How To Harm Your Audience - Wonder Woman 1984

[@TheCloserLook]

Hey Guys, This one was a massive creative experiment. I'm keen to know what you thought of it, and if there's anything I can do to refine this new style a bit more. Also, feel free to join my discord where we talk about films, games, and creative writing. If you're a writer yourself you'll find a nice little community geared towards you there. Here's the link: discord.com/invite/aJpYPQX But thanks for watching, I'm going to crack on with my next video. If you paid attention to this one you'll know exactly what my next upload will be on. - Henry

[@noamont9936]

YES

[@SilverSpireZ]

I’ve been anxiously awaiting this video!

[@user-fx2bc6be3m]

I love it

[@Poptart21000]

Yeah, how about you stop stealing from nakeyjakey?

[@abdulazizmerdad4093]

Did u ever think of doing a vid on Spider-Man 3 bcz I feel like the film didn’t fail bcz of 3 villains bcz Batman returns had 3 villains and it was good so can u do a video on the real reason it failed

[@ViolentOrchid]

If my coworker talked to me about being socially awkward and then asked if I've ever been in love, I would hardcore think they were totally into me.

[@ViolentOrchid]

Also, let me fix that line: "It so hard, I can't make friends, my coworkers find me annoying... I can't even find someone to, you know, complain to about it over dinner. Have you ever been in love?"

[@laurene988]

Honestly same

[@phearamax4146]

@@ViolentOrchid would have made so much more sense if it was like: B- have you ever been in love? D- where’d that come from? B- oh, I’m just thinking about things I’d like to do someday... someday when I’m more like you and less like me.

[@KlutzyNinjaKitty]

Adding on to this a little, maybe Barb could say something like, “In Highschool, I tried asking my crush out on a date. But I was so nervous I got sick/panicked right in front of them and they never talked to me again...”(pause while the actress looks sad.) “Have you ever been in love?” Idk, something like that.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

When i heard that Line i genuily thought Barbara was Liking Diana or Something like this

[@alaia-awakened]

"It's true, I don't get out much socially. " "What - not even a boyfriend?" There. Dialogue fixed.

[@underfirebutok]

That's so smooth actually holy smokes.

[@theboredman1450]

Damn that’s good

[@pittland44]

Like most great ideas simple and to the point.

[@anamariaramirez9341]

That's so good! 10/10!

[@tidyheidi9143]

Yep, that’s exactly how it would go. Writing realistic dialogue is as easy as knowing how people hound you about things they care about that others might not.

[@sageoz9886]

The message that it's okay to have a love affair with a stranger's unconscious body is a phenomenally poor writing choice

[@pittland44]

Where were the metoo people on that one?

[@110000116699]

@@pittland44 metoo isn't about sexual assaults in a movie scene it's about powerful Hollywood executives abusing there power over women a scene in a movie isnt Harvey Weinstein that said that scene was fucking offensive

[@pittland44]

@@110000116699 Hmm, well I actually appreciate your candor. I'm not sure if I 100% agree with you, but you are actually making a well reasoned, valid point about metoo. Which is not something that happens very often. My main gripe with the metoo stuff is Hollywood latching on to it for wokemon points while tinseltown has always been a breeder reactor for such behavior. Anyways, that's my two cents, cheers and God bless. 😁

[@jacobkilborn1738]

See "Meet Joe Black" for a tasteful version.

[@Urza26]

That's true. But I find it even more horrifying to have your soul displaced. I mean the soul leaving the body for that long is sort of like temporary death. It's unintentional horror.

[@chelseayell9885]

I literally laughed in theaters when she said "I want to be an apex peedator" bc I thought it was a joke. And then she turned into a cat, and I realized I was the joke all along.

[@ReddFoxx1562]

in theaters huh

[@TheDennys21]

Yeah you're the joke because you paid to watch this trash, bud don't feel bad, almost all movies these days are trash.

[@Werewolf.with.Internet.Access]

What’s worse is she’s a cheetah, the only cat in Africa who gets absolutely *bodied* by everyone that isn’t an antelope

[@wiggard]

​@@ReddFoxx1562 yeah?

[@ReddFoxx1562]

@@wiggard when was this in theaters

[@pazz1239]

Amateur bad writer:"Have you ever been in love?" Legendary bad writer: "Anyway hows your sex life?"

[@derekhofstetler3998]

Why does everyone looks like they are forcefully smiling while they actually want to go to the loo.

[@psmith2403]

@@Simo-un2zu "You are my best costumer"

[@tru8637]

GODLIKE bad writer: "gotsum dicc?"

[@jonathandavis8051]

Virgin armateur vs chad amateur

[@zwatkat4643]

@@psmith2403 customer*

[@ollliiver]

I genuinely thought that the moral of this movie was to give up on your dreams

[@empressjuly]

im screeeeeeaming. this is the message that cost over $100 mil to produce

[@syra1541]

actually same, i was so, so confused what the hell i was watching

[@jademonass2954]

gotta be honest, same

[@keyman245]

And it is

[@syra1541]

@Andrew Natanael Herijanto I'm sure that was the goal but it was presented in such a twisted awful way yk

[@sno7599]

"the most toxic moral ever" 13 reasons why peeking around the corner soflty whispering " hey psst if you kill yourself you get everything you ever wanted"

[@donnamitsuki281]

That show just... Sucks Why did it got four seasons again

[@ShatteredGlass916]

@@donnamitsuki281 because one suicide is not generate enough profit i guess lol

[@joshgroban5291]

@@donnamitsuki281 13 reasons why 13rw lasted that long

[@Literally-God]

It's the most morally bankrupt thing I've ever seen. Like the demographic it is for should NOT be watching it. Although if you're not a part of that demographic it's hilariously bad.

[@horsenuggets1018]

@@joshgroban5291 13 reasons why there are 13 reasons why 13rw lasted that long

[@Nocturnalux]

One of the weirdest things about this complete mess of a movie- and it is not the worst, just one that stood out to me by showing how little knowledge of, well, anything went into this movie- is how Barbara looks like the definite 80’s beauty. From the very voluminous blonde hair, to her body type and even attire, she is the exact kind of woman that the 80’s would idolize. Even the glasses are of the sexier kind, framing her light eyes perfectly. This becomes painfully obvious when you see her in typical 80’s training gear, she looks like she stepped from “Let’s Get Physical”. I mean, this would go even for today’s standards but in the 80’s, Barbara would be the ultimate in terms of mainstream aesthetics. I get that this is a trope, and it is always very bad, but the way it was handled here was perhaps even worse as they cast an actor who IS the impersonation of what the decade in question- the decade that’s in the title!- was known for. If anything, Diana would be the “ugly duckling” of the two. She is obviously gorgeous but the 80’s would not have elected her as “the beautiful one” of the two. And this could have been used to criticize the decade’s notions. If they wanted Barbara to be a victim, this would have been much better achieved by leaning into the way the decade fetishized women like her. She’s an academic, have her suffer by not being taken seriously by professors and peers. Not ignored or hated just cuz, but dismissed precisely because she is “the Barbie”. This could work, it’d be very relevant in the 80’s and could still be very relevant for our time.

[@strawberrylime33]

Well, you're thinking more than most of the people who worked on this film; what u said kinda makes sense. But WW1984 has a patchwork and nonsensical script where people forgot to think.

[@Nocturnalux]

@@strawberrylime33 It's amazing how absolutely nothing, at all, works in this movie. It's almost like effort was put into making sure NOTHING worked.

[@notinthemoodfornames8033]

I think historians specializing in public history would do this type of analysis for movies where they evaluate if the costumes and hair and accents and such are properly reflective of the time and place the story is set in, and when I took my ph class the professor told me that those historians (who watching historical movies that they know the history of) usually get extremely annoyed by how inaccurate things are, while ordinary people can't see anything at all and might even enjoy the movie. I feel like your observation is leaning into that area (even though 80s really wasn't that far away), but still, a valid critique.

[@Nocturnalux]

@@notinthemoodfornames8033 I mean, it doesn’t take an historian or even an expert of any kind, in this case.

[@ThootenTootinTabootin]

*Brabra

[@elipetrou9308]

It’s so stupid that they didn’t consider that even one person might have wished for the world to end or something. As soon as the whole wish granting thing happened, it’s highly probable that the world would have just ended

[@Bopperann]

Lots of contradictory wishes indeed and there is no time consistency in the granting of the various wishes. Like, surely there are people wishing for world peace or that all stupid people die or mass destruction/murder/ resurrection/ immorality/ fiction into reality, ect ect ect. Even if it is a monkey's paw, it'd be a free for for all. Wait wait... What if Bruce wishes to bring his parents back? Or Clark wishes back Krypton? Or Lex Luther wishes to be stronger than superman?

[@Coldheart322]

"I wish I was dead" - Someone overly suicidal, who now can't renounce their wish. "I wish I was on a tropical island" - Assuming teleportation is allowed, no more TV to show WW's message. "I wish all wishes were undone" - Cos no one should have that power, that's just stupid and reckless. It really does sound like the worse plot ever. Also was everyone's memory erased after the event? Cos I'm pretty sure that should have caused reprocussions.

[@Bopperann]

@@Coldheart322 omg I just thought, think of the children's wishes. That that's a movie I wanna see.

[@Mew_Mokuba_Akari]

@@Bopperann That's easy you should look up Supernatural episode Wishful Thinking. A little girl wishes her teddy bear alive. But since all wishes go haywire it wants to commit suicide..

[@Bopperann]

@@Mew_Mokuba_Akari I saw that episode 😆 Imagine that but x100 because far more children were making wishes! And I doubt the toddlers would be excluded so it'd be far worse than that _Honey I Blew Up the Baby_ movie. So giant kids with superpowers and imaginary friends. Super villains making wishes (I'd love to see the Arkham game series Joker make some wishes.) And what happens to contradicting wishes? Surely some are made at the same time? As it's monkey's paw rules, does that mean "I wish for the world to end" would just mean it ending as we know it?

[@bloodyneptune]

She clearly had no idea how to portray someone accidentally turning themselves into a cat. Its definitely not like that, and I think a certain lawyer on Zoom can attest to that.

[@WobblesandBean]

"Uhh.... I'm not a cat"

[@eirschu8973]

LMAO good one

[@lizp5004]

He was wayyy cuter, too!

[@robonator2945]

the only lawyer I know is the half asian super lawyer and that one idiot who simped so hard for captain marvel he tried to defend her breaking a dude's hand because he touched her map so I have no idea who you are referencing here

[@ronin4ortyse7en]

You seem to be a woman of culture!

[@NateLeonhart]

A fix to the end of the movie: Diana is said to have lost faith in humanity, with the events of BvS and Justice League finally bringing her faith back. So show it here; Diana begs humanity to rescind their wishes or the world will end, with the only other option being to kill Lord. Humanity refuses. At her wit's end, she is forced to kill Lord, depriving a child of his father and soiling her own hands for the sake of a race who couldn't be bothered to save themselves. Disgusted at what she's been forced into doing, she abandons her role as the savior of humanity and goes into the shadows until the events of BvS, where she comes face to face with the truth that humans are more complex than what she thought. Does it fix the movie? No, but at least it ties into the rest of the continuity. Also, you've got a new villain in Lord's kid, if you want to go that route.

[@kareemjoseph3569]

Damn that's a good and realistic ending.

[@hannahmoses5736]

THANK YOU

[@Marcelo-Vega]

They didn't even have to invent that, Wonder Woman breaks Maxwell Lord's neck to free Superman of his mind control during the Crisis of Infinite Earths or shortly before so the idea was already in the comics.

[@motivated2473]

Or maybe be more original, and the kid decides to move on with his life instead of following such a stupid path like revenge

[@Marcelo-Vega]

@@motivated2473 don't forget this is a superhero movie, stupid revenge plans are the bread and butter of this genre. 😂

[@GippyHappy]

I also feel like it should be mentioned that Diana has a really good life and tons of advantages like being an immortal super hero or whatever her deal is- so her saying “life is beautiful so you should give up your wish” rings very hollow. Yeah she has to give up a loved one, but this is a death she should have already come to terms with years ago, now having even more closure after seeing him again and getting to say goodbye again. Shouldn’t it be the Cheetah lady saying this line, at least?

[@PhelesDragon]

I haven't thought about this movie enough to come to any sort of depthful conclusions about it, but this is a *damn* good point.

[@falconeshield]

​@PhelesDragon I would've had Steve tell Diana straight forward that he didn't belong in our world as a frozen man from the 40s. He didn't live the 40 year gap between WW2 and 84, so he didn't grow with the changing world like Diana did. I also would've had Steve tell Diana that he could feel he was in an incubator while he was in his new magic body (no grape issue, the body Steve gets has 24 hours to become permanent) because the wish got his soul out of a baby currently in a coma because of Diana's selfish wish. Some weight in Diana's wish and a chance for her and Steve to meet again beyond the afterlife. Like this, Diana either has an option to move on with Cheetah (her being a good guy for a change) or wait for Steve to grow and meet him again. As an immortal herself it ain't creepy. Better than her graping an unconscious man until she tires of Steve's face in weeks.

[@chimominino]

It's almost as hollow as Gal Gadot getting all her celebrity friends to sing "Imagine" from their mansions during a pandemic. Not sure why this came to mind 🤔

[@PhelesDragon]

@@chimominino because as the rest of the world was suffering from their cramped apartments, the top 1% of the top 1% decided we were all in the exact same boat and wanted to share their struggles.

[@itap8880]

I think the scene would be so much easier to do well without the whole "people see the truth". Just use the "one has to speak true" power and use it on whatever the wish-granting force inside Max is. Unless of course it cannot work due to some rules established in another movie.

[@AnnoyingMoose]

"What about character motivation?" "We'll fix it in post." BEST FILMMAKING JOKE EVER!!

[@huntsman9316]

Why was no one talking about how this poor random man’s life was taken from him by a ghost, and Diana was willing to make it permanent. She didn't have a second thought about it. They didn't even gloss over this.

[@jalifritz8033]

Council of geek has an entire video about that.

[@icebill2]

Don't forget about the fact that they had sex with that guy body and he probably wasn't aware of it happening.

[@viddork]

@@icebill2 I'd say it'd be worse if he _was_ aware of it.

[@TheTsar1918]

No one is talking about it because it was a MAN. And the ideology these days states that men have had it their way for eons and its time they got the flip side of the coin. You don't need to look far to see that Gadot ignores this thought, and Jenkins replies to the same scenario with laughter, via Twitter.

[@mar8408]

@@TheTsar1918 i think they domt cosidered that part tho, also if is a woman, man or etc, sleeping with someone without their consent is r*pe. also. what ideology are talking you about? equal gender oportunities doesnt mean that we like seing men getting r*ped.

[@matthewchandra7072]

when you pointed out Barbara saying "have you ever been in love" my head immediately jumped to "anyway how's your sex life" in The Room

[@pittland44]

I did not hit her! I did not! It's bullshit! Oh, hi Mark!

[@ilikeyourname4807]

@@pittland44 Don't forget the bottle

[@noosaibazahrah1318]

pittland44 lol I thought I was the only one

[@alexrossi2985]

I was looking for this comment, glad I found it

[@Xehanort10]

Or the bit where Wiseau goes "Do yew understand loif? Do yew?" to Lisa. That's how the words you and life sound when he says them.

[@fencserx9423]

The fact that they didn’t even attempt the basic human exchange “You’re very pretty” “No I’m not” “No really, Im sure if you styled your hair, a bit of makeup. You’d get a boyfriend no problem” “You think?” “Absolutely” “So what about you? How’d you meet your boyfriend” “Oh… um… No I don’t have one… well I did but… ” “What? Who would break up with you? “No. It wasn’t a breakup” “…Oh my God im so sorry” “No No don’t worry… it was a long time ago” Like… that is NOT great dialogue. I wrote it in 5 minutes. But it’s at least a dialogue.

[@axe5745]

I honestly thought Barbara was in love with Diana for like 20 minutes during the movie.

[@fabianzambrano4746]

LOL SAME

[@EM-vw7im]

Honestly probably would have been better for the story. A lot you can do with unrequited love as a plot device.

[@Nico-gs8il]

Wait, she was not?

[@greeneyesgirl467]

Something that sounds both gay and homophobic.... Lol

[@areomorales6511]

I refused to believe she wasn’t in love with her honestly, I thought she’d help Diana move on from Steve or something while being a bi icon

[@swa7169]

Biggest example of "unintentionally harmful" entertainment: Thirteen Reasons Why. It's basically a suicidal teenagers fantasy of how things will play out after they kill themselves.

[@Soulthief4056]

Not exactly. The show is kinda toxic, but very good at representing the pain suicide can have on ones friends and family. I didn’t get emotional until I watched the scene where Hannah’s parents found her body. That brought tears to my eyes.

[@nicken8r]

@@Soulthief4056 the depiction of her tapes and motivations comes across as a revenge fantasy. That is dangerous on its own, not to mention the portrayal of mental health

[@swa7169]

@@Soulthief4056 The problem is that it functionally shows her speaking and acting from beyond the grave and using her own death to solve problems. Not what the writer intended, but just a huge blindspot.

[@mr_motivated7061]

"Unintentionally" No, dude, those people know exactly what they're doing.

[@sosasroamaccount]

13RW having suicide hotlines at the end is a fucking joke when whole show revolves around how everybody becomes guilty that you commited suicide and acts the way you wanted them to when you were alive. A suicidal person wants that and might believe that.

[@badguybob1174]

Me, a 15 year old writing fanfiction: yeah that's fair

[@thenbhdenthusiast3699]

@@Yigash wtf

[@Mica_T]

Ngl, I've seen fanfiction better written than this movie

[@SuperSteve180]

Awww come on, your fanfiction can't be THIS bad.

[@badguybob1174]

I wasn't saying fanfic is as bad as this garbage. I'm saying the tropes he mentions are for the most part common in fanfic.

[@monkii5258]

Majority of fan fiction is better than this pile of garbo - this writing is something you make up after drinking a few too many and after seeing 90s comic book movies

[@juancabardo21]

If you realize that the protagonist is using the body of her love interest for her own sexual and romantic desires without his consent, this turns from a superhero movie to a dark bleak horror real quick.

[@adamh8876]

The body of a stranger, not her love interest.

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

Indeed. They talk about what’s happening in the text of the movie and yet still no-one thought to say “no, Diana wouldn’t even contemplate doing something so disgusting” - not for 1 minute. Maybe if he shows up looking like Chris Pine, and then later they both discover he’s occupying the “space” of a real person, and they confront that price as being too high to pay for their continued love, and that spurs her decision to reject the wish, then it works (conjuring him entirely from thin air doesn’t satisfy the monkey’s paw requirement of the wishes - you have to lose something too).

[@ThatIrishRose317]

And while we are seeing Chris Pine, the movie isn’t even ambiguous about the fact that *the dude looks like the original guy the entire time*. It’s not like she has the wish and her love interest walks out and she’s blind to the fact that it’s a mirage and it’s another guy’s body underneath the glamour. At least then, this element would’ve felt less… well it’s still icky but at least icky in the direction of the wish granting statue and not in the direction of Diana

[@zachclawges6932]

"I want to be an apex predator" is such a stupid line. It's one of the many in this movie that don't make sense. HUMANS ARE ALREADY APEX PREDATORS. THAT WOULD BE NO CHANGE

[@williamstark9568]

Does komodos and tigers eating us count or do apex predators eating apex predators not count?

[@zachclawges6932]

@@williamstark9568 no that doesn't count because humans aren't a natural food source to those animals. Elephants can and do kill lions, but the lion is still the apex predator. You become an apex predator when you're at the very top of your respective food chain, there is no animal that relies on your species as part of it's natural diet. Humans aren't a natural part of any animal's diet, we are the very top of our food chain. We're apex predators. Not only that, but humans are actually the most dominant apex predator in the world, so becoming anything else is technically a downgrade because humans are already the world's most dangerous predators

[@commandercat10]

@@zachclawges6932 that is neat

[@CarloisBuriedAlive]

I also like that the line after was “like something that has never been seen before” and then the stone turns her into a creature that exists in nature lol

[@captainahab5522]

We aren’t apex predators We are hyper-predators we hunt and kill apex predators for fun or food

[@cosmicdarkmatter1128]

Villain: "I'll uSe nUkEs tO dEstrOy thE wOrLd!!" Wonder Woman: "uh, your son is IN the world?!??!! " Villain:" DOH !!!" the End...

[@BoredGhostInk]

Reminded me of the Guardians of The Galaxy scene where Starlord yells at Rocket “uh Yeah I’m one of the idiots living in it!!”

[@ahmedamine24]

Rocket: "Why would we want to save the Galaxy? What has it ever done for us?" Starlord: "Because we're among the idiots who *live in it.*" Flawless logic, literally.

[@nbewarwe]

@Franca Wong Not even the dumbest of fish will fall for such obvious bait

[@oH_._]

@@nbewarwe Give it time, there is always someone that will bite the bait

[@sprinkelle1165]

@Franca Wong fishing rod

[@Tink00]

Honestly that "have you ever been in love" moment could have been *completely* fixed if they'd just had an awkward pause. They run out of things to talk about, they both kinda glance around, then Barbara asks a question she thinks will kind of restart the conversation. Literally nothing in the script changes, and you add like 6 seconds to the runtime.

[@JTm0nsteR]

Would also give characterization to Barbara by making her look even more socially awkward. And it would be actually funny

[@fabianhebestreit3240]

This movie is already 18 hours long and you want to add even more seconds?

[@Here_is_Waldo]

@@fabianhebestreit3240 If it was interesting, yes. I don't understand why movies have to be less than an hour and half or people complain about how long they are.

[@fabianhebestreit3240]

@@Here_is_Waldo They don't have to be. But we aren't talking about well-paced long movies like Magnolia or Love Exposure. WW84 is a movie that is definitely 40 minutes too long and feels endless.

[@yesno7889]

@@Here_is_Waldo for me I just wanna get out of the cinema ASAP from just how cringey it was, I’d rather be out of the cinema a second faster than have just one scene be slightly more tolerable. I thoroughly regret inviting my friends along.

[@goosiesmoosies]

Just wanna be clear that the old idiom of no one can love you if you don't love yourself is a harmful message too. A lot of people struggle with self love but the support and care of those around them is a great help. No one should have to conquer their depression or anxiety etc by themselves just to show they're worthy of love.

[@Dragorosso95]

THANK YOU

[@_Sloppyham]

The advice might work and apply to some people, it’s just that no advice is universal

[@justabearbrowsingyoutube4968]

Actually that message helped greatly throughout my life. It means to me that one cannot accept the fact others love them, if they don't have a proper concept of love for themselves. You may think it's harmful, but it is fact that no matter how much others love and care for you, you will never accept or appreciate... That is if your concept of love is negative when directed towards yourself or in general.

[@Dr.LightMarker5613]

That sounds like an excuse. If you aren't comfortable with who and what you are, how can you live a fulfilling life?

[@artyb27]

​​​​@@Dr.LightMarker5613"being loved" and "living a fulfilling life" are not the same thing. The point being made is that even people with crippling self-loathing can and often are loved, it just makes it _more difficult_ for people to love them. I don't understand why we as a society collectively agreed that telling people who already hate themselves that "no-one else loves you and they won't until you love yourself" is a good idea, rather than potential sui-fuel.

[@elvibora6218]

That's the most sarcastic “wow you're so funny” I've ever heard. Gal gadot's delivery was borderline criminal

[@alexbennet4195]

I honestly thought that was the point, initially - that WW was trying to be snarky. But I guess not.

[@ljjjordan1175]

Nah bro, it's just she was trying to show how powerful of a woman she was by not showing emotion. You see, Patty Jenkins here was showing woman power, it was all on purpose, I swear

[@marshmallowvampire8503]

It is.😄😄😄 I was never super critical of this movie, but that whole conversation was very artificial.

[@Jay-Jones]

Worst person they could have picked to play someone as fiery and commanding as Wonder Woman. Been saying that since the first movie.

[@elvibora6218]

@@Jay-Jones that's why I like perfectionist directors. There's no way Tarantino is letting her get away with delivery like that

[@garf293]

Ten year old Bruce Wayne in 1984. "I can't believe I'm grounded...I wish I didn't have parents..."

[@StarWarsomania]

🎺🎺 *sad trombone noises*

[@Mactav3]

His parents died earlier in 1981

[@isaiahthomas9817]

@@Mactav3 he probably wished them back, but was forced to renounce his wish or something idk

[@thesurvivorssanctuary6561]

@@isaiahthomas9817 WW: Please, rescind your wish! Bruce: 👁👄👁

[@Mactav3]

@@isaiahthomas9817 Or I like to think that Bruce was so traumatized and jaded he thought Maxwell's promise was a lie and ignored it.

[@guidoguido2245]

I actually wrote a little skeleton of a story when I was 14 where the villain’s goal was: "I’m going to destroy the universe." But even I was considerate enough to give him a motivation and a reason and a plan and a backstory. Boy, how these writers fucked up...

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

Was the villian self aware of the fact he was trapped within a fictional story, so he decides to do everything in his power to fight 'you' the writer and destroy everything you made?

[@golden.fire.princess9653]

@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. I would love to read that

[@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou.]

@@golden.fire.princess9653 "Deadpool kills the marvel univeres" comes to mind.

[@Pablo360able]

I had an idea once for a story where the villain wants to destroy the sun because, and I quote: “I don't know if it'll help in any way, but I'll never know unless I try.” That would have been more believable.

[@shihoblade]

@@DoomguyIsGrinningAtYou. reminds me of a story called omniscient reader. The characters are forced to risk their lives to maintain the entertainment of the gods. The reader is encouraged to hate the gods until you realize you are one of the gods in question. If the the story bores you, you stop reading, and the universe simply fades away. That story is very interesting in how they approach audience vs participant.

[@chill_dude3295]

1:18:00 To say “this is the kind of thing that you would expect to see written by like a fifteen year old” is an insult to fifteen year writers

[@RealMakotoYuki]

Although being a year younger, truly. My friends are absolutely better than this, and honestly I can't believe he would defame and (opposite of libel) us teens. Atleast 'Super Kitty Adventures' (original fiction my friend made, not online though. I should really tell her to do that) has passion and soul put into it.

[@Felrohan]

People overlook the fact that WW raped the man that Steve was possessing... The hero of the film... rapes a man. This is a AAA title made as a family film by DC. wtf

[@dankllamas6984]

Its fine because she's a woman This fact was brought to you by mega sjws

[@sin9346]

@@dankllamas6984 I can't see twitter being happy about that either?? lol they seem pretty against men being raped too

[@buzzardbeatniks]

Really? Everyone I heard comment on the film at any length brought it up.

[@localpleb3875]

@@dankllamas6984 omg no one thinks rape is okay, no matter who’s doing it

[@dankllamas6984]

@@localpleb3875 while don't have the source on hand for a person thinking rape is ok, i can find a video of people saying animals can consent to sex Edit: i think it was deleted

[@zohaibsaleem5599]

This guy deserves an Oscar for making a movie out of a bad movie

[@sirgabealot01]

Disaster Artist: The Sequel 😂

[@kangthetitan5068]

U watched the whole thing could never be me this is like cw flash but with wonder woman

[@ollytherevenant1653]

My only issue is, while I don’t disagree that the movie has bad dialogue, the example was pretty weak. The conversation being poorly segmented fits Barbara as a character, which even he states in the video is a shy social outcast. With that information it makes sense she would awkwardly carry a conversation in that manner so the argument against the dialogue in this video feels a bit weak, when there’s other examples that would have made for a more compelling point. Otherwise this was an excellent video.

[@caseyissheep]

*Good movie out of a bad movie

[@markuzthe0ne]

You should check out a KZbinr Moviebob. He did this for Batman vs Superman, and it's this same length... 3 times over. He made a trilogy out of a bad movie.

[@Zikar]

The whole "renounce your wish" bit seems to be written by someone who has never had to actually struggle with anything in life.

[@AshrafAnam]

Geoff Johns

[@elavedelosaugurios704]

Probably it is

[@keyman245]

"Wanting something is bad"

[@robofistsrevenge3288]

This movie broke me mentally and emotionally. Not just because of all the reasons you mentioned here and more, but because the first Wonder Woman movie is arguably the most enjoyable and downright earnest superhero movie I had seen since Raimi's first Spidey film. It blew me away and immediately shot up to the top 5 of my all-time favorite superhero movies of all time. I felt inspired to be a better person after leaving the theater. Then '84 happened and _holy fuck._

[@jerkchickenblog]

if a superhero movie (and not even the 'best' superhero movie in your eyes, only the best since ...) can break you 'mentally and emotionally' then you are in need of real psychological help. get help`

[@Icetea-2000]

Earnest? I didn’t like how the germans are portrayed as evil. It was the first world war that was incredibly grey yet Hollywood is unable to write a war story that isn’t based on the second world war. I just would’ve liked if they portrayed the germans more fairer here and not demonize them while romanticizing britain. This really has an influence on people’s minds, many are not going to know anything about the first world war and are just going to be influenced by how it’s presented there

[@ShoreFell]

WW84 is terrible, and maybe I wasn’t the target audience for the first film, but I didn’t find it enjoyable. Better than the sequel absolutely, but some writing choices were just as bad and dialogue is something that DC writers just haven’t been good at ever. It’s interesting to hear that you loved the first one so much and hated WW84 when I don’t like either. I’m curious as to what you liked about the first one that made it better than any other superhero film since Raimi’s original Spider-Man? I feel as though 80% of the Marvel catalogue is better than any DCU film produced so far, with the other 20% being about as bad.

[@Icetea-2000]

@@ShoreFell Let me tell you, the simple fact that a worse movie came out. Or not just worse, a newer movie rather. It’s always the same, new movie comes out, people start talking about how much better the earlier one was no matter how bad or good it was. Same thing happened with the Terminator franchise, suddenly godawful movies like T3 that were hated for a good reason when they came out are seen as part of some Terminator holy grail just because Genisys and Dark Fate are newer and were even worse.

[@yanasto]

My daughter LOVED the first Wonder Woman movie. She is 8 years old now and apart from a couple small parts of the original movie it was a good family film. She really badly wanted to see WW84 and so we previewed it. What a disappointment. We couldn’t let her watch it.

[@ddichny]

Not only did Steve and Wonder Woman (mis)use the man's hijacked body for sex, there were also countless action scenes in which they risked killing or maiming the guy by engaging in dangerous activities like getting shot at, nearly getting run over, and more.

[@christaylor7916]

Lol

[@cgkase6210]

Something I saw from Psychonauts 2 fits that very weird ignorance of it not really being Steve "Ah. No. These are borrowed lips." Or something like that. Like it recognizes that doing that is kind of a weird and fucked up thing to do, which 1984 doesn't even touch on

[@johnynoway9127]

​@@cgkase6210 difference: Psychonauts is always crazy and weird 24/7 the whole world is full of weirdoes that it basically offends everyone and everything lol

[@dracodracarys2339]

at least make a statue of steve trevor come to life or something would be funny if he was just a bust statue that has to hop around on his neck like the Pixar lamp

[@norrecvizharan1177]

@@johnynoway9127 Just kinda funny how Psychonauts is a whole world full of weirdoes, yet they have more common sense than "grounded" settings like DC and Marvel.

[@MrPrankmastergeneral]

I never got why Barbara's character went evil. II honestly have no idea what they were thinking when writing her arc. Moral of the story is if you are unattractive, insecure, socially awkward, just don't try to change because ... reasons?

[@Neutral_Tired]

that was her punishment for her wish, she lost her humanity

[@j.b9218]

(Edit: added spaces because this is near illegible otherwise lol) Same here, but I think it's her lack of a good motive to blame. Like, ok, from the start of the movie, she and Diana hit it off well when they meet. They're friendly to each other when they talk, and because of the atrocious dialogue, seem a little TOO friendly than what the writers were shooting for (I'm still bitter about that). But Barbara's fascination with Diana didn't clearly transition into jealousy and outright hostility when she got her superpowers. The movie largely ignores their dynamic in favor of focusing on Steve and Diana, like seriously if you cut her out of the movie entirely, the movie remains pretty much the exact same. She only inconveniences Diana from getting to the main villain as Barbara takes to protect him even though she arguably knows him LESS than she knows Diana through their acquaintanceship because the writers couldn't think of anything better to connect the two than "eh just throw 'em in a relationship". So, what real grudge does she have against Diana besides being jealous?? That by itself is such a stupid thing to motivate her because it just adds to stereotype that women will attack other women for the most minute things and aren't allowed to have a deeper motivation than "I wanted men to look at me instead of her". It's so dumb! And it makes me so pissed off.

[@audreypasternak8270]

@@Neutral_Tired Which sucks worse bc that robbed her of any agency. It would've been better had it compounded bitterness she was already harboring towards Diana and her situation. Something, anything to raise the personal stakes.

[@kirbyfazendoummoonwalk9214]

The Whole Moral of the Movie is bad "If your Life Sucks, Dont Wish for the best because its not gonna Happen"

[@hariman7727]

The ATTEMPTED moral is that of "Don't try to be someone else, be a better you instead." But that's lost in "She made wishes to be the hero so now she's the villain... and probably dead."

[@inasaira8380]

i dont understand why steve had to come back in another mans body. the nukes at the end appeared literally out of thin air so why couldn't steve appear out of thin air and avoid the rapey implications.

[@Xanthriel]

Shadiversity made a very good video on how wrong the fact that Steve came back in another mans body was, especially when he and Diana sleep together in the movie.

[@liamtreat5194]

There is potential for the plotline, if him coming back in some else’s body is the cost. Diana’s happiness would come at the expense of someone else’s. But they decided to go for the boring, overdone “I’m losing my powers”, so the whole thing just comes off as bizarre.

[@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343]

I think they could have made something work with Steve’s body being manifested from the magic rather than having him trapped in another guy’s body. I mean so many things were conjured out of nowhere because of the wishes. Why couldn’t they do the same with Steve?

[@megadiancie751]

I mean, maybe the rock knew about the implications and decided to try and take away Diana's heroism along with her powers as what makes her Wonder Woman? But like that's obviously complete fanwank, Jenkins didn't think about it like that for a second and the movie didn't consider condemning the situation for half of one.

[@lewisheard1882]

I walked out the cinema and said the exact same thing

[@MsOkayAwesome]

I love your empathy for that 14 year old girl. As someone who's been there, thank you for caring.

[@UnagioLucio]

I pretend that the reason Steve feels like a cardboard cutout in this movie is that the stone didn't bring the real Steve's consciousness back to life. It possessed a man's body and made it behave according to Wonder Woman's memory of Steve and how she expected/wanted him to act. The stone didn't resurrect Steve so much as it created a crude copy of him. This could have set up a convincingly tragic subplot where Diana is initially swept up in the euphoria of being reunited with her lost love, so she doesn't notice or denies all the subtle ways in which "Steve's" mannerisms feel just a bit off. But as the emotional high starts to fade, Diana notices more and more how Steve's behavior, while not dangerous or sinister, feels stilted and artificial. Maybe he's never unhappy or frustrated. Maybe he never says anything about his past life that Diana herself didn't already know. Maybe he only ever says the things that Diana wants to hear, rather than what she needs to hear. Diana could be forced to face the painful truth that this isn't Steve, that the stone has been lying to her this whole time by merely projecting a phantom that she desperately wanted to believe was the real Steve. Wonder Woman could have an emotional moment of character development where she finally accepts the truth that Steve is still dead and that no wish can bring him back. Maybe the stone's control of this male stranger can gradually weaken, so the mind of the body's original occupant starts trying to reassert itself. This could be shown as an internal battle for control where the real man is scared, angry, in pain, and confused about what's happening to him. This would further drive home the message that the stone grants wishes at a terrible human cost. Wonder Woman could see this and acknowledge that her wish was a terrible mistake, that it's selfish and unfair for her to override this stranger's bodily autonomy just to flirt with the phantom of her lost love. She'd have even more of a personal emotional stake in preventing/undoing all the other wishes and in destroying the stone for good. But instead we just got awkward scenes of Steve and Diana flirting and doing the do with the body of a stranger who can't consent.

[@pauljcampbell2997]

Erin I think you are spot on. I had this exact same thought. I don't think Steve ever actually came back. Only Diana saw him as Steve. Everyone else saw him as the handsome man. I think Steve's persona was created by Diana's memories. Every wish granted came with a trick. The stone took Diana's powers, but the trick was that it wasn't really Steve. Steve himself at the end said "I'm already gone". My theory is that Steve didn't die in the first movie. The clue is, the pilot he knocked out had a parachute! He parachuted off the plane moments before it blew. Erin, I don't know your age group but in the late 80's/early 90's we had a show called Quantum Leap. Scott Bakula's character would "leap" into other people's bodies and take them over to sort out problems in their life. Once completed, he would leap into another person. Back then we just accepted it I guess. I think this was Patty's idea. By the way, I liked WW84 and I think digging a little deeper into it, it's not quite as simple or flawed as first thought. Anyway, your comment was a great one. Thanks!

[@MrAlien-cr4xb]

Holy….. That sounds like such a good movie

[@aawillma]

The entire time I watched the movie I thought that's what was going on. Chris Pine's acting was uncharacteristically stiff and not at all like his portrayal in the first movie. I kept waiting for the reveal that it wasn't really him but it never came.

[@beetheimmortal]

Your idea is great. The one they actually wrote is sick and disgusting.

[@zackyvwasin339]

And the fact that when she has Sex with him, it could easily be considered as RAPE

[@aurahoneydew9607]

And let's not forget how *SHIT* Wonder Woman's speech was at the end of the movie.

[@TintedVisionMovies]

For me that was one of the few decent scenes, wasn’t powerful, was just acceptable

[@rananawito3526]

I can’t get over the fact that this speech was also targeted at parents who wished their kids weren’t sick anymore, poor people who wished for food or little kids who wished for their dead parents back or toys or some crap, just good people wishing for normal good things. So her entire speech was just dumb to me and I hated it.

[@PrechtGaebolgHades]

Well she was rehearsing "Imagine" but in a speechy style.

[@truepotential206]

It was worse than the love letter i wrote in the name of my crush when i was 12 and decided it was shit and flushed it down the toilet

[@PrimmsHoodCinema]

15:12 We all have our struggles.... _Anyway how's your sex life?_

[@jadynmurrell80]

nonexistent

[@MasterofBeats]

nonexistent

[@yesno7889]

nonexistent

[@TintedVisionMovies]

Oh hi Mark

[@connersnow2173]

@@TintedVisionMovies Your tearing me apart Lisa!

[@crystalcrusader711]

So late to the conversation on this one, but I am autistic. I had very little exposure to social interactions, because I was the weird introverted kid. I learned social standards from TV and movies. It was the only thing I could. I learned never to compliment myself, because all the mean girl bullies do that, and I don’t want to be one of those. I learned that all bad acts should be forgiven if apologized for, regardless of context, because that’s what the heroes did. I learned that when a friendship is rocky, it will always heal if the two people fighting are good people, because that’s what always happened. I learned many bad things from media because of this. It made my self esteem rocky, my apologies hollow, and my friend breakups heart breaking. Now I try to subvert those lessons and teach hopefully but realistic lessons about the world, so those who read that are in my position can learn something better. We all need to be aware of the accidental morals we teach, both on a blatant and subtextual level.

[@jemp4291]

I was thinking about how Steve being resurrected, and how he reacted to that, and I think I came up with a good way to use that in the story more intentionally, and to also do away with the idea of him taking over another person's body. Okay, let's say Steve gets resurrected somehow (without the body take over). He comes back, and is handling things pretty well, which surprises Diana but she's just so happy that she doesn't really think too hard on it. But then the film moves on, and Steve starts to act off. Maybe he's repeating himself, or using the same lines over and over again, or somehow there's another person alive who knew Steve and they meet him too. However, that person is just like, "That's not Steve. It looks like him, it acts like him, but...thats not him." Anyway, Diana goes more and more down the rabbit hole until it's revealed that this Steve? He's merely a projection of what Diana knew of him during their time together. There's no substance beyond that point. He's not a person anymore, but instead something akin to an advance NPC. Impressive, almost life like, but not truely alive. I think that could fall in line with the moral of the story of how you shouldn't just wish for things to be true. It lacks substance, and in that way Steve could be a more integral part of the story

[@ellielevy9086]

This would make such a good movie

[@bhafferty5184]

That's amazing

[@gabrielaaraujo4124]

It reminds me of Vision

[@diip-ali1228]

That would be so dark but so good

[@ccb6013]

That concept would go waaaaaaay over Patty Jenkins' head.

[@waterlily7903]

Hey, don’t diss fan fictions like that. I’ve read many that are faaaaarrrrrrr better than whatever WW1984 was trying to be

[@jonathandavis8051]

Ok, to be fair, there are actually a lot of underapriciated fanfiction writers. Some are REALLY good. I started with fanfiction, and I was pretty good for my age. If I wrote consistently since then, I'd probably be an actual author already XD

[@leslie_grace]

All the Young Dudes is ELITE

[@sageleaf8962]

I just came from reading a amazing fan fic and I thought this thing too

[@SaSPonchICo]

Fanfiction doesn't have the same production value as a Hollywood script, that's why comparing the script to the fanfiction always does the former (but not the latter) a disservice. It's not that fanfics are bad. It's that people can achieve better results having much less resources and experience.

[@MegaTaximan]

He wasn't. He specifically dissed FIFTEEN YEAR OLD'S FF...

[@Rajeenik]

That moral is totally what shocked me. I understand that the moral is "take no shortcut". However, what the movie shows is Diana, the semi-goddess, princess of the Amazons, strong, confident in herself, very smart, very beautiful, very social is judging Barbara, the nerd that is ignored by everybody around her, for "not being herself and whishing to be someone else". The movie is trying to make us see the world through the eyes of Diana, and that if Diana thinks Barabara is funny, and smart, then she must be. However, the movie makes no effort at all to show us that Barabara is actually like that. Instead we just see that her life, her reality, is very different that what Diana's see. In the end, the movie ends up showing us the perfect Diana with the moral high ground judging Barabara for not "accepting that life is hard, and that you must overcome it on your own". But which hardship has Diana lived and overcome at this point in her life to be able to be so righteous ? Losing a game after cheating when she was a child, and seeing a guy she has known for less than a month die, 40 years ago. What the hell ?

[@omnipotentfaces1514]

Yeah it sucks and just perpetuates toxic standards that already exist for women especially. To be good, smart and strong you must also be beautiful and they are synonymous

[@rijjhb9467]

@@omnipotentfaces1514 Actually, a prominent characteristic of the patriarchal society is that a woman must not be attractive, possibly even masculine, in order to be considered smart/strong. While beautiful women are considered dumb. I don't know where you're getting your standards from.

[@maddieb.4282]

@@rijjhb9467 just….. no.

[@hariman7727]

@@omnipotentfaces1514 So it's basically a mirror of how Hollywood views the world, and of how many women tear each other down because women fight battles socially instead of physically.

[@bad-people6510]

There's no greater illustration of how badly the writers of the DCEU misunderstand these characters than having Wonder Woman allow Maxwell Lord to walk free while Superman breaks a man's neck. Fate really handed us that one.

[@oops6876]

I think an easier way to word the messy theme of Barbara’s character is this: Aspiring to be hot and confident makes you a bad person.

[@dapperdavid3193]

Don't go to the gym, don't wear nice cloths and absolutely don't be confident in front of your colleagues

[@oops6876]

@@dapperdavid3193 NEVER take off your glasses nor let your hair down. It’s villainous.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

@@dapperdavid3193 Never, EVER, aspire to be all you can be... never aspire to self-improve.

[@Bowserjr-wi4dn]

@@Nyet-Zdyes This is an instance where joining the dark side is honestly the better option.

[@stefansauvageonwhat-a-twis1369]

Be quirky

[@katevgrady]

Here I was so distracted by all the rape that I didn't even consider the whole "trying to become a better person will ruin you" narrative.

[@maxkordon]

So much wrong with it, but honestly we should just be happy with how it is and stop wishing to have better movies made instead

[@BilamanaJika]

@@maxkordon what a wise human being😂

[@donutguy1281]

@@maxkordon or convince them to make better movies in the future...

[@lincolnduke]

Here's a weird thing, have you seen Coming 2 America yet? Everyone was in uproar over WonderWomans rape scene but in Coming 2 America Eddie Murphie's character gets drugged and is so out of it he thinks he's having sex with an animal. In fact it's important to the plot that he didnt know it was happenning, but no one seems bothered over that?

[@spaghetto9836]

Alright, that's enough... I'm pretending this movie didn't happen. Only the 1st WW is canon in my eyes, just like the DC comics where Batman is actually a good father.

[@Xehanort10]

The worst part about the Diana and Steve thing is that when Steve actually points out how wrong it is that he's stolen that guy's body Diana says she doesn't care and just wants him. Our "heroine" everybody. The whole "Everybody takes back their wishes because the truth" was stupid as well. There will have been people who wished to have dead loved ones back, wished to be cured or have family members cured of serious illnesses, poor and homeless people wishing their way out of poverty, people who can't have kids wishing for them and so on. Then there'd be more selfish people like greedy rich people wanting more money and power, someone wishing for a person they don't like to die or something. So no way would literally everyone take their wishes back. Is Diana even known to the world in the film? Because if she isn't there's no way they're going to listen to a random woman telling them that. And if she is then Wonder Woman or not some people still won't listen.

[@LordDaret]

The only solution to such a predicament as this is usually to eliminate the source of the problem: the crystal. The severity is too wide spread to simply ask people to unwish in a timely manner, so simply create a paradox and wish that at the moment when the first person found the crystal and picked it up, it shattered into dust. It would prevent the destruction of the world via bootstrap.

[@kingcole5977]

Everyone being asked by Diana to give up their wish: "After All, Why Not? Why Shouldn't I Keep It?"

[@donnamitsuki281]

@@LordDaret so... Kill the dude I mean he literally made the stupid decision of _becoming_ the crystal Edit: misread. I get what you're doing. Who the hell would make the wish tho? How would that work? Diana's wish took away her powers. Is that were the paradox starts? The crystal can't take something from Diana cause it doesn't exist?

[@donnamitsuki281]

Bringing a loved one back to life is fucked up. Shown by Steve,the loved one itself doesn't come back,it's just the soul in another body. So... Don't you think it would be as bad as what Diana did? As fucked up and wrong? You have to let people go... Everything else tho,I feel like Monkey's Paw would come to them sooner or later,sadly.

[@LordDaret]

@@donnamitsuki281 if the crystal could not maintain its form and shattered into dust the moment it took Diana’s powers, then no one could have used it (I have not watched any DC universe movies/ read comics aside from this review, so I may be lacking some info about its creation.)

[@XX-sp3tt]

22:19 So she has absolutely nothing in common with Comics Cheetah. Cheetah was also able to stand toe to toe with Wonder Woman because she was the sole worshipper of a forgotten god of the hunt.

[@jaxj968]

oh yeah!! i’d completely forgotten about that

[@christophersheets5452]

So what you’re saying is Lego Ninjago Season 6 did the whole “don’t wish; work for it” moral so much better

[@sabretoothstudios9142]

You amazing person

[@clairemontgomery9286]

true culture is right here along with "believe in the heart of the cards"

[@r.j.penfold]

Big oof

[@casualobserver3853]

Tbf lego ninjago did a lot better on many things

[@teddyfurstman1997]

Indeed it is. Also, Kid Cosmic (A New Netflix Cartoon from PPG Craig McCracken) does that better too.

[@itsmeemrys9221]

Not only is it a women directed movie poorly representing men, it’s a woman directed and wrote movie poorly depicting women and adding to their stereotypes it does both! especially with female friendships and just how science lady is treated and reacts to her newfound popularity, it like ugh I hate this movie so much

[@WobblesandBean]

That's what saddens me. Then men point to this and go "SEE? Women can't make good movies, this is three problem with feminism forcing this BS representation nonsense, and now we all gotta suffer through this" But like...no. Just, no. That's not how any of that works, as if men don't ruin popular franchises, but it hardly matters to them. They'll take any justification they can get. And the worst part is, _Hollywood execs listen._ Now they think female led films are box office poison, and if they DO want to appeal to the female demographic, then they gotta bash men and fill it with toxic messages like "it's wrong to wish for things".

[@1000000man1]

@@WobblesandBean How do you not realise that you have Just made the *same* generalisation about Men? You've literally Just put words in People's mouths and claimed that statement represents what men think and say.

[@RevolutionaryLoser]

@@WobblesandBean I mean, Wonderwoman 1was pretty good and the men are put on a pedestal as the ultimate force of love in the universe that gives meaning to life and the same shitlords hated that. I don't think anybody honestly thinks the problem here is the director's gender. To be fair, I don't believe directors can be held responsible for everything. It's a scriptwriters job to write jokes and make dialogue natural. Also, I guess a lot of people were sleeping at the wheel to allow this much rape and sexual assault in their superhero movie. Remember all those memorable sexual assault scenes in your favourite superhero movie? I don't.

[@myiachanmagicalgirl]

You're right, this movie vilifies the female friendships which perpetuated toxic narrative that women don't need friends only love interest

[@motivated2473]

@@WobblesandBean 🤡

[@toganium4175]

I love how Wonder Woman tells everyone on Earth to renounce their wishes. What if some kid is dying due to a terminal illness, and the kid’s mother wishes for the kid to live? Is that such a bad wish?

[@cyrene3682]

But the point wasn’t that they were bad. It was that they weren’t real and they were hurting themselves

[@MeesdeFilmliefhebber]

Because these wishes may grant you happiness, but take that away from somebody else. That is not right. For example, to heal one person from a terminal illness here, another person might succumb to it as a consequence. Getting what you desire without working hard for it/earning it through life, possibly at the expense of others, is a toxic mindset. Edit: of course there are desires that could be viewed as an exception, and not everything in life can be "earned"; I chose my words wrong there. But even then, whether it is right to sacrifice someone else's happiness for your own, is at the very least questionable, and at the worst wrong. It all depends on what the desire is, and who are all affected by the decision. It isn't a toxic mindset by default, but it could become one. I dont have all the answers: I try to express my understanding of this movies message, and I am not perfect. Peace and happiness to you all!

[@lucastavares1431]

Her kid would be healed and then he would be run over or something. Monkey's paw

[@lonewalkerproductions]

@@MeesdeFilmliefhebber the point is though, if you just wished for your terminally ill child to get better (which isn't something you can work hard/earn), then some superhero on tv tells you to renounce that wish because someone out there is supposedly suffering due to that wish, would the average person listen?

[@shadowrundas]

yes, monkey paws grant your wish but the wish will screw you over worse, the kid would have likely suffered a much worse fate then dying from the sickness the wish cured as literary devices its often used as the easy but incorrect solution to a problem that will hurt you in the long run for not dealing with it properly

[@emilianomendoza2677]

You see, when TCL picks up his dog and holds him caringly at 48:50 , that makes the audience think, "Oh this Closer Look guy is a real caring and affectionate human to put his movie-breakdown on hold for a moment so he can introduce us to his dog and give him some attention." Unintentionally good timing for the topic he was explaining, hopefully he found that out while editing.

[@KoongYe]

The movie is so bad he had to show himself to truly show his disappointment.

[@bi_beans9011]

The thing that bothered me the most about this movie: THE COFFEE GUY The one worker who offhandedly wished for a cup of coffee He had to give up the thing the most important to him, FOR A CUP OF COFFEE also, he wouldnt know to renounce his wish, because he didnt know it was the stone. There is no way everyone renounced their wish.

[@robertstevenwilson3349]

There is deleted scene where the coffee guy comes home and finds his cat dead. Was the coffee worth it you MONSTER!!!!

[@deathsdoor07]

@@robertstevenwilson3349 If it's not in the movie, it doesn't matter.

[@robertstevenwilson3349]

@@deathsdoor07 It was a joke. Hahaha 🤣 there is no deleted scene with a dead cat.

[@Here_is_Waldo]

Maybe Bruce Wayne wished to go and see a movie, and his parents were taken as the price.

[@robertstevenwilson3349]

@@Here_is_Waldo That is now cannon in the DCEU, Batman killed his own parents with his wish... Wow, now that Martha scene makes total sense.

[@indrickboreale5463]

2:20 “why do you want to save the galaxy? What has it ever done for you?” “Cause I’m one of the idiots who lives in it!” -Guardians of the Galaxy

[@michaelclarkj]

Producer Guy: That works!

[@KN-hg2nv]

the only right answer

[@Ivashanko]

Surprisingly enough, random questions that come out of nowhere like "Have you ever been in love" are extremely common in real life conversations. I ask them myself all the time during lulls in conversation. But they do not feel real in a movie unless something has prompted them.

[@4203105]

I actually even have a semi-good easy fix for the one wish per person rule: Barbara: "I thought the stone only granted one wish per person." Max: "Ah, but you aren't the same person anymore, are you?"

[@johannesseyfried7933]

Interesting Idea, I have to admit.

[@arclet5946]

I actually don't think the system is broken at all, Barbara doesn't get a wish, she gets a favor. Max heard Barbara's request and using the fact that he takes something for himself from every wish he grants he took multiple wishes from people from around the world to grant her powers. If Barbara had wished for something then something would have been taken from her, instead she was granted those things as a gift/favor for being an ally. The fact that the stone can modify her just because Max wants to isn't too outworldy since the stone does make Steve take complete control over the random dude with no issues.

[@4203105]

@@arclet5946 but we have been shown multiple times before that he can't just grant favours. People have to actually wish for something for him to have any powers. And I don't see how anybody around the world would have wished for "yeah I want a cheta woman". Also the stone can take for itself, but not for others. Thems are the rules. You are really reaching a lot here, trying to make it work.

[@4203105]

@@arclet5946 but we have been shown multiple times before that he can't just grant favours. People have to actually wish for something for him to have any powers. And I don't see how anybody around the world would have wished for "yeah I want a cheta woman". Also the stone can take for itself, but not for others. Thems are the rules. You are really reaching a lot here, trying to make it work.

[@arclet5946]

@@4203105 I'm not saying that the system isn't broken, the whole "particles that go to satellites and are projected into everyone can work for the rule of direct touch" thing is stupid as hell. I just don't think it is broken in that aspect in particular. When have we been shown that he can't just give favours to others? This would have been the first time he offers someone a favor. He just needs people to wish (which he gets when billions around the world make a wish) and then he can take part of those wishes. Maybe someone wished for cheetahs to stop existing so in return a woman far more dangerous than cheetahs came to be, or another cheetah related wish that I can't think on the top of my head. It is still something the stone takes for itself since it needs protection.

[@shaynevalencia3865]

It’s amazing to me they tried to make the morale be “there’s no shortcuts to success” in a Wonder Woman movie. You know, the woman who didn’t have to work hard for anything she has because she was given the perfect Amazon genes at birth and born into royalty. “You have to work hard for what you want!” says the woman who just naturally has super strength and just learns to make things invisible or fly without any actual practice. Myth of Meritocracy: The Movie more like.

[@Crabgar]

i mean, *IF* you're competent you could write about how diana had to work hard to be viewed as exceptional and a hero, even in the amazon society but that's a big if

[@shaynevalencia3865]

@@Crabgar oh yeah totally; I think they definitely could have written a movie about how intensely trained Amazon warriors are, and have the morale be that raw power without proper training can be unwieldy. But that’s clearly a very very different script to pull that off.

[@aawillma]

Not to mention the fact that the scene with the horse race that supposedly showed her cheating was not cut and dry. She didn't intentionally take a shortcut and it wasn't obvious she even knew she did anything other than pull a sweet come back move. Cool scene but a horrible choice when trying to establish a theme of deception which requires intent.

[@erenerikci3263]

It’s almost as bad as Captain America preaching against drugs

[@nicholauscrawford7903]

The original movie was at least about about Diana emotionally, intellectually, and even spiritually maturing and didn't short cut it.

[@dani.5087]

The way Barbara's storyline was written, with the intention of being a part of a moral about working for what you want instead of cheating to get it, feels like the wish fulfillment of a narcissistic, stereotypical bully/popular girl. Diana, who is already effortlessly beautiful and strong and socially adept, has 'worked for' her social status. Barbara, who is socially awkward and weak and filled with self hatred, who wishes to be more like Diana but hasn't yet figured out *how to get there*, is immediately kicked back for daring to even WANT to step out of her lane. It's like if a high schooler wrote a self-insert fantasy demonizing the nerd who she hates for the sole crime of being a social outcast.

[@jerrylouis8930]

Effortlessly? She ran Thymerican Wipeout when she was nine.

[@Matt_History]

There's a lesson there that what you want and what you're capable of often diverge and you need to develop humility. A lot of people who are 'out casts' can be just as disgusting or narcissistic as others it's a case by case situation

[@table2.0]

@@jerrylouis8930 in human society she is naturally super powerful, has powers and far exceeds any typical human’s strength

[@Onomatopoeia4u]

Or it's a way to say be careful what you wish for, that desire is the root of all suffering and that if we try to emulate others and take shortcuts disaster is sure to follow.

[@whitestoneandy797]

👏👏👌exactly

[@stuhaczz]

I really like how you pointed out the jarring segues in dialogs. Tbh the most organic way to combat that, that I had came up with, is to establish that the change of topic was something the character had planned ahead, for example you have your character having second thoughts about a certain topic or thinks about/realizes that they need to bring it up in the upcoming conversation they’re about to have with this second person. This way when there’s this bit of silence when no fresh ‘organic’ topic seems to rise up there’s a chance for that seemingly ‘fabricated’ one to be brought into the picture but - at least for me - it no longer feels as fake because in the back of your mind you were prepared to see it because there was a prompt given that it might’ve been something this character needed to talk about. If anyone has any other ideas on how to combat that fake suddenly switch of topics in a conversation feel free to add it here!

[@nightnavin]

When she asked "are you in love" I thought that she was coming on to her

[@your_dad_on_vacation]

Same

[@everperplexing]

Oh thank god I’m not alone

[@Schnort]

Why would that have been such a better movie. Why. I want that now.

[@mr.x16829]

the entire setup with diana not being over steve and barbara being lonely and feeling bad about herself really made me think they were going to make this a hero-needs-to-save-the-world-but-can't-do-it-alone-and-falls-for-the-person-helping-them thing and i was soooo confused when they instead pulled the steve thing, so all that goes a long way to say thank god i'm not the only one who saw that

[@nightnavin]

@@mr.x16829 this probably would have been a better movie 🍿

[@EliseLoveZzyouu]

Probably one of the most disappointing sequels of all time. How they went from the first film to THIS is beyond me

[@purpleplanetary]

All the good writers left, no joke. It was written by the director and another bad writer smh

[@sunsetskye483]

Agreed. The first one was actually good

[@nyahnyahson523]

@@purpleplanetary Ah, so Hollywood putting all the success on the director as usual instead of the writers

[@hrdkorebp]

In the first one they just copied what Captain America first avenger did.

[@erenerikci3263]

The sequel has no Zack Snyder

[@kclink1579]

Why did they have him take over another body in the first place. They had no reason to actually do that.

[@carlosflemingjr6464]

It was a reference to another 80’s film. But I agree it had no addition or significance to the plot at all.

[@markparkinson6947]

@@carlosflemingjr6464 What ‘80s film was that? That must have been some film!

[@primarybufferpanel9939]

@@markparkinson6947 Heaven Can Wait apparently

[@MrOverHeels]

Apparently, the wishing rock can manifest missiles out of thin air, and make them vanish just like that, but can't resurrect Steve in his own body

[@markparkinson6947]

@@primarybufferpanel9939 I guess Jenkins or Johns really loves the film to reference it in the story for some reason.

[@annalisehua]

The thing about Barbara's arc that infuriates me the most? Think about influential people saying the wrong thing on stage and becoming a terrible influence, think about them, and think of the harm they can do and that is forgivable because saying the wrong thing in a split second decision on stage is incredibly easy. A movie. Is not that. A movie, is planned. It has been planned and scripted and reviewed and throughout a process of years, this still came out. This still got out and this is out here and it has this terrible message and its so irresponsible, this is neglect. Neglect of care for your OWN story. This is absolutely unacceptable.

[@regpett3730]

The Closer Look: Captain America Me: *slowly raises pitchfork* The Closer Look: No no no, THIS Captain America Me: *Slowly lowers pitchfork*

[@verbulent_flow6229]

WHO'S STRONG AND BRAVE HERE TO SAVE THE AMERICAN WAAAAAY

[@markparkinson6947]

That was a really good comment to read! 🤣

[@kongmengyang1098]

When Captain America throws his mighty shield!!

[@lunaangeleclipse9745]

It always surprises me when people say the Captain America 1 is one of the worst MCU films. I only watched it once or twice, but I remember liking it a lot!

[@MoostachedSaiyanPrince]

I really hate that "remove your glasses and you're instantly more attractive" cliche for two different reasons. One: some people have a thing for people with glasses, so treating glasses like a universal turn off is a literal lie. Two: the opposite can be true, meaning that you're almost universally considered more attractive WITH your glasses. I'm one of those people. Something about my natural bone structure and angle of my eyebrows when my face is relaxed makes me look fairly aggressive and angry, like I'm in a perpetual bad mood, so without my glasses I would have to try really hard to deliberately look nicer, but something about wearing my glasses makes me look much more approachable, so that unless I'm genuinely really mad, I usually look bored at worst. Like, it's almost a night and day difference. Some people have said that they can buy into the Superman and Clark Kent glasses thing when they see me take off my glasses because they realize that glasses can make a bigger difference to a persons looks than they realized. Like, they even sometimes accuse me of "making a face" once I've taken them off to prove my point, at which point, I'd show them again how pronounced it is when they're paying closer attention.

[@BlackDiamond2718]

I see glasses as an amplification of your appearance, positive or negative. Just like clothes.

[@neliaferreira9983]

You missed reason 3: the implication that glasses will make you ugly. That if you need to wear them, sorry buddy, you ugly now.

[@ArtThingies]

Glasses also make me much cuter, I feel.

[@titansparrow64]

Some people look better with Glasses honestly. Like take Bayonetta, she makes wearing glasses look badass and I can never imagine her without them.

[@arcadius2569]

Glasses-lover checking in.

[@tumbleweedfish]

Saying that this is like a fifteen-year-old's fanfic is an insult to fifteen-year-olds. Believe it or not, they can write way more thought out stories with better moral lessons and themes. Also, there is one case where an abrupt topic change is okay, is if one character isn't comfortable with the topic.

[@SleepyMatt-zzz]

Morals aside, I think what would make teen fanfiction better than this film is that there is at least some enthusiasm put into the work.

[@mreverything7056]

Me who’s sixteen working to write a good story: HAHA! I beat the system!!

[@yikes7639]

im 15 and I was kind of offended that my stories were compared to this bombshell of a movie.

[@yikes7639]

I'm

[@tumbleweedfish]

@@yikes7639 Same, that's why I commented

[@Daniel-rp7nb]

There are just so many bad story decisions - you can suspend belief for one or two of the lack of motivation for the bad guys, the innocent guy rape, Steve’s abilioty to fly a plane (that should also have no fuel”… and then the “renounce your wish”…. But you can’t suspend disbelief for all of them.

[@jorilysmatos69]

Barbara turning into a villain felt so out of pocket for her character. I suppose the wish turned her mad but doesn't that kinda absolve her of most of her responsibility.

[@alexgmplays8222]

I originally thought they were going for the whole "power corrupts" thing. Or like "Once a person gains power, they show their true face". But after paying attention to how she got her powers (wishing to be like Dianna), i realized the script was so bad that it allowed me to think that "being like Dianna" + the result of her becoming evil = Dianna is deeply evil. Which you can make a case for, again because of the terrible script, thanks to the whole "Steve/Handsome guy R*pe" thing

[@affsteak3530]

It also creates a plot hole that if wishes make people more selfish/crazy they wouldn't renounce their wishes even at gunpoint

[@rijjhb9467]

Yeah, but she's the typical "sympathetic villain because woman", they're a dime a dozen in today's entertainment. If you ever see a show where a woman is the villain, just wait, she'll turn anti-hero before the end.

[@kstar1489]

@@rijjhb9467 what

[@kongvinter33]

@@kstar1489 you read it right. in modern movies women are never held accountable, the only person that could ever compete is only another woman. white men are evil and black and asian men are just totally ignored all together. if you dont agree with this you are supposedly a sexist....oh and yeah, racist...maybe even a Nazi. Men are wining cry babies and women use their body to gain leverage. its offensive to both men and women yet at the same time trying to force feed you a moral of good and bad. men have become a damsel in distress and female characters have become toxic masculinity at the finest. if you havent noticed this in modern movies well I guess good for you.

[@laurelsimmons7609]

people deconstructing bad movies is my new addiction lol

[@ausername8699]

Seriously, this has been single greatest source of entertainment for the past 3 years and made me consider going into film school.

[@bboyleftfoot]

Same here

[@qunningStunts]

If you somehow haven't seen or heard Mauler's work...check him out.

[@jamilabrownie]

Been in this game for the past 10 years...welcome to the cynical cinephile club!

[@siddiqsmouse5004]

Literally just came from HelloFuture Me's 2 hour The Last Airbender video

[@6ixlxrd]

I’m an aspiring writer, and while I don’t think I’m anywhere near good, one tip I’ve always used with dialogue is to simply apply how it works in real life to how it works in your story. This movie here uses dialogue as a means of TELLING exposition regarding the characterizations of each character involved (“I’m shy and socially awkward and people think I’m weird”), when dialogue is a perfect tool for SHOWING characterization. If they’re shy, have one character carrying the conversation while the other is more timid and reserved in their replies. If they’re socially awkward, have them actually doing something socially awkward like laughing at their own lame jokes and attempting to force a conversation with random, all over the place topics (the most default topic being weather). Dialogue is also useful in conveying a character’s/person’s relationship with another character…just like it does in real life. The way you talk around or to your boss is different than the way you’d talk around your friends. The subjects you mention around someone who’s close to you is different than the subjects you’d mention around a stranger. Why go: “We’ve been best friends for the past 7 years” when you can show that your characters are best friends by having one character pick up on something that only someone close to them would know (something as simple as: “You’re not your usual self today. Problems with your dad, again?”could go a long way in establishing multiple layers of exposition and characterization just like that did in just TWO sentences). Also, it does help to have an objective in mind when writing dialogue, as literally everything written in a story should have a purpose. Whether the purpose is to showcase the friendship of two characters, develop intimacy between romantic interests, or reveal important plot elements which will later contribute to a plot twist…every interaction needs a purpose. Random conversations which serve no point (like majority of the dialogue in stories like Twilight) are honestly a chore to read through.

[@saulgoodthey]

great point! :)

[@briannawaldorf8485]

Otherwise known as, “show, don’t tell” people thinks this means only literally. No. You can show by using characters talking to each other but it’s HOW

[@gregorysagegreene]

I'm gonna write my life one day, and the sheer grit and struggle of it will supersede any writing devices proposed in English class. Latter day Teachers will then be writing theses on style and artifice from it, because teachers teach cause they can't ...

[@benrogencamp258]

Powerlifter here, I've never seen this movie before, but just wanted to weigh in on this frame shown at 12:50 . Those plates should add up to somewhere between 225lbs and 250lbs. Which is good for a strict overhead press, but for a clean and jerk, this would be very mid. Also, the bar is bending and would not be at that load.

[@plutoisarealplanet7407]

The "Wow you're so funny!" Line could have even just been replaced with laughing and it would have been so much better than the voice screaming *"Please help me."*

[@akariagale2794]

That makes so much more sense. Like Diana is already chuckling. We slowly zoom in. When we get to the table Barbara says something like "And that's why everyone thinks the third floor is haunted." Diana laughs harder then says "Oh, you're so funny." You don't even need to write a whole joke! Or ya know have Kristen Wiig adlib or write something herself. She does have *some* experience being funny.

[@bhafferty5184]

@@akariagale2794 exactly that would have been so easy! They just didnt try

[@g.strobl4458]

It just sounds so much like Wonder Woman is desperately trying to boost Barbara's ego until Barbara can't take the awkward conversation anymore, thinking her friend is in love with her. And awkward as she is herself, she asks about it in the worst possible way.

[@customconcern1]

@@akariagale2794 this movie is so bad it made me forget that Kristen Wiig is a comedian. She could literally had just been funny.

[@darkwebonline2124]

That line so badly reminded me of Troy McClure from The Simpsons: "Hahaha! That's the funniest joke I've ever heard. Now you tell one."

[@eyanasher1334]

Also not to mention when lord broadcasted his voice across the world everyone watching just magically knew and understood English

[@garfieldseviltwin97]

Maybe the TV screen had a universal translator 🤡🤡

[@GuardianWithAGu]

@@garfieldseviltwin97 doubt.

[@hailey7871]

"Sir, I'm gonna need you to get ALLLLLLLLL the way off my back about this dialogue"

[@BeautifulEarthJa]

lol

[@droneeye2618]

😅

[@mgtocrateezspeaks3971]

Okay. Let me get off of that thing.

[@998576999]

That's super easy, barely an inconvenience

[@ninjablack4347]

Oh making references to other vids is tight!

[@dreadpirate2432]

what I tend to do when I sit down to write a scene is I make a chart that says "(1)What does each character want from this conversation/interaction (sometimes that may be just "I want to get out of this conversation), (2)what do these characters think of each other (what is their level of trust), (3)"how high is their charisma stat (for lack of a better term)", what is my (the writer's) goal for this scene. Then I have a framework to play in. I know my goal, but I also know the goals of my characters and I can manipulate outside circumstances to help achieve my goals more organically. I'm not published so take with a grain of salt, but it's something that helps me get words on the page that I feel don't completely suck.

[@elderliddle2733]

The “moral” of the movie is to “Stay in your Lane”. Barbra is punished for trying to be anything other than the reclusive nerd, that only naturally attractive women get what they want, and men are objects for women. Diana is naturally attractive so she gets her man back. But this is done in the worst way possible which should be raising concern about the role of consent on part of men. He’s even labeled as ‘handsome man’ in the credits. Objectified for his looks. His body is stolen and used to have sex with another woman. What if the man had a wife, or girlfriend? What if he was gay, or had taken a religious vow of chastity? What if he was asexual? None of those things are considered. So, in short: don’t be unattractive.

[@pismodude2]

DC movies: Be beautiful and powerful or keep your head down and hope you don't die nerd Marvel movies: Thor is fat, Rocket's a bunny, saving the world can be cool and funny

[@SuperCosmicMutantSquid]

The thing that irks me the most is how the lesson from the start doesn't have anything to do with the lesson we're told Diana learns in the movie. Her mother teachers her that cheating is bad and to never take shortcuts. Here's the problem, in the past she was activity doing that through her own choice. As an adult, her 'wish' was granted without her knowing and without her really taking it seriously outside of it being a random thought and desire. How the fuck does that count as Diana cheating when that was never her intention from the start? The lesson at the stat is don't cheat but the lesson after that is 'be careful what you wish for' yet they try to slam them into being the same lesson when neither of it feel deserved.

[@dean_l33]

@@SuperCosmicMutantSquid But still though what flustercluck of a story

[@EfrenDNa]

Oh my god

[@blackosprey2219]

Can you even imagine the absolute shitstorm that would be raised if the protagonist was male and the love interest and body-stealer was female? Possession's always been a squicky horror concept to me in any context, 'cause even if that stolen body isn't used for sex, it's still such a fundamental violation of someone's existence that only villains could treat it so nonchalantly.

[@tylersmith839]

I had this same feeling when I saw the Spider Man movie with Jamie Fox as Electro. My little brother reminds me a lot of that character and when the movie made him the bad guy just because he was obviously disabled and eccentric it really fucked me up. Blew the while film for me. I legitimately cried at the birthday scene because the way Jamie's character has to physically voice his thoughts to process them reminded me so much of my brother.

[@scrubbingdoubles8585]

Jesus loves you

[@369destroyer]

I agree... No Way Home opened the door for redemption and Andrew Spidey showed empathy and compassion. But the fact we never see him actually get better like we do Doc Oc I feel like it's a missed opportunity

[@gh0st_b0yfriend]

Agreed, I cried during the times square scene, seeing all these police about to shoot a black man in a mental health crisis was so awful to watch when that happens in real life all too often.

[@stpbasss3773]

@@gh0st_b0yfriend I don't know what skin color has to do with anything

[@gh0st_b0yfriend]

@@stpbasss3773 Yes you do.

[@slsthewriter1299]

Is anyone gonna mention how horrified Steve would've been flying through the fireworks considering _he died as his own firework??_

[@dontpanic1812]

Besides the fact of how dangerous that would be, how easily that could've damaged the plane, yours is a great point. It's flying through flack on both the literal and emotional level. This film was so dumb, it was hard to stay with it to the end. And Wonder Woman's one of my all-time favorite superheroes. Have a feeling half the mistakes we think were unintentional actually weren't. Romanticism accounts for a lot of it, but the way identity politics has infected everything these days, bad writing doesn't seem to explain the half that's completely in keeping with that upside-down propagandist agenda. I miss when we weren't so victim-oriented. I miss actual diversity and diversity of thought. I miss pluralism and cooperation and collective enterprise.This new mediocrity just doesn't cut it. It's neither liberal, nor inviting, neither forgiving, nor logical, neither empowering, nor inspiring. Yeah, flying through flack in a jet makes no sense, not functionally, nor for our characters. Might be incredibly fun, but the physical risk is just too dumb to contemplate.

[@flygirl6048]

Fireworks aren't flak and would only be an issue if they got into the intake, but it's an unwise idea. What's hysterical is that what they're flying is an F-111 Aardvark, which has a landing speed of 115 knots. This is on the lower end of how slow it could fly. Even if they tried REALLY hard, they wouldn't be able to stop & admire the fireworks because they'd just be blurs of color.

[@pemimpiradikall]

yeah, I know DC is all about visuals but a plane flying throught fireworks? cmon

[@maxvitor7023]

@@flygirl6048 I was wondering that too. I'm not a expert about planes especially military grade ones but how the fuck was it flying so slowly into the fireworks?

[@DJDoena]

Also, depending on the firework, it usually erupts at 50-150m (160-500ft). Why would they fly so low in the first place?

[@bobogus7559]

1:13:33 Let's not forget that Steve is somehow able to fly an F-111 after only ever flying World War I biplanes (just look up pictures of the F-111 cockpit and tell me how a WWI pilot is going to understand anything he's looking at, or even know how to start the engines). That's not even considering the fact that it's in a museum and is therefore unfueled and likely not airworthy, is able to fly almost 6000 miles without refueling despite having a range of only 3500 miles even with external tanks, is about 15 times faster than anything he's ever been in before, and even handles completely differently on the ground thanks to a fundamentally different landing gear configuration. And yet he somehow manages to fly it with no trouble.

[@ezrakornfeld8436]

The F-111 aardvark is my favorite military jet. Also the cockpit in night flying mode (pic on Wikipedia) looks awesome

[@legndofphoenix]

It's actually worse than "having a role model and improving yourself is bad." Barbra breaks down after almost being sexually ASSAULTED and saved by Diana. She wants to be strong like Diana TO DEFEND HERSELF FROM PREDATORS. And the movie paints her as BAD for that.

[@joeyg29jgjg]

didnt think of that thank you for that

[@djstuntfox]

Barbara is justified in wanting to be strong. Nothing wrong with that, but it is wrong to beat someone so badly, all knowing you are 20x stronger than they are. Barbara became her attacker. She lost her humanity when she became powerful. She could have easily just pushed him aside. Instead, she beat him up, even though at this point he poses no threat to her. After throwing him against the truck and saying no, she should have walked away. She is not someone to look up to.

[@visassess8607]

Her actions were bad though. Just because you feel slighted and want something doesn't mean you should be able to do anything you want.

[@djstuntfox]

@@visassess8607 Exactly!

[@afrosymphony8207]

i tthink you're just refusing to admit the fact that just cause you were a "victim" doesn't mean you have the right to go full hulk on everything. Complex truths like that are what gives superhero comics great depth

[@etherealvaleska4483]

I think the worst thing about the Barbara storyline is that Wonder Woman was created as a role model for young girls to look up to and aspire to be. Wonder Woman is supposed to be an empowering symbol, a message that girls and women can be strong and brave and kind and noble, too. But then Barbara aspires to be like Wonder Woman and she's turned into a monster. It undermines the entire point of Wonder Woman's existence. It looks at women who want to be like Wonder Woman and tells them, "You can't be like her. Even if you could have every wish granted, you'd never be as good as her," and that's such a terrible message to include in a movie intended to empower and inspire women and girls.

[@IkesPimpHand]

"empower and inspire" "strong and brave" 😂😂🤮🤮🤮

[@insertname2035]

​@@IkesPimpHand incel

[@joshraid1550]

@@IkesPimpHandWhat’s so funny?

[@mev2441]

what about boys who also want to be strong and brave and kind and noble? are they just not allowed 😕😕

[@etherealvaleska4483]

@@mev2441 Boys are more than welcome to be all of those things. Wonder Woman, however, was not created to be a role model for boys because there are already so many other male role models that exemplify those qualities. Captain America, Superman, Black Panther, Professor X, and Spider-Man are just a few examples. Giving a role model to young girls is not the same thing as taking away role models from young boys. In fact, this conversation had nothing to do with boys at all, but I hope this answered your question.

[@freewolfcub]

Only thing I disagreed with was that "this is a female director, poorly representing men" comment. This is a female direct poorly representing men, women, children and everything in between.

[@hemipenes]

So you did agree then

[@SkyPerson]

@@hemipenesthey’re making a joke mate

[@DodgeThatAttack]

this movie is actually more of a paradox since everyone would have contradictory wishes like "world peace" and "world war 3" or "immortality" and "someones assassination" also, you could just wish that everyone would renounce their wish, which would then mean you would renounce your own wish, so nobody renounces their wish? and speaking of, what are the limitations OF a wish? can you get more wishes? how specific can it be?

[@Theuglymug]

welllll if you think abot it if ww3 happened and everybody died the world would be at peice and for your other their are different types of immortality including one where you come back in your prime every time you die

[@imnot8691]

just wish ww3 don't happen 😎

[@cosmicriptid]

Yeah I was thinking how wishes would be contradictory. Maybe the most recent one takes precidence

[@lunariannoises4806]

I completely agree about the message. The way I interpreted the morale of the story was “Don’t want anything you don’t have or you’ll become a villain automatically.”

[@Rawrshuga]

I think you just destroyed capitalism.

[@yomin2162]

Guy gets bitten by a radioactive spider, becomes superhero. Girl wishes upon a magic rock, becomes supervillian. The universe is fickle.

[@makeitthrough_]

@@yomin2162 Girl didn't have tragic rice uncle

[@joshelderkin9592]

Its more dont wish on a monkeys paw you guys are just kind of rediculous lol sure the movies lame but like i think the guy that made this video just thinks kids are dumb and theyre not

[@jerrylouis8930]

Consider who the characters were before the stone was involved. Max was absent, Barbara was untested, Diana was unfulfilled. The stone played upon these aspects of character. Getting "what they wanted" did not change them. The wishing for things is to be renounced. Diana has a relationship with a man when she finds the soul of her old lover in him.

[@bobbysalkeld2634]

I despise when films forego character development in lieu of, "takes off glasses and puts hair down..." it's unforgivable.

[@Lucy-bd6us]

I've always wanted a film where that happens and then the character is stood there like "OK now I can't fucking see I actually need my glasses"

[@zottersgamingchannel5207]

0:11 incorrect. I am 15 and could probably write a better film.

[@clown1536]

Someone get this man funding

[@backdoorideas]

Someone get this man $120 million budget

[@SkyPerson]

“Someone get this man a shield”

[@tipra5040]

​@@SkyPerson Absolute cinema

[@huhwhaguh]

This movie disappointed my dad and I so much that we left mid “final battle” that was *literally them just standing there.* I cannot describe how much pain I felt from the beginning to the end that I never even saw, and don’t plan to.

[@johnynoway9127]

it was a very good bonding moment of disapointment

[@excelsior7345]

Pedro Pascal is the best part of this movie. He's doing such a fantastic job. Also, just a small thing from me, but if you find a scene of yours is useless, don't just delete it! Save it for later! It can be merged with something else, used later, or just kept for a rainy day!

[@mr.a-list1272]

Duly noted.

[@DraconicDuelist]

Could even post a "deleted scenes" video. Just label it properly like most movies do, and BAM, new popular video. A Bloopers video would work too.

[@excelsior7345]

@@DraconicDuelist Yup! I find it hard to get rid of my useless writing, so I have it all saved up

[@aleahlrb]

I have a separate file for where I paste all the deleted scenes of the story I'm writing. Sometimes, I go back there to read my previous thought processes and sometimes, I can even recycle some of it.

[@IzzysTravelDiaries]

I often think that's how Pride and Prejudice was written. If you compare Sense and Sensibility and Pride and Prejudice, they feel like two sides of a coin. Like Austen had a bunch of scenes and two ways they could come out, and put one half into one book and the other into another book.

[@mariecelestejetzer2193]

„15 year old on FanFiction.Net“ I think you mean „twelve year old on Wattpad“

[@mewe1717]

As a person who was 12 and writting on wattpad I can say without a doubt that I was at least not changing from Rated G to Rated R in 10 minutes or suddenly making up new superpowers just out of nothing without any explanation (especially if it's on the superhero genre) That was when I was 11...

[@helplessblobfish3935]

It seems like it was randomly generated by an AI.

[@eleanorflynn7772]

me, a fifteen year old on wattpad:

[@CrowsFable]

“I didn’t really think this through, even slightly did I?” *chefs kiss* - Every terribly written villain ever. Love it.

[@chevvy427]

This movie said "Don't try to be more than you are, you can't handle it. Some people were made to be better, and you're not them."

[@user-jb7tq7ko7e]

Well put

[@TheMightyPika]

That is exactly the message. Very well said.

[@lunariannoises4806]

Exactly. 👏🏼

[@HangMrH]

Lovely

[@gianni206]

No it said "don't use magic to cheat"-- Cheetah didn't do anything the rock did all the work

[@Macalicious]

Honestly, you apologize so many times saying "I don't know how humans work" but here you are: explaining the human psyche and exploring character depth way better than most Hollywood writers nowadays.

[@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772]

Nah he also talking shit outta his ass,he's no different

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

@@muhammadazrafbinmohdakmam4772 but on purpose

[@eeveeofalltrades4780]

When some guy parodying a movie is better than the ones who made the movie then you know something's wrong ._.

[@ryankornacki9918]

As someone who does have Asperger’s I can fairly reliably say that he probably does understand how humans work. The best way I can describe it is that I can feel a part of myself constantly in the background saying “I don’t care about the current topic or flow of this conversation, if I talk about what IM interested in then surely they will find it just as fascinating too”. Not sure if it’s the same for him but it can make it feel like people with Aspergers don’t quite “get” social interaction. Also tons of hand flapping, at least when I think no one’s looking.

[@cmaden78]

I'm just guessing here...but dry British humour? Self-effacing sarcasm? Knows he's great but isn't an arrogant asshat? And I mean that in the nicest possible way 🤗

[@Chiquicheeta]

For "realistic dialogue", I always remember what Russel T. Davies said, the writer of Doctor Who and Torchwood: "A dialogue is very often just two monologues clashing. People want to talk what they want to talk about, and maybe tweak it a little to match the other one. But overall, both want to get their idea, view, or opinion across." If you listen to people in real life talk, you may notice this a lot!

[@TheCloserLook]

That's an interesting take.

[@-Teague-]

I do like this way of looking at it, but I wouldn't say it's always true. However, it is a very good way to look at writing a cohesive narrative in dialogue without sacrificing character and logic. Quite neat! Thanks for sharing.

[@goldenrabbitkh]

This is one of my comfort videos and is inspiring me to do better in the world and that I matter. I remember when I saw that movie everyone was ether gone or hated me and I just really wanted to be more like others… normal. It send me down a bad path and this video changed that it made me realize I was important and I just want to say thanks

[@huntsman9316]

There are a lot of suicidal people out there who can't bring themselves to end it. I'm sure someone will say, “I wish I could just die.” how can they take back their wish then?

[@sirvalhart7464]

respawning in 30 seconds...

[@TechExpanse]

the idea that literally everyone took back their wishes is just ridiculous

[@engineergaming1537]

@@sirvalhart7464 Ganondorf whenever Link kills him

[@FlatlandsSurvivor]

@@TechExpanse They didn't. Because bad man renounced his wish, all of the wishes that went through him (so at that point all besides Barbara) got canceled.

[@maxkordon]

Checkmate atheists

[@isaiaharmour6145]

Remember the OTHER superhero story where an American soldier named Steve sacrificed himself in a plane and then came back after 70 years and visited his true love? Yeah, that movie was way better.

[@rickeybernard8156]

The funny part is they could have referenced it 😂😂😂

[@mwagner1996]

Oh, do you mean the other movie where the American soldier Steve is played by Chris?

[@Prodigious1One]

But he could have landed somewhere.

[@Spiceodog]

The main character didn’t even rape someone in that movie.......... unlike this one, and nobody even talks about it

[@roxanne_]

Owen Keenan and who the fuck would want that in a movie anyways. It depends on what its going to be about mostly but its a story about a SUPERHERO KIDS WATCH IT

[@HyenaDandy]

Also: Don't DELETE your good scenes. Keep them. Just not in the story. Cut them out, put them somewhere else, wait for their chance.

[@shadow_shine3578]

Make them into something with another story it fits with.

[@evantyler8647]

Or even just keep them around to reference for when you feel like you're incapable of writing well or hate your characters

[@michealtaormina1561]

put them in a "cut scenes" thing even

[@NocturnalPyro]

17:25 As someone with ADHD, I'll have a stray thought that's barely related to a single detail of the previous conversation and then follow up on that, and blurt out things that to the other person comes out of nowhere.