How To Make A DIY Cyclocross Tubeless Setup - Ghetto Tubeless Tyres

[@splashstrike]

Bloody hell can't believe john produced all that sealant. Must have been really hard.

[@bigballerbrands5758]

simon richardson making use of old equipment like a BOSS. What a straight up G

[@abedfo88]

Simon seems to get a lot of stick for this DIY/home mechanic videos, personally i really like them, always good to pick up tips and techniques from pro's!

[@gilesg7697]

Been riding ghetto tubeless on my mtb for quite some time with great success & this is the same process as I've done myself but obviously on a road wheel rather than mtb. You must get the tyre on tight so plenty of tape & do buy a valve with a removable core. When you have the tyre & sealant in place use soapy water as it helps to seat the tyre & in order to get air in quickly simply remove the core!! The track pump should then get a lot of air into the tyre. Remove the pump hose, cover valve with a finger before inserting the core. Rotate the wheel so the sealant goes to where any leaks are. It can be time consuming & you need to be patient but when it comes to punctures this system really works a treat.

[@cirotalisman12]

I been riding Cx tubeless for a few years now , and try about any tire wheel combo there is , my only advise is , always make sure your front wheel is extra good , why ,because if that baby burps any air , you may not like the result . Vitoria TNT is by far the best option that I have come across . Keep up the good work GCN

[@SuperV5]

I always check to see if the tire/rim combination will inflate before I add any sealant, this way less mess is created. Also, if you are having difficulties getting the tire to inflate, you can always pop a tube in and inflate the tire. Once the ire is inflated you can then take off one side of the tire and remove the tube. This way one side of the tire is already seated in the rim and you will have less air leaking out all over the place.

[@genie2116]

Interesting concept. I am happy to see GCN posting videos reusing stuff and not just suggesting people go out and invest in a particular product. Tubeless systems can be quite expensive (I have been asking around) and this is a good cheap alternative, if it works with what you have. Thanks!

[@BikemanforU]

The fun really starts at 4:42..... What a #@$%ing mess... I gotta try it!!!!

[@jimfrozen521]

I can see this next summer on the live show .......customer comes in Bikeman can you put air in my tire tire blows off sealant everywhere .

[@Le_Guigster]

BikemanforU I 'd love to see your take on this for Marco's bike! :)

[@BikemanforU]

Guillaume Bourdel stay tuned

[@Le_Guigster]

BikemanforU looking forward to it Bikeman! :D

[@DavyRayVideo]

I have not done this with road wheels, but have had good success with DIY sealant (just check the superb forum on homemade sealant). The only technique difference I would recommend is to orient the wheel horizontally and shake it vigorously. Flip to get the opposite side down, and repeat. It can be quite messy, but if you shake it enough, and keep adding sealant, it should work eventually. Orient horizontally. Shake vigorously. Pump fast. Repeat. The guys making their own sealant have had great results. I have some wheels that are tubeless with the same sealant in them for over two years. They are still holding air and no punctures that I have noticed.

[@HulluJanne]

I've just used a classic rim tape, a size smaller inner tube cut on the top and spreaded out of the rim. Insert tire and sealant, pump it up and cut the excess inner tube with razor blade. It helps if you clean the inner tube and the edge of the tire with IPA, for example to get "bare" rubber surface and best possible seal. Of course this way won't save as much weight but the seal between two rubber surfaces should be very good and it may not be so prone to "burping" from the side. I think you could run it without the rim tape and use a few layers of electric tape or some other type of tape to save weight.

[@echtogammut]

I use Velocity rim plugs, then apply a layer of electrical tape on top of that. You do want to stretch the electrical tap as that will ensure an airtight seal, electrical tape is designed to be elastic. I use this method whether I am running tubeless or tubes as it is lighter than rim tape, but offers me the ability to switch back and forth.

[@abedfo88]

I just did this with some gorilla tape and stans sealant on bog standard Mavic XM319 (i think) rims. Worked like a charm with 42mm WTB resolutes on the gravel bike, both wheels went up with the track pump first time!

[@richardstewart5499]

Patience is a virtue. Well played!

[@kwacker45]

If nothing else it's a great workout. I'm definitely tempted as my last marathon ride resulted in four punctures

[@KieranHook]

5:20 Booyah! made my day

[@ScottYarosh]

Hope you like rolling tires off the rims. I've never had any non tubeless tire not burp on any rim other than a Notubes Iron cross. Ya ghetto tubeless works a little bit, but you'll be pissed when you roll or burp a tire in a race. For everyday gravel riding, ghetto tubeless works ok.

[@tylermasi289]

I always perform whenever I find myself pumping vigorously

[@bike531]

One suggestion for getting started. Use a band clamp to keep the tire in place before you start pumping.

[@ManuAgnihotri]

This is the first and only GCN video title that is even mildly provocative.

[@kajetanwysoczynski2116]

I have tubeless!

[@ManuAgnihotri]

But you mountain bike. I road bike, so the tubeless debate is different

[@SillyCyclist29]

I find it is easier putting the tape on while the wheel is in a truing stand. :) Also, once you get the right amount of tape, it would be best to inflate the tire with a tube to help compress the tape fully.

[@area4race]

There is a better Method than electrical tape! Use ja smaler Innertube, like a 26er. applly it on the rim. cut it open an put it above the rim sidewall. apply the tire + sealant. Works much better! Last step cut the showing rest of the innertube.

[@reepsaag]

So with this method for my 26er MTB I'll need 24er inner tube to work properly?

[@northshore_driftworks629]

reepsaag I would make sense because the smaller diameter of the tube makes it strech, wicg is what makes this trick work

[@janwillem22]

reepsaag 20inch is even tighter

[@Raven.flight]

That's what I was going to say. I also use a CO2 cannister to blast the tyre up and seal it quickly. Then spin the wheel around with the sealant inside and it eventually seals closed.

[@psalm2forliberty577]

Split tube Ghetto Tubeless is the term for this method. Just search that term here on YT plenty of vids. Works amazing on Fat Bike 26x4 just use a 24x3 fat tube (next size down) and once you follow the method your tires will hold perfectly. Im considering trying this on my narrower CX / Gravel wheels.

[@MorganBrown]

The electrical tape trick worked like a charm. I put on one layer of Stan's tape initially and it failed. But I think the rubber part of the tubeless valve was in the way. As Simon notes, I loosened the valve prior to seating the tire, then tightened it up once the tire was mounted (I was using a Stan's injector, making life somewhat easier). I am curious if the electrical tape actually made the difference, or if it was loosening the valve?

[@tankumaat]

Fantastic :) love it, I try it out soon, also :P could u make some 'tape tuning' video for more aero bicycle. Love that gheto stuff, makes things more fun.

[@PeterTran1997]

I like this "ghetto" version of gcn, I am super cheap lol, I like it more than regular gcn

[@MrSnooker46]

Nice video, ....but because we're getting into winter be much better if you had more videos to help us while were out. It would be also great if you could upload lots more videos a day! Keep it up!

[@Jstroman221]

Like John Trye Seal. Where can I pick up a bottle? Video Advice- Avoid and/or breaking Plateaus in fitness levels. I have come to realize that I have hit a major plateau in my Solo training.

[@TrondHelgeRolland]

There should be a small "innuendo" counter on these videos.

[@KarlRoche]

I was thinking there should be a large one. You could insert it near the bottom, then watch it rise throughout the video.

[@numbaoneg101]

This one was insane, so many

[@letsgocamping88]

Tried it on my MTB, have found that a real UST tyre makes for a better ride, less squirm and less chance of a burp.

[@wk9531]

I know the title says Cyclocross Tubeless but will with work just as well for Road tubeless?

[@MrVanioko]

Simon, you forgot about rim drain holes, as some of the deep section rims have them.

[@ketjuariittaa]

Normal ksyrium is proplematic and leaks from Point of rim where its joined.

[@KarlRoche]

If you look up "double entendre" you find this video..

[@GeekonaBike]

I find I get way fewer gummed up, leaky valve core issues if I angle the valve down at apx 45 degs when adding/removing air on sealant filled tires.

[@D.Eldon_]

Great video -- I like the outside-the-box thinking. But it seems like you may be overlooking the obvious when it comes time to inflate the tire. Why not use a CO2 inflator? Or better yet, a hybrid hand pump that also includes a CO2 inflator. Many of them allow you to control the inflation rate so you don't overdo it. This will give you the quick burst of air you need to achieve the seal more easily without the need for an air compressor. Using a standard hand pump seems like the hardest possible way to do it -- but it was fun to watch. :-)

[@MrStouthearted]

I have Reynolds 4.6 Aero i think 2014 Model, I have asked and they are not tubeless ready? can be they converted to tubeless?

[@imhs81]

No need to buy high pressure tape! Use electric tape to tightly seal around the existing rim tape, including inner walls 2, 3 times, it works for me very good!

[@DavyRayVideo]

Just search on open source sealant. My favorite formula is by a chemical engineer known as Eurotrash666. Riders who encounter goats head thorns routinely have to have something to seal the multiple punctures.

[@johnbouttell5827]

I just watched a video called: Bontrager Aeolus D3 TLR wheels: How to set up Bontrager TLR. Do any of the pro peleton teams use this setup?

[@geoffheimy1933]

If anything, I've been discouraged from trying this

[@tr1ckster]

John Whittington is bringing out tyre spaff to go with Bristol Butt'R?

[@bradcomis1066]

As someone who has not (yet) raced cyclocross I'm curious about why you would want to do this? Less chance of pinch flats I'm guessing?

[@gcn]

Exactly - when you lower your tyre pressure you increase the risk of pinch flats, especially when off road.

[@WildOutdoorLiving]

+Global Cycling Network And punctures for that matter.

[@rachelguilford]

you can get duct tape cut to narrow widths by tape companies, much better than electrical tape as its thicker and stickier

[@storxusmc]

I just bought an 2010 Catrike Expedition with tired tires and and tubes with more than one patch... I have been running tubeless on my dirtbike using silicone based rescue tape from the local hardware store for multiple years without issues.. i have been thinking of replacing the tires with a more mountainbike based tire since there are a lot of hard gravel trails to ride on near me, do you think tubeless is worth it and could you recommend a good trail type tire?

[@benstanden8784]

Should cotton gumwalls on cx tyres be sealed against the elements somehow?

[@tomee7]

Anyone tried this with a continental cyclocross speed tyre and giant p-cxr rim?

[@brunokabbaz5779]

What about tubeless rims with clincher tyres? Does it make any sense ?

[@MrDuddycal]

I was wondering if you guys could do a DIY trainer or rollers.

[@gcn]

Crikey, that could be a bit of a challenge! We can have a think about it though.

[@Toastybear1]

+MrDuddycal love the way thats been done now ;)

[@nickgrimberg7165]

any added tips for doing this to my low end trek road bike?

[@TheJavonplayer]

Do any one know if I can do this with a commuter tire at 85 psi?

[@thomasstone1363]

javon player in theory yes, but in practice I'd just stick to an inner tube for commuting.

[@wotbot7013]

Can i use schwalbe x one performance tires for this project? I know there is x one tubeless but I can't buy them hehe...so...can i use x one non tubeless tires?

[@t0112795g]

Hi guys , recently my bike saddle has been vibrating a lot on an even surface and my chain recently sounds really weird when I ride my bike . Somebody please help !

[@johnbouttell5827]

Fascinating and very helpful. Now I have a request. Due to back pain, I can't use drop handlebars. How about a video of alternative handlebar bikes, such as the touring butterfly bars?

[@dotanator99]

Can I use my winter road bike and put cx wheels and cantilevers on?

[@gcn]

David Grassick your winter frame won't take cantilevers if it currently has road brakes on it, the clearances likely won't be wide enough for CX tyres either I'm afraid.

[@abcfreehkhk359]

It is easier to install a tube and inject sealants into the tube. It works equally

[@guy1193]

that was a parade of double entendres

[@crimsun7186]

@Global Cycling Network What about the @BikemanforU method of using a bike tube smaller than the diameter of the wheel, cutting it open and stretching it accross the rim?

[@nwimpney]

+Crimson Sunrise I wouldn't do that on a road or cross tire. you need a lot more pressure, and having the extra rubber under the bead is likely to let it blow off the rim. that method does work really well with fat mountain tires, though, which you can run at really low pressures.

[@crimsun7186]

nwimpney Well, he demonstrated the method on a 90 psi tire when he did the video so, could work for higher pressure ones.

[@peterxyz3541]

HAHAHA!!! I love it! Thanks for the useful tip, I need to try this!!! I'll use a thick latex. Have you lot never thought about doing more crazy antics like Top Gear? I would totally sub this channel if you did. (This is the only channel I watch often BUT don't sub...I don't want my feed to be full of "bicycle channels" because I'm not a "serious" cyclist. Love your channel!

[@humstrumbangtwang]

I’m surprised you didn’t use WD-40!

[@nickhumphrey4833]

Simon did you just say you've just added some spaff?

[@numbaoneg101]

It's honestly slang in the U.S., didn't know Brits used it though, wonder how many ppl will be offended.

[@bobitferrer3513]

Can i do this on a wired tires?

[@robindaniels8920]

Can you fit cyclocross tyres on a road bike? And is it possible with an inner tube, instead of tubeless?

[@sgtthrottle9115]

It depends on how much room the forks have and what size tire you want to run...My Specialized Diverge (Road bike) forks were designed to accommodate up to a 35 series tire which would work.

[@J4K_Shred]

Robin Daniels Its like taking high heals for hicking, you can do it just the results can be bad

[@shanewilkins9303]

Have you ridden on some rough trails with the ghetto tubeless, im wondering if the seal is going to be strong enough to prevent flatting from rim busting bumps

[@gcn]

Yeah as rough as you'd want to go anyway. Simon raced them at the 3 Peaks Cyclocross race in the UK last year, which is extreme at best, and he got through fine.

[@shanewilkins9303]

Global Cycling Network Nice! Gonna try it for my race this weekend

[@gcn]

Shane Wilkins Make sure you test it first. The golden rule is never test things out in a race!

[@Frostbiker]

What a mess! An absolute bodge. I can't wait to try the same at home with Aliexpress stems and Scotch 8896 strapping tape. It may even work.

[@peterjv8748]

Prob just gonna go with a tube.

[@davidkosela3713]

Can I make my road bike into a cyclocross bike? Just wheels need to be changed right?

[@desktrom]

Road bikes are 700x23/28c, cyclocross are 700x30/38c it wouldn't fit back in the frame

[@davidkosela3713]

LaintSauber so would 28c studded be bad?

[@davidkosela3713]

oh

[@mnovo]

It's not full on ghetto if you don't make your own sealant. Well done...

[@p504504]

0:52 lol

[@keithbick5916]

What's the point just use a inner tube ....

[@WildOutdoorLiving]

+keith bick When tubeless is set up well it pretty much eliminates flats. It is also much more supple and you can run lower pressures but for me the flat protection is the big selling point.

[@Toastybear1]

one has to wonder why when si went out and bought wheels and tyres to convert to tubeless, why he didn't just buy tubeless!

[@gcn]

+marcus allison They are old wheels and tyres for a start, but the tubeless ball is still gathering momentum for 'cross so there isn't much tyre choice still.

[@Toastybear1]

Global Cycling Network my point was, at the end of the video, si says he went out and bought new wheels and tyres with the intention of converting them and it didn't work! and he was really annoyed, well if that was the intention, i would have just bought tubeless to start with :)

[@gcn]

+marcus allison AH, I see. My new wheels were tubeless and it didn't work! I'm still waiting for a decent set of tyres, almost tempted by a set now.

[@Toastybear1]

Global Cycling Network i see! in that case, why bother using normal tyres?! although, i guess so you don't have to buy tubeless- still, if your going to shell out on the wheels?? all the same, going to have to give this a go now!

[@zimmermanlandscape9287]

+Global Cycling Network As an even more ghetto setup, is there any reason why I need a tubeless specific valve or can I just cut the valve out of an old tube and use it?

[@karlsantos]

And this, my friends, is why I still use tubes.

[@KenFingerlove]

That sealant looks like it's just liquid latex. About £5 a litre.

[@gcn]

KenFingerlove it needs a little bit more than just liquid latex. Most solutions have some solid particles that help to plug holes.

[@nope7336]

is john's dad called stan?

[@speno100]

Really? What's the point? You've added enough sealant and electrical tape, you might as well have an inner tube!

[@DeviousWashere2]

You an run lower pressures for cyclo cross without risking a pinch flat

[@TurkiyeCumhurbaskani]

Yo whazz homie!! U was gonna sae somethink?

[@letsgocamping88]

P.S. First!

[@MarkMathew2050]

I don't want to die of cancer, that stuff looks like death.

[@cathoderay7202]

A ghetto is a part of a city in which members of a minority group live, especially because of social, legal, or economic pressure. I bet the people that live there will all be converting their Ksyriums as soon as they see this video... Great videos GCN but this title is not PC.

[@Sin578]

Maybe Mac?

[@logidet]

There was a survey on the issue of "ghetto tubeless" recently on people living in the ghetto. The surveyors were amazed by the respondents, actual ghettonians, saying that they do not in fact give a shit.

[@Megadeth6633]

Oh fuck you.

[@GeekonaBike]

That's why I only do Barrio Tubeless 😉

[@wazzup105]

Thank you for making a mess, because that would happen when I would do it. I hate perfect demos.

[@luigipod]

why on earth.... why ...?!

[@HelloHello-hk4sx]

Didn't work.

[@connieback7577]

What a mess! Tell me again why I want tubeless tires.

[@Pienimusta]

Or..or...just buy TLR tyres+rims

[@MagliaNera]

4:44 what a waste of time and energy...　失笑

[@DesignedinAustralia0]

No , No ... No.. NO! WARNING : Those Electrical tapes are NOT ok! I used them for couple of times before faced with tons of problems : No 1 : They MELT. No 2 : They SHIFT(Yes,they do shift) No 3 : They leave sticky residue and it is a MESS to clean up from rims! (Use Iso. Alcohol to clean it up) No 4 : They get punctured by rim holes in time with pressure(Even if you apply 10 layers!,trust me!) Use inner tubes n cut em, they are way x way better than tapes! I think BikeRadar made one years ago... This method is very DANGEROUS.