my Urban Gardening playlist: • Urban Gardening
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@johnjacobsen2736
@johnjacobsen2736 4 жыл бұрын
the test seemed flawed with the balance of materials, and the container sizes, and the relative ratios of dirt to rock to container.... The exaggerated rock to dirt ratio ruined the acceptability of the results.
@dhaniegirl
@dhaniegirl 3 жыл бұрын
I think it would have been better to use exact and equal measures of water for each, but the containers are the same size and the only difference is the addition of gravel. Where the action is happening is at the change in the substrates surface, so it doesn't matter how much gravel is underneath.
@joshbrazzell8549
@joshbrazzell8549 3 жыл бұрын
@@dhaniegirl it totally matters how much there is for a drainage layer. It should of only been about a half of an inch in that container. On top of that it shouldn't have been pea gravel, because of its smooth surface are it compacts more. Literally should have been driveway gravel. This guy is a joke...
@lizherbst7393
@lizherbst7393 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshbrazzell8549 there’s good research to back up his claim from the Washington State University Extension.
@joshbrazzell8549
@joshbrazzell8549 3 жыл бұрын
@@lizherbst7393 you should try to link it to me, that'd be interesting
@lizherbst7393
@lizherbst7393 3 жыл бұрын
@@joshbrazzell8549 I watched it in class, when I was studying horticulture. I couldn't find it with a quick search, but I'll look again.
@jackG1207
@jackG1207 6 жыл бұрын
I think the point of having rocks at the bottom is to help prevent the drainage holes from getting plugged with wet soil. Scale absolutely does matter, so your use of very little soil and so many rocks doesn’t make any valid point, other than that if you fill a pot with mostly rocks and only a tiny layer of soil, the soil will stay saturated (but only because there is not much soil!). Obviously if you flood very little soil with lots of water, it will stay wet longer than lots of soil with the same amount of water.
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 6 жыл бұрын
Brad. The point of using a lot of rocks in this demonstration for simply to illustrate more easily the science behind what happens to water flow when substrates of two different textures meet. I agree scale is important so that the more soil in the container the less chance of water collecting around the roots. But that's not the point of this video. It's to show that this does happen, wherever the interface is. And the primary reason people put rocks or cans or packing peanuts or whatever at the bottom is the myth that it helps with drainage, not to prevent drainage holes from getting plugged. Just use a screen for that.
@Zachnudels
@Zachnudels 5 жыл бұрын
Would it be possible to do this experiment with a larger container and a one/two rock layer at the bottom?
@Felix9lives
@Felix9lives 5 жыл бұрын
With rocks at the bottom you won't have to water that often so it's more water efficient:))
@triplemania5550
@triplemania5550 5 жыл бұрын
@@Felix9lives That's nonsense of course. You need to give as much water to the plant as it evaporates regardless.
@elancaster808
@elancaster808 4 жыл бұрын
Triplemania actually, Felix is absolutely correct in making his point that plants that are grown in a medium that can hold water for longer periods will not need to be watered as frequently. Your theory of water evaporation is not is incorrect however. Even in fabric containers very little moisture is actually lost due to evaporation compared to the amount that is absorbed by the plants roots as it takes a very long time for the moisture from the lower areas of soil in the container to wick up to the top to be evaporated. I wish you were correct for what it’s worth though lol ✌️
@trueamnisias
@trueamnisias 3 жыл бұрын
In real life (non-randomized) trials I've had best experience with small amount of gravel at the bottom. Less issues with blocked holes and water-logging after lots of rain. Given how much diffrent advice from experts is out there I guess it's much less clear cut and depends on many factors, soil quality, plant preferences, type and amount of material used, planter size and shape and so forth...
@ormcgazm
@ormcgazm 3 жыл бұрын
Dont stress, you seem to understand. Many videos on perched water tables say dont do the rocks at the bottom. But the exact reason they say why is also what contradicts them. Even a pot with straight soil/potting mix will have a perched water table. The stones just raise it from the bottom of the pot. Exactly like you said, case by case, situational difference, species etc. all come in to play. Ive done way more study and theory on this than practice, i agree and back you on what you say via experience.
@saloni.sharma
@saloni.sharma 3 жыл бұрын
@@ormcgazm I swear my experience is similar too. It's not that it cancels out the perched water table, it just raises it. I only use smaller gravels to avoid blocking the drainage and it works fine. Bonus points if your soil is gritty too (for succulents)
@Klink52
@Klink52 5 жыл бұрын
I do not use rocks and, have found drilling a 1" hole on the side approx 2" from the bottom of the container helps with drainage too. HTH
@philip9878
@philip9878 4 жыл бұрын
Everybody is such a bloody expert......I'm sick of hearing so called experts arguing with each other, its like being in the House of friggin Commons.
@trueamnisias
@trueamnisias 3 жыл бұрын
In that case reading youtube comment might not such a good idea....
@randymeyer6482
@randymeyer6482 3 ай бұрын
I believe it would be "bloody" House of Commons...cheerio, pip pip...tallyho, and that rot...
@carolynwalker1691
@carolynwalker1691 4 жыл бұрын
I add rocks at the bottom, just for the weight, we get a lot of wind and my pots get knocked over. Added the rocks helps .🙂
@carolynwalker1691
@carolynwalker1691 3 жыл бұрын
I planted rosemary in pots with rocks and it did fine, they did outgrow the pot so they are in the ground now😊
@ShinerBockGirlz
@ShinerBockGirlz 3 жыл бұрын
Lol your sponsor "brought to you by corona season after season".....the humor does not escape me fast enough...I can't stop laughing!!
@kritycat
@kritycat 3 жыл бұрын
Omg I died laughing! 😆
@abuhabibalkhair250
@abuhabibalkhair250 3 жыл бұрын
😂🤣🥲
@kmaassociates7999
@kmaassociates7999 5 жыл бұрын
Try a simple, new chunk of household sponge at the bottom.
@malakjudah4080
@malakjudah4080 6 жыл бұрын
too many stones in the container aint it?
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 6 жыл бұрын
Malak, as I said in the video, the extra stones used in this video were for demonstration purposes and more than one would normally add to a container. However, whatever amount of material you add to the container, water will be held in the upper layer of soil. The science still holds true.
@chandershekhar3447
@chandershekhar3447 5 жыл бұрын
@@joegardenerTV put lesser stones around 1 inch depth..... Then the drainage will be better and the plants roots will get more better space
@PatrickOehme
@PatrickOehme Жыл бұрын
Id be curious what the results would be over the course of several days, especially if you used a more reasonable amount of rock. You've shown that a layer of rock can raise the level of a perched water table, but I wonder which pot's waterlogged section will dry out first? If you did a larger pot that only had a few inches of rock, you woulnd't waterlog the entire pot like you've shown here.
@zforcenow
@zforcenow Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@LB-sk3vl
@LB-sk3vl 4 жыл бұрын
We have huge black walnut trees, I use the walnut shells broke in half to help with drainage. They are extremely lightweight and neutral ph.
@NatalieMcGuire
@NatalieMcGuire 7 жыл бұрын
Yay! My laziness and cheap-skate-ness has paid off! (I never add anything at the bottom of my containers.)
@monicalemmer9029
@monicalemmer9029 5 жыл бұрын
Natalie McGuire I put one small rock in each hole, I’m lazy too lol, now I’m drilling holes one inch from the bottom to see which worked for this 82 yr old teenager.
@willianschiavoluz6999
@willianschiavoluz6999 5 жыл бұрын
I used charcoal and nonwave
@julieangel4403
@julieangel4403 3 жыл бұрын
Right but if you are truly cheap, like me, then aren't you defeating the purpose. container soil is expensive. What is your solution to that?
@vyomaran6723
@vyomaran6723 3 жыл бұрын
The best!
@billcoleman6502
@billcoleman6502 3 жыл бұрын
Hgg
@RandomRads
@RandomRads Жыл бұрын
I usually place few pebbles right on drain holes. More soil means more nutrients means more root growth. Why anyone would fill gravel? Bamboo grows in gravel. But still it’s better to thoroughly mix gravel, sand, soil.
@mattschwisow3504
@mattschwisow3504 5 жыл бұрын
ummmm, water started coming out of the one with rocks almost immediately.
@Fordgroup00
@Fordgroup00 5 жыл бұрын
Mimi Sunshine Nope. I saw it too
@leviwdietz
@leviwdietz 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@matthewkheyfets1309
@matthewkheyfets1309 3 жыл бұрын
@@leviwdietz not going to lie, both soils looked pretty poor
@Growyourheirlooms
@Growyourheirlooms 5 жыл бұрын
The water in the first cup with the stones clearly flowed out instantly when you added water. It went straight to the bottom. So to say it didn't flow through is incorrect. Watch the video again. Secondly, of course it won't flow out the second cup as readily as there was more soil to absorb the water. As for root movement, of course it stands to reason roots can't flow through stones as easily.
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
As I noted in the video, of course the initial flush of water will flow past the soil and filler to exit the container, just as water exits an over-saturated sponge. It's the remaining water held in place by the carrying capacity of the soil above the second substrate that is where the risk lies. Saturated soil that does not move past this top / first substrate because of the change in texture of the material below poses the risk that the roots that share that same space as the saturated soil have insufficient oxygen because the water has displaced it. To your second point, wherever the change in substrate layer is, that's where the water will stop flowing after the initial flush. So yes, more soil is much better to allow water to flow past the roots. But if the roots aren't above the saturation point, they still have the risk of sitting in soil that is too wet.
@mattschwisow3504
@mattschwisow3504 5 жыл бұрын
GrowYour: Yup. And he doesn't let up, either. As with most people when they are full of shit about something, he just won't let up.
@-Zer0K3wL-
@-Zer0K3wL- 5 жыл бұрын
Actually pure soil is not good either some plants just need perlite mixed in and sand so the soil holds less moisture or does't compact and retains air better, cos roots rot if there is no air in the soil, bonsai mix usually is just mostly stone like mix with barely any soil for example, some plants also better off in clay pots others in ceramic pots some type of rocks can also absorb water also to keep in mind, i would put in a stone barrier at bottom just so the roots dont sit in tray of water on saucer altho i dunno if that actually helps im not sure. Anyway a good soil mix drains as fast as it needs to so it cannot be overwatered, rather then not giving a little that does't reach the drainage hole, cos you wanna be able to wash out all the salts that acumulate into the soil.
@valandicoundouris968
@valandicoundouris968 4 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, the one with the pebbles is better. I find that pebbles do help. The pebbles also help to prevent the soil from falling out. I find that if you add really big, misshapen rocks, it helps with drainage. There will be gaps. If you put a stone over the drainage hole, the water will come out, because the rock is misshapen and doesn’t have a tight seal. Whatever works for you though!🙂
@howardmckeown7187
@howardmckeown7187 Жыл бұрын
did you watch the video?
@RaffaelloLorenzusSayde
@RaffaelloLorenzusSayde Жыл бұрын
​@howardmckeown7187 he over exaggerated the situation. A rock or a few won't cause saturation. It's only when there are too many of them. I use rock(s) to prevent the soil from leaking from the pot when the soil is irrigated. That's the only reason I use them rock(s).
@ChillGuyBonsai
@ChillGuyBonsai 9 ай бұрын
For my bloodgood japanese maple tree I took a 30 gallon pot and added a thin layer of stones and river sand over that it works really well it the river sand prevents the soil from going into the air spaces that the stones make therefore prevents clogging.
@ChillGuyBonsai
@ChillGuyBonsai 9 ай бұрын
​@RaffaelloLorenzusSayde I agree, but I use a tropical soil mix with bark and coconut husk, so I hardly get saturation.
@bubblerings
@bubblerings 5 жыл бұрын
It only goes wrong, if the roots clog the drain hole... Is best to have more than one... -Or other strategies to prevent blockage. Gases AND the water could really foul things up for your plants.
@lonelywolf3209
@lonelywolf3209 5 жыл бұрын
This is one of the most discussed topic of container gardening. If we dont put any thing in plastic pots then soil will start coming out of drainage holes over time. I am having both kind of pots with pebbles and without pebbles and my plants are doing fine in both the pots for years
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
If you're concerned with soil coming out through the holes, why not just lay a piece of window screening on the bottom before you add your soil. That will prevent most of the soil loss and still address the issue discussed in this video.
@gregfutrelle1396
@gregfutrelle1396 Жыл бұрын
Landscape fabric (aka ‘weed blocking cloth’) is also useful and a bit easier to cut than wire mesh.
@dworkenlaw1
@dworkenlaw1 4 жыл бұрын
Hi Joe. Your scientific explanation seems in conflict with the basic nature of a French drain? That is soil (one type of porosity) above rocks (another type). Can you explain, since this has me confused! Thanks, and thanks for very interesting articles, vids, etc.!
@j.l.912
@j.l.912 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly. The only time I have had issues with drainage holes getting clogged is when I haven’t added some gravel to the bottom of the container. Like you said, this flies in the face of engineering practices.
@Vaesive
@Vaesive 3 ай бұрын
LOL, at the pouring the rocks into a clear container from another identical clear container they were already in. Regardless, great insight and demonstration in this video; thank you!
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 2 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@rusiapeng9979
@rusiapeng9979 3 жыл бұрын
I put 1/4 rock into pot. Not 3/4.
@adambrody6398
@adambrody6398 Жыл бұрын
What about for the people like myself who absolutely NEED to weigh down their two URN planters because they sit on steps & are prone to wind ???
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV Жыл бұрын
Fair question. I would instead mix the heavier material in with the soil, so it's all throughout, vs. just at the bottom creating a seperate layer. This way you can still get the weight but not impede the drainage.
@nsta6408
@nsta6408 4 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻....Just a quick question, could you please tell me if keeping a single layer of shade net at the base of the soil is ok?...I did it coz I made few big holes for drainage and didn’t want the soil to pour out...Thanks👍🏻
@oakenglish9707
@oakenglish9707 Ай бұрын
But that's the way our mother and grandmothers taught us when we were 7 years old watching them garden. I can't go against that can I?
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV Ай бұрын
You can and you should. 😉
@LBWicked
@LBWicked 4 жыл бұрын
My Quarantine Weed Plant Thanks YOU;)
@tymarq07
@tymarq07 3 ай бұрын
How about a piece of landscape fabric at the bottom of the pot? Does it help prevent soil from escaping
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 3 ай бұрын
That is totally fine. 👍
@RedSquirreLx
@RedSquirreLx 5 жыл бұрын
just put a very small thin layer of rocks on the bottom of a deep pot, its the right thing to do
@jdsimz8147
@jdsimz8147 5 жыл бұрын
Yup
@finchgould6538
@finchgould6538 5 жыл бұрын
I agree. the holes in the bottom of the pot have to be covered, or the soil will come out of the holes. JoeGardener recommends using window screening. But over time, the plant will send a lot of its roots straight through the window screening, and, when re potting, removing the window screening will be all but impossible without tearing off a lot of those roots. Just put some rocks on the bottom of the pot. If you have problems with soil over saturated with water, then put some (extra) perlite in the mix. Perlite is very draining.....
@juliapaust4840
@juliapaust4840 5 жыл бұрын
@@finchgould6538 That's an interesting fact about perlite. I use perlite for semi-hydroponic orchids and I observe that perlite first drains water very well, but then gives it slowly to the plant roots and it needs less watering than one without. I'll try it on my ficus making 1/3 mixtute with soil and next on a hydroponic ficus. We'll see what happens. Thanks for your comment.
@geriannroth449
@geriannroth449 5 жыл бұрын
Interesting concept but i do not agree i always place gravel or rocks covered over with 60 /80% shadecloth to prevent the rocks below from getting clogged up with silt or soil then top up with a non clay soilmix
@lindamorgan2678
@lindamorgan2678 3 ай бұрын
FACTS ! with proof thanks so much I am sold. BTW good presentation not alot of blah blah blah
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 3 ай бұрын
Thank you!!! 💚
@lindamorgan2678
@lindamorgan2678 3 ай бұрын
@@joegardenerTV You are welcome Joe. Happy Gardening to you.
@KC-pu8tx
@KC-pu8tx 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Joe, thank you for your excellent effort in simulating your concept right in front of our eyes. It was very convincing and was performed very professionally. What you proved seems very reasonable for the small and medium size pots. What about fairly tall pots. Filling a tall pot with quality soil is expensive. Do you have a solution for that. Thank you.
@Yannispawn
@Yannispawn 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly the answer I’m looking for!
@prettylagoon
@prettylagoon 4 ай бұрын
I just transplanted flowers. After watering it didn't drain out
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 4 ай бұрын
Good thing you noticed. 👍
@catjensen847
@catjensen847 3 жыл бұрын
perhaps I am not seeing correctly, but I saw some of the water flow through the rock version shortly after you put the water in it.(before the wait time)???
@LightGesture
@LightGesture 5 ай бұрын
Ingesting. I'm still going to put some aggregate in my big house tree pot. Ill mix it up
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 ай бұрын
Mixing it up makes all the difference. 👍.
@joavzamir2481
@joavzamir2481 3 жыл бұрын
First thanks for an interesting video! My question is if it’s ok for a big pot, around 24 inch high, to stand on a plate with the drainage water. The water depth is around 1 inch. The watering is automatically and the soil feels good but the plate is always full. This is in Israel so it’s warm here!-) Happy for advice Thanks
@iamaduckquack
@iamaduckquack 4 жыл бұрын
Corona - season after season Wow
@Spell_me_AJ
@Spell_me_AJ 4 жыл бұрын
Quack quack
@aussiegardendiy7461
@aussiegardendiy7461 3 жыл бұрын
so how do you stop the soil from draining out each time you water? I'm more concerned about that.
@2qlrn273
@2qlrn273 3 жыл бұрын
I save the plastic netting that tomatoes & potatoes are often sold in, and fold them over to fit the container before adding the soil. Some soil may still wash out, but not nearly as much!
@jonny_mazerati9410
@jonny_mazerati9410 5 жыл бұрын
No one puts that much rock this is crazy lol 😂 you put a tiny layer just to cover the hole you guys will believe anything you see
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
Johhny - As I said in the video - The amount of stones in this example is for demonstration purposes only. However, the principal is factual and science-based at whatever level stones or any other substrate fill part of the container.
@chandershekhar3447
@chandershekhar3447 5 жыл бұрын
This video is a great demonstration for fools
@denko44
@denko44 4 жыл бұрын
If you would have added 1 inch of stone, the levels would have been about the same in both containers. Dude fills cup 3/4 of the way. Oh look guys, the top quarter is soggy so you'll kill your plants. 😂😂 It's science he says, yea heavily manipulated science. 🙄.
@jennifergreathousewellness
@jennifergreathousewellness 4 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's about believing what you see, but rather learning and seeing the outcome experience is the best lesson overall! Like cooking and planting it is all trial and error, but how do you know unless we try and learn for ourselves? I like facts and learning how to garden, so I appreciate many KZbin videos going out if their way demonstrate how they do it with out paying money for classes on how to garden. I will then take what I learn and do it the same or maybe differently. End result is that I have learned something. Be positive and give positive feedback is always more helpful to people.
@GayathreeN
@GayathreeN 4 жыл бұрын
CORONA here too ?!!!😂
@pohlim5925
@pohlim5925 3 жыл бұрын
I put pine cones at bottom of pots for drainage
@gailgriffith6243
@gailgriffith6243 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the drainage demonstration, I’m going to do this with my grandchildren before we plant the flowers they chose. It’s something they will remember when gardening! 👍🏻
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Gail. You are welcome!
@shimmyhinnah
@shimmyhinnah Жыл бұрын
And yet another “expert” states that all this drainage material is unnecessary except maybe 2 rocks nears the drainage hole.
@julieangel4403
@julieangel4403 3 жыл бұрын
That's interesting and informative but leaves us with a dilemma. Potting soil is expensive. The fillers we add to bottom of pot are dual purpose; drainage and save $ on soil. Can you address this problem with some advice? Thanks in advance.
@jenniferbinder8663
@jenniferbinder8663 2 жыл бұрын
You should give it a try. Maybe in just one pot. Likes little experiment. I’ve been gardening for 30 years and learn new things every day. In the beginning, I believed that all my soil would fall out the bottom. So out of fear I put rocks in the bottom. I have not had that experience. It just doesn’t happen. Plus your plants have the added advantage of having more soil in the pot from which to draw nutrients. When the soil is depleted, they cannot go to the store and get food. They need all the soil they can get, so filling it with as much good soil as you can helps so much. And if you decide to add compost, mix it thoroughly with the potting mix so you have all the different sized particles mixed well. That way you are not creating the same problem you’re trying to avoid with the gravel.
@jennifergreathousewellness
@jennifergreathousewellness 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for teaching me this. I am learning how to garden, and your KZbin channel has generously helped me really understand how to garden correctly with inspiration! Thank you again.
@BLKnPrd67
@BLKnPrd67 4 жыл бұрын
Terribly unrealistic comparison. No one would have that little soil with that much stone. You got a thumb down and I saw the water drain out almost immediately from the cup with stone.
@council1342
@council1342 2 жыл бұрын
But how do you fill a huge pot with just soil? I have elephant ears and cactuses that are in HUGE pots. I bring them inside my house when Temps drop to cont. to enjoy them all year. I've done this for years. As some might know. Neither of types of these plants have large roots systems. I can not afford to fill all my pots with just potting soil, not to mention the fact they get way to heavy if I did and wouldn't be able to move them. So if your not supposed to fill with rocks or another type of "filler" substrate, then what is your suggestion please. And thank you!
@simonac688.
@simonac688. 3 жыл бұрын
we get the point...but this example is a bit wrong 1) too much rocks 2) mesured quantities of water should of been used 3) what is the soil used here ? ect... the point of using rocks in the bottom is to prevent the roots and soil to escape the pot... My 2% Thank you 👍
@daicullinan9970
@daicullinan9970 2 жыл бұрын
so this video says don't use crocks...next video says use crocks...next video, don't..etc etc..think I'll just toss a coin🤔
@Mark-lq3sb
@Mark-lq3sb 3 ай бұрын
This has probably been mentioned, but I'm not reading all 314 comments (at this time.) I think most, if not all people fill the bottom of their containers (with whatever they choose.) so they don't have to use as much potting soil. Thus, spending less money. I'm sure that most people that live in an urban or suburban area just go to their local hardware store or garden center and buy bags of potting soil of their choice. That can get expensive and those bags aren't generally very big. Maybe 1 to 1.5 cubic feet per bag and it goes without saying, the bigger the planters the more money you're going to spend. I do have a tip for buying (larger amounts of bagged potting soil.) Buy in the winter months because off-season it's lower cost. You may have to order it from the store. All major chain hardware stores have online ordering available, and you can have it dropped at the store for pick up or some places offer for a few bucks extra to have it dropped at your house.
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 3 ай бұрын
Great advice Mark. I agree. I buy 60lb bales of seed starting mix from Ace Hardware online and have it delivered to the store for free. Plus I can usually find an online coupon and save even more! 🙌
@rhonacunningham4942
@rhonacunningham4942 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video !!! Thank you so very much. I now know what to do. South Africa calling. It’s night time here right now. I can’t wait for the morning to start on my pots. 🤗
@kenberian4863
@kenberian4863 2 жыл бұрын
Just saw this video and read the comments. I'm amazed so many missed this point: if Joe did the test with just a normal thin layer of rocks at the bottom, there wouldn't be enough visible difference in water movement to be obvious right away. As in real life, he'd have to wait for months for the plant to start showing the negative effect on drainage and crapping out ... proving his main point that in the LONG run, the rocks on the bottom are bad for the plant.
@lisalambert2750
@lisalambert2750 2 жыл бұрын
To much rock. I don't use rock. I use swimming noodles. Works great and not as heavy.
@bjfifi
@bjfifi 5 жыл бұрын
Idk what to believe anymore
@KillJD
@KillJD 5 жыл бұрын
Everything is a lie.
@dreamhousehunting
@dreamhousehunting 5 жыл бұрын
I find that it's easy to figure out who to believe. If people promote a method based on something like, 'I've always been told', or, 'I've always done it this way', or they justify something based on what seems right or sounds right, or because 'so and so did it that way and theirs were always great', but then you get advice based on science that can be demonstrated ... believe the science. For science-based advice check out The Garden Professors on Facebook. Search the topics and you'll find science-based answers to almost any question. Bonus - the science-based advice is almost always less work! (except root washing) . BTW - If you don't like this particular demonstration there are lots of others.
@davidhalley9795
@davidhalley9795 3 жыл бұрын
My question is what do you when you have a very large outdoor planter? I certainly don't want to put in 3 bags of soil. That gets extremely heavy.
@noel888
@noel888 5 жыл бұрын
Joe, what about the theory of placing small plastic bottles in a large container, to make it lighter to move around? It takes up about half the soil. Is that why my Azeliia plant was dying?
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
when you put different material in the container, you raise the water table. There's no way to say what is causing your azalea plant to die but raising the water table where the roots are sitting in water too long would be one reason. You can create a false bottom in a large pot but you still end up with less soil volume and more roots in less soil. But a false bottom such as with "ups-a-daisy" container inserts are a decent option for large pots.
@noel888
@noel888 5 жыл бұрын
@@joegardenerTV Pardon my ignorance Joe, what is an ups-a-daisy container?
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
@@noel888 It is a product that was made to be inserted into round containers to create a false bottom so as to reduce the depth required to fill entirely with soil. It's usally used to light the weight of large containers or reduce the volume of soil needed to fill.
@torb1trick415
@torb1trick415 5 жыл бұрын
what about mixing them together
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 жыл бұрын
That would work when it's mixed throughout. It's when you have a different layer of substrate beneath that is less dense that you have the biggest issues.
@susanlisson7066
@susanlisson7066 4 жыл бұрын
I wish I’d found this video before potting up some of my succulents as per recommendations from other videos. I only put half to 1 inch of gravel but after a year when I was repotting I noticed there was green slime growing due to all the excess moisture. Thankfully my succulents didn’t die as I was watering every 2 weeks or longer as I noticed how moist the soil was. Never using gravel or rocks again. I do however use shade cloth cut to size on the bottom with all my pots. It works very well and allows airflow but stops soil leaking out. Been doing the shade cloth over 20 years and never had any issues with it.
@ale347baker
@ale347baker 2 жыл бұрын
What kind of shade cloth?
@susanlisson7066
@susanlisson7066 2 жыл бұрын
@@ale347bakerI don’t think it matters … it just needs air holes. Some people use old sheer curtains as I’ve witnessed on a few KZbin videos.
@propertytsunami3071
@propertytsunami3071 3 жыл бұрын
how about mixing evenly the rocks with potting media in the pot ? not at the bottom. elvin KL
@howardmckeown7187
@howardmckeown7187 Жыл бұрын
great video, thanks, pity about the comments, LOL!
@bpsitrep
@bpsitrep Жыл бұрын
I've used gravel, sand, mulch and some plastic milk jugs to help with drainage and weight (with large containers) . I've had mixed results over the years but can see where over watering a container thinking it's draining but becoming saturated is a problem for the roots of some plants. I'll experiment some more this year since I'm planning on repotting everything due a harsh winter.
@Dave_en
@Dave_en 4 жыл бұрын
What if we add brick pieces at the bottom of the pot? They are excellent water absorbers. Also if we add some brick pieces to soil itself?
@biancagodin7952
@biancagodin7952 6 жыл бұрын
Fml, I just filled all my pots with rocks at the bottom
@cydneyagno
@cydneyagno 5 жыл бұрын
😂 I did too. Then I researched AFTER.... Eh. I suppose I'll improve my research skills the next time I go in face first.
@6980869
@6980869 5 жыл бұрын
I just did too, but iHavent put in any soil on top of the 1” cinder rocks at the bottom, or atop the 5/16” cinder that i put on top the 1” cinder, yet. Whew! That was gonna be done tomorrow, since my plan of doing that today hadnt got carried out, since it’s been raining on and off all day. I think im gonna experiment having the medium be multiple layers, gradually changing in size, & maybe the transitioning for the water to move through from one type & sized medium to another, be smoother and more efficiently/effectively...
@mattschwisow3504
@mattschwisow3504 5 жыл бұрын
You did the right thing.
@jccuchvjvj
@jccuchvjvj 3 жыл бұрын
Clay pebbles mixed with peat moss at the bottom would be a solution for this.
@kellydo2325
@kellydo2325 3 жыл бұрын
But who told you to put THAT much rocks? A little common sense goes a long way buddy
@ElizavellaB
@ElizavellaB Жыл бұрын
good experiment but I find a little rock at the bottom does wonders for all my plants 😊
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV Жыл бұрын
Good to hear. Personal experience is best. The science is sound, but like the drug commercials say, "results may vary".
@1cleandude
@1cleandude 2 жыл бұрын
Great video but annoying background music!🙏
@freemoriah8160
@freemoriah8160 4 жыл бұрын
I wonder if people add the padding because it requires less watering, as opposed to a plant with straight soil that needs watering every day? Straight soil is probably best just to prevent them from getting waterlogged and developing rot.
@sede5111
@sede5111 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this explanation. Please lose the music; it's annoying, and makes it difficult to understand you.
@MM-fr9yh
@MM-fr9yh 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. You have answered a fundamental question. I will try this today!
@jonnierotten7
@jonnierotten7 Жыл бұрын
You can see water easily draining from the gravel bottom.
@mmangla5575
@mmangla5575 6 жыл бұрын
nice informatin
@StompingRabbits
@StompingRabbits 3 жыл бұрын
A 3\4 inch layer of pumice stone isn't going to do any harm!
@Electronics61
@Electronics61 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great advice.
@johnosam4681
@johnosam4681 3 жыл бұрын
Are u telling me that I need to re pot the 20 plants that I just re potted a month ago!? 🤦
@JohnnyjohnJ
@JohnnyjohnJ 3 жыл бұрын
I subscribed because you look good.
@synchronicity67
@synchronicity67 4 жыл бұрын
But wont the soil come out from the hole at bottom of pot??
@lilspark252
@lilspark252 4 жыл бұрын
What would be best to use to cover a large single hole on the bottom of the pot so that the soil does not come out?
@JEESSZZOO1
@JEESSZZOO1 Жыл бұрын
Landscape fabric
@chubbyjohnson5480
@chubbyjohnson5480 3 жыл бұрын
Coconut fiber. You will lose soil with nothing.
@vandanad3786
@vandanad3786 6 жыл бұрын
Nice vedio...but plz guide me..how to stop losing soil from d drainage hole, I mean what should I place in bottom to avoid that to happen.
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 6 жыл бұрын
Place a piece of screen in the bottom.
@edwardjones7412
@edwardjones7412 5 жыл бұрын
why is a screen god...i use a thin layer of large perlite because i have alot of it so why not..not for better drainage but to aid in not losing any medium threw holes...works great! and yea screen will work to..but you make it seem like thats the only remedy@@joegardenerTV
@starrystarrynight9822
@starrystarrynight9822 9 ай бұрын
Should have used the same measured amount of water in both of the containers to make it a reliable experiment.
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 9 ай бұрын
Right. At the time I did this, it was really for demonstrating the concept and why this is true. But I agree, I'm going to reshoot this using standard protocols to take away any doubt.
@iamsavest1470
@iamsavest1470 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, helpful tip
@meghanbutt9914
@meghanbutt9914 4 жыл бұрын
thanks for the video. do you have any advice on what to do when using pots with no drainage holes?
@mariawilson2595
@mariawilson2595 4 жыл бұрын
Meghan no drainage means wet mouldy earth , I have just had to empty 5 big concrete containers, because the plants werent growing, at the bottom I had layered it with terracota , the bottom layer of earth was thick and gungy . The terracotta had blocked the holes so no drainage , consequently my plants were dying with rot. So best you drill some holes in your posts gal , I am trying to make my holes bigger xxx
@2qlrn273
@2qlrn273 3 жыл бұрын
Succulent specialist Debra Lee Baldwin does. Look for her website, then look for advice on watering, & the subheading: "How to water succulents in non-draining containers". (Not posting with the link included.)
@CWBush73
@CWBush73 4 жыл бұрын
Well you filled the one cup almost all the way to the top
@GospelOutside
@GospelOutside 3 жыл бұрын
Wow Corona season after season..... smh
@CropperTV
@CropperTV 5 ай бұрын
here after my lemon tree died cos it drowned in just soil----
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 5 ай бұрын
Improving the drainage of the soil by incorporating different, coarser material throughout (such as perlite or finely ground bark) vs layers of different substrates will make all the difference. Blend it all together vs layers. 👍
@ralphmarlow6627
@ralphmarlow6627 Жыл бұрын
I think something to be said for soil an inch deep vs 6 to 12 inches deep You can't grow much in an inch of soil. Maybe try 2 fish tanks and you might convince me. 6 inches of soil and 6 inches of gravel would make a better test
@richardbotha777
@richardbotha777 Жыл бұрын
Thank you. Finally a proper explanation on KZbin.
@joegardenerTV
@joegardenerTV 11 ай бұрын
Glad it helped! Thank you.
@brockjohnson100
@brockjohnson100 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for tackling this issue quickly and succinctly.
@dannywhite5366
@dannywhite5366 3 жыл бұрын
Im a noob to this planting stuff, but wouldn't having a drainage hole just leak water from the bottom creating a mess?
@siyachari9107
@siyachari9107 2 жыл бұрын
what if different substrates but no soil, only pumices and leca(in the bottom) or what is one substrate but in different sizes (bigger is in the bottom) thanks
@KK-zj6pn
@KK-zj6pn 2 жыл бұрын
I was surprised by the truth.
@Mindrol.Lhakyi
@Mindrol.Lhakyi 2 жыл бұрын
Perched water tables work in the ground not in containers. Different environments. Use mesh if your concerned about soil loss.
@maitreyi.musings
@maitreyi.musings 3 жыл бұрын
Corona: Variant after variant.
@hobbygardener6840
@hobbygardener6840 3 жыл бұрын
Guys need help if I don't use stoned is it ok to use a piece of cloth at bottom of pot (above drainage hole) in order to prevent soil coming out from drainage hole
@incubatorarndt204
@incubatorarndt204 3 жыл бұрын
In general this theory is correct but when potting citrus plants, you must add expanded clay rocks in the bottom of your terracotta pot, they will absorb the excess water and let the rest drain through the hole, and give the water back to the plant gradually. Those who recommend gravel are nuts.
@MissN1234
@MissN1234 2 жыл бұрын
But didn't you place too much stones in the bottom? More stones than soil? But it would work differently had you used less stones.
@toneyjohnson8910
@toneyjohnson8910 4 жыл бұрын
Great information and it makes since
@somai_1
@somai_1 2 жыл бұрын
Can I use woodchips instead of soil or pebbles as filler at the bottom of a pot?
@sajib333
@sajib333 4 жыл бұрын
What if you put some sands at the bottom of the pot instead of rocks/stones? Won't it develop a better drainage system than that of the only soil one? However, (according to your experiment) the universally accepted myth actually is- keeping the sands in the lower-middle of the pot, while soil on top & few rocks on the bottom.
@thenande
@thenande 2 жыл бұрын
This isn't a realistic experiment because the container traps water. As a result which one is more waterlogged on its upper part depends on how much water was poured into the container. If the containers had even one drainage hole the container on the left would have better drainage than the container on the right.
What is good drainage and how does it work?
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