How to Heat Treat 1080 / 1084 - The Most Forgiving Steel

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Red Beard Ops

Red Beard Ops

4 жыл бұрын

Today we learn how to heat treat 1080 / 1084! In my opinion this steal is the most forgiving steel to start off with in knife making. You can make some extremely effective, durable knives with this cheap carbon steel. One of the major advantages of 1084 is that you can heat treat it in your home forge with good results.
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@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
1:06 - Basic HT Terms | 3:09 - Snapping a Quenched Blade | 4:10 - Flexing a Tempered Blade | 5:26 - Step By Step HTing a 1080 Knife
@Him__3000
@Him__3000 11 ай бұрын
The only video i felt i actually learned anything about heat treating after watching 10+ videos on the subject. Thanks for this!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 11 ай бұрын
You're very welcome!
@perret318
@perret318 3 жыл бұрын
This is one of, if not THE most thorough and down-to-earth videos on heat treating out there. IMMENSELY helpful for a beginner like me. It's obvious how much planning and thought you put into organizing and producing the video, and it paid off. Seriously one of the best channels out there. Thanks man!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, thanks a million man! Glad you got something out of this one. Cheers
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 4 жыл бұрын
Man ive been behind on watching KZbin for a while. Your channel has come a long way!! Video quality is way up! I gotta say your move from forge to oil is the fastest ive ever seen😳 im pretty sure the blade was air quenched from the 1000mph air rushing by on the way to the oil😂 1080/1084 is such an underrated steel. Its so easy to dial in. 👍👍
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, really appreciate that. I've been working on the quality. Still going through some older footage now on some videos, but eventually it will all be 1080p (got a new camera). I switched my editing system to Resolve too (free), which has ben really nice. I’m still having some issues here and there (some reason it scaled up my water in my WEN sharpener video today). You’re comment on my quench speed cracked me up! Yeah, I try to do it fast! I just ordered me some Parks #50 so I’m curious to see if this will change my hardness results. One of these days I’ll get an oven like you! I appreciate your oven review video.
@OUTDOORS55
@OUTDOORS55 4 жыл бұрын
JKeetonKnives i noticed a difference when switching to parks. It's definitely a thin oil. The oven has been great so far. Its nice to be able to do whatever you want whenever you want. It does take a long time to heat up though. Especially for anything over 1500 degrees. Im sure the 220v version would be better in that area.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
@@OUTDOORS55 Did you notice a slightly harder rock well hardness? more consistency? or just a different quench experience? I'm going to the parks 50 mainly for the consistency... I've read that canola can degrade over time... your first 5 quenches may yield different results than your last 5 quenches. Good to know about the 110 oven... I'll go 220 when I get mine. USA Knife Maker has a "knifedogs" oven for $971 before shipping... it's not huge, but likely big enough for the work I do. (14'' deep)
@MuhammadAbdullah-nr1lq
@MuhammadAbdullah-nr1lq Жыл бұрын
Damn two knife legends in one comment. Can one of you make a video on heat treating in a coal fire and tempering long blades thanks
@cornercat153
@cornercat153 4 ай бұрын
This video got me to follow through with buying the supplies I need and hopfully making knives soon, much appreciated!
@tobeymcmullen
@tobeymcmullen 2 жыл бұрын
Live your videos. Thank you for putting such informative videos out. Glad I support your Patreon
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Much appreciated! Glad you're enjoying them Tobey!
@jaredbalis
@jaredbalis 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! Thanks for making.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it sir!
@bigyin2794
@bigyin2794 Жыл бұрын
Very helpful thanks!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@thehumblepundit9790
@thehumblepundit9790 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Thanks!!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@robmurphy8572
@robmurphy8572 2 жыл бұрын
Really good video. Thanks man
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@puddlejumper3534
@puddlejumper3534 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I was looking for this exact information.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Really glad this video could help you out! Thanks for commenting and letting me know. Cheers man.
@lss6724
@lss6724 4 жыл бұрын
Very informative! Nicely done! Thanks.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much and thanks for taking the time to comment! Cheers man.
@davidwilliams4901
@davidwilliams4901 Жыл бұрын
Great video. It told me exactly what I needed to know. Keep up the good work!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@millerbrosmediaoffgridflyf7767
@millerbrosmediaoffgridflyf7767 3 жыл бұрын
Such a helpful video thanks!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@donmccann7818
@donmccann7818 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent, thanks for the video.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Don McCann cheers man! Thanks for watching!!
@ridgerunner66
@ridgerunner66 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and information. Thanks for taking the time to share this with us. Davin
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Davin! Really appreciate the comment. Glad you enjoyed this video.
@jaredbalis
@jaredbalis 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, thanks for making it!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it sir!
@MrAssis9
@MrAssis9 3 жыл бұрын
Very good class! Thanks for sharing!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@gurvinderkau1e5w18
@gurvinderkau1e5w18 4 жыл бұрын
Great tutorial on heat treat.spot on👍🏻
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@erikberglund6959
@erikberglund6959 3 жыл бұрын
Very good info. Thanx👊
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@streetjackal4411
@streetjackal4411 4 жыл бұрын
Great information. Thank you for making this vid...
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Chris, glad you found it useful! Thanks for watching!
@txfishin73
@txfishin73 3 жыл бұрын
Very informative. Thank you sir.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@joshuamiller3927
@joshuamiller3927 3 жыл бұрын
I'm just starting out and this was exactly what I needed! Great video, thank you!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@latthyde9027
@latthyde9027 Жыл бұрын
Very good I learned new things thanks
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad to hear it!
@johnnyguerra3754
@johnnyguerra3754 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad that I found your channel. As a newbie, I'm glad to see I'm doing my heat treats correctly. Thanks for the info.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Johnny Guerra cheers man! Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it!
@MrBrokenwrenches
@MrBrokenwrenches 4 жыл бұрын
I love this channel. Outstanding video.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much sir!
@ginocentofanti7151
@ginocentofanti7151 Жыл бұрын
oh and great video by the way. Very good if starting out, nice and clear.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@jmacca67
@jmacca67 4 жыл бұрын
Great video as with all your other videos you are easy to understand and cover all basic steps which gives confidence to the beginner keep it up, thanks for the inspiration from an Aussie fan
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah John! Really happy you enjoyed this one. Cheers to Australia from Texas
@kanatislings9307
@kanatislings9307 Жыл бұрын
Great info!!! Thanks for spreading the knowledge!!!😎😎🔥🔥🔥
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@trainwon5699
@trainwon5699 2 жыл бұрын
Great job thanks
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@meganw6007
@meganw6007 Ай бұрын
Great information, and thank you for explaining it so well!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@andrewneilson227
@andrewneilson227 4 жыл бұрын
Really great video. One of the best explanations I've ssen. Love the channel!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thank you sir!
@sailor382
@sailor382 3 жыл бұрын
Greetings from NE Mississippi. Great video! Glad I found your channel.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thank you!
@pozoux
@pozoux 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@thomaschetney990
@thomaschetney990 3 жыл бұрын
I really liked your vid. very informative
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@DarJakBar
@DarJakBar 3 жыл бұрын
great Video Red, i found this very interesting and helpful for my first 1080 knife. Thanks
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah! Thanks man. Glad you liked it. Have a great week!
@boyarvalishin9565
@boyarvalishin9565 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing video. I always read Stacy's advice on Bladeforums. His advice is great, and seeing it in video format is awesome. Thanks!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you sir!
@baloneylorddonkeyhammer2273
@baloneylorddonkeyhammer2273 3 жыл бұрын
That was awesome man thank you as a new hobbiest that was the most clear and concise walk through on heat treat thank you for a great video
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers Mike!
@jamieclarkful
@jamieclarkful Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great video. You just helped me get the heat treat right on my first tempered blade!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad I could help!
@IssamAlameh
@IssamAlameh 2 жыл бұрын
all the best mate, loved your style
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks a ton!
@lalo61
@lalo61 5 ай бұрын
Very well explain thank you
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 5 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@MrCremonese9addi
@MrCremonese9addi 4 жыл бұрын
Never seen such a crystal clear explanation. Thanks a lot for this video.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, I really appreciate your comment. Means a lot to me. Thank you for stopping by!
@davidscadlock5569
@davidscadlock5569 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial!!! Thank you!! I have learned a great deal from you KZbins. I a newbie and you and others have been a great asset. When I get a shop setup, I will use you clean, neat shop as the standard to strive for!!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much David! I appreciate that! I try to keep a clean, organized shop
@dotory1ea
@dotory1ea 3 жыл бұрын
nice. really really nice. most helpful video for beginner like me. thx, bro.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to hear that!
@Jothebro2008_DaboyzCinematic
@Jothebro2008_DaboyzCinematic 2 жыл бұрын
thank you so much for the great video! i will use this information in the process of making my first knife! ☺
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Good luck man!
@neolithx
@neolithx 4 жыл бұрын
Great job, you put all of the good factual information that is scattered around the web into one well-done video
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@sirmaximus100
@sirmaximus100 4 жыл бұрын
Good explanation. Enjoyed the video and very informative!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Glad you liked the video! Cheers 🙌
@sirmaximus100
@sirmaximus100 4 жыл бұрын
JKeetonKnives what’s your opinion on doing a knife out of 4140? I got a scrap piece of 4140 that’s 1/4” thick flat ground out of our machine shop where I work. Just wonder how hard it would be to work as a stock removal project. I don’t know how it would perform as a finished product. Thank you for your time.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
sirmaximus100 I don’t have any experience working with 4140... so I can’t really say for sure. I know you can get it hard so that’s promising. 1/4” is pretty darn thick
@citylotgardening6171
@citylotgardening6171 Жыл бұрын
Great video 👍
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Thanks 👍
@doodysdaggers
@doodysdaggers Жыл бұрын
Yeah dude. So much convoluted information on this out there. Nice to finally get simple and concise steps on quenching and tempering 1095.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Thanks man. I will say 1095 has some differences then 1084 if you want to get the most out of it. I do think you can get a decent HT on 1095 with these steps; but to get it 100% right, I'm fairly sure you need soaking times; which is pretty hard to do with a forge. 1085 and 80CRV are the easiest forge HTs to my knowledge
@doodysdaggers
@doodysdaggers Жыл бұрын
@@RedBeardOps well shit, I misread your title haha Got a video on 1095?
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
@@doodysdaggers I do not...but this link will allow you to search bladeforums.... which will have many threads on it. Good luck! cse.google.com/cse?cx=012217165931761871935:iqyc7cbzhci
@IRONMANMETALBILLDANKANIS
@IRONMANMETALBILLDANKANIS Жыл бұрын
Thanks, good video. God bless.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@jacoklopper4772
@jacoklopper4772 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing 👏
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you found it useful!
@keenan8144
@keenan8144 4 жыл бұрын
awesome video thanks i will be heat treating my first knife this weekend.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Good luck sir!
@thomasclayon9143
@thomasclayon9143 4 жыл бұрын
Super excited that I have found your channel. I have yet to forge a blade. I have 5 blades (1080) ground, profiled and ready to heat treat. Just finished building my forge last weekend. After the holidays I plan on using your forge burner video to build my own. Thanks alot, gonna binge for a while on your channel and try to soak up some knowledge. Thanks and keep them coming.👍
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey man, I really appreciate that! I'm happy it's helping you out. Let me know how it all works out for you. Thanks for watching! Have a good day!
@stancoironworks
@stancoironworks 2 жыл бұрын
i revisit this video from time to time for a refresher. Still probably the most informative channels on youtube.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@gradymcnutt2247
@gradymcnutt2247 4 жыл бұрын
Some very good information. Thanks for posting. A year and 6 months and I’ll be making knifes.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Grady, cheers man! Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed this one!
@anthonystrunk5360
@anthonystrunk5360 4 жыл бұрын
Well explained
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@robbyb4959
@robbyb4959 4 жыл бұрын
Great video
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Robby, thank you very much! Glad you liked it.
@steveboehme3678
@steveboehme3678 2 жыл бұрын
Thank You
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Welcome!
@stoneblue1795
@stoneblue1795 4 жыл бұрын
Your shop is always nice and neat. Things appear to be set up well and I like the layout. I think your organization tendencies no doubt carry through to your end result or product. ~Well done.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! And thanks for watching!
@DogsaladSalad
@DogsaladSalad Жыл бұрын
I managed to make a spring temper on a 5160 sword a few years ago, just by guessing. Maybe Lucky but I think it's pretty easy to heat treat as well
@waynewalker315
@waynewalker315 4 жыл бұрын
Very good info brother. Look forward to more videos and tool reviews. Not sure if you have already, but I am getting interested in Kydex sheath making utilizing minimal or homemade tools. Thanks again!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Wayne Walker cheers man! Glad you liked it! This is pretty much how I do kydex now days: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Zp2vlquanbusfZY
@backwardsyoga
@backwardsyoga 4 жыл бұрын
Your forge setup looks really clean. As an absolute beginner, I'd love to see a video on how to make one like that. Great content my man!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Oliver! Thanks for the comment. I wish I was making videos back when I built my forge. It pains me to think about taking it apart just to make a video though. I do have some videos on how I put together the burner! Forced Air Burner - kzbin.info/www/bejne/jaWmiJWiYrZonNE Venturi Burner - kzbin.info/www/bejne/iXKzaYuepMR8bNk
@chriswatson9108
@chriswatson9108 4 жыл бұрын
I would also love to see more info on your setup. Any chance you could do a walk around with some background on how you built it without taking it apart? Definitely a fan of your channel!
@NRiggiKnives
@NRiggiKnives 4 жыл бұрын
Great video and explanation as always. 1084 is a great steel and I used a lot of it when I started out. I now use AEB-L a lot and have to send it out to HT, but have been contemplating getting an oven soon.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks Nick! I'd love an oven too! Just gotta save my dollars. I feel like for those guys thinking about making their first couple of knives 1080 is a no brainier! I still use it almost exclusively.
@philanthropicnightmare1206
@philanthropicnightmare1206 3 жыл бұрын
You can print this out to take to your shop if you want Normalize 1st cycle: 1,800 F 2nd cycle: 1,600 F (Critical/nonmagnetic temp = 1,333 F-go by magnet- From there, go by color chart) Quench Heat a gallon or more of quenching oil (canola oil) up to around 120 F with a hot piece of steel (less than a gal. Will heat up the oil too fast) Heat steel up to 1,500 F and quench with in-out motion Test Try filing. The file shouldn’t do anything but cut through the layer of de-carb Temper Pre-heat toaster oven to 410 F Two cycles-two hours each, cool in water between cycles Done and done
@wmcutlery54
@wmcutlery54 2 жыл бұрын
I use 1095/5160/80crv2 & 1095 with 15n20 most of the time. I harden at 1600 & temper at 500. I almost always have a good knife blank at these numbers. I do some normalization before hardening. I also use warm olive oil as a quinch medium.
@armadilloforge
@armadilloforge 4 жыл бұрын
Nicely done. Well thought out planned presentation. Good Information. See ya'll directly...
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers man! Thanks for watching. I hope it can get some new makers off the sidelines and into the shop to try out knife making.
@julianm690
@julianm690 4 жыл бұрын
currently im making my first knife with 5160 and this really helped me with the heat treatment, you re a great teacher and love your videos. keep up with the good work
@julianm690
@julianm690 4 жыл бұрын
greetings from buenos aires, argentina !!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Awesome man! Argentina is pretty far away! I will say 5160 has some different heat treating properties than 1080. It would be worth your time researching the details because I’m not as versed with 5160. Cheers! Thanks for watching
@bctruck
@bctruck 4 жыл бұрын
Wow! That was a ton of info I can use. If your not a teacher, you should be! I’m a yankee but I’ve been in the Deep South for over 40 of my 60 years. Great video!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man! Glad you liked it. I learned most of what I know off of bladeforums. The guys there are really a wealth of information. My goal with this video was to put it all together in an easily digestible format for the new makers (and intermediates like me). Really appreciate your comment! Cheers.
@benwan5425
@benwan5425 4 жыл бұрын
BCtruck, rebuild, repair,repurpose him and Walter sorrells helped me a lot
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
@@benwan5425 Thank you sir!
@nateand3
@nateand3 4 жыл бұрын
I told him a while back that he might even be a better teacher than knife maker....and i was really hoping it didn't sound like a jab on his knife making skills
@derkdaiglerable
@derkdaiglerable 3 жыл бұрын
Hell yeah bro ! Fellow texan here !
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah! Glad you liked this one. Have a great week in the best state, sir!
@mydivot1344
@mydivot1344 Жыл бұрын
Great video.. very informative. I use the same color chart that you put up and it really helps. I just started knife making and went with the parks 50 quench oil. I was gifted some 1095 and the first couple quenches didn’t go well. I watched the color more closely and the next time it went perfectly. Keep up the good work my friend.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@M.Melnick
@M.Melnick Жыл бұрын
Thanks for doing this video and be as detailed as you were. I was able to take a piece of stock, hack saw, files and make a fully heat treated, scaled and sharpened leather utility knife. Now I am hooked!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Heck yeah Michael! Cheers
@luciusirving5926
@luciusirving5926 Жыл бұрын
Good thing my cold chisels don't care as much about tempering. In the daytime, I just get my tool to a plain orange color and edge quench it in a soybean-mineral oil mix.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
There you go Lucius!
@MrSoloun
@MrSoloun 4 жыл бұрын
LOL, I'll catch Y'all :) Great Vid I didn't know it was ok to speed up cooling during tempering, good vid with great info that will everyone that watches.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much! Good old bladeforums.com research for the win. Ton of useful info on there. Sped up my process significantly when I learned that one.
@lesamisdeleuro1017
@lesamisdeleuro1017 2 жыл бұрын
Vous êtes un professionnel artistes coul 👍😉
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Merci!
@4trout12429
@4trout12429 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. I have read and watched many heat treat videos, but very few use a home propane forge to heat treat. For small knives I use a two brick forge, but longer knives I use my larger forge made from a propane tank. Temper like you do. I use 1084 also. Your details help remind me of the correct method step by step. Thanks for a great heat treating video!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey Joseph! Appreciate the praise. Just going though the process of making this video reminded me of some little things that I forgot about! Don't get me wrong... I'm saving up for a HT oven, but I feel like you can get a pretty damn good HT with the forge! Bladesmiths have been doing it for 100s of years. 👍
@waynecurie71
@waynecurie71 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks from th UK
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@18deadmonkeys
@18deadmonkeys 2 жыл бұрын
using 1084 for the first time next week. Great information and presented nicely. When tempering in my oven, I put all of my cast iron skillets stacked on the lower rack. Keeps the ramping up/down at a minimum.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Very cool! Cheers sir!
@olivermilutinovic749
@olivermilutinovic749 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info. So for the normalisation you start from the upper end, work your way down to the temperature that you will be quenching the blade on the third cycling. I thought that your last normalisation heat would be sub critical or below where a magnet is still sticking to the steel for a fine grain structure. I need to experiment. I will try the above.
@yasyasmarangoz3577
@yasyasmarangoz3577 3 жыл бұрын
What the hell man, that was great! Thanks a lot!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir! Glad you liked it!
@crossfitcountryboy
@crossfitcountryboy 3 жыл бұрын
PERFECT video breakdown on info every beginning knife maker MUST know! THANNKS!! #SweetBeard
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Cheers man! Glad you liked it!
@kevinmorgan6382
@kevinmorgan6382 2 жыл бұрын
Fine video... BTW, I've recently started watching 'the UKbladeshow' metallurgist Graham Clark about heat treating and tempering... Really good stuff like you don't need to normalize three times, just anneal and cycle once 200 above critical is all the grain refinement needed to be ready for quench... Keep up the good work!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@BTrep113
@BTrep113 2 жыл бұрын
“Cause I’m not a yankee” 😂 Love the content man!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Lol, cheers sir!
@flmoose1
@flmoose1 3 жыл бұрын
I've been watching your videos for the last couple months as I'm starting my journey into making knives. I always love the fact that you explain what you're doing and not just post Instagram unarrated videos. I built my first forge last weekend and today just heat treated my first two knives in 1095. I'm hoping it works! Currently, they are tempering. What I'd really like to know/see is the difference in treating 1095 vs 1084. Is there really that much Of a difference? If I treat 1095 the same as 1084, how will it come out? Thanks
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah Mark, glad you're enjoying them. You should be able to make "perfectly good" knives with this method and 1095, however, it's not optimal. When it comes to 1095 to get the best HT on it you really need to "soak" the blade at the target temp. This generally requires a HT oven. For this reason I recomend 1084 or maybe 1075 as a home heat treat steel.
@mariusbarnardo5592
@mariusbarnardo5592 9 ай бұрын
Always like watching your vids. Had a discussion with a bloke that wants to make he's own knives today and he asked me about steels as well. My go to is high carbon steels. Always have been and always will. And first thing I told him was to get some SAE 5160 spring steel. Such an amazing and extremely tough steel. Also super forgiving. People are scared to heat treat and yes, alot of time and effort goes into making a nice knife just to have it fail on you. So that's why so many people buy steel that has been hardened and tempered already and they just do stock removal. I see that as a problem because while cutting the steel you can over heat it and mess up the temper. And then they don't know why and just leave it. I take my hat off to you for being able to make videos like this. From a fellow blade smith (Cape town South Africa), I salute you bud! Practice makes perfect and as I like to say.... "Remember your 7 p's. Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.....
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for the comment sir! Cheers from Texas!
@geraldszaal7791
@geraldszaal7791 4 жыл бұрын
Your final comments had me rolling on the floor. I lived in Texas for about 30 years and I still remember the first words my ex-father-in-law said to me when I first met him. "You know the difference between a Yankee and a Damn Yankee? A Yankee comes to Texas for a visit. A Damn Yankee comes to Texas and stays." Well as King George would say, "All my Ex's LIve in Texas. After retiring I moved back up North to beat the heat. So in the eyes of my ex-father-in-law I'm just a Yankee, y'all. LOL Keep up the good work out yonder in Midland.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hah! Happy you liked that! I love Texas! Would be 100% happy never to have to move away. Thanks for watching, Gerald!
@wretube
@wretube 3 жыл бұрын
Hi,that was a great vid. Im wondering ,tho, why you would normalize if you are doing stock removal on a commercial knife steel (1084 in my case)
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Just to cover all my bases. In reality it's not necessary.
@The-noviceknifemaker
@The-noviceknifemaker Жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video especially on normalizing and quenching just using a forge. I do not have a heat treat oven and probably never will and everyone that I’ve run across so far basically says if you don’t have one you’re putting out an inferior product or just don’t make knives at all. I just don’t see how not being able to or not being willing to afford a $3000 heat treat oven should stop you from pursuing a hobby …again thank you
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
You can make a heck of a good knife with just a forge; especially with practice. I'd say stick to steels that are easier to forge heat treat like 1084 and 80CRV... bring the lights down; use a muffle pipe and magnet.... Also... maybe test your knives to see how you did. You may be able to find a machine shop locally that will hardness test your blades too if you're curious. Good luck!
@The-noviceknifemaker
@The-noviceknifemaker Жыл бұрын
@@RedBeardOps thanks …. What’s the muffler pipe for ? Put the blade in for even heat ?
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
@@The-noviceknifemaker exactly. It's just a piece of steel tubing to shield the blade from direct flame. You get more even heating for sure.
@ken5439
@ken5439 Жыл бұрын
Great information and well researched as usual. How about 1095? Can it be done the same way? thanks
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps Жыл бұрын
Hey Ken, thank you. You can HT 1095 this way and have a decent knife, however, to get everything out for the steel soaking at temp is ideal... so forging heat treating 1095 is difficult. This is why 1084 and 80CRV are better choices for the forge.
@kevinmichael9999
@kevinmichael9999 4 жыл бұрын
Thank You -New Guy
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah Kevin! Glad you liked it.
@ronaldderrez9683
@ronaldderrez9683 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very knowledgeable about everything. 1 question though I see you have a piece of square tubing in your forge. Is that to prevent a direct flame from touching your blade and therefore getting a even heat?
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Ronald Derrez 100% right. I use that piece of tubing as a “muffle pipe” to shield the blade from the direct flame. Gives you a more even heat. It’s capped on the back. Cheers man! Thanks for watching
@grappler185
@grappler185 3 жыл бұрын
Hey RB, Thanks for referring me to this video. It too was a big help. At the 4:37 mark, you really have that blade bending. If we temper properly, will the knife return to being straight after you take the pressure off?
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, it depends on how far you go. There is always a limit. It's a balance too. If you temper at a lower temp, you'll have a harder blade that may hold the edge better... but it will have a high chance of chipping on the edge and breaking when bending. If you temper at a higher temp, you'll have a more durable blade, but it may not hold an edge as well. It will bend better in general at higher tempering temps, but if you go "too high" it may stay bent! ... lesson is that you have to play around with it depending on what you want. ~400F is a good tempering spot to start for a 1084 knife
@mrjim69my
@mrjim69my 4 жыл бұрын
This video was great! Simple no bs I trust this bearded ginger!
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you MR Kill! Glad you enjoyed it!
@londiniumarmoury7037
@londiniumarmoury7037 3 жыл бұрын
@ 5:50 just wanted to let you know that's not normalizing, that's thermal cycling to refine grain. You only need to normalize once, you thermal cycle multiple times. Good video, Stacy is very helpful and knows his stuff, he's always quick to help me with any problems I have, I've learned a lot from him.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
He is a great source!
@colinmiddleton6316
@colinmiddleton6316 2 жыл бұрын
Great video but many of us use Celsius. It would be great I f you could flash up the conversion on the video. Cheers from Australia.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Colin, I'll try in future videos!
@swordfish1120
@swordfish1120 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. I picked up a couple of used belt grinders (2"x48" and 2"x72") for general use, but now I want to try and make a couple of knives for myself. I bought a couple of 1080 1 1/2" x1/8"x12" strips of steel to give it a shot. As a beginner is it easier to cut my basic shape and hollow grind and then heat treat? I figure the steel will be softer to work with on the grinders to get the desired hollow grind.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man, people do it both ways. I'd say get the knife 90% ground, HT, then finish grind and sand for your first try.
@HunterHilly
@HunterHilly 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for the video! I’m looking to get into knife making. My father used to make knives and has a bunch of 01 left over. Is this a good beginner steel or should I buy some 1080/1084
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 8 ай бұрын
Personally I'd start with 1080/1084; 01 takes soak times to get the most out of it.
@jcdupuy4809
@jcdupuy4809 4 жыл бұрын
So interesting. Did you make a video on a diy forge ?
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Hey JC, I had built my forge before starting my KZbin journey. So sadly I don't have a video on it. I've been tempted to re-build it, but find it a little crazy to take apart or replace a perfectly good item! lol
@camiloposada7357
@camiloposada7357 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, thanks and congrats. Have not been able to harden a 1095 blade. I being out to non magnetic, a little more and quench. It hardens but too soft. Tried 4 times. Still can garden after these many attempts? Thanks again
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Camilo, you can for sure still harden it after those attempts. I'm not sure where your issue lies. I will say 1095 is not as forgiving as 1084
@camiloposada7357
@camiloposada7357 2 жыл бұрын
@@RedBeardOps thanks for taking the time to replay. I'll try to regulate better the of the forge, a little cooler and maybe a 1x2 steel tubing to put the knife in.
@daviddavenport6896
@daviddavenport6896 4 жыл бұрын
Great info and precise. We appreciate it! I’m making my first knife from a chainsaw blade. Does it need heat treated? Which steel are they? I say y’all too.
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure on that. I'd say yes on the HT.
@marioz.3022
@marioz.3022 4 жыл бұрын
can you make a video about 1070 aka c70 steel heat treatment ?
@RedBeardOps
@RedBeardOps 4 жыл бұрын
Sorry Sir, I don't have much experience with those steels yet! Sorry for the delayed response!
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