How To Install An Inner Forestay Boat DIY Ep 92

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Hello all, We are out in the open ocean. We shall answer comments when we are back online Thanks all Luke and Adam

[@cbrucewarren]

... and you typically don't fly both head sails on a solent rig;

[@jimmy6283]

Please do a video on how and wot it takes to do your life, fees boat prices and all round costs, take care lads, I'm from Lancashire and love your videos and wanna move all aboard and never come bk, true freedom were all chaseing

[@patricklaine6958]

I think you'll love that solent rig guys --- especially when the wind is above 25 kts. The boat will feel so much more under control...... Being able to reef it would be a super addition as well when you have the opportunity. Hope the passage to Bermuda was uneventful. :-)

[@PaudolphyGmail]

Nice to see you here Patrick, one question, why the solent rig will make the boat to feel more under control? because you use only the smaler front sail? Is it useful in any point of sail or specially reaching.. or some other? Thanks!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Hey Patrick thanks very much for your comments! The passage to Bermuda was eventful to say the least. We have used the new rig wing on wing and it is amazing! We love your videos keep them coming. Cheers Patrick 🤘

[@DaleShirley-o1u]

Now you guys are showing off!!!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Well 😁

[@geraldinepluyms5935]

It is Lush! Right frickin on. Don't need to answer my comment. Im just saying/typing it, is all. Love to you- big smile emoji

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Very lush, we will always answer 🙏. Love to you too

[@stephenreardon2205]

Hoping to set up my cutter rig soon and my reaction will be the same. Tears in my eyes with excitement and emotion

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It's definitely one of the best things we've done to the boat 🤙

[@geoffallen1331]

You both look so well. Promise me though that next time your doing anything with a chisle you think about doing it away from any limbs. 12 years as a paramedic I've seen a few chisles through legs and feet because of the very things you guys were doing. Have a great sail down. Love the site.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

I would have never chiseled towards my leg if it was sharp. It's so blunt it couldn't even punch her a block of cheese 🤣🤣. Seriously though next time I should chisel away from my leg! We had a very eventful sail down Geoff

[@julianbatcheler9970]

Amazing. Never seen anyone thin a sheet of plywood like that… incredible.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It's the way to do it if you have very limited tools 🤣

[@julianbatcheler9970]

@@TheSailingBrothers or get a thiner bit of ply

[@FiddlingwithmyWhistle]

Well done on getting on the News... the O-1 work visa for the USA should be easy to get now we love the new Staysail and red ropes :)

[@ConstantThrowing]

What channel? Is it on KZbin?

[@ConstantThrowing]

Sorry, just got to the bit with the clip!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks fiddling with my whistle 😁. We can't believe we were on the news!

[@gaplife3611]

As normal a great watch. Have a safe passage down to the Bahamas. I start my around the world sailing adventure in March 23. & we are going to cross the Atlantic in November. So over the next few years we may come across you guys, so I can buy you both a beer and say thanks for the great entertainment you provide. ⛵️⛵️

[@Gfc22]

Snap! What's your point of departure? I will be leaving South if France mid-March for a summer of fun before heading across the pond just 12 months from now🤞

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We wish you the best of luck for your world sailing adventure! We made it to the Bahamas last night. Good luck with your Atlantic crossing, I'm sure you will love the experience. We will hold you to that beer 😁

[@heatherrawls6015]

Atlas looks even more beautiful with the new sail setup

[@TheSailingBrothers]

She really does ✌️

[@DaleShirley-o1u]

Beautiful hardware SS!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We agree!

[@R.E.HILL_]

Nice one... I'm expecting some insane wing on wing downwind sailing.. 😉🙂 Oh.. don't forget to bring enough cheese..

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We did have some amazing wing on Wing sailing yippee 😁. And we didn't run out of cheese

[@ianfirth-clark5975]

Didn't think Atlas could look any better but the Cutter rig is looking great

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks very much Ian she does look really really nice

[@novocain13]

Oh my.. That was some Serious drinking, Luke!! 😂😂😂 Very nice setup of the sails too. I’m curious to know how it works out. I will find out! Thanks for sharing. Onwards!..

[@TheSailingBrothers]

The setup is working really well as you will see in videos to come 😉

[@davidalexander-watts6630]

Really good to see you investing in Atlas and making her even better - she deserves it!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It's what we saved our money for. Atlas absolutely loves her new jewelry

[@loulabag]

Love your enthusiasm for such simple things 💙

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We are simple people 😂😂

[@loulabag]

@@TheSailingBrothers well just carry on up the kyber guys 🥰

[@madprof6719]

Atlas is looking stunning, lads!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Mad😎

[@clydedentremont6498]

Clyde and I watched this one last night. Getting ready to head south. Hope it’s warmer there than here.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It certainly is s lot warmer down here now Clyde and Jacqueline 👌

[@geraldinepluyms5935]

LOL. the true roasted canadian chicken ( Ive just noticed thanks to your video) Same container, same deliciousness. From Victoria BC

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Absolutely bloody delicious 😋🤤

[@dale6349]

Beautiful work inner fore stay!!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We love it!!

[@jeffwelsby943]

Good luck guys, great job on the new rig. Like others I was concerned for Lukes knee v chisel. But that's coming from a bloke who drilled through his thumb when a drill snapped😬. Great video take care.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Jeff 😁. I really shouldn't have been chiseling towards my knee 🤣. I think you have us mixed up, that's for me Adam. I once drilled into my son in work a long time ago it was horrendous

[@snowyowl539]

Well I didn’t understand most of what you were doing but it looked great . Love watching you two . Atlas looks great x

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Absolutely brilliant 🤣🤣. Thanks Snowy owl 😁

[@valerianthemackiii5896]

🤩👍- L♡VE ya M8s! Safe boating...

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Valerian 😁😎✌️

[@ray8328]

Looking forward to seeing the staysail in action

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It looks pretty damn great Ray 👌

[@alanabroad3471]

If this video was posted 8 hours ago then how did you post your comment 8 days ago?

[@ray8328]

@@alanabroad3471 A benefit of being a Patreon is you get early access to their videos.

[@georgeroach7499]

Best of luck to you on the open ocean, Can't wait for the videos.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks George very much appreciated 🤘

[@mandmmilling3716]

You should over size your new holes, then fill them with epoxy, then drill the correct size holes. It will protect the core incase the bolts ever leak.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We have no core in the deck it is solid fiberglass 💪

[@markph0204]

Thanks for sharing!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

No problem Mark 😊

[@cbrucewarren]

just to be picky: you have made a solent rig, where inner stay terminates at top of mast and both sails are foresails. A staysail is flown on a cutter rig where the inner fore stay terminates part way up the mast.... Fair winds lads,

[@TheSailingBrothers]

You are correct. I looked this up beforehand and it's described as a solent/ slutter rig 👍

[@helmrichharms2225]

Right, so your new inner stay is a Solent stay. Won't give you increased performance on a close reach, but better downwind sailing wing to wing and more flexibility to reduce sail area when sailing with inreasing windspeed, better upwind performance in strong winds and less stress for your genoa by avoiding to sail upwind with a half roled in genoa. A roler furler is never a good roler reefer. I plan to do the same this winter on my Allegro 27. Fair winds and following seas

[@paulmccarthy8243]

We have set up our Oyster 35 in a similar manner, the staysail on the inner forestay is very useful upwind in a stronger breeze. It makes helming much easier on a beat as the boat tracks much more smoothly.

[@jamesa7506]

The information you've provided is both edifying and well stated, not "picky" at all. Clear and correct information is a valuable commodity. Thank you.

[@Clover12346]

Hemlock is extremely strong

[@PilotManForever]

Love to see a tac or jibe. Wondering how much that inner gets in the way.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Believe me it get to the way!

[@jamesa7506]

"Sharing is caring." Except, of course, if it's STD's...you can keep those all to yourself. 😁👍Atlas looks prim and proper all decked out with her new sails and rigging, great job my friends!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Ok James 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. Unless it's really proud of her new jewelry

[@jesusbeiro6113]

Atlas looks lovely!!! Good luck and fair winds to Bermuda guys !!! ... a big cheers from Muros !!!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Really could have done with some good luck from the dolphin 🐬

[@davidbarnfield9849]

Well done lads your DIY skills have improved 100 % looking forward to seeing your new inner sail in action. Stay Safe on your sail to Bermuda Fair Winds. Dave B. Thailand.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Dave. I thought we did a pretty good job on that install as well for a bunch of amateurs 🤣

[@dale6349]

Additional wood spreads the load!!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

That right 👍

[@mateofleet3390]

So good to see you guys with all your new rigging on and dual sails. Safe travels

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It's really has turned into a game changer 👌

[@garyseven777]

Brilliantly 🎉

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Gary ✌️

[@ribblegiggle]

Lot's of fun experiments with the new front bit guys. Can't wait for your reports. Best wishes as usual. Simon

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It has worked out fantastic Simon. Atlas just loves the new rig ⛵

[@shabbin10]

Atlas looks fantastic!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

And she knows it Shannon ⛵

[@lesshort2049]

Good luck with your trip south lads.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Les much appreciated!

[@martinbirdiebrain1912]

Luke you are crazy as hell!! That water bottle thing had me 😂😂😂 Good job with the inner forestay looking great 👌🏻 Yes use the word ropes, Sheets, lines, halyards, etc are words I’ve got to get my head around very soon, ⛵️⛵️⛵️ 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@TheSailingBrothers]

You are right Martin Luke is crazy as hell 🤣🤣. Luke always uses the term ropes 😁. Basically a rope is a rope. Our inner stay is working great 👍

[@shirleygriffin7672]

Nice seeing you today. Stay safe, warm and healthy out there........... back from crystal digging today in the Quachita mountains USA childfree

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Crystal digging? Wow did you find any? 😁

[@peterb9038]

Nice one, good luck with the sea trails, looking forward to seeing the Atlas new performance increase.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Peter. We have used the stay sail quite a bit now and it is fantastic 🙂

[@dadcanufixit]

A quick tip with dewalt drills. When you tighten up the chuck on a drill go as tight as you can then come back one click. This locks the chuck on the drill bit. It wont come loose in the hole like happened here. Great job on the install but i have a nagging feeling that using aluminium washers and spreader plate with stainless steel bolts may bite back due to dissimilar metal corrossion.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

I will definitely give this a go with the drill Steve. Someone else mentioned the use of stainless steel with aluminum. We are keeping a close eye on this

[@dadcanufixit]

@@TheSailingBrothers if you ever had metal fillings in your mouth and touched them with silver foil then you will understand the reactions of dissimilar metal.

[@rainfinger]

Great job!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Rauf✌️

[@MCallsen]

And so suddenly there is a cutter rigg! Good work and amazing fun to watch. 15k subscribers by the end of year!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We hope so MCallsen 👌⛵

[@williambell8282]

Where is the chain locker?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It's in the v birth William

[@redwood1957]

Looking foward to your trip. Could you please let us know the effects of the new sail. Thank you

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We will let you know redwood 😁. Keep watching

[@wynyardhandyman]

Great job, looks great - stay safe!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Wynyard 🤘

[@neverendingrefit759]

watching *very* closely your "get the bit back out again when it falls out of the chuck" . Yep, obvious you've put the hours in honing that skill, definite cruising sailor 😆

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks never ending refit 😁

[@garymoxon1980]

Great video guy's love the concept, but aluminium backing plates and stainless steel bolts will not last very long.put some plastic between the two different metals and it will last soo much longer.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks for the advice Gary really much appreciated buddy will jump on that 😁

[@dowser81]

Holy smokes chiselling towards your knees like that 😳😳😳😳😳😳 you’ve got to be bloody careful lads

[@TheSailingBrothers]

The chisel was extremely blunt I would never have done it with a sharp one 😉

[@stevelawrie9115]

Over engineering is way better than under engineering :)

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Very right Steve ✌️

[@ConstantThrowing]

8:10 the only comment I'd like to make is that I was concerned that Luke might injur his knee with that blinking chisel. Think my heart rate went up a couple of dozen beats a minute, boys! That said, glad you got the job done and it's a display of resourcefulness isn't it really. I don't see any H&S people about anyway!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

I wouldn't be too worried Robert as the chisel was so blunt! But hey you really should chisel away from your body. We just crack on with it 😁

[@duncanwrigley3707]

Looking good! Two points, please don’t chisel towards your knees/body! When you’re sailing normally will the the inner forestay be located? Can interfere with your tacking if left in place! Hope you’re enjoying a good passage 🍀👍all the best from Harwich, Essex.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Not to worry Duncan as the chisel was extremely blunt. Unfortunately we have to furl the Genoa to tack as it's fixed in place. You can remove it as it's only a turnbuckle and pin but today is nowhere to properly store it at the moment 🤔

[@MAireton]

Hope you guys are ok..Been looking for this weeks episode and can't find it

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It was a little late coming out. We released it yesterday afternoon 😁

[@carbidegrd1]

So every time you tack, you have to roll up the head sail and then unfurl on the opp side?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

That's exactly right unfortunately

[@richardayres2949]

What is supporting the back of the mast against the forward pull from the inner forestry? Running back stays?

[@richardmclaren8549]

I believe it is a solent rig which goes very nearly to the top of the mast and so the back stay will still hold every thing tight. A true cutter rig with a staysail would need runners or running back stays. Good job all round though. 🐟 😁

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We don't need running back stays as the boat is not a proper cutter rig. It's more of a solant rig. The stay is positioned high on the mast and far forward on the bow.

[@DM-tn6jd]

Hey Brothers, love the channel. Newbie question so I’m sure I’ll get smashed by the know it alls…. but with that new forestay doesn’t it make it hard to tack with the genoa out or partly out? It looks like you will have to wind the genoa right in to get it around the forestay? Or is the point of it that you don’t use the genoa much anymore? Clearly I’m not understanding something here so please let me know. Agree though it does look awesome.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

You are perfectly correct. Each time we tack we have to furl the Genoa unless we get a detachable head stay. It's a bit of pain in the bum but it is what it is. The benefits outweigh the disadvantages ⛵

[@jomurphy7106]

Is that Hemlock wood that you used?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

That's correct Jo

[@grahamwoodage3515]

Should use a hot iron to delaminate the ply wood. Miles easier

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Never even thought of that Graham 🤔

[@fionahartery5255]

Cutter rig my favorite. It's quite a long way forward. Is that for performance? All looking good, take care

[@TheSailingBrothers]

To be honest it's more like a solent rig because they stay is very far forward. It's because the bracket in the mast was near the top.

[@EdwardSeatonSailings]

Nice job on the editing again, Luke! Looking forward to seeing your epic trip south, and then what? Are you planning on going through to the Pacific? I've been out solo sailing a bunch, so I might be ready by the time you make it up to San Fran... assuming you go north. I've heard it's not an easy sail.

[@EdwardSeatonSailings]

also, I had the same argument about lines vs ropes, but with myself ;) kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYqUp2yQl898rLs

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Edward, Luke will be please 😁. We will be going through the Panama canal into the Pacific. Not sure if we are heading north or across to New Zealand. Watch this space

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks for the link Edward, nice watch

[@EdwardSeatonSailings]

@@TheSailingBrothers I'll be watching! It'd be cool to bump into you guys one day.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

@@EdwardSeatonSailings that would be great

[@harmonyacres0351]

Now, how about running backstays? Wing and wing puts new pressures on the backstay.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

No need for running backstays Stephen as the stay is very high up the mast near the top. If we ever had an issue we would use a halyard ✌️

[@elados6954]

Are the heads on the cup head bolts going to shear off ?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

I certainly hope not

[@elados6954]

Sorry but I asked the question before seeing the hole video cheers

[@johngray812]

The wood for inner stay should epoxies to prevent rotting..

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We have glassed everything in now John ✌️

[@dale6349]

Our boat wasn't designed for cutter rig and turned out to be the work horse going to weather

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Would recommend any vessel going cutter 😉

[@psotos]

Nice foreplay, i mean forestay! LOL I'll bet that adds 1-2 knots to your speed. What was your average cruising speed down to Bermuda? Were you noticeably faster?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

🤣🤣opps Our average speed was terrible. We didn't have the best of weather. Lots of headwinds and rough seas 😧.

[@hayleycray589]

How did you attach it to your mast? How far up?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

There was already a fitting for the stay built into the mast around 4 ft from the top 👍

[@hayleycray589]

@@TheSailingBrothers do you have any extra stays running back to support it? I am looking to do this on my boat, we have a fitting already there as well but not sure if we need to add extra support

[@TheSailingBrothers]

@@hayleycray589 we have no extra, should be ok

[@trhosking]

What did that piece of plywood do to deserve that?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

🤣🤣

[@DaleShirley-o1u]

Actually you are naturals!

[@obiwanfisher537]

Oh tacking will be a nightmare. Gotta furl it all the time now or just use the inner forestay. Are you an innie or an outtie person? Just make sure you don't overload your rig.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Tracking is a pain in the **** I like the innie 😁, more versatile

[@jaysea1553]

Guys you have done it again great episode good luck with everything

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Jay we really appreciate it ✌️

[@sproket168]

Why the iner fore stay boys ?

[@TheSailingBrothers]

To Hank on a jib for wing on wing down wind and storm jib

[@bruce2sail]

You can never be too prepared for an offshore passage in October. Must’ve been a rocky ride, especially across the ‘stream! But succeed you did!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

It was a passage we have been thinking about for a very long time as we know it can be extremely difficult or even impossible to get back down south at that time of the year. We were worried about being stuck in Nova Scotia for winter ❄️

[@bruce2sail]

@@TheSailingBrothers the sea gods were merciful thankfully, and you were delivered to the south lands. Can’t wait to learn about your passage to paradise.

[@DaleShirley-o1u]

Great work on the breast hook looks sound!!

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thank you 🙏

[@bigsighmusicdroneblogs1843]

Do not fancy putting little 360 cctv camera at the top of thr mast , so you can see outside high point from inside cabin Security and bad weather sit inside keep watch all around

[@TheSailingBrothers]

We have thought about this. Another KZbinr has fitted a camera at the top of the mast. It would be quite fancy and come in handy. Maybe in the future

[@bigsighmusicdroneblogs1843]

@@TheSailingBrothers could sit below deck watch wher your going comfortable stead of on deck

[@MrBernie101]

SO, WE'RE NOW CUTTER RIGGED .HiYa Adam HiYa Luke, Well, that went quite smoothly, although we don't see or hear, the profanities that often accompany this kind of work. I thought when you were sawing, the piece you wanted, was gonna go plop !!!! in the ogin, but no. Then the instruction of how to bury a blunt chisel into ones leg, was quite self explanatory also. But seriously, Guys, you're next passage, although has been done before, it is unusual, but hey, you are OCEAN YACHTSMEN, you know what yer doin', yer not foolhardy, and when things don't go to plan, and they will, you will deal with it. Maybe have a cheese sarnie first, but you will, overcome. On a final note, at the end of yer vids, Luke goes into his keep fit routines ? Arms & legs going everywhere. W H Y ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣 God Speed you both on this journey, will speak again when yer in Bermuda. 👍👍Many Kind Regards, Barnacle Bern SY Cadbri SW Wales. 😎

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Hey Bernie how's it goin There was quite a bit of cursing during the making of this video however we need to keep it family orientated 🤣. The chisel was never in any danger of burying itself in my knee as it was insanely blunt 🤣🤣. This passage South or something we have been thinking about for a very long time. It's known to be very difficult and not many people do it or make it. We were worried about being stuck in Canada over winter. A cheese sandwich really does fix everything 🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀🧀 . I have no idea what the arms and legs bit is I shall have a look 🤔. Maybe it's something to do with Luke's Editing

[@johnburgess5534]

Don’t rubbish the nautical vocabulary. It’s been in normal boating use for centuries. Phrases like “rope things” etc makes you come across as bumpkins instead of the accomplished mariners you’ve become. Capt John.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Captain John. I keep telling Luke but he won't listen! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@bennosijsjeslijmer4333]

Spoil of plastic bottles

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Luke being silly

[@romeowhiskey1146]

SPOILER ALERT: The vessel is currently at port ST GEORGES, BERMUDA after a voyage of 16 days, 22 hours originating from port LAHAVE RIVER, CA.

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Thanks Romeo. It was actually nine days. A crazy eventful tough challenging 9 days

[@wellsgb1957]

Good stuff gentleman 👍🏻👍🏻

[@TheSailingBrothers]

Cheers Andy ✌️