How To Make Perfect Psytrance Bass With Vital 2023 + Extra Tips

[@suffist]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/gH-neIhogd9_n7s The original video how to make those glide leads.

[@whoami133]

I dare to say that this is your best bassline tutorial so far and also the best I've seen on KZbin so far. Straight to the point without rambling on and on about stuff most beginner producers don't understand anyway. Good job.

[@SynapticMadness]

Super nice tutorial! For those using Ableton, you could create an instrument rack of your Vital bass, create a new chain in the rack, duplicate the Vital instance to the new chain (removing the fundamental on this one), then bring out the Shaper audio effect. Make a square shape and map the shaper to the chain selector in the instrument rack. Then adjust the ranges to make sure the Vital instance without the fundamental is activated on the first bassnote, and vice versa.

[@drspacesquirrel]

hey , i am a very new psytrance producer (since august 2023 ) gonna do that pretty serious ! thank you so much for your videos , i do not know any people in my near who could help me personally so i depend on videos like yours. thank you so much

[@ArtisolGG]

i've watched countless tutorials for this. and this is by far the best and spot on. thanks sir, would love to see more from you. subscribed.

[@dlumpekramer]

Very nice One of the Best, or The Best and coolest Psytrance Baseline Tutorial at KZbin. My Problem is to understand English good. At 8:20 im out Very good Work, Dash Glitch

[@tamasfalus1027]

awesome tutorial! Thank you very much. really easy to understand. Greeeeat help!!!!

[@cemicalshift]

Totally awesome! Working on my first Psytrance track and been trying some different bass tutorials, this one sounds really good💙

[@arborealsquid2380]

Amazing video, helped me figure out the technical side of properly mixing psybass, which I've always struggled with. Thanks!

[@glorkglunk639]

You could also map the sub's level on the fundamental oscillator or the wavetable position of one oscillator to velocity, that way you can just turn the velocity on the midi note down to choose which notes have sub or not. For people who don't use bitwig I guess

[@DataBroth]

haha I ended up using velocity, but didn't even consider wavetable position, excellent idea

[@thomasschumacherOFC]

@@DataBroth Could you please explain how you do that?

[@MutleeIsTheAntiGod]

​@@thomasschumacherOFC you drag the velocity mapper over to the wave table position slider, then in your daw toucan adjust the velocity of each note. Its the default view in piano roll in FL studio

[@Maradnus]

An absolute master class right here.. By far the best most informative vid I have seen on this topic. well done Dash!

[@avationmusic]

That’s genius! You can do this in Ableton too using an instrument rack and the chain selector for anyone wondering. This is such a nice tip, so obvious to do but I’d never have thought of it. Gonna apply this to allessss going forward😂😋 I just want to say I am so happy I’ve found your channel because I honestly don’t find many guys these days that know the technical fine details the way you do, such as editing the wave table rather than using an EQ to avoid ringing and phase shift, let alone another South African! Keep making your content bro I look forward to it🤞🏼

[@stefanengel4714]

Dear Glitch, I follow your tutorials and I like the music you produce. Next to Dom Sigalas, your tutorials are the most entertaining and fruitful on KZbin. Keep up the good work and happy 2023.

[@guicercal]

nice tutorial! a suggestion for the ones who prefer use SERUM, you can use 2 oscilators, on the first you use the wavetable bins panel to remove the fundamental, and in the second osc you can use a sine wave, than you can use the lfo to modulate to amplitude of the first osc to mimic what Dash did on the Bitwig

[@DataBroth]

I decided to follow this tutorial, I haven't made psytrance in years the fundamental tip works SO well, also didn't know you could swap group types with right click also thank you for reminding me to mix at a lower volume

[@cryptout]

Nice, I’ve been trying to get better at psy bass and can always use some updated insights.

[@Overxpossed]

Wow... another insightful straight to the point tutorial by the genius! You're damn brilliant mate. I'm actually using Psyscope... my life had changed since then :)

[@itayoron]

Amazing tutorials! It’s incredible to see the depth of control and precision Dash Glitch achieves with Psytrance bass in Bitwig, especially regarding the separation of the fundamental frequency for clean mixing with the kick. What’s exciting is that this technique can be replicated directly within Vital, offering a powerful method accessible across any DAW. By utilizing Vital’s three oscillators to separate the fundamental, second harmonic, and remaining harmonics, we gain individual control over these crucial elements of our bass sound. Even more, we can extend this method to include precise control over the second harmonic and implement kick-ducking within Vital itself. This is done by assigning additional LFOs to modulate the volumes of these oscillators, mimicking the ducking effect and ensuring our bassline perfectly complements the kick without any frequency clashes. Creating macros in Vital for the fundamental, second harmonic, and kick-ducking not only simplifies the process but also provides on-the-fly adjustments that can dramatically alter the feel and groove of our tracks. This approach showcases the versatility and depth of synthesis available within Vital, empowering producers to achieve studio-grade Psytrance basslines in any DAW, without the need for external routing or complex setups. This synthesis technique underscores a crucial aspect of electronic music production: understanding and manipulating the core components of your sounds. By mastering these concepts within Vital, we unlock a vast realm of creative possibilities, ensuring our basslines are not only powerful but also perfectly integrated with the rest of our mix.

[@DashGlitch]

very well put! Thanks The main issue with vital is you don't have partial control with imported tables, so you have to do very tricky spectral EQing to splits the bands, but yes you're right!

[@UralaTAO]

Thanks brother :)

[@nilsheinen6724]

Thanks for the Tip with the fundamental, i mean after Hearing you Talk about It it seems kinda obvious but i didn't think of that haha. Great Videos i'll try these Tips right now!

[@frequency_sequencer]

Finally someone said it what's the point in putting 3 bass notes if they will sound like 2 ... I was actually using a different bass patch for my second sixteen all this while ... This should work at hitech tempos too ... The side chain creates a bouncy vibe that takes the agression away

[@cyberprojectmusic]

This tutorial are awesome. Helps me a lot for the Bass Thanks a lot😊

[@satoripanic]

Love your channel, bro! It's very inpspiering, and for sure it's very usefull! I actually started to use this synth after watching your video)

[@MagnatusPrime]

I've been using all this techniques figuring them out on my own lol, I guess I have to believe in myself more

[@hymen0callis]

Valuable tip about removing the fundamental. Personally, I'd do the switch between the bass sounds within Vital instead, by having a wavetable containing the two waveshapes and using an LFO modulation to switch between the two. (Not sure how well that would sound though.)

[@DrBuffaloBalls]

You could also just use another oscillator, and automate the volumes in inverse directions.

[@peteredsbacker4513]

@@DrBuffaloBalls indeed, that is what I do. Then I let a CC control a xfade between them and use a note to cc script routing from the kick midi to it. So "full" bass is on when kick is off (kick gets a 1/8 note)

[@vilgotbrons5169]

2 channels is also a possability.

[@Overxpossed]

very clever! That would remove the phasing if sidechaining a high pass filter that cut out the low fundamental.

[@Keroser1983]

THIS IS AMAZING!!! So deep. You are probably the best on this one!!!

[@bartekglinski2665]

wow, It's really rare to find such a great knowledge source as these tutorials that you make. Where did you learn all of this? All from youtube or school education?

[@fredkrannich2643]

instead of two different layers you could automate the volume of a second osc sine wave with oppesite phase (shifted by 90°) for the first of the three 1/16 bassnotes so it will just "cut" the fundamental (negative interference). its really nice because its keytracked aswell :)

[@Kuzurinibubu]

Great tutorial. Thanks for the tips and knowledge!

[@hyperstls]

Как всегда очень полезно! Спасибо!

[@wes_the_scifi_guy]

I got lite version of bit wig from plugin boutique and havnt even used it but I know I would like to use it for sound design. I need to open it and see what lite can do

[@3styleat]

very nice tutorial as always glitch. keep up the good work. i swear your tutorials are by far the best out there

[@tomerarad5966]

Very nice and comprehensive tutorial, thanks ❤

[@ILLUMINATI_CARTEL]

Again and again, you r the KING!!!! Thank you, it's a pure gold 💜👑

[@neohippie6737]

Great tutorial, I will just try it today. I am really struggling with my rolling tripplet Base in my mix and I will make sure to try it and see if I can get my miy sound right :)

[@philharmonie3006]

This is worth gold, thank you so much

[@DashGlitch]

You're very welcome!

How do you think Ajja made the processed his bass in aria 51 from oddular? This KnB intrigues me so much

[@yandereSyndrome]

One more benefit of using the LFOs in envelope mode is that you can sync them to the tempo. The envelopes are more “what you see is what you get”, but if you’re trying to trigger some movement that lines up with the beat, it’s not clean.

[@utzawutza8622]

damn bro good "simple soloution" never thought of that ...... fixed my alltime "EQ Problem" with my baselines in 15 minutes lol 😍much love

[@BorisBarroso]

Really cool and creative thanks. Just one question, the step modulator is set with 1/32 note? I also find very simple to apply this technique to other Daws you would need to channels for the bass and add automation using the mute button.

[@DashGlitch]

1/16, yes true!

[@simpson6700]

there is an upwards saw wave in basic shapes. also the way you drew it in shifted the phase by 180 (before manually shifting it).

[@DashGlitch]

Good call, but they're actually not the same - try phase cancel them, they don't null. In the basic shapes, every second partial has it's phase shifted which makes for smoother morphs between shapes but it's not necessary with static waves, especially when we want to offset the phases manually with something like disperser.

[@simpson6700]

@@DashGlitch unless i'm understanding things wrong (i'm still very new to this), they do phase cancel each other out. if i draw in your upward saw wave at 0 phase and put the initialize downward saw wave on the 2nd oscillator at 180 phase i get no sound.

[@DashGlitch]

Strange I get sound, very faint but it's there - every second harmonic. If you open the editor and have a look, you will see a difference in the shapes, it's in every second partial.

[@adrianastello859]

Bro just found your channel just watched tons of your videos. Holy fuck dude some solid work my guy thank you for sharing your knowledge

[@Alexandrina-z4t]

What about drawing a second wavetable , without the fundamental, and use an lfo in sync mode to change between the two? 1 and 2 16th note- wavetable1 3 and 4 16th note- wavetable 2 (the same as 1 but without the fundamental) first time doing a trance bass.... does it work the best this way? for me it sounds good but i'm not sure if its the best it can be.

[@DashGlitch]

yep that can work too, I just wanted to show a variety of methods/ tricks :)

[@Alexandrina-z4t]

thank you so much. its precious the information you share! hope to see you performing some day who knows!@@DashGlitch

[@vilgotbrons5169]

this is genius! such a smart idea. thanks glitch, always teaching me wild stuff.

[@meltingvision]

right when i needed you most. thanks Dash you fucking rule!

[@zemekiel]

I found an easy way to do this in Logic Pro X as well. Duplicate your final vital track and remove the fundamentals on the second one, create a summing track stack with these 2 tracks. Go into the track inspector for each track and either limit which instrument to use by limiting key range or velocity. If you choose key range, then edit the octave on your synth patch accordingly. Then you just draw the midi in on the stack instead of individual tracks, and also put the effect plugins on the stack.

[@xphorm]

Insane. Cutting edge surgical operation on kick & bass.

[@greggsonic]

Loving this, plus the fact you have moved over to Bitwig. I managed to get a Cubase 12 copy and I find it so difficult, clunky and less intuitive. Bitwig is easy to create an idea out of nothing. :)

[@EntonDelMonte]

Wow great skills!

[@bleighhh]

Hi Dash, what about this in the grid or anywau with stock bitwig?

[@DashGlitch]

Yea at that time the envelopes in grid were not as accurate as I need for bass, but there have been a few updates so I need to double check

[@bleighhh]

@@DashGlitch i will do it as well as inspired by you in this video. Recently started out with electronic music production, thanks for your videos

[@Grant82gc]

This is similar to what I do in ableton. The first bass note is on one chain in the instrument rack and the last two notes are in another chain. Instead of removing the fundamental I EQ the first note but I might do it your way from now on (it's cleaner). I think I learnt the concept from DayDin although I think he simply just uses two channels rather than a rack.

[@novatune3523]

i heard that kick and bass should peak at -12 but what about the whole mix with leads and fx ? should the whole mix also peak at -12 or close to that ?

[@DashGlitch]

I generally aim the overall mix peak at -6dB, before a "quick master" rack, which brings the rest to 0 and clips, this way if something pokes above the peak threshold the clip makes it very audible, and can be adjusted.

[@tokero5199]

This was extremely useful! Not a fan of calling applying a LFO for sidechain though, soon we will be calling reducing the velocity of a note sidechaning as well :p

[@DashGlitch]

Trigger it with MIDI to ease your mind

[@a.d.h.s.]

quality stuff!! Thanks Glitch

[@beaulachance7439]

Serum has a remove fundamental process in the wavetable editor which can work for this

[@DashGlitch]

Yes

[@Pro-gressive]

Would a high-passed Sawtooth/whatever wave wavetable, automating the wavetable position timed to the kicks help avoid phasing/EQ ringing issues you mention? I know Vital is free, but trying to limit my synth options to avoid paralysis of choice.

[@DashGlitch]

You can do similar in Phase Plant and Serum in the Wavetable editor

[@theuzhaamtak574]

Killer tutorial!

[@pilzfreak9662]

Nice I always wondered how to do it better than my tries so far xD Was perfectly able to implement this method in the grid in bitwig :) thank you very much :) Edit: Was a bit a pain in the a** because the envelopes have the smoothing on and this makes it have 10ms latency, but if you turn it off it works exactly as in vital

[@GunnyGops]

Very good Sir!)

[@victorborisovich]

Super! Thank you

[@diogomatos408]

How about Shaperbox and do the sidechain only on the sub in the 1st note? Awesome tutorial mate! Will try this one!

[@DashGlitch]

Like I said in the video, adjusting harmonics = cleaner than EQ / any type of filtering

[@rmolag]

As a Cubase user overhere (not ready yet to jump to Bitwig), i would really like a DAW independent workaround, maybe that's an idea for a next video on the same subject

[@DashGlitch]

2 separate channels is the only way in cubase

[@DashGlitch]

you can potentially make 2 oscilators and switch between those, I find that sometimes to not be very accurate though

[@rmolag]

ok, thx, i will give it a try@@DashGlitch

[@jarkkojs]

zebra 2 has two useful spectral effects for oscillators: fundamental and brilliance. The former can attenuate fundamental away, and the latter can be used to boost higher harmonics (a bit like when you set 'repeat' in ableton's operator synth to divisions).

[@m4r5]

with remap you can create the same idea in phase plant and of course you could also create it directly in vital aswell ;)

[@violqz3720]

There is actually a way to do it in Fruity Loops too using the "Layer"-plugin together with "Envelope Controller"

[@nofood1]

Do you have a Pigments bass tutorial ?

[@DashGlitch]

I have not yet, I'll look into that

[@nofood1]

@@DashGlitch 🫡🫡🫡

[@AlexandreBique]

What about a side chain in bitwig using an audio receiver on an EQ, on the high pass cutoff?

[@DashGlitch]

I try not use high-pass EQs on bass, it creates phasing issues most of the time and alters the sound of the source a bit too much.

[@danielgreen2348]

Do you have any tutorials on how to make that bubbly growl at around 0:36?

[@KovertCorteX]

Immediately useful the second I click. Nice

[@citadelo5ricks]

I thought keytrack was relative adjustment of the filter based on the incoming note?

[@Kevrix]

Amazing work!! :D

[@VenetAnoe]

I have a slight feeling that I am overthinking this, but I am struggling with one particular part of the bassline - the downpitching in the synthesis phase. My bassnote sounds nice and punchy when I don't downpitch it (in contrast to this and many other tutorials, however in that cases it misses many subby elements) but when I downpitch by one octave it sounds fairly weak. I often thought about layering but when I look it up on youtube everyone creates the bassline just with one osc on. Could it be because most of the tracks I try to produce are in D or D# where the bass generally doesnt sound good? I'm a producer beginner and have a feeling that I'm missing something trivial which sadly prevents me from going further haha

[@hypnoticatrance]

Is there a video, you do the same with Serum without fab filters?

[@beaulachance7439]

In the wavetable editor you can process out the fundamental, it's called "remove fundamental"

[@ricardolimalopes2343]

ty so much mate, love you

[@FRIIDON]

Hey man, really love the tutorial but somehow it doesn‘t work for me.. 😕 after I set the first LFO to envelope the sound is only triggered once just like a single pluck. and it doesn‘t play it sequenced when I hold the button for the note. I followed every step but it won‘t work… Help pls 😅

[@DashGlitch]

play 3 notes

[@FRIIDON]

@@DashGlitch still not working. I saw that you just hold down the button and it automatically plays the sequenzed bass. No matter what I press on the keyboard the sound only plays once.

[@DashGlitch]

@@FRIIDON that's the sequence coming from the MIDI clip, not the plugin

[@Ni7ram]

i have a question about the 2 envelopes.. if they are in sequence, does the filter not just follow the more restrictive curve?

[@henriquematias1986]

if you just want to remove the fundamental you can have the fundamental as a sine wave oscillator on Vital and then just automated that sine wave to be at the volume you want, at the same time you can remove the fundamental from the saw and that way you won't need multiple instances of vital? : D

[@DashGlitch]

Biitwig automatically de-activates the instances when you use the select layer container ;) it';s the same, but this way is less complex with the modulation and thus, less to go wrong

[@ricardolimalopes2343]

Can you please make a video about How to make melodic basslines on full on trance? Please???

[@ozainke1]

Dope stuff

[@Nuke_Skywalker]

can do that in ableton with the grouping function inside the channel and using a chain selector

[@DashGlitch]

True, problem is double the CPU load then. Bitwig's selector uses the smart disabling

[@Nuke_Skywalker]

@@DashGlitch well, you technically could use automation to enable and disable the individual chains so only one of them is active at any time. or get a faster cpu. i5 12400 did it for me :P

[@flaxmax7278]

greetings from Germany. if you are here let me know!

[@citadelo5ricks]

I removed the fundamental up high, at 7K, and saw a spike in SPAN right after the frequency dip. This does not happen in Serum. Interesting. Is Vital just "filtering" and causing resonance at the cut off?

[@DashGlitch]

The fundamental can't be that high in the bass

[@citadelo5ricks]

@@DashGlitch Understood, I was doing this for the purpose of making space for hihats.

[@generalgrievance555]

good stuff

[@djahvelle]

Solid!!

[@VoidEx13]

This would work worse if you have some non-linear postprocessing. But you can use Harmonic Split just to isolate fundamental. You can also then bounce into sampler two versions: with and without fundamental.

[@highlove8771]

Wow killer

[@gloubilo132]

i really don't know how 2 envelopps can be applied on only 1 filter...it can be one or the other but not 2 at the same time. Or if so, it must have an algorithm for selecting which one is applied : the max of 2 ? (for example)

[@DashGlitch]

It's the sum of the signals

[@psynade1314]

you saved me lord thank you

[@molloyzer1]

I can’t seem to get the right bass sound on Vital. I can get good synth leads, but it always starts clipping with bass. Complete beginner with making psytrance btw so I might be doing something wrong.

[@DashGlitch]

clipping as in too loud? are you trying with just a single oscillator first?

[@molloyzer1]

@@DashGlitch I have no idea to be honest with you. I know an oscillator is like an electronic sine sequence, but I basically tried to do everything you did in the video. It sounds great from my laptop speakers, but it turns to a low, squelchy buzz when I use my headphones. The issue could also be that my set so far starts at a very low pitch, or it could be that I’ve mixed it incorrectly. Drums and bass are usually slightly above 100db and the ambience and leads slightly lower? I appreciate your feedback btw and I’ve learned alot from your videos and like your stuff. 👍 Also, I’ve noticed a difference in my approach to psytrance coming from the music I played previously with more emphasis on synth pads, leads with the sci-fi-inspired call and response, experimental sounds taking a back-seat. Is there anything I need to take into account with this approach in terms of mixing or appeal?

[@barbarosefeturkay5965]

How about for longer basslines?

The audio from your video does sound so much louder than what comes out of my daw... i do not understand why is this?! Subb out my ableton is nothing compared to sub out of this video. are you doing any other processing that i am missing because i do not understand bitwig?

[@DashGlitch]

Just like a limiter on the output but no magic sauce

@@DashGlitch amazing! thanks for the quick response :)

[@StanleyGurvich]

Wouldn’t it be more efficient to remove the fundamental via layer2 in Vital and mix both via the macros or midi cc or automation. If you don’t have bitwig just do that. Plus just one instance of Vital.

[@craigburton4447]

Couldn't you just make a wave table of the full saw and the saw minus the fundamental and use velocity or something to modulate between them? Maybe an option for those without Bitwig? EDIT: Great tutorial BTW, sorry, I forgot my manners

[@DashGlitch]

It's better to remove fundamental and modulate a sine in and out, but yea you can totally do that, I just find it a bit messy in the patch if you know what I mean

[@shykall]

Hello Dan. From the beginning of this tutorial, your sound , in vital is very loud, and bassy. While copying your settings I cannot get your great bass sound even remotely....so frustrating ! All the others tutorials I'tried, give the same result on my computer, as on the video . I guess some processing happens, on your part, after vital sound (EQ, Compressor, limiter...) . Without this missing piece of the puzzle, it is imposssible to get your nice snappy attack. Which is the real body of your bass. There where a few nice tricks, that you gave us, in the beginning. Thank you for that. BTW, Another youtuber (adrenakrohm) had the idea of using the step mode in a LFO, that controls 2 low oscilators, in order to get the first note ( after the kick) quieter. I thought it would interesting to share this, for people, like me, who don't use Bitwig.. take care.

[@DashGlitch]

the only difference I can think of is the pitch of the note, there is no secret processing on here, everything is shown in the video. Yes I know Adrenakrohm, he's one of my original patreon members. Sure you can use LFO, but if it's internally processed in the synth I tend to use velocity instead, just much quicker to program.

[@shykall]

​@@DashGlitchHi Dan. Thank you for your answer. Velocity indeed, would the simplest way to achieve this. Concerning the sound difference, I tried again. I guess I had forgotten to put a few "smooth parameter" to 0 and to put, at least, the LFO 3 to 1/16 . Then it became punchy too. As for the fat bass sound : I was still making this rookie mistake : the notes were too short. My bad...and I'm sorry for the trouble. Now I have the same punchy and fat sound. Thank you, for your help. I realy enjoyed watching your tutorials. Now I will enjoy praticing with them too. Have a nice time making music and teaching your skills. .Take care.

[@ReolSPro]

that helped a lot m8 - thx 😛

[@alfa156c]

nice

[@kunturasmr]

next time you can configure your oszillos mega scope from two sources and you can see if there are phase issues

[@DashGlitch]

There are none automatically because the sound sources don’t exist in the same freq domain

[@auroratranceaudio7465]

I assume ithis is because you've got some master processing or post processing on the video, but whenever I follow these tutorials even to the smallest detail my sounds are always lacking substantially in thiccnesss. always sounds better in your vids

[@DashGlitch]

only a limiter. maybe it's the key/note you choose?

[@permatt13]

LOL I have the same shroomy tapestry in the background

[@truthbetold2012]

science.