How to Lower your Deck's Mana Curve in Commander | Advice for Budget, Casual, or Competitive EDH

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We've got the hot and spicy tips here to help you lower your average cmc or mana curve! This is going to help you double spell more often, and even make some cuts if you are over on cards. There's a ton of benefits that we go over, and you get to reap all the rewards!

[@alexstewart8877]

I told my wife I just watched a video on KZbin that will give her universal tips for lowering her curves and she got mad at me for some reason.

[@asethi_01]

What a lie magic players don't have wives

[@NitpickingNerds]

She must not want to make her edh game play better

[@Thescreamingpizza8030]

Probably took it as you saying she sucks. I was thinking about showing my friend this video as he is making a mono red dragon deck and yeah. Cool deck but..if you can only cast 3 dragons the whole game then its gonna be kinda depressing to watch.

[@hoppeltrottel7484]

@@Thescreamingpizza8030 Around 40 lands and one dozen mana rocks in the 1 - 4 CMC slots should do the job. Add cards like Tectonic Reformation and Jalum Tome to turn excess lands into value. Also, Zirilan of the Claw or Purphoros, the Bronze- Blooded in the Command Zone. Mono red dragons rule!

[@Thescreamingpizza8030]

@@hoppeltrottel7484 he went with zirilan, I was going to do purphoros before I found out it was basically a dragon deck so I didn't want to step on his toes. Instead I'm doing the og purphoros as a Goblin deck. I pretty much told him the same. Like minimum 8-10 2 and 3 drop rocks and as many mana cost reducers as possible. He should be able to turbo out them dragons buy turn 4 or 5

[@PlayerThe90]

Nice video! In the universal tips there the benefit of drawing less attention to your board. Thus leading to safer and efficient plays!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Totally agree :D

[@justcurious4592]

@@NitpickingNerdso

[@samdunn5846]

Being able to play more stuff is always fun! Ive played a gimmicky eggs deck and even when I was losing I was having fun

[@NitpickingNerds]

I feel the same way! It feels bad to lose a game without making any meaningful decisions

[@jakeapplegate6642]

Agreed. Win or lose it always feels better when you get to play your cards.

[@lolcomment101]

Thank you for making videos that risk telling people what they don't want to hear. No one wants to hear about how their deck isn't good enough, no matter how true it is. " What is good enough? " - Yeah, I understand that, and so do you guys. Only a few videos in, and I'm glad I found you. Much better so far than channels like Playing with Power or Tolarian Community College. Neither of those channels really tell the whole story. They just tell people what they want to hear for views. You guys sound like you've read some of Patrick Chapin's books. Many kudos.

[@thatguycam1989]

Awesome. It's also worth noting that consolidating your strategy is also a good way to better manage your average cmc. When you can test run a strategy and also through any alternative counter-strategies within the same curve, you are that much more likely to consistently carry the game to your desired win con.

[@timhartel8012]

You guys are like the best new content makers I’ve seen for a while. Keep it up! Also great hoodies.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Thanks Tim! Can I ask what you like (or dislike) about us especially? Always love hearing feedback

[@Krunschy]

One big thing you should also consider for a smooth running deck is mana-costing activated abilities that you rely on. So mostly equipments and certain commanders. When counting for average cmc (though not for the curve) I would consider their cmc as their cmc + activation cost.

[@darkrexkigntstone8773]

I like your videos. They help me make my decks better. It's so hard to fix the mana curve for Hallar, but I been working on the deck. Tribe scout out. Also when I buy cards I use your link. Hope it helps.

[@NitpickingNerds]

It totally does and we love you

[@JoshuaGonzalez-nw1vh]

Would definitely want to see you guys take on limited! Been meaning to request that in a comment, actually. Limited is probably the best way to play Magic imo, not that I play it too much.

[@suntitan4419]

Y’all had me checking my average cmc in all my decks on moxfield looks like I’m good like the new look you guys look very professional

[@NitpickingNerds]

Thanks ST! Just curious what are your average cmcs? Lol

[@suntitan4419]

Nitpicking Nerds my lowest is 1.32 and my highest is 2.54

[@NitpickingNerds]

Dang do you play more competitive usually?

[@suntitan4419]

Nitpicking Nerds nope I just like to try to keep my curve low cause like you guys said then your deck works better and you get to play more magic the lowest deck is feather so it’s kind of bound to have a low curve

[@yamatohekatsue9143]

So I have a few quick question about calculating the average mana cost in my deck I'm playing commander. Some things to point out 1 running blue green 2 commander is Kruphix I have 3 X cost cards in the deck and don't know how to calculate their cost They are Biomass Mutation B/G B/G X Curse of Swine B B X Fractal Harness G 2 X Next I have a split instant sorcery Incubation G/B & Incongruity B G 1 Do I count each as separate or together as a 4? Also I have Leyline of Anticipation B B 2 That if it's in my opening hand I start the game with it on the battlefield Last I have 4 cards that can be played one side or the other 3 of those are lands the other can be a sorcery or creature Vastwood Fortification G / land Turntimber Symbiosis G G G 4/ land Bala Ged Recovery G 2/ land Wandering Archaic 5/ Explore the Vastlands 3 Without calculating my X cards and treating incubation Incongruity as a 4 and the either or cards as their most expensive cards my deck is a 3.3 but counting them at lowest cost and treating the lands as lands my deck seems to be a 3.1 My important question is would I average the numbers and have a 3.2 mana cost deck I calculated the Leyline as a 4 cost for both numbers because normally it won't be in my opening hand?

[@fienddube]

I find including some kinds of looting, or discarding for value, can have a pretty positive impact. I’ll often put Frantic Search in blue decks that have higher cmc stuff...or like in my mono green deck, Fauna Shaman discarding a fatty early to go find Priest of Titania, or in decks that go voltron Key to the City can be quite effective. Even Faithless Looting. It puts you down a card, but often, I find it’s worth it for the card selection...discarding expensive creatures to find land or ramp, then reanimating them later maybe. So many ways to achieve this.

[@drewguy7066]

Always nice to see your videos in my notifications. Thanks for the helpful content!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Our pleasure 😁 thanks for commenting!

[@toxicthorn769]

Took a look at my werewolves deck and it was already 3.5 average. Took out some 6 drops that were redundant and got it close to 3!

[@knutwalfisch477]

for the CMC to be calulated in your intention by tappedout, just type * CMC:0 * for example for force of will (just replace the zero with any number) or * CMC:7 * for cyclonic rift. But keep that in mind when it comes to cards that care about cmc like adnauseam or yuriko.

[@NitpickingNerds]

So a card would look like this? 1x Lightning Bolt * CMC:5 *

[@fidrewe99]

Another way to lower the mana curve is to derive bigger effects from synergies rather than from individual cards. A dip in the mana curve at a single CMC is not necessarily a bad thing. If it occurs higher up in the curve, say at 5, it's not problem if you have enough lower drops or mana sinks in your deck, because you can play combinations of lower drops instead of a higher drop. On the other hand, if you're playing a lot of ramp cards with CMC1, it's just reasonable to have slightly less 2-drops, because there are so many one drops and you should be able to play a 3-drop on turn 3. If your commander is a 3-drop and you want to play your commander early on, you don't need to run as many 3-drops, since you're always going to have your commander available.

[@faerie7dragon]

*Commander is a social format, where you can play high mana cost haymakers, not viable in constructed competitive formats!* Yes but actually No.

[@NitpickingNerds]

You totally can if you want to lol

[@iamnotglenn]

Amend to “casual commander is a social format etc.”

[@Ordicar13]

I agree with most of it, but the thing about Krosan grip is totally a "meta call". If in your meta tons of people play some "annoying" combos that can be activated "in response" then having split second is considerably better. True, a Nature's claim with good timing can have the same effect but can also be played around easier. Nice episode guys !

[@Thescreamingpizza8030]

I spent the last month or so just redoing all of my decks and lowering the curve. They just are so much better. My fav deck being varina, I was averaging around 2.90, had alot of zombie staples. With newer releases I cut a whole bunch of fluff including rooftop storm and grave titan, Got my cmc to about 2.75 and now its some control/draw deck that can go wide with zombies. I am having alot of trouble with obosh right now. Just due to the nature of his effect

[@eriknilsen3350]

My cnc is just below 3 and not sure if bringing it lower is useful to my decks goals.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Right! there is an optimal average cmc that you're striving for, if you lower it forever you'll kinda just end up at 1 lol

[@emansfield2017]

I’m a reanimation deck and mine is 3.36 because of reanimating those bigger creatures for free. But I’m sure mine can go down a little more

[@golgariguy]

Another replacement for Grave Titan if you want 3-4 bodies for 1 card played: Chittering Witch! Love that old lady :)

[@hopposai787]

old school sengir autocrat if you only care about bodies. you will ALWAYS get 4.

[@solomonsomers7033]

So I also tend to have pretty low cmc decks, but I also tend to play a lot of jank decks. When you want to win with a bad (but efficient) deck, one of the best ways to scale into the later game is to make sure you hit land drops and start playing more then one spell a turn. So even in decks with an average cmc of 2.5-3 I tend to play 34-36 lands

[@emulationemperor8924]

I don't mind drawing an 8 or 9 mana card in my opening hand as long as I have 4 solid mana sources. I run Jodah Archmage Eternal, and generally by turn 4 I have enough mana and artifacts to filter or tap for whatever I cast for WUBRG and put like Zaxara out. Such a good feeling.

[@kennethdixoniii4113]

The new merch is nice!! I like those hoodies!!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Thanks Kenneth! :D

[@orgazmo686971]

My Goreclaw is probably my biggest and it's only 5.35 CMC...Any suggestions what I could add to bring it up to 7.00?

[@ygaudreault]

Eldrazi's

[@NitpickingNerds]

Hmm let's see Ghalta, Primeval Protector, Primal Surge, and the best morph of all time Krosan Cloudscraper (scrapes clouds, doesn't have reach)

[@MysticLoser]

@@NitpickingNerds wouldn't impervious greatwurm be better than krosan?

[@diggerdog9205]

Vorinclex, khalni Hydra, ghalta for sure, sandwurm convergence, the great henge, tooth and nail, hornet queen 😊

[@orgazmo686971]

@@diggerdog9205 The irony here is that almost every suggestion made ISN'T in the deck, and could be added if my goal was to raise the curve. It does have The Great Henge, and I took out Sandwurm Convergence recently, but the others would be new.

[@thatguymatt2965]

You guy's are killing it! Love the videos, keep em up!

[@cococows]

this has to be the best edh podcast. big fan

[@NitpickingNerds]

Thanks so much that's a huge compliment!

[@clayvision]

How did the moxfield ad not come at the dig through time tangent lol

[@iamnotglenn]

Why my mono blue deck is fun. Low cost cards with extra draw power. Arcanis for a commander is dumb but I have 5 counterspells and 4 ways to get them back to keep him safe. Fatestitcher illusionist bracers for infinite everything and lab man win condition

[@johanneslindh3313]

Lowering your curve will make the deck so much more efficient. If i have six mana availible, with a lower curve i can cast maybe three or even four spells in that turn. If the curve is higher you might be stuck with a five drop and a six drop and have to choose wich single spell is best at the moment

[@Git-M247]

Looking professional with the hoodies boys. Nice work

[@NitpickingNerds]

Actually wasnt expecting so many comments about the hoodies 😂

[@EnemyToad]

“Grave Titan is a house” -Joe Cherries

[@thekwjiboo]

I like what you said about cards like Dig Through Time how they really don't cost what the printed card says. I have 1 7 drop, 2 8 drops and 2 9 drops in my best deck but the 7 is a mdfc, the 2 8s are treasure Cruise and Dig through time and one of the 9 drops is Blasphemous Act so the costs raise my average cmc but it's deceptive.

[@thekwjiboo]

Oh and the other 9 drop is Expropriate. But since it's a galazeth Prismari deck that makes piles of treasure, a 9 cmc sorcery is a breeze.

[@oliviersoable]

great tip for edh! Its the only way I can keep playing with friends using différents stratégies:)

[@NitpickingNerds]

Right, it helps you discipline your jank a little so you can always compete :D

[@JohnnyYeTaecanUktena]

Ok so here me out, when you say 3.8 to 3.5 on mana curve how exactly did you get that number? Like whats the formula to calculate it? there are plenty of things telling how to make ascending and descending piles based on CMC but not the actual formula used to give you the numbers like 3.8 or 3.5, like am i right in assuming you count the total of the CMC for the whole deck divided by the number of nonland cards? Example: CMC 0 (4), CMC 1 (16), CMC 2 (13), CMC 3 (21), CMC 4 (10), CMC 5 (5), CMC 6 (3) so CMC 188 divided by the 72 nonland cards being a CMC curve of 2.6 Would that be right or am i missing something here? Like i don't see anyone explaining the formula used as i think a explanation would be really helpful to many. Also even though it don't matter since you might be curious lets just say the lands are Simic Guildgate, Transguild Promenade, Command Tower, Unknown Shores, Mana Confluence, Thornwood Falls, City of Brass, Forrest (x10), Island (x11) also lets assume there is plenty of ramp and draw to justify only 28 lands in a 100 card deck well technically 99 cause of the command zone.

[@Battleguild]

no No NO! Increase those Mana Curves even more! We want those THICC CURVES!

[@kaba9926]

What about not playing at all cards with the same cmc as your commander ? For instance not playing at all 5cmc spells in your Gitrog deck ?

[@andreusemanuel4868]

I used to play grave titan in a lot of my decks. Now it's only in my 5c golos Fotd zombie tribal deck because I have cut army of the damned

[@comradelarry2558]

I have Titan in Obeka reanimator and that's it at this point. 17/20 of my decks run black and it's only really effective in one of them, and it's on the cut list if I'm completely honest. I run it because it's one of my favorite creatures of all time. I could easily replace it with another piece of interaction or ramp and the other threats would suffice.

[@josvaniwaarden718]

Great tips guys ! The hoodies are awesome :)

[@NitpickingNerds]

We think so too we feel equally warm and professional lol

[@z4t3k21]

OH BOY look at those sweet hoodies dang :)

[@NitpickingNerds]

We are 10% cooler now

[@abderianagelast7868]

While Nature's Claim is ridiculous and you should definitely run it in every deck that has green, I don't think you should take out a Krosan Grip for that effect. Yes, it's 3 Mana versus 1, but it's also a spell that can't be interacted with except for maybe a couple very niche circumstances. I'm willing to pay a bit extra if it means it can't be countered. But any other 3-drop removal spell in that family probably isn't going to cut it for me.

[@rickyrichards1294]

Sorry but ill keep my grave titian. Scarab god enjoys his presence. edit: Also you get more zombies everytime he attacks! not does damage, so i send that boy all over the table

[@danieliussupienis9703]

In general, choosing certain cards for a deck is like always trying to find a compromise. That's how it is basically.

[@LeonardoIV]

My weatherlight captain Rainbow deck's CMC is 6 and that's the dragon engine coming down turn 7. But I've found every low cost legendary i could find working on this historic style super friends deck and it runs smoothly. But any comments to it would be much apritiated because i want to run it faster and just out value my opponents with low cost bombs🤙

[@chrismcfallan8265]

Hey team, I am moving from a more cedh play style to a more high power, less turn 3 combo format. Running a Kenrith reanimator list. Serious question. Is there an optimal cmc in your opinion for a high power format? I am sitting at 2.20 but that actually seems so low in this format. Thoughts?

[@elipetrou9308]

That’s good for high power, only 6 months late. I have a korvold high power deck around that range

[@TheCartajay]

Do you recommend heartbeat of spring over mana reflection? Regal behemoth over nyxbloom ancient?

[@efbland1]

If you don't mind my asking, what is the range of CMCs for your guys' decks? I've been working on lowering mine and typically get around 2.8-3.0. But I would like to decrease it a bit more, as my decks don't always get going as consistently as I would like. I also mostly play paper though, so budget is a concern.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Can't speak for Joe, I will try and ask him next time I see him but for me a couple that I could look up really quick my most competitive deck Karador is around 2.2 - 2.3, my Emry deck from our video deck tech is 2.62, and the Oketra deck we did is 2.60. My decks are always cheaper than Joe's though since I just really enjoy playing with cheaper spells

[@hopposai787]

hopposai787 15 seconds ago my largest cmc with lands included, in descending order are animar 2.66 golos 2.49 vona 2.44 slimefoot 2.31 marchesa 2.25 anje 2.23 mizzix 2.22 yarok 2.01 atla 1.93 azami 1.86 morophon 1.78 chulane 1.63 feather 1.57 jhoira 1.47 i like to stay under 2 if i can help it, and most of the ones over two have mana reduction built in like animar and mizzix, golos which casts them himself. my slimefoot is a big mana deck to compensate for the higher cmc and to dump it into slimefoot himself. anjes cmc is thrown off by all the madness cards which aren't actually meant to be played just tossed for draws. marchesa and vona are both meant to be slower, vona is a wrath deck so the higher cmc doesn't matter as much because i'll just keep wiping the board throw out some superfriends and then land wipe. both are meant for longer lower power games.

[@efbland1]

@@hopposai787 Thanks for sharing, that's pretty impressive. Is it typical to count the lands in the average CMC value? I had not been counting lands...for example, let's say my deck has 37 lands, 63 non-lands, and the average cmc of all non-land cards is 2.85. Then the average cmc including lands would be 1.80 (that is, (2.85*63) / 100 = 1.80). I get my numbers from TappedOut.net, which I realize, as Joe and Beezy mention, isn't always completely accurate to how cards will be used (e.g. Delve). TappedOut seems to give average CMC not counting lands. Do other deck building sites give average CMC including lands? Or is that something you just calculate on your own?

[@hopposai787]

@@efbland1 i get mine from moxfield they give you both but they give land first so thats what i went with. also considering the number of lands in decks can change i think it gives it a bit more accuracy. like my chulane runs 38 lands and my anje and jhoira run 30.

[@hopposai787]

@@efbland1 www.moxfield.com/users/hopposai if you want to see them.

[@PawzBrownMTG]

I love the merch keep up the great videos

[@NitpickingNerds]

Will do pawz

[@kennethdixoniii4113]

I appreciate the broad appeal of this content.

[@NitpickingNerds]

We like that this can apply to all types of commander decks

[@BillaChillaa]

I have a question about one of my builds. I want to assemble Radha, heart of keld as my commander in kind of an lands matter voltron style commander. I’m going with multiple combat steps because I want to combine her with Moraug, fury of akoum. Therefore I’m playing the aggravated assault Combo with sword of feast and famine and nature’s will. My question is: I want to go with some other assault lines and I was wondering if I should run both of the Nehebs (They both go infinite with it, with a little bit of setup) or if I should run savage ventmaw. He is 6 mana but if he comes through, without being blocked or removed, he assembles the combo for sure. On the other hand the Nehebs are only 4/5 mana and need more setup, but are easier to tutor in my deck as well... besides that ventmaw doesn’t do much else for my deck. I was even thinking about 4 mana dominaria Radha as well, she goes infinite, but only with a wide board and while I’m more voltronish I have only few synergy (scute swarm) for that. Any suggestions or maybe an other route to go for me there ? (I have not playtested any option yet but was just wondering what you think about that). Thanks for the great video 👍

[@jeffgangaware5070]

I don't think you should compare k grip to natures claim that extra 2 mana says they can't interact while you interact with them. Both are good in their own right but 9/10 times I want to kill something without counterspells/any activated ability crapping all over it. Good advise tho guys on the lowing your curve by starting at the top end. Keep up the good work.

[@bigpuma2149]

I have a question about deck building so decree of silence and solemanty

[@NitpickingNerds]

What's your question?

[@bigpuma2149]

Nitpicking Nerds would it be a good combo or no because of decree beings so expensive I want to have it In my alea deck who is secretly sen triplets

[@pattap9033]

Where do i put X-Spells in my mana curve?

[@nonebusiness9179]

For mana to bodies ratio sprouting thrynax and mytotic slime are also a better value than grave titan.

[@zackaryjordan5081]

Would having more ramp help a higher curve cuz i run dragons and i dedicated 20% of it to just ramp and most of that 20% is 2 cmc or less or would i should i try dropping some of the creatures

[@agustinprosello4687]

Would it be possible to make a video with tips on how to improve an aggro deck?

[@NitpickingNerds]

We have fiddled with the idea of doing "aggro in commander" since it's the toughest deck to pull off, I will write it down :)

[@agustinprosello4687]

Nitpicking Nerds Yeah, as much as I love aggro it is really hard to win with it, so I always wonder what improvements I can make, what commander is better, what average CMC should I be looking at. And I think tackling those issues could make for an interesting video.

[@jakeapplegate6642]

AGUSTIN PROSELLO Edgar markov is probably the best aggro commander I can think of. I have an ezuri renegade leader elf tribal that can’t really win outside of swinging with juiced up elves that does really well. Krenko mob boss goblins is always fun although that deck is almost as much of a combo deck than it is a tribal aggro deck (depending on how you build it). A friend of mine has a zada hedron grinder deck that is scary explosive.

[@agustinprosello4687]

Jake applegate I have a vampire tribal deck, but without Edgar since I don’t like him. My best aggro deck is Saskia, the unyielding. However it is true that there are other great commanders, I have a Xenagos inside my Nikya deck that would make for a better commander.

[@wakefieldwade4019]

i was thinking Grave Titan in The Scarab god deck. If you make a Scarab God deck, I guarantee you will think about adding Grave Titan. Is that a good choice?

[@diggerdog9205]

It's not terrible. Run ashnods altar and nim deathmantle for many zambies

[@exsimon]

I really needed this episode! Although, a question guy: I've built a Purphoros, bronze blooded deck. So I care about big stuff to cheat into play. As a result of that, my curve is way to high. I'm afraid though that by lowering it I'm gonna compromise the goal of the deck. What to do?

[@NitpickingNerds]

exsimon for some decks cmc can be a misleading stat such as in this case

[@hoppeltrottel7484]

Exactly. Other examples would be Mayael, Kalemne, Goreclaw, The Mimeoplasm or Feldon EDH decks, since they want to cast big creatures (or don't want to actually cast them at all).

[@exsimon]

@@hoppeltrottel7484 altough I still have the doubt. How many big creatures should I run, in order to have a nice balance between big mana payoffs and stuff to play early game?

[@hoppeltrottel7484]

@@exsimon That's hard to tell. Based on my experience with my Mayael Stompy/Landfall deck, around 30 fatties are a good amount to aim for. But you'll want to have cheap, efficient mana acceleration like Sol Ring, Mind Stone, Worn Powerstone and Thran Dynamo to make the deck run smoothly. Cheap card selection spells like Crystal Ball, Jalum Tome or Faithless Looting are also a good inclusion. Remember, you want your ramp reliably and early in the game, but later it's a dead draw. So being able to sacrifice or discard it for value is important.

[@forceofwill8012]

@@hoppeltrottel7484 30 fatties? That is way to much. Even in a Golos deck. Because you also need enough slots for ramp, interaction and other medium cost creatures.

[@crovax1375]

While it's generally fine to have a lower curve. I think it's better to avoid overcrowding particular slots and have a good distribution of spells

[@NitpickingNerds]

Totally, if you overcrowd certain slots your curve will look like poop

[@jakeapplegate6642]

My korvold average cmc is 1.82 my jhoira is probably lower. My golos is probably the highest (I’m afraid to look) followed by gishath.

[@NitpickingNerds]

Dang 1.82 is pretty good

[@jakeapplegate6642]

Nitpicking Nerds here’s the list. tappedout.net/mtg-decks/korvold-persist-very-fast/

[@robinwaij5315]

Very cool list, but I'd definitely dump some creatures for some good oll removal. It's great to be the agressor, but if you lagg behind and have no answers to the table then you're just keep rolling further behind.

[@jakeapplegate6642]

Robin Waij creatures are permanents I can sac for value. It is a combo deck that is trying to win as fast as possible. I don’t need answers when I have wincon. Winning is the answer. What creatures would you pull?

[@Darthnova-rd9nk]

Krosan Grip should never be cut because of splitsecond that ability can decide if a combo player wins or bricks because of they can't respond

[@karlwebb4799]

I am normally pretty good at lowering my curve when I want to. For some reason im struggling to find low cost Azorious cards I like. Got any 2/3 drop favs?

[@poofypeanut0221]

Are you talking about specifically good cards that have both blue and white in the mana cost? Because there are plenty of 2-3 drops in each mono color that could fit in the deck obviously. Also, it kinda depends what KIND of deck you are building? Is it WU birds? WU control? WU Glenn tribal? (too soon) lol. I would start with these questions about your deck.

[@breakingnews33]

My raff capashen deck has this issue, lol...I can cheat out artifacts for free but when I get massive things in my hand (giggity) I’m doomed lol. Def want to try and make it more playable or deconstruct to give Brago a try

[@karlwebb4799]

@@poofypeanut0221 My deck is a Daxos of Meletis deck focusing on Enchantments and Auras. I am looking more good 2 cost creatures or enchantments for this theme, my 5 mana slot is clogged.

[@karlwebb4799]

@@breakingnews33 I like the concept of Raff Capashan, there are some really cool historic cards that benefit a lot having flash such as Sagas. My deck is Daxos of Meletis, with an enchantment theme. It is voltron style using auras.

[@tommieboi707]

I have an ur dragon tribal deck......I don't see any possible way to lower my average curve.

[@hopposai787]

1 win condition is too fragile in my opinion. i prefer 2-3 win cons with backup cards for at least 1-2 of them. meaning if i need a sac outlet i will run 5 or more, if i need a lab man, i'll also run thassa's oracle and jace.

[@kjeldsen81]

Grave Titan is a beast

[@monomanamaniac]

My best deck has a average cmc of 2.25. It has 1 6 cost, 1 5 cost, 4 4 cost, and the rest is 3 or less. I run 33 lands and it's great

[@NitpickingNerds]

Sweet, what deck is it?

[@monomanamaniac]

@@NitpickingNerds it's a Balan, wandering knight deck. It's not cedh by any stretch, but it holds its own archidekt.com/decks/725610#Balan,_voltron_specially

[@monomanamaniac]

I did miscount a bit, it has 5 4 cost and 2 5 cost lol

[@morgoth2425]

i dont like the grave titan example where you say enthusiast can replace it. yes it's three bodies for 6 mana but it keeps creating two bodies with every attack, that's a waaaay better card. usually if i have to force my opponents to remove it i win because that's one less card they have to deal with my commander or my actual strategy.

[@Deuk]

Unfortunately no alternative to grave Titan for creation of 3 black bodies.

[@Turn2Ugin]

Random question, how old are you guys?

[@NitpickingNerds]

I'm 23 and Joe is 29 (I think)

[@Turn2Ugin]

@@NitpickingNerds nice!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Turn 2 Ugin how old are you?

[@j13productions42]

hmm Does one neet to a patreon to get access to the discord?

[@danielzitnik4247]

Replace Craterhoof Behemoth with Memnite.

[@NitpickingNerds]

This is the best advice I have ever heard

[@legacy8144]

Nice Sweaters guys ! :D (Nice video too :p)

[@NitpickingNerds]

We had a lot of fun making this one

[@patrickbartholomay6513]

Premium video boys!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Patrick Bartholomay don’t compliment us! Lol 😂 also thank you

[@demi5275]

My mana curve might need to be raised not lowered Lands= 33 1 mana= 16 2 mana= 23 3 mana= 15 4 mana= 10 5 mana= 1 + commander 6 mana= 1

[@revelmonger]

Have y'all thought of making a discord?

[@NitpickingNerds]

We actually have one for our Patrons and stream supporters :)

[@revelmonger]

@@NitpickingNerds I didn't know y'all had streams? Do y'all stream through twitch?

[@jonathanharris9717]

I may have missed it, but you guys should definitely advertise the discord as part of your patreon perks when you do intros.

[@codywilson4938]

You guys seem confused at wether this is a budget cut video or a Mana cut video

[@shinobihouzin]

But I want the highest of cmc cards to flip for yuriko !! Oh what shall i doooo

[@NitpickingNerds]

For starters you get Agadeem’s Awakening and Sea Gate Restoration, which 100% count as lands for mana curve 😎

[@shinobihouzin]

You are 100% right ! Those are some wonderful new additions to the deck !!

[@Graciegirl1111]

Hey guys, just want to say thanks for all the content. You guys have become my go-to deck tech channel. I have build several variations of your decks in paper: Grand Abolisher: Persistent Petitioners K'rrik Purphoros, bronze blooded Grismold I really like your game play style. Lowering of my curve is exactly what I have taken away. If your looking for deck tune ups I would love your feedback on any of these decks: Niv-Mizzet, Parun - Wheely Good Time archidekt.com/decks/61950#Niv-Mizzet_-_Wheely_Good_Time Pramikon - Benevolent Control archidekt.com/decks/254190#Benevolent_Control Thanks Again!

[@Npocommander]

My decks are 3.5 to 4.5, except for golos, grixis, and dragons

[@Npocommander]

Grixis is mil with dig through time, breaking//entering, fleet swallower, traumatised, and the new kicker mill

[@NitpickingNerds]

The best method we can find for quick average cmc calculating is tappedout, but it doesn't recognize all the "actual" costs of cards. There needs to be a feature for you to change a cards cmc in the system

[@Npocommander]

@@NitpickingNerds I knew golos was high cause it's just ramp and big spells to wheel, and dragons are big dragons, that will cost 1 less cause of ur dragon, with ramp, and a quick silver amulet, may move Jhoira, to suspend cheat dragons out

[@BattleAxeRX]

@@NitpickingNerds manipulating cards in TO has been around a long time. Just put *cmc:3* at the end. Maybe *cost:1wb* is another way to refine. The asterisks turn the font bold here, but yea.

[@fitness_arena_mtl7513]

I'm confused... You guys recommend tutors, but most of the reddit community absolutely hates on tutors...

[@Eeveeking133]

NO NOT NICOL BOLAS 8:14

[@True_Ronin]

Wanna really lower your curve? Open your wallet.

[@NitpickingNerds]

You can definitely still lower your curve on a budget :D

[@True_Ronin]

Nitpicking Nerds true, but you can reeeeaaaallly lower it with $. It’s all good. Good cards just cost more. Just look at tutors for example.

[@weaselhatgaming1010]

Run mono red.

[@yungtiger419]

I need a shirt!! How much

[@joshuablack3163]

The link is in the description. I ordered a shirt and a hoodie and the process was super easy.

[@NitpickingNerds]

😍😍😍

[@kinghext9357]

I play 28

[@notjoey7371]

122nd!

[@workyoutube7798]

Great video, doesn't really start til around the 9 minute mark. If i can advise anything to you guys, you unnecessarily disclaimer A LOT (not just disclaimer guy: he's da best). Let people leave their stupid comments - that just drives up your algorithm placement, right?

[@Station9.75]

I wonder how much outrage there'll be over the video this time...

[@NitpickingNerds]

If you look closely we now have zero subscribers and are demonetized

[@Station9.75]

Good! You had it coming!

[@NitpickingNerds]

Dangit 😭

[@Riskymittenz]

Video is very helpful once you get done talking through the beginning. Get to the point faster

[@rthayes00]

Beezy is 🥰😍

[@NitpickingNerds]

FINALLY someone calls me out for being sexy

[@sammyf1567]

garbage. also, you should thank me because I just made you 5 dollars on my click

[@NitpickingNerds]

Ha, nice try, but we just made five dollar off your- oh wait

[@sammyf1567]

haha ive out smarted you