How to grip a gaming mouse for best aim potential

I switched from palm grip to fingertip grip and noticed a big improvement in aim, especially because I could use smaller mice. It's something that takes a long while to adjust to, so I would recommend people using palm or claw palm give it a try.
Also note on that point with the fingers raised off the mouse ... the higher they are, the longer they have to travel, so the "slower" your latency times are going to be. That's like playing with a higher ping!
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[@wearespartans2117]

Now how do I grip my gaming chair with my butt cheeks correctly? ??

[@jobmorales3492]

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[@wearespartans2117]

@@jobmorales3492 🤣

[@jobmorales3492]

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[@mirrored464]

No undies or pants

[@bigbob5103]

nice spelling

[@3dominik418]

At this point I don't know if I am breathing correctly.

[@qp2922]

Then you should do mewing

[@Hydrasito]

qp Does that shape your jawline too?

[@qp2922]

@@Hydrasito yes, you will get even hollow cheeks if u swallow correctly

[@Hydrasito]

qp Thank you, I'll try it

[@qp2922]

@@Hydrasito kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6LEh3qIa515gbs its a very good a video about it, if u have any questions feel free to ask me

[@mango2084]

So basically people with 2 thumbs or 6 fingers have an advantage. Sounds like im visiting chernobyl soon

[@NeCtRiCkS]

mango building a gaming house in Pripyat sounds promising.

[@TheFishJackpot]

He sound rusian

[@tripledot6758]

Soon? not great,not terrible

[@egeiscan5206]

This made me laugh so hard xD

[@sindreha]

what if u loose one instead

[@spoonman4406]

wow. thank you for the help. been holding mouses backwards this whole time.

[@shadowtdk]

:D

[@sugestive371]

Lol

[@nicobelcik7205]

I won’t be racist

[@malo3064]

Good self restraint Nico, I’m proud of you!

[@spoonman4406]

I’m Blocking you

[@ExoGhost]

There are many great palm users. Many palm aimers are pro players

[@caryzab4136]

ExoGhost you come here often

[@austinfortman]

lmao one of his videos is 2 up on my recommended

[@thetf8142]

Depends on the game, like csgo damn near all of them are palm grip

[@MysticM0]

the tf makes sense since most aiming in cs is horizontal, you don't need to move the mouse up and down much

[@pelaaja8427]

@@thetf8142 nope thats the game where almost all are claw

[@K4inan]

Whenever I started thinking about my grip style, my aim would get worse. Now I don't think about it and it's much better that way.

[@JessyXeye]

This. I fell into this trap like 5 years ago and couldn't let go of it until like 1 year ago. Whenever i played bad I worried about my grip and I always tried to adjust and everything just felt awkward.

[@JessyXeye]

@@PersonMeetup I don't know what mouse you're using now, and how big your hands are.. but yes, definitely try a smaller mouse if you haven't! Even in palm I still find smaller mice easier to control (now using the CM mm710, can recommend!)

[@cactys3]

@@PersonMeetup model 0- is a good choice for that

[@nohomolads]

Yeah, just use your natural grip

[@brown9671]

Yes

[@JFINNN]

Palm grip tends to work well for when people use very low sensitivity and play games that do not have a lot of vertical camera motion. The ADS sens of a lot of a good Battlefield 4 infantry players can be as low as 60-120cm, and the majority of them are palm grippers.

[@BassFraud]

Yes the majority of the Best BF4 players play with palm and that’s what got me using palm

[@IbrahimMasri1]

Yeah no I play on 1600 dpi (palm grip) and 0.081 ingame sensitivity

[@libertyprime9307]

Is BF4 still a thing? Just thought it was weird to use that game when that was like 3 Battlefield games ago in the series, and they all are the same in terms of aim mechanics.

[@JFINNN]

@@libertyprime9307 It's only sorta a thing. And while most of the mechanics are the same, the gameplay isn't as skill based as it once was, so much of that portion of the community never really got into 1 and 5

[@your_average_cultured_dude]

200dpi, 2.8 sens, palmgrip with a deathadder 2013 on csgo

[@tomarom1927]

This shed so much light in an area I never thought to actually look when improving my aim. Its making me think with common sense.

[@guest8485]

Dang, he sounds like he’s 29 and his hands make him look like he’s 40.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

I'm 37.

[@vcxpper3786]

DirtyDan ! fucked xdd

[@mihailo7927]

@@RocketJumpNinja what?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Dude you could ALMOST be my dad...i want a dad like you!!! Adopt me

[@fackenl]

Rocket Jump Ninja You sound younger than me, and im younger than you

[@enixidy]

I like horses

[@cookiesdll]

Next tutorial: "How to grip your Waifu mousepad for maximum comfort"

[@Mstfamstr]

Tf u on about

[@Mstfamstr]

@silvergbasp13 ohh okk, thx bro

[@RoMice]

I need it

[@Hiperultimate]

He can't make the tutorial on it..... As its already comfortable >;-)

[@todie616]

wrist in between the cheeks technique

[@bobekelund2174]

Thanks Zy, can you please update the top 40 now? :D

[@sandros94]

@@lukemullan789 Ah that explains everything, ty

[@DarthClwonious]

@Matthew That's why he says to not pay too much attention to the #/rank of a mouse and pay more attention to the specs/dimensions of it and whether it would be a good fit for you and your hand. Really ranking them is more about ranking them for himself rather than for anyone else.

[@codeosu5856]

@Matthew u can go to find a mouse :)

[@NonoDonPablo]

you should buy a white XXL mousepads for your reviews, would be much better because almost all mouses you test are black

[@madshadow8007]

doesn't need to be white, will get dirty really quick and could be hard to clean properly. Perhaps a light grey or Blue/Red colored.

[@Voxanez]

Why though? Are you losing the mouse in the mouse pad lmao

[@therealb888]

@@Voxanez lamo that's what's happening to the poor soul😂🤣🤣

[@yozerr]

it would wash out the camera and everything would look overexposed

[@armanddd]

He has a grey Corsair pad (mm300) that he has used in most reviews before.

[@Ghanemq8]

I used to have really good aim with a palm grip on the deathadder. I tried different grips and the palm grip gave me the best aim and comfort.

[@sack8439]

Ghanem__q8 Same, I have a very good aim on CSGO with palm grip and deathadder 2016 model. Played on ESEA with pros too. Different grips will only differentiate the pros from the elite really. Its just like improves your aim max 1-5%.

[@joeass2399]

"if u drop click it will break" Minecraft pvpers: First time?

[@GreatMCGamer]

Yes - top 4 in Mineplex SSM leaderboard

[@yayeet5348]

GreatMCGamer weird flex but ok

[@c1rcles438]

It is used for double clicking. Or butterfly clicks

[@joshuadity]

I hope all is well I feel like God laid this on my heart for me to send you this message! The Bible verses that changed my life which was Acts 2:36-43. I just wanted to say that Jesus Christ can restore your life and that is a promise according to Acts 2:39, and God loves you. If you’re in need of a good church near you here you go: www.upci.org/resources/locate-a-church God bless have a great one 🙂. I prayed over this I hope all is well 🙂

[@kyurem8466]

@@joshuadity Cool bro but actually no one cares

[@Capt_McNuggetDMZ]

How open should I keep my eyes for best aim?

[@theHerathrig]

Well in pistol shooting its better to keep both eyes open, helps you acquire targets faster.

[@robertjr8239]

Completely shut. Thank me later

[@seasaltsam9506]

@@theHerathrig actually for all guns lol

[@mbdarkialtdookluj]

Open your both eyes. If still having problems, trying poking your left eye with a knife. It it still works, try poking it again. If the eye survives, do it on the other eye. If the other eye also survives, you are good to go!

[@keralanews4710]

@@mbdarkialtdookluj Absolutely correct! If both your eyes don't work anymore though, you have to get tweezers and take the eyeballs out. Feel the way to your monitor and lick the eyeballs and stick it onto your monitor. Should give less mouse click latency and better aim overall!

[@EirinaiosCharizonas]

Lots of grips to try, I always believed that whatever suits you is going to be good for you.

[@socloseagain4298]

wow what a shocker XD

[@ubermenschchan7671]

this is a good starting point: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f3qZeal8obuGrZI

[@awesomesauce1157]

you can think of mouse grips as handwriting. It’s natural, but it can be practiced

[@Tcheverlika]

The right grip is the one you use without even thinking about it.

[@cactys3]

Unless ur going pro or ur real competitive it really doesn't matter too much, comfort matters more

[@asupekt6650]

For palm grip, for it to be properly effective you need to use your full arm to aim, mixing in alongside of wrist movements. Doing this fixes the issue of vertical adjustments, as well as helps with longer movements for lower sensitivities.

[@taloonys9418]

don't worry about grip's efficiency, it's all about your arm control and unique control parts of arm. For example ins destroys 99% of aimers and he uses palm grip (after 2 years, yeah...)

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I wonder how people can even use palm grip without massively overshooting at the button end with their fingers.

[@2138Dude]

@@HappyBeezerStudios try deathadder. Not mini. Its a big mouse

[@naejimba]

I agree with this as I actually use palm grip myself; you are basically lowering your sensitivity and when you are finding targets you are using your whole arm. Once you get close to a target then you use all of the subtle adjustments that he shows in the video... I can still make those adjustments with a palm grip, it's just I have to move my wrist/etc. MUCH less than I see people do with finger/claw (which in my experience leads to less fatigue and ZERO pain or discomfort). Even with lower sensitivities those larger arm movements allow you to cover the distance of your pad much faster which helps with things like a 180. You have to have a larger mousepad if you are using your arm, but for obvious reasons that is something people do regardless of grip.

[@naejimba]

@@HappyBeezerStudios , I agree with G.K. here 100%. I use palm grip and a deathadder. Typically people who use palm grip ike the feel of this mouse in their hand, and it being a larger mouse means I NEVER have to worry about my fingers the end of it. Even more interesting though is in the video where he was talking about having to move your index over for scroll wheel; with this setup my index finger does NOT need to move to do so... I simply curve my index finger and it naturally will scroll. It makes me think of how in the video he talks about the side buttons, and how you do not have to move your thumb to hit them, but rather you are using either the tip (which is like the index click) or bend at the joint (scroll). Same concept. Another important thing to mention is that due to the size of my hand the heel of my palm is on the mouse pad and NOT on the mouse itself; technically it is still a palm grip since half of my palm is in contact with the mouse, but my hand isn't choked up against it where there isn't any room to adjust vertically. Now, if I had smaller hands I would not be able to do that, and would not be able to adjust any vertically (just like we saw the demonstration in the video!). So I would assume hand size has a lot to do with this as well. I hope this explains it a bit. =)

[@TheRealFaceyNeck]

This video made me take notice of how I hold the mouse. I thought I was a palm-gripper. Apparently I'm a finger-tip-gripper. The bad news is; even though I'm naturally using an ideal grip, I am wicked horrible at Quake Live, and clearly no amount of mouse gripping adjustments is gonna replace the many thousands of hours needed to be good at a game like this. It is fun to hop into Call of Duty here and there after playing Quake exclusively. The opponents in CoD deathmatches look like they're playing in slow-motion after you've become acclimated to Quake for a bit.

[@lucasimonelli5038]

my take on this is to grip your mouse so you have the least amount of muscle tension. in Darts this is the rule number one because muscle tension can mess up your throw and im guessing this translates to gaming as well.

[@GustavoMsTrashCan]

I actually followed your tips and I improved by a whole lot -- It's not just a matter of "preference".

[@Meddle2K]

it still is a matter of preference, this video just gave you more options and now your preference has changed, that's all. Your grip still depends on the size of the mouse though, maybe you were trying to palm a smaller mouse and now realize it's easier to claw it.

[@omrirainman8004]

Can you try the G-wolves skoll please?

[@naz5394]

Omri Rainman and the hati

[@julianmanifan123]

i think he already said he wouldn't really review clones in the model o review... skoll is a clone of zowie ec btw

[@kyle7700]

I have the mouse. The weight, shape, cord, and side buttons are great..but the m1/m2 are terrible IMO. Too mushy and problems with double click. I stopped using it after a few days.

[@Volker_Putt]

@@kyle7700 update ur drivers they added a debounce timer and all ur problems are gone ;)

[@kyle7700]

@@Volker_Putt I did. I still have issues even on 11. So I guess it's worse on some. But that doesn't change the travel in the buttons.

[@splicix6226]

I have 45% accuracy with claw that i have been using for 3 years, and i switch to palm grip, I legit got 60% consistently wtf, thanks for making this vid

[@0verkilla]

I'm so glad I "accidentally" started to use fingertip when I didn't even know we had different grips it just feels the most comfortable to me, and goes really well with my GPro

[@Maitoaja]

How do you 40cm/360 with that shit? hand rubbing on table or muscle tension

[@rentok8195]

Fps is the worst

[@supersunbros6432]

my friend showed me this video. i used to palm grip with my deathadder, but after i watched this i tried fingertip with my new GPW and my aim has improved tremendously. thank u Zy.

[@Ollay245]

Dammit, I was holding it perfectly already and I still suck at aiming :(

[@Meddle2K]

lower your dpi and see if that helps

[@andreidmny]

The fingertip grip has always felt most natural option to me. Having your fingers resting on the buttons is a great piece of advice as it minimizes your input delay. As an avid fps fan (I've been playing PC shooters for 20 years) I absolutely love your channel.

[@snow225-o7]

what mouse do u use

[@andreidmny]

@@snow225-o7 Right now, the Logitech G Pro Wireless. At the time of writing this comment, Steelseries Rival 100. Still the same grip. 😁

[@toecurlersupreme]

when i first got a Model D- my first instinct was to palm it, but after hours of playing i adopted a fingertip grip without thinking about it i guess its comfier than keeping your hand wrapped strictly around the shape of the mouse

[@andreidmny]

@Emmy the palm is sitting above the mouse but it doesn't touch it. I'm not sure how to call it, maybe it's a hybrid grip between fingertip and palm?

[@zeemanmemon5329]

@@andreidmny it's called relaxed claw grip. Very popular grip but not mentioned alot

[@Brendan_InOT]

your cameras so good i can almost see every pore on your hand

[@sleepingturtle32]

DreaM Saiki oof

[@michelangeloxiv2172]

My hands are pretty big and my mouse is small so fingertip is like the only option

[@glashausAimz2]

I use palm so i dont have to cramp my hand up all the time. I tried claw for a good 6 months(until my razor died) and while i had no better aim, i ran into all sorts of other problems like clicking when quickly putting the mouse down, activating the side buttons on accident, firing on accident. Palm solves all that. Its way easier to lift the mouse up(if it has a decent shape, ec2 b, mx 518). The grip is way more relaxed as well. Also up and down is hardly ever a straight vertical movement and almost every single time requires forearm aim and then a minor adjustment with the wrist. I never had any issues with that. Many of the youtubers make it sound like palm is so inferior, but i dont think so. I think you didnt use palm long enough or you are simply bad at forearm aim and medium to low sense. I get consistency(less mistakes), a more relaxed grip in long sessions and about the same accuracy and speed. There must be a valid reason that 1/3 of the top 350 csgo pros use ec1 a or ec2 a.

[@ipostrandomshit6853]

Michael Schwarz same there is no perfect mouse grip its all about personal prefence

[@ipostrandomshit6853]

Michael Schwarz i used palm but now i switched to relaxed claw grip

[@JerryReyes]

They're mostly all old pros though. More and more people are moving to claw and fingertip You don't cramp your hand if you use the relaxed fingertip grip or relaxed palm grip. If you're using your forearm for vertical aim then youre inherently not anchoring your wrist or do not have a 90 degree angle on your elbow. This is bad for your aim and for your posture.

[@C4rnee]

@@JerryReyes I thought claw was where you rest a bit of your palm at the back of the mouse, in the video the guy reffers to it as "palm claw" or something... Fingertip is the only grip that gives you enhanced vertical mobility

[@MrParker700]

Sounds like u have too big of a mouse for ur hand 🖐

[@yuri_lhr]

In short: "it's up to you"

[@yoitsjimmy_]

not really, there’s actually some really good advice in this video

[@MrJustyoutubing]

If thats what you took away from this, thats an L

[@hazqier]

Was a Fingertip Grip user in 2017, then switched to Claw Grip in 2018.. Then suddently last month i kinda changed and tried using palm grip and i surely think i found the grip for me... I aim so much easier with it.. i've been using fingertip and claw for so long that when i changed to palm, i already have really good micro adjustments, and wrist control but now with palm... i don't have any errors what so ever when i aim or flick to check an angle, as if the palm was the missing link.. I can see so much improvements using palm compared to when i was using claw.. I can even flick my mouse faster, more accurate and with less tension now..

[@TheRealZewkz]

I personally use palm-claw, a lot of these micro adjustments are moved within the fingertips, and having good crosshair placement can eliminate a lot of the issue, ive also NEVER seen someone curl their fingers inward to hit a shot below their crosshair, or extend their fingers outwards on an angle to hit a angled flick, always flick their wrist/arm for shots, far range sure move with fingers but close/medium range no.

[@pitasialessandro]

when aiming i like to have the mouse kinda sticked on my hand, i feel really comfortable with the palm-claw grip, and if i try to fingertip it feels that the mouse slips out of my hand and i have to adjust the grip every 3 seconds, but obviously is only my opinion

[@giellas]

Alessandro Pitasi same and my aim it still decent with palm

[@Xoilen]

I personally find claw to be the best grip because you can make micro adjustments both up and down.. with fingertip grip you can only make them downwards

[@qyruz]

I play claw grip it just feels precise and natural for me

[@kr4zyy]

I was a decent aimer with my DA Elite Palm Grip, switched to the Viper Ultimate back in Dec and now I'm way better than i ever was, using a claw/fingertip grip

[@rxck5749]

I use that aswell

[@a.y.2404]

Zy, something to consider regarding anchors points. Higher sensitivity wrist aimers tend to have their wrist/lower palm serve as an anchor point. Low sensitivity players commonly use their forearm as an anchor point instead. If you tried to predominately aim with your arm and use your wrist as an anchor point there would be too much drag and friction to accomplish this seamlessly. So the anchor point changes based on context, but it still exists. Edit: Also, the mouse wheel is one reference guide for finger placement, but so are the side buttons. I find that if my thumb is misaligned with the side buttons then I have to adjust my grip to access them during game, which can throw my aim off. In fact, a good indicator that a mouse is properly sized for my hand is that I can comfortably access the side buttons and the mouse wheel simultaneously instead of prioritizing one at the expense of the other, as I found myself doing when I used smaller mice such as the original G Pro.

[@johankou4778]

i can't even hold a mouse right, jeez am i ever a failure

[@nixcrits6480]

U good?

[@jakeiiix2051]

I am not just coming here as a flex or anything but as you asked, I palm grip my death adder and have for near a year or so, first gaming mouse I’ve had and I’m incredible with it. I hardly miss st all and have lock on aim with it. I play 650 dpi generally and works great.

[@none12192]

I put my pointer finger on the left mouse button, middle finger on the mouse wheel and ring finger on right mouse button

[@hudv]

0:54 Me butterfly clicking for multiple hours a day: oh

[@marshi4683]

Geometry dash players: kzbin.info/www/bejne/raXTfHt-it5jns0

[@joeass2399]

@@marshi4683 What does that have to do with square game

[@marshi4683]

@@joeass2399 click hard

[@KO_Manic]

Plot twist: his grandfather is doing the grip positions and rjn is doing the voice over

[@GabingDoes]

u don’t have to worry about these if you use a trackpad

[@isra1081]

the pinkie on the back helped me a lot.

[@Kamilistgud]

Thank you i have been using touch pad for most of fps games switching to mouse was hard first it was hard and then it was easier this healped alot

[@sheepo886]

RocketJumpNinja: "if you slam the buttons they will break eventually" Also RocketJumpNinja: *proceeds to slam the buttons*

[@silenstrike665]

I aim very well with palm grip, It takes alot of practice and time to adjust, especially getting back on after a while of not playing.

[@nova-co3bp]

Everyone says the deathadder is huge but it still wasnt big enough for my hand :/

[@sleepingturtle32]

Oof try using claw or maybe fingertip grip

[@kenchiifps]

If I'm playing FPS games, I use claw grip on either ergonomic or ambidextrous mouse. But if I'm playing games like Dota 2, LoL, or any non-aim intense games, I use palm grip to lessen the finger fatigue for spamming left and right buttons for longer periods of gaming.

[@Hentjim]

I was palm gripper, but now since I use a smaller mouse and use claw grip I can aim much better

[@nin6145]

i've peaked rank 16 on the overwatch ranked ladder with palm grip. i just feel good using palm grip but i think sometimes during mid game i use fingertip for a split second.

[@ryanwedgner8362]

Do you play hitscan or projectile?

[@nin6145]

@@ryanwedgner8362 i'm a flex tank player. so i play any tank. i also reached 4200+ on every role. dps, support and tank. i would say my hitscan and projectile are even :]

[@divine6735]

What mouse do you use or recommend

[@nin6145]

@@divine6735 currently i have the logitech g203 but last night i bought the cooler master MM710 because it should be better for my palm grip :D ( i have small hands )

[@divine6735]

Nin cool that mouse looks sexy for palm grip

[@samivwow]

says you don't have the micro adjustment ability: me: *laughs in high sensitivity*

[@dxrk1227]

lol i feel that i am a fortnite player 1500 dpi and 45% in game sense

[@shendimaci3680]

@@dxrk1227 no way

[@dxrk1227]

Shendi Maci im not kidding you i am now trying out a 4500 dpi

[@shendimaci3680]

Omgg i play on 5.2 x and y 800 dpi

[@dxrk1227]

Shendi Maci lol actually im turning it down to 2800 but turning my ig sens to 52

[@libertyprime9307]

4:00 "if you can aim really well with palm grip, let me know in the comments, because I don't think I've seen that before" Probably the majority of CS:GO players? Mechanical freak Beaulo of R6 Siege. Most of the elite aim for snipers and flex supports in Overwatch is palm: Surefour, Dafran, RyuJehong, JJonak off the top of my head. Pretty sure it's the most common grip to pair with very low sens. JJonak (MVP of OWL Season 1 - nuttiest aim arguably ever seen in Overwatch) handcam, pure palm grip on G403 & ultra low sens as you can see: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f5CQgYuCZcufndU I think you got this wrong by saying the best aimers use fingertip or claw. It depends on the game, and the hero/weapon a lot. Quake Live demands a relatively fast and close style due to frequent rocket jumps and the fact that you can't always force long range even if you want to - you will see more fingertip and claw excel there. It makes sense for you as you're like 30cm/360. In something like CS:GO on the opposite side of the spectrum, we see fewer wide flicks, much slower movement, holding of long angles and MUCH less vertical play - thus, a lot more low sens/palm. I'd also argue fingertip lends more to tracking, since that's more about rapidly updating crosshair placement, whereas palm is ideal for flicking, which is more about consistency and precision - easier when fingertip motion is eliminated as that's the smallest muscle group and most prone to subtle erratic/involuntary/twitching motions.

[@Bebolife12345]

Palm =/= Claw.

[@libertyprime9307]

@@Bebolife12345 who said palm = claw?

[@Bebolife12345]

@@libertyprime9307 im an idiot.

[@pedrotaglialenha6365]

True

[@realclarence8780]

Pros would probably do even better if they didn't use a dumb clunky grip like palm grip. Just because they use palm grip doesn't make it a better option, they're just idiots for not using the superior grips. You have a much better range of motion and more control with the other two grips compared to palm grip. Palm grip is just objectively worse and I bet we'll see more pros in the near future using fingertip and claw grip that actually understand how to hold their mouse better.

[@alexanderdugas3520]

Hey, I really enjoyed the vid, I was originally a palm gripper playing r6s, but I switched to fingertips and instantly an improvement on my horizontal aim, it will take a little getting used to for vertical aiming, and maybe some sensitivity adjusting, but otherwise, it has really helped me 10/10 would recommend.

[@seanrobinsonjr4363]

7:05 IMO having the pinky back is the better way, and I used to have my pinky and ring finger at the very front. This is most likely because I was a palm user, and it just felt more comfortable. However, I feel like having the ring and pinky finger at the very top doesn't actually grip the mouse. It's kinda just resting on top there. When I used the Viper ultimate wireless, my ring and pinky finger would automatically glide back because the grip with is more narrow than the top. It didn't feel secure. My placing the pinky finger in the middle of the mouse (the part that is more narrow) I felt like I really secured the mouse. There were more grip to it. It felt like I was actually holding the mouse and not just hovering the mouse with my two fingers. The two fingers wouldn't glide front or back because they are in the groove. People should try it. If you have your two fingers just resting straight and in front, you are not actually using the grip curves at all.

[@arete7884]

Play it how u feel comfortable, even pros got some wierd grip styles that make it work for them only because it suits them

[@pen9win467]

I was goated in csgo with palm grip until my hand automatically adjusted to palm claw somehow then I WAS the best csgo PLAYER EVER...in my house

[@joshuadity]

I sincerely laughed

[@virility]

Zybbee he lives with shroud

[@logandeboer1009]

how would you even start to change your grip style. there is so much muscle memory that you can't actually play with a new grip because if you focus on the game you go right back

[@libertyprime9307]

Just being shit for a while while your brain replaces that old "muscle memory" with the new.

[@catguy7520]

No dude it is actually really easy , just a week ago I noticed that when i use my fingers to move the mouse i aim better and so i kept trying to aim more using my fingers and i am now becoming finger tip grip from palm and it does not feel weird

[@logandeboer1009]

@@catguy7520 maybe my mouse is just too big to fingertip grip. I can't even figure out how to hold my G403 finger tip style

[@libertyprime9307]

@@logandeboer1009 I also use G403/palm. I've experimented a bit but I'm just not as consistent with fingertip. I think my finger movements aren't smooth enough for it. Like when I try flicks, they follow a more predictable line with palm than fingertip for me. But I can see how fingertip would be good for faster paced games.

[@damienmb2365]

Take psychedelic drugs of course.

[@churchofseabass9227]

fingertip grip ftw... i used to play palm/claw when i was a kid, recently got a deathadder thinking a bigger mouse might be good given that I'm tall. Now that I've spent a month using a few different mice, realized I'm a fingertip grip now am using the smallest mouse I have. I think everyone should experiment with different mice for a few weeks, I had long been using one that's too large. I like to use that bony part of my palm to pivot on, makes fine tuning shots wayyyy more accurate. Also got an L shaped desk so I can sit my forearm on the desk for even more stability and to lessen aching wrists.

[@jaye3]

I JUST BOUGHT THAT SOUNDBAR AND I LOVE IT

[@amverypro831]

who else just gripped it like the thumbnail and left

[@ZackKo]

I've tried for months to change from Palm grip to claw/finger tip. I went from the Deathadder, upon it breaking, to a Model O. It's very hard for me to palm the Model O, especially due to the size of my hand. I've found that when running aim tests my aim is actually significantly better when I force a palm grip on the Model O though. I think it's due to my hand size, desk height, and sensitivity combined, but who knows.

[@breggsgonzales2924]

5:27 this is what you came for.

[@deviralsungu6618]

I just switched and I was struggling with side buttons but I think this will help

[@SevenWasTaken]

Wow i’m actually surprised this really improved my aim by alot i watch so many video thank you

[@paolovg1116]

*If you keep slamming the button it will break* Geometry dash players: *HMM*

[@algaez8809]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS IS A HIDDEN GEM OF A COMMENT

[@LZONE4]

Palm Griper for ~14years here ( attempting to be a "formerly known palm griper") . I developed a habit of using Palm grip when I was young because i thought it was the only way to grip a mouse ( i was young and ignorant to other techniques) I personally think I have great aim w/ FPS games, but one of my greatest weakness was micro adjustments, specifically vertical micro adjustments (back and forth movements) because of the restriction with Palm grip. About 8 years ago when I was 15 I got more serious about PC gaming I was aware about different techniques but i figured if I am good at it and already have the muscle memory why change it? ( also I couldn't afford to buy multiple mouses and back then marketing for "gaming" mice was expensive, unlike todays market where you can get amazing mice for 60-90$) Until recently about literally 1 week ago I started Claw griping and it was Day and Night difference ( my hand did get a bit fatigue because it was not use to it) but my aim was so much better and precise, my tracking was better as well and my micro adjustments with vertical movement is soo much better. I really recommend trying Claw grip, it will definitely be out of your comfort zone but it is so worth in my opinion

[@neatclaps]

I’m lucky to have been using claw grip since I started PC gaming (6 years ago) I try to use palm grip sometimes to just see how it is and if feels almost impossible

[@shlumdi8395]

dang u goated at mw

[@Billybobber47]

Even better aim now?

[@LZONE4]

@@Billybobber47 My aim is more consistent now. I would say that my aim has gotten better, but because I have improved since then. Ive been practicing. One thing that I can say that got better by switch styles is tracking targets (when they strafe, move left to right) as palm gripper and wrist player tracking targets was always my worst trait, but after using claw grip i instantly felt a difference. At the end I guess yeah my aim is better now.

[@LZONE4]

@@neatclaps Thats awesome! yeah palm gripping now for me feels impossible too!

[@pilamiis]

2:09 same here i cant stand having my whole hand on my mouse i feel so uncomfortable and cant hit any shots

[@almagarcia6473]

Same

[@brailinpeters5771]

A really good example of someone using palm grip with spectacular aim is the counter strike player EliGE edit - you said you would really like to see a video just type in something like EliGE highlights and you'll see how snappy his aim is. I just thought i'd comment seen as you said you'd like to see a video!

[@hydro8382]

Woah thank you i was using my leg the whole time

[@Thiccmike]

Ooooo looks like a new setup!!! Any plans on an updated setup tour?

[@Seroplex10mg]

"Sensei ten" released today. hope for a review :) thanks for all of your review !!

[@Cerridius]

Pretty sure I’m palm grip. I play with a handcam so you can see my mouse in my vids. My aim is pretty good IMO. Im a pretty high level destiny player.

[@elvismuja5027]

Cerridius oh hey jimmy

[@hadz_]

I use the deathadder since 2011 and people have been praising my aim continuously in every single game I play. You mentioned the reason for why palm grip isnt good for aiming and I agree with you, however though I've managed to be able to do the "micro adjustments back and forth, right and left" with it, I can film you a video of me explaining how I do it but just so you know, my grip is palm but my finger tips are raised and pointed perpendicularly on the mouse buttons, just a little bit backwards from where your fingers are, which is mainly the reason why I get the chance to do these adjustments.. anyway just do reply to my comment if you're interested

[@dslander]

I fingertip a g403 and love it

[@Stu81]

I was using the ec2-a for a long time with palm grip, I changed over to the g305, I found that my grip style didn’t actually change at all it was just the was no contact on the mouse with my palm which because of the small size meant I could now micro aim which I use more for recoil control so maybe it’s more to do with mouse shape and size rather then grip being any sort of issue, your grip is natural but the mouse isn’t so I’m thinking that it’s more to do with finding the right mouse that fits your grip rather then changing your grip, I’m ordering the rail over the weekend as I’m intrigued to try a unique shape, I wonder how long it will be until anyone can form their own shell.

[@aja749]

Doesn't matter how I grab my mouse I will still keep getting rekt.

[@michaelenns8872]

The grip really doesn't matter. One can aim very well whatever grip he uses. Just look for examples (for instance pro players from different games). It is not all black and white that's why you see different ways to hit the ball in tennis, to play the guitar and ... to grip the mouse. As long long your settings are on point, you don't have any input lag (or 60hz monitor :D) and a relaxed mouse (and body as well) you are good to go. At that point you just have to put some time into the game (generally speaking).

[@michaelenns8872]

It is easier said than done maybe but there are so many good aimers out there and if they can be good at it than you can too.

[@鐵]

@@michaelenns8872 it is also important to know when to shoot with prediction

[@eljahihamgottin4540]

@@michaelenns8872 Whats wrong with a 60 hz monitor?

[@michaelenns8872]

@@eljahihamgottin4540 It just makes it more difficult to hit your target. For some (or probably most games) it doesn't really matter too much but for games like counter strike, Rainbow six siege and so on you are definitely better off with a monitor of a higher refresh rate like 144 or even 120.

[@Cynibot]

I've always used the 1-3-1 grip because it always felt natural to rest my middle finger on the wheel. I never realised it's an uncommon grip style.

[@henrikpflanz6177]

what is wierd is i use palm grip but both my middle and index finger on on the right trigger. I I need to fix that

[@Katzerax]

just because you told me to, yes i can aim really well with palm grip. i play a lot of osu with my mouse in this way, theres videos on my channel of that if you want to see what i mean, though i will take your advice on claw grip

[@shadow11829]

then theres me with my deathadder claw/fingertip grip looking for a bigger mouse cause its way too small

[@DanChanVideoGames]

Keeping my hand relaxed helps me the most with aiming. Any grip that promotes relaxing your hands would probably work for you.

[@Soraslayer55]

im absolutly nuts on palm ever sinse i started cs 2012 im def gonna try other ways i use the g203 so g102 ty for the video

[@simonghijsbrecht6230]

Thanks for making this Video

[@subtly.artistic]

@Rocket Jump Ninja There is an Overwatch pro player called Surefour that uses palm.

[@RocketJumpNinja]

You sure he uses palm? So many people have said they use palm or others use palm and it turns out they're using claw or fingertip. Surefour apparently watches my videos so I'd be very surprised if he still uses actual palm grip. Maybe a slight hybrid but not actually palm, which requires a bigger mouse than is recommended.

[@subtly.artistic]

@@RocketJumpNinja I'm pretty sure he mentions it in one of his aiming tutorials. I can try to find the link if you'd like. I do know that he uses several different types of mice and mousepads (or did, i don't know if he still does.) I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he switches his grip based off of what hero he plays as.

[@mrosty8930]

He actually used to palm but switched to claw because he actually said something about being a better grip for aim or something similar, he said it in a stream

[@rylan8815]

I thought this whole time I was a palm grip player but this video showed that I'm a fingertip grip player now wont take palm grip advice lmao

[@crowdflattener9375]

Thanks man, I decreased my response time by 100 ms. My accuracy is also greatly improved

[@danielcraft15]

wait for what game is this for... it seems like minecraft pvp for me...

[@veer0522]

a ow pro called Surefour is using palm grip

[@mavolant16]

ar1g4to Kun And He’s kreyzi kreyzi

[@9ssle]

Also Kabaji. They both have very low sense however which help with the microadjustments zy mentioned.

[@markong3010]

and he plays with a FOV of 90

[@crimnvL]

claw palm hybrid actually

[@karambadodox]

There are exceptions to everything, but remember that the people who play with palm grip generally use really low sens to compensate the lack of fine movements.

[@nickaguado7]

Try mcp or better known as knuckle claw. Where your palm doesn't touch but the undersides of your knuckles do. Diagonal movement is much better with this. I find in fingertip if your finger grip isn't perfect you get the steppy movements when going from target to target

[@niftyishhh]

i dont know what to do with my arm when im aiming because theres nowhere for me to rest it so i just have my wrist on my desk but it ruins my aim. what should i do?

[@Ermz]

Thanks for that breakdown. I always thought I was a second class citizen with aiming due to being a life-long fingertip gripper. I recall your original FK-2 review which got you to switch grips - it coincidentally also got me the first mouse suited to my hand in over 10 years, so that's appreciated.

[@jpisdistraught]

Funny that this video drops the same day my G pro is coming in the mail

[@ItsReaxxion]

Exactly, Exactly Same for me XDD

[@jpisdistraught]

_ David _ you do enough to comment

[@ItsReaxxion]

@_ David _ i smell butthurt

[@digga1]

Beaulo is a 19 year old Pro player, who people thought was cheating when he was 15, and he uses palm grip, 4:00

[@ComeGetSomeGG]

i Finger tip and when i pull down i go claw for micro adjustment but i have notice that you should set your sens to high medium to feel comfortable < 10 years of gaming

[@Tearful]

I play palm grip on a low sens and I also position my mouse behind/under/beside my monitor so I can pretty much use my entire arm from the elbow down to aim

[@dawnmoer]

"if you keep slamming the button, it will break" *minecraft pvpers have entered the chat*

[@ImBathMan]

I use 400 Dpi and 1.6 in-game sens in CSGO. I also use a palm grip. Low sensitivity players tend to be not affected by using palm grip (because we move our whole arm to do everything anyway.) while high sensitivity players use claw grip usually. You can see pro CS:GO players using this such as friberg from NiP.

[@ahmedmohamdmostafa27]

I believe liquid poach a comp fortnite player with great aim uses palm grip he's notorious for his flicks

[@Dupylo]

Check out nate Gibson his aim is nuuuts

[@Henry-zc4ch]

He kinda uses a palm fingertip hybrid really, but what is also really interesting is that he also uses 1-3-1, and can still aim very well with it

[@aced4fun]

What’s next, the proper way to stare at your screen for 6 hours straight?

[@RocketJumpNinja]

Yeah don't do that. Ever. Gives your eyes a chance to rest and make sure you look into the distance for a while too. Use it or lose it. Exercise your eyes, your body, your brain, everything. Don't just sit at the computer for hours and hours and hours.

[@smooshi3167]

ive been playing palm grip since i first started pc gaming and my aim is very good to above average about 35-40% accuracy in most games i play but now watching this vid i think i might try out fingertip grip and see how it goes