How to Manipulate RNG in League of Legends's 2v2 Arena Mode

How to Manipulate RNG in League of Legends's 2v2 Arena Mode | Sweaty Nidhogg Guides

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@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

there are a ton of small details that are pointless to put in because the main point/keeping your attention is more important + those details actually work in your favor (such as being unable to draw augments you previously saw, multiple augments in same tier, teammate coordination etc.). the main one that works against you i addressed.

@ShkulcoBaumTopf 6 ай бұрын

i waited for this video since you played the stackosaurus aurelion round

@offigjuimce 6 ай бұрын

King Nidhogg is that League youtuber who is genuinely interested in his audience being more knowledgeable and wise. Kudos to you, Erick

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

aye, sisyphus could never

@zebruh7490 6 ай бұрын

Bro has the same skill set as a speedrunner. -Has extensive knowledge about Arena -Is able to grind gruellingly for an augment -Sometimes utilizes glitches -Learns more about the game through the community and puts the knowledge to good use -Is able to time inputs precisely -Manipulates RNG & -Bonus skill: Is able to explain his thought process whilst playing

@nobodynobody5396 6 ай бұрын

can you make a video on how to manipulate RNG on stocks please? my portfolio is faring worse than a boeing 747

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

gme, not financial advice

@arimabz 6 ай бұрын

@@KingNidhogg sold the house and put it all in gme, wish me luck 🤞

@GoldenChallanger 6 ай бұрын

Maybe you should try something else? As a boeing exect once said "when you close every door, another, hidden one, opens".

@michasobczak7910 6 ай бұрын

Gme actually going up nicely today 😅

@KD-_- 4 ай бұрын

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@asherfelix4807 6 ай бұрын

can you pls make a video about how to manipulate rng in league of legend's 2v2 arena mode???

@WhyJusticeWhy 6 ай бұрын

nice one , i got it

@hansvillenews 6 ай бұрын

Extremely straight forward and useful. Much appreciated!

@dinojuventino 6 ай бұрын

Average arena sweat: "video too long I will just lock in Garen or Gragas or smth that is surely fun for everyone."

@Lollipop15763 6 ай бұрын

So people playing the champion they like in a fun gamemode, that they don't want to spend a majority of their free time in, is more sweaty than studying the gamemode in and out to devise optimal strategies?

@sillyking1991 6 ай бұрын

why should they care to try to make the game fun for you? especially based on something as basic as champion selection. its not their job to try to read your mind and figure out who you personally wouldn't have fun playing against. if there are a plethora of champions that you can't have fun playing against, then perhaps arena mode isn't for you. but stop trying to place the burden on the other players of ensuring you have a fun time. its not their job. to ward off morons that will try to act like im supporting toxicity via "if its not their job to make sure you have fun, they why not just let people be assholes and grief." there's an obvious difference between performing a basic action that you're meant to do...like picking whatever champion you wanna play, and actively going out of your way to make the game unfun for everyone else by doing things that are not a basic function of the game. A player going AFK or refusing to buy items for the sake of ruining other peoples fun is a very different thing from picking a champion that you personally struggle to have fun against.

@jedhraley 5 ай бұрын

@@sillyking1991 found the garen main

@Hail_Fire 6 ай бұрын

I will say that I respect and can acknowledge the level of awareness you have towards how your content can alter and change the metagame landscape of Arena. Obviously it is hard to know how any of the information will play out once revealed to the community, but I do think that the simple fact you are aware of how much influence you possess makes me optimistic

@gengerlol 6 ай бұрын

Great explanatory video, thanks! also another argument in favor of waiting - if the argument you want to catch was chosen by 3 or 4 people, either change the strategy or leave, it will be almost impossible to catch it.

@gragalakaisel1477 6 ай бұрын

are the augments that will appear depends on which champion is on the lobby? if so, can dead champions or teams that have already lost, can their champion based augments still appear?

@michaelwarnecke3474 6 ай бұрын

People holding unknown augments does not change the chance of you getting a particular augment. You can think of the unknown augments as being random (even if they know them, to you the augments are random), so now rerolling while someone is holding 3 augments is the same as taking the stack of cards, shuffling it, putting the bottom three away and taking the top one. It does not matter whether you put away those three or not (not it doesn't matter if they are at the top either). This may still impact optimal decision making in two ways: 1. Waiting for others to pick so you know the odds. If you have an ok prismatic augment, but want a particular prismatic augment you can wait for the others to pick. If none of them pick your favoured augment your odds are increased and you can roll. If any of them did pick it, you don't roll and settle for the ok one. Waiting only does anything here, if the opponents augments would actually affect your decision making, if you are going to roll regardless you might as well do it now, because it has no effect (other than 2.) 2. The augments opponents pick and thus, remove from the pool will tend to be stronger ones. So, if you consider the options quickly and immediately reroll, the ones you can't find will be random and thus there is no effect on the likelihood of receiving a quality augment. However, if you wait until the end of the round, 15 good to great ones will have been removed from the pool and your reroll odds are reduced. So as a rule of thumb, rolling fast is probably important. 3. Finally, (again, as a rule of thumb) rerolls matter more for prismatic and gold augments, the difference between a good silver augment and a useless one is far lesser than that between a good prismatic augment and a useless one. (Actually in 2 you could replace quality with desirable, if you want augments the rest of the players would deem undesirable (maybe you really like frozen foundations) rolling slow is the way!)

@sebastianricard7910 6 ай бұрын

does stackosaurus work on passively gained stacks? Like if u play Nasus the item would only be good if u gained 75% more stacks between rounds and not 75% more if u kill a target on q

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

yeah

@Jiroscopio_ 6 ай бұрын

Can anyone confirm if Vulnerability can be rolled Round 1 in champs without DoT abilities? Wiki doesn't mention any exception for it but I don't remember rolling it before buying items that can proc it on non-dot champs

@sillyking1991 6 ай бұрын

im pretty sure you can, i don't play almost any DoT champs and im sure i've seen it. The logic they use for augments like that is they can only show up for champs that can use them. and anyone can theoretically use crit chance. so it should show up for anyone

@phupisitjan-ai2659 6 ай бұрын

Yes you can, i just saw a rengar pick Vul

@ethanmendez4199 6 ай бұрын

The ability stat exception has ornn on the list but I got phenomenal evil on him. Perhaps this is only because I got Don't Chase as well.

@sillyking1991 6 ай бұрын

yeah its probably set up so that you can't get augments that you can't benefit from. if ornn has no AP scaling then he won't see phenomenal evil unless he gets some way to benefit from the AP. the stat exception lists are probably the default. but...well for example if you buy a heartsteel im pretty sure it allows you to then see stackosaurus

@mathewhiscock7986 6 ай бұрын

I do not know who else might know the answer to this but im highly curious. Would kayle's auto attacks proc rite of ruin? They are considered to be spells, right?

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

they proc magic missile at least so id assume it follows the same logic. try it yourself

@mathewhiscock7986 6 ай бұрын

@@KingNidhogg Thank you, I will

@jogadorjnc 6 ай бұрын

I believe RoR is on cast (rather than on ability hit) so it probably doesn't work with her passive Each auto wave counts as an ability hit, but afaik doesn't count as being cast

@mafioso_nicho 6 ай бұрын

funky lighting on the handcam with the cards but overall super high quality video as for usual. your community loves the content

@michasobczak7910 6 ай бұрын

Due to what you shown, I have one question: if you are going for ultra-stacks-rex (yes I dont remember the name and Im on phone, dont make use 1 minute of my already wasted life on it), then isnt it better to rush the rolls even if others have stacking champs? In most cases they will also pick it the moment they see it, so before they use up their rolls for it and non stacking champs release the cards, you should rush it yourself right? (Unless there is like 8+ stacking champs but thats not likely)

@DracoMoriarty 6 ай бұрын

I don’t think you mentioned whether augments that have been picked by other players go back to the deck. If everyone else finished picking and one of them picked “Ace”, are there only 3 in the deck now?

@sillyking1991 6 ай бұрын

yes. thats why in his example he said that you know that that person isn't holding an Ace. once they pick their augment, you know what they're holding, and therefore know they can't be holding something else. in contrast, if that augment did go back then it wouldn't matter what the actual augment was, it would only matter that they picked an augment. And so reading/checking what everyones augments are wouldn't matter, only checking that they all picked one. At the very least that is the perspective that he seems to be coming from, obviously idk if he's right.

@LaviniaDing 6 ай бұрын

damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn what them fingers doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@kimjunghoon02 6 ай бұрын

Lav what da hellllll💀💀💀💀

@loganduncan4315 6 ай бұрын

honestly really cool and easy to understand explanation, reminds me of Balatro.

@Freez3Face 6 ай бұрын

kai'sa not having WItchful Thinking is baffling to me.. what if you want to play AP Kai'sa

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

if you build a certain way it unlocks those options. witchful doesnt count for kaisa though. only stat shards/regular ap items/wooglets counts (it's an item). augments dont seem to move the threshold. super sad. even adaptive force doesn't count for her evolves.

@karembayar2365 6 ай бұрын

@@KingNidhogg WHAT. I kinda sorta see how she wouldn't get evolves from augments. But items? Seriously? Especially when so many prismatics give adaptive force it seems criminal. At least I know better now so thanks for letting me know!

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

@@karembayar2365 yeah ive been robbed a couple of times when i wanted W evolve round 3

@DaminGamerMC 6 ай бұрын

thanks now everybody will be waiting 40 seconds to chose

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

4:32

@Bambus820 6 ай бұрын

is this ever not happening for you? even loading screens take way longer at the start of arena( i think its bcs random players come back that usually dont play bcs their pc and internet are potatoes)

@DaminGamerMC 6 ай бұрын

@@Bambus820 it is not happening to me but I was being sarcastic with my comment Idc if it takes the forty seconds

@michaelayon4792 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for all the effort you put in your work.

@jogadorjnc 6 ай бұрын

You're assuming people don't pick the ace If you're in a lobby filled with dashing champions and 1st aug is prismatic you should roll for earthwake right away because odds are everyone is gonna roll for it and if you don't do it fast enough it will have been removed from the pool before you have the chance to get it

@lordoflobsters7254 6 ай бұрын

Has anybody done a calculation as to how significant of a difference this makes on average? I assume it would take a decent amount of time and stats/probability knowledge but I can give it a shot if no one else has yet.

@ShaddyFromHatena 6 ай бұрын

I can try to do some quick maths here, and I'll leave my thought process here incase you or anyone else feels like fact checking me. If there's 50 augments in a pool and 4 copies of each, then you have ~200 in pool across lobby. 16 people each taking 3 from that pool to view means the total number left is around 150. At this point, the odds you find any specific augment is unadjusted, since the ones taken from the pool to be shown to players have equal likelyhood at each augment, so your chance of finding a specific one is basically 1/50 for each slot (technically slightly higher since its 3/150 then 3/146 then 3/142 but it doesnt affect the math much) which comes out to about 6% chance to find it per reroll (technically its higher for the rerolls since you cant see dupes, which increases the odds again). Once everyone has selected an augment tho, if the one that you want hasnt been selected, you've effectively removed 15 augments from the pool, which comes out to 4/185. Which comes out to about 0.5% higher chance per reroll to see the one you want specifically, which isn't a super high bonus. However, if you instead see someone pick an augment you specifically want to reroll for, you know your odds of finding it drop CONSIDERABLY, from 6% to 4.8% per reroll. See two people pick it? 2.3% now. Another wrench in this is that some augments are disabled for some champions. If we assume you're playing a champ like samira with no AP scaling and no healing in kit, then the total number of augments per category may actually be more something like 35 you can see. Now let's take into account the fact that rerolls wont let you see dupes of ones you've already seen, and you use 2 rerolls back to back on the augment category that you want, and calculute the full number differences between Waiting and Rolling Immediately. Base Setup: ~105 cards in pool, approx number that are the one you want varies depending on whether or not the other characters in the lobby can *find* that augment. Let's just assume for the sake of the argument that they can and this isnt something like stackasaurus that only benefits you, so number in pool is approx 2.8 (not sure how best to numerically adjust this since again, depending on how many augments are out of the pools of other players because of their heroes, this can range, so i'm going with a best guess Average here between 2.6 [worst case, everyone is niche but in your augment pool] and 3.25 [realistic best case, their possible augments selections are wide and/or out of your pool] and this number is also affected by *when* your augments are technically pulled for your first showing. If everyone is in your niche but you pull them first, your odds of finding are higher than otherwise on a champ whose niches are wider, while if they're not in your niche, your odds go up if you pick last. But this is brass tacks at this point, for this i'm not gonna calculate that and just assume you always pick last for the first roll). There may be some small things I'm missing here but I'm trying to account for most things on average just to give a good example here. Finding without waiting: ~2.8/92 (0.0304) base odds (since you've revealed 3 augments which arent what you want (because otherwise this is pointless), this number is actually slightly higher for the first roll, since those 3 augments cant be rolled again. If we assume all augments have about 2.8 of them left in the pool (again, approximation) then you've removed 8.4 for a 2.8/83.6 [very ugly fraction detected]. Chance of finding without waiting with one roll: 10% Chance of finding without waiting with two rolls: 20% Finding with waiting: ~4/127 (0.0315) base odds. Technically varies between 129 and 125 generally, so we will assume 127. Number of each non-desired mod in pool becomes complicated because of how many ppl are in/out of your niche, but varies between 3.55 and 3.7, so we will use 3.6 here. Number of removed ones from rolling them thus becomes 10.8, for updated base odds of 4/116.2 Change of finding with waiting with one roll: 10.3% Change of finding with waiting with two rolls: 20.5% So, yknow. Not nothing, but very minor odd changes on average from the math I did. That said, again this changes DRASTICALLY depending on circumstance. If there are lots of ppl in your niche specifically, the odd impact is much higher. If its the second time you've seen gold augments in a round, the odds are much higher. And if you see guaranteed that someone has picked your augment, the odds become much lower. (7.8%->15.7%) Also this has huge impact in stuff like stackasaurus. If no one else in your lobby has the ability to find it, then you've guaranteed that your pool of potential ones to see has been reduced from 4/140 to 4/92, and you want to immediately roll for it to guarantee those perfect odds. (14.7%->29.2%) Assuming I missed nothing anyway and that all my estimations for "average" are reasonable. Which is yknow, a big ask for a youtube comment section quick math exchange but hey. TLDR; Impact is minimal, dont worry about it if you're just playing games for fun, but if you see a second augment of the same tier, you can use the knowledge of what augments you've seen others using to determine what you're less likely to find and not waste rerolls looking for those things.

@ciroessmann5527 6 ай бұрын

quick question does this work on primsatic items as well? i feel like if i got runecraver katarina every game i woud climb really easy xD, thank you love your vids

@sillyking1991 6 ай бұрын

he literally covers prismatic items at the end of the video

@1shot4u46 3 ай бұрын

Bro i kinda like your vids, i have a fun theory in mind with Kalista. sadly i don't have a teammate or time to try it, but even w my shitty try i managed to get 9.27 attack speed. Try to play w orrn teammate try to get the Dashing or dual wield prismatic augments (dashing bugs like hell, you should try it) first you should get the gambler's blade then if you got enough money and luck try to get the reaper's toll and hextech companion after that you should only buy attack speed items / choose attack speed augments. it's really fun to glide through the map like a kite while shooting a continous laser beam of spears towards the enemy.

@davifranklin7573 6 ай бұрын

Hey, which website do you use where u show the stats towards the end?

@Bambus820 6 ай бұрын

thats just lolwiki

@dittofish1818 6 ай бұрын

If you scroll really far down on the arena wiki page its under augment exceptions (assuming that's what you meant by stats, not sure what else it would be)

@999fini 6 ай бұрын

i believe you can pull the same prismatic items, just not within the same round

@BurritoPower 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the fun stats explanations💜

@rgnoc 6 ай бұрын

This the type of league content I wanna see, some dank shit

@mattkimber2248 6 ай бұрын

Hey Erick, interesting video. I wasn't sure the maths worked out though, so I checked in Excel. I could have made a mistake, but it looks to me like the odds of receiving the augment you want are higher if you DON'T wait. I have assumed that your opponent picks randomly, and I modelled it with the 16 cards example you used in the video. Can I send this to you somewhere? No flame btw, just interest in understanding a fun probability exercise.

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

2:51

@mattkimber2248 6 ай бұрын

@KingNidhogg Sorry, I don't understand which part in the video you are linking to. I did watch the whole video though, and I think the odds still line up better to not wait. Is there somewhere in your discord I can post a couple of pictures to explain?

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

@@mattkimber2248 dude - if 4 people are holding copies of the augment you want you have a 0% chance. you cannot possibly tell how many people are holding copies of said augment or if they roll into them. therefore, it is uncertain as to whether or not you need to roll now or later. i demonstrate cases where you would actually *want* to roll immediately given certainty of others' augments. im not sure if you are understanding this point so im going to ask you to summarize what i just told you before saying anything else.

@mattkimber2248 6 ай бұрын

@KingNidhogg To summarise what I understand from what you've said: 1. You don't know what your opponents have in the options, you do know what your opponents have selected (after they pick). 2. There are some cases where you will never be able to get the augment you are searching for (either it is selected by opponents, or it is in their options when you reroll). 3. Because you don't know which case you are in, it is generally better (but not always) to wait until your opponents select an augment before you reroll to try for a specific one. I disagree with the last point- I think you ON AVERAGE improve your odds by rolling immediately. I've posted my calcs in the general part of your discord, lmk if there is a better place.

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

@@mattkimber2248 as i responded there - you've calculated based off 4/16 with aces amongst face cards + aces. you have failed to understand that it's not analogous to the 4/204, 4/220 and 4/160 odds for silver/gold/prism.

@Bailf006 6 ай бұрын

The only thing I take issue with is flaming draw your sword. DYS lethality Akshan is fun and funny and you can't convince me otherwise.

@ShaddyFromHatena 6 ай бұрын

DYS Ezreal is also incredibly silly and I've won with that before. Also DYS Samira can go kinda hard into the bruiser kinda build too because of the huge health increase and Atma's existing.

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

today we discovered jokes

@IBTeyes 6 ай бұрын

I just played master of duality + ADAPt ryze and it was hilarious! thought i'd recommend that if you're ever looking for more grinds

@sillyking1991 6 ай бұрын

yo, i got adapt/mater of duality on Yi once. grabbed a HGB and a nashors tooth and just went apeshit. was amazing.

@leTrap 6 ай бұрын

after your ornn video i saw it every round and now people will hold their augments for 40s. I love it tho

@IkEisawesome7 6 ай бұрын

But of course, if everyone knew this and everyone waited, you would garner no intel at all until the final moments. Realistically, your best bet is to just hold an augment you know someone else's champ needs?

@9-b_b-9 6 ай бұрын

Honestly, I'm going to abuse this but just for fun jank like master of duality shaco or ap senna that kinda stuff.

@SupernovaSteven 5 ай бұрын

Wait.. can you repeat that?

@iroukoi472 6 ай бұрын

Like in tft i did the same thing automatically good times to be a tft main

@WTFericFTW 6 ай бұрын

love the thumbnail!

@arisufizu5698 6 ай бұрын

4:25 Nidhogg jumpscare

@fishrawn 6 ай бұрын

Does this apply to prismatic items as well?

@fishrawn 6 ай бұрын

I did not watch the whole video when I commented this 💀💀💀💀

@KingNidhogg 6 ай бұрын

@@fishrawn dude

@damek_productions 6 ай бұрын

Great video!

@charlesHowle 6 ай бұрын

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@faloughasch9239 6 ай бұрын

Thank you for this video. In honor of your work I will now never play for fun and only tryhard by playing Garen (this is a joke, my duo and I are still trying to hit vuln hamstringer mf)