How to make a Low Cost Cymbal Trigger

[@Drumsholic]

Great work to setting the crosstalk , avoid double triggering and give a so natural feel !!!

[@RaymondGohDrums]

NICE! Question... can you also choke the cymbals?

[@undermixx]

yes, if you put a membrane switch under the cymbal, i wil do it in the future when i find a provider who deliver to my country

[@yanxi02]

Hi, if i want to do 3 zone for every cymbals including hihat, is that means i need to have 3 piezzo? The guitar pickup can use for e-cymbals convert?

[@paulmundy6608]

What's the purpose of the rubber foam being sandwich'd between the piezo surface and the cymbal?

[@undermixx]

Its for dampening the vibration of the cymbal for avoiding multiples triggering

[@alfredquert4822]

Thanks for the nice information. Where can I find these triggers, for example on Amazon? Thank you very much.

[@undermixx]

AliExpress or Amazon www.amazon.com/-/es/Randon-Pastilla-guitarra-ac%C3%BAstica-mandolina/dp/B07SXBRZKF/ref=mp_s_a_1_11?crid=2HVWZ26SH7LEP&keywords=guitar+pickup+piezo&qid=1638317622&qsid=136-6554928-0706343&sprefix=guitar+pickup+piezo%2Caps%2C239&sr=8-11&sres=B00LTL0KLI%2CB07KZKLYGB%2CB01DK7SZOW%2CB06ZYH4RRN%2CB01M1GG05L%2CB01N77TIYZ%2CB083QFVYXS%2CB00QWF8QCQ%2CB07Z4Q6DGZ%2CB07795XHLH%2CB07SXBRZKF%2CB08D6CGVFY%2CB077YJ3H6R%2CB07HVFTGTH

[@ikigai47]

Hello. I noticed 2 triggers, one for the bell, but you didn't show where you ran the wires. So how does that work with two trs cables coming off one cymbal? Do you run them both with a splitter into the cymbal input on your module? Or do you run each wires into a separate module cymbal input? (hope not, I don't have a ton of free inputs) Thanks

[@undermixx]

Hello, they run into a Stereo 6.3mm female jack (TRS) to a double male 3.5mm jack splitter i made, normal splitters don´t work because they split the same signal to both output, what you need is to split is TS to one jack and ST to the other jack, and also for beter signal separation, you need to put a 10K resistor between T and R, hope this clarifiy something

[@ikigai47]

@@undermixx - Thanks brother. I read the resistor is only necessary for Roland modules. I did end up buying some Y cables from drum tec (amazingly I couldn't find a trs to ts splitter on Amazon), so expensive at like 20 bucks a pop. Works great with my Alesis Strike module

[@rvevau]

Good job! But how did you make it double zone? u did something in drum module?

[@undermixx]

My new crash version ony use one stereo cable, but as it is pezo-piezo you must use a Tom input instead of the Ride input in your module

[@Paul_on_Guitar]

Yeah, how? Are you using 2 separate jacks/inputs for one cymbal (bell and bow as 2 inputs?)

[@undermixx]

You have to cut the jacks and rewire because you need to put some resistors for channel separation, im experimenting with different resistors value, search for the wirings, in my case i use alesis cymbal trigger wiring, Roland use different wiring lh5.ggpht.com/_IwFX2VoEcr4/SrVEgvflM0I/AAAAAAAABF0/inZLcF6n6Oc/yammi2.JPG

[@mjrosadrums]

@@undermixx Nice, what values did u tested with alesis modules? i have ddrum and roland modules and both works different.. tks

[@undermixx]

@@mjrosadrums no, i have not tested with Alesis module, i have only one module, but should work because it use the same configurarion as Alesis, Roland use diferent configuration for dual/triple zone cymbal so no clue if it will work, but nothing to loose if you try.

[@BlueCannabjs]

what is the value of the resistors?

[@jesuss7365]

Is it possible with the hi hat?

[@undermixx]

Yes it works with the Hi Hat, but as you hit more offen in the hi hat, the cables inside the piezo case tend to break, so i use a better case for the piezo

[@TVzillacanale91]

Can this kind of pickup trigger be used for snare, toms and kick as well?

[@undermixx]

I would not recomend it, there are other type of triggers for snare toms and kick, search youtube, theres a lot of videos about

[@bongo042]

Very cool, I would like to use this process with a crash cymbal, is there a way to muffle/choke it?

[@undermixx]

It work Ok with Crash Cymbals, you need to put a rubber band around the edge, and a rubber foam between trigger and sensor

[@undermixx]

Hi Hat is a lot more complex, i have converted mine succesfully so Im preparing a video...stay tuned

[@bongo042]

undermix, neither of your replies address a way to choke the cymbal sound.

[@undermixx]

@@bongo042 Muffle is different from Choke...if you need to choke it then you need to put a trigger membrane on the edge...I dont use choke on ride but on crash yes

[@bongo042]

My bad, they are different. If you have successfully set up choking on a crash cymbal, I would enjoy and appreciate you sharing and making a video on it or sharing details. I've watched several videos on it and they all but one seem to be clunky and not comfortable. I understand the membrane concept but not the electronics part of it. I use a Roland and with a balanced cable I can get 2 sounds out of a roland pad, as you surely know. Using a low volume cymbal with an attached trigger works pretty good for making one cymbal sound but then eliminates my ability to choke the cymbal and eliminates one additional sound that could be assigned to the edge of an e-pad and thats such a waste. Thanks in advance for your expertise.

[@danieltomitch7048]

Hey man I have a question: i have an nitro mesh module for my e-drum, the problem is that the ride, crash and cymbals aren't dual sone, so i can't have a ring sound. I was thinking to myself, the module acctualy have two more spare slots, one for a tom and another for a cymbal, so what if a build two triggers in a ride, put each trigger to the extra slots and just config the sound in adictive drums? I dunno, It seems to me that It would have much interfearence between each trigger, but would you consider it a good or at least a functional idea? Thanks for reading, awsome video ;)

[@undermixx]

The challenge is to have good signal separation from both trriggers, dual or triple zone cymbals use resistors to separate signals from bell to bow but if you use two channels in the module, i guess you will be triggering both zones at the same time...but, it is easy and cheap to try it, so i your case i will try it

[@danieltomitch7048]

@@undermixx thanks! Yesterday I realized that my extra tom slot is dual zone, so maybe its rly a good ideia to try out

[@riaanvanwyk5374]

Thanks for this. How would one do this with the hi hat?

[@undermixx]

Hi Hat is a lot more complex, i have converted mine succesfully so Im preparing a video...stay tuned

[@Siropourlatoux93]

Hello, How did you get 2 piezo on the same jack ?

[@undermixx]

Use this wiring diagram lh5.ggpht.com/_IwFX2VoEcr4/SrVEgvflM0I/AAAAAAAABF0/inZLcF6n6Oc/yammi2.JPG

[@martinp.8781]

Hola, por favor explícame como conectaste los dos piezos, ya los ordené, veo tus comentarios en inglés pero nada mejor que en el español, genioo!!

[@undermixx]

Hola lo primero que hay que entender es que las entradas de cymbals estan configuradas para funcionar con piezo-switch, por lo tanto yo intercambie las entradas del floor tom con el ride, de esa forma puedo usar el ride en la entrada del floor tom que es piezo-piezo, luego soldas el cable blanco de un piezo al conector T del conector 1/4 TRS (Tip,Ring,Sleeve), el otro cable blanco del piezo a una resistencia de 10K ohm o 20K ohm y el otro extremo al conector R y las dos mallas al S

[@youpre7355]

Now have 3 way pickup Where good spot for 3 way to mark on cymbal

[@undermixx]

Try to avoid hot spots, and put them on opposite site takeb the center of the cymbal as a reference, there you can have better bell- bow trigger adjustment in your controller

[@EdwardJ_drums]

Please let us see the cord or splitter set up u use.

[@undermixx]

Use this wiring lh5.ggpht.com/_IwFX2VoEcr4/SrVEgvflM0I/AAAAAAAABF0/inZLcF6n6Oc/yammi2.JPG

[@EdwardJ_drums]

@@undermixx can you make amother video?

[@LordSnoodles]

@@EdwardJ_drums I agree with these sentiments. "It's cheap and easy!" except for most people, it isn't easy at all. So you need to show them how, like, for real and all the way, from beginning to end. The diagram shared is baffling for most people.

[@EdwardJ_drums]

@@LordSnoodles i agree. Im a newbie and i dont have so much background in the diagrams like what he shared to us.

[@LuisDiazDrums]

@@undermixx ufff mannn siiii! haste un videito de ese channel spliter PORFAVOR!! el internet te lo implora!!

[@God0mesu]

how do you stop the cymbals from rotating?

[@undermixx]

Rubber shoe straps

[@chrisjory8595]

How did ya splice and tie these together?