AMGA instructor Jeff Ward explains how to set up a 6:1 mechanical advantage in order to haul a fallen climber out of a crevasse.
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@SirHiggalot2 жыл бұрын
I live in a desert and I've never gone skiing or mountain climbing. Not sure why I'm watching this, but it's fascinating.
@robokubkub4 жыл бұрын
By far the best an most informative series for this hole topic..:
@scottb84232 жыл бұрын
Excellent video series. I like a lot of the more nuanced details on edge prep and other "what ifs..." that are typically left out! Thanks for making this comprehensive resource available. Is there a video covering the scenario when the middle person on a rope team falls in?
@matteojb3 жыл бұрын
Can t believe you just threw a person in a crevasse for the sake of making this demonstration...thanks a lot, much appreciated
@nariny10043 жыл бұрын
So helpful video. All people that go to Hokkaido ski resort should watch this. 6 frenchmen died 2 days ago.
@johngo62835 жыл бұрын
Terrific video. Now I need to find the ones that can before this…
@p.richter95925 жыл бұрын
Great video 👍🏻👍🏻🇳🇴
@FreddieBrek2 жыл бұрын
If you don't have a progress capture device like and Micro Traxion can you use an ATC in guide mode?
@adamcain46035 жыл бұрын
great tutorial
@jaijones13906 жыл бұрын
Hey, what rope are you using in this video? Also what diameter and length?
@davidconly26165 жыл бұрын
what is the minimum rope length you carry on a 2 man team that enables a drop loop 6:1 (ski touring) Thanks
@Govanification2 жыл бұрын
It depends on where you're going (size of crevasses) as that dictates rope spacing, and then each person should have twice that spacing (or a bit more) in rope in coils around their shoulder or in their packs to enable a proper drop-loop haul. For the cascades where crevasses are pretty big, ~15m spacing between climbers is recommended to give you lots of time to arrest if your partner falls in, so that equates to a 70m rope (gives you 14m spacing exactly but realistically a bit less after knots). This is a bit unrealistic tho, most people aren't using a 70m rope for parties of 2 (although I have, since big bulky brake knots for soft snow eat up a lot of rope). There's a different way to rig this, however, which uses less rope but requires the climber outside the crevasse to untie completely and drop their end of the rope to the climber and then set up the hauling system with what's leftover (might require some creativity and use of cordalette). In this case you put a few arm lengths LESS than 1/3 the rope between yourselves and a few arm lengths MORE than 1/3 in coils on each climber. This way, for a 15m spacing you can use a 50m or 60m rope. Doesn't leave you a lot of rope for a rescue tho.
@oktawiangornik12844 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for the video! :-)
@tommorgan66654 жыл бұрын
John became Emily! Wish that happened with more of my climbing partners hahaha =D
@markspencer26985 жыл бұрын
what jacket is Jeff wearing?
@Woodthreep5 жыл бұрын
many thanks.. amazing :)
@inokom3534 Жыл бұрын
instead of micro traction could you use two prusik knots?
@trevorlsadler3 жыл бұрын
On the Drop C system, one could use a lot less rope by dropping a loop of rope down to the victim with a mini traxion and a locking biner attached (assuming they don't already have one on their harness). The rope would go from the anchor, to the victim who clips the binder/traxion combo to their gear loop then back up to the rescuers, forming a simple "U". Also with the victim being attached to a pulley (mini traxion) they can aid in their own rescue by pulling on the anchor side of the "U", making the rescue much easier than 2:1. Just a thought, I'm no teacher, just a student trying to understand it all.
@benpearman502 жыл бұрын
Typically, you only do a drop C if your partner in the crevasse is incapacitated. If they're able to help haul themselves out, the first option is self ascending.
@chamonix46582 жыл бұрын
@@benpearman50 if they're incapacitated how do they attach the drop C to their harness
@benpearman502 жыл бұрын
@@chamonix4658 They don't. You have to rappel into the crevasse to set this up for them. It's basically the worst case scenario in 2 person glacier travel, luckily it should never happen if you're travelling properly with minimal slack in the rope.
@XPrincess30 Жыл бұрын
Are there any drawbacks to staying attached to the prusik (0:37)? (in the case youre not too close to the ledge)
@jasongstring Жыл бұрын
Unless you extend it, once the rope is under tension it will pull you towards the ground and reduce your mobility. Like he said.
@KalKazam4 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you for this video! But i have one querry. What should i do in case when on the rope with load (partner) are knots which we use to break?
@scheisstag2 жыл бұрын
The rope with load and knots leading to the person in the crevasse and the pulley system rope are the same rope, but different ends. So the end for the pulley system does not have knots. And the end with knots gets relieved of any weight by the pulley system. So you can pull the end with knots with just one hand and without any resistance out of the "tunnel" it digged itself. Its not holding load at this time.
@R2_D3 жыл бұрын
Hey, great informative vid! But why use the figure 8 on a bight as the midway masterpoint on a linear anchor system? Did anyone notice how badly split that knot was? Why not an alpine butterfly?
@benpearman502 жыл бұрын
Figure 8's are fine, they don't roll. Even with the cross loading they're more than strong enough for this. Alpine butterfly is perfectly fine as well, but its not a knot that everyone can tie by heart
@Govanification2 жыл бұрын
Figure 8 on a bight can roll when the 2 strands are pulled in opposite directions, and does so at lower force than an overhand on a bight. I would also use an alpine butterfly there, but if that's too complicated an overhand is perfectly fine and I think better than the figure 8 in this context. The microtrax loading the bight loop keeps the knot a bit more stable but still it looks a bit weird with the 8 here.
@24June914 жыл бұрын
Emily? I guess John didn't make it...
@jamesaddison813 жыл бұрын
He transitioned.
@tonyjewell4783 жыл бұрын
This is obviously a very effective way to haul someone out of a crevasse, but it requires a LOT of extra rope -- perhaps 80 feet or more. It's typical for guides to carry extra rope, but as Jeff mentions in one of his other videos, if you're traveling with climbers of similar skill, the people on either end could carry extra rope. However, unless you're using a very long rope, you'd probably not have enough set up this system. An alternative would be to use a 3:1 Z-drag or a 5:1 which uses less rope. Just something to think about.
@mohammadtamjid98925 жыл бұрын
عالی بود 🤗😍
@ethanellis45822 жыл бұрын
Would it not be better to use an alpine butterfly at 1:03 instead of the figure 8? A figure 8 isn't supposed to be loaded like that
@nathanburke83872 жыл бұрын
A fig 8 is super good enough (not ideal) but super good enough tho
@XPrincess30 Жыл бұрын
Also who is Emily?? I thought we were rescueing John lol
@wyatttaylor68013 жыл бұрын
damn shes really in there...
@jamesaddison813 жыл бұрын
I thought it was John??
@electricsteinbok1285 жыл бұрын
I maybe miss something but this should be 4:1 since there are only two pulley moving
@aleksikallio74665 жыл бұрын
First the 1:2 C-pulley: when you pull 1 meter of rope, the victim rises 0,5 meters. To pull that 1 meter, you have 1:3 Z-pulley. With Z-pulley you need to pull 3 meters of rope to get progress of 1 meter. So you have pulled 3 meters, the Prussik of the Z-pulley has moved 1 meter and the victim has moved 0,5 meter. This gives you 1:6.
@electricsteinbok1285 жыл бұрын
@@aleksikallio7466 Thanks!
@lucashenry22104 жыл бұрын
This would only be true if the 2 systems were seperates, here you can use a simple methld of counting the number of strands going from the ancher to the load an you will see that it is only a 4/1. At least that is what I think.
@trevorlsadler3 жыл бұрын
I vote 6:1. Using the T-method that's what I come up with.
@lyledahms2420 Жыл бұрын
It’s 4:1
@adivladi6 жыл бұрын
Alot of friction with this haul system . Its better you connect the efficiency pulley close to the rope that you pull - that make you lose less efficiency while you make tha hauling system
@billdraghi48086 жыл бұрын
why didn't he just use the original line that runs down to the climber? Instead of making another loop and lowering it down to the climber? ive now watched a few different conflicting ways to do this.
@jonkerkmann4 жыл бұрын
Using the T method I am getting a compound 4:1. A 2:1 hooking onto a 2:1. I don't see any way to make this 6:1 the way he has it setup.
@johnmason5283 жыл бұрын
you are correct it is a 4:1 not a 6:1. surprised they haven't corrected that.
@rps7143 жыл бұрын
Omg that girl has balls of steel. I hate heights...I hate bottomless pits even more.
@claudezeender91033 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this interesting video. I guess your hauling system has a four to one advantage and not a six to one. But it works.
@marcushofmann12463 жыл бұрын
You never never ever tie in the rope directly when on glacier! In case you need to leave the line you must be able to leave it quickly so always use a carabiner to connect your harness and the rope. (Only on glacier obviously not during sport climbing)