The Difference Between GOOD and BAD Supports - League of Legends

[@skillcapped]

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[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

Finally... That way my idiot ADC is going to know, why I want to trade that much.

[@flansexovich7757]

i think it would be good a farm guide for assasins without good push like akali or lb

[@annasagiakou2768]

Reality is, though, that when you roam after first back the adc dies and starts crying "Leona wtf, stay with me, look at other support, other support is good and protects. Report this leona trash" meanwhile this Leona 1/0/4, vision everywhere, first drake secured, mid pushing, flash still up

[@atrozzorta9602]

^ This person here plays support. This video is great and all, but the Challenger Support has a Challenger ADC, it makes a huge difference in your decision making as a Support. 100% Your ADC will die if you are Platinum or lower and you decide to roam. Doesn't matter what the state of the wave is, your ADC will find a way to die while you roam and then 100% they will flame you and say it was all your fault because they played it perfectly. Good video, but doesn't work for lower elos unless you want a tilted ADC.

[@annasagiakou2768]

@@atrozzorta9602 that's it

[@aaronweiss3294]

I'm adc main, so here's my perspective. I play ezreal and jinx. If I'm playing ezreal, go roam if you'll actually do enough to be worth losing all kill pressure in lane. Most supports don't. If you secure a bunch of kills, drake and ward, I'll be happy for you to leave me. But most supports will leave, die or wander uselessly for minutes at a time, barely ward, and waste the time I could have worked with them to win lane (harder). If I'm playing jinx on the other hand, don't leave me to play against the miss fortune + lux lane for minutes on end. I'll die or not farm at all or just leave lane, unless super fed already. Feel free to leave for a bit, but *come back*. Keep an eye on how the lane is going. I'm a late game hyper-carry, with no mobility, so getting left with hard hitting lane bullies is not sustainable (on the other hand a yuumi/kogmaw is fine, and if the enemy bot is really bad it's also fine). And supports will go play aram in mid for 5 minutes straight, then flame when i die once or twice. After having backed 3 times and pinging for help for minutes. What I'm trying to say is that you need some awareness when roaming, and it's not always an adc's job to play 1v2. It depends on the lane.

[@estrela4035]

@@aaronweiss3294 I mean, i personally think jinx is safer in this case because of her rocket, you can just wait for the enemies to push (if they're not freezing) use your w to get bush vision if you don't have a ward, clean the wave, go base.

[@estrela4035]

@@aaronweiss3294 of course in some cases you'll get dived by a draven leona, so in this case you look at the wave, then you have 2 options. 1: The wave has no cannon? Great, leave traps in your feet so leona cant jump on you, if they dive you anyway, clean the wave, you're already dead so, why should you just die like a potato when you can at least clean the wave. 2: The wave has cannon? Try your best to land those rockets on the mage minions before they're under your tower, if you can't, give the tower go the enemies, there's nothing you can do anyway.

[@TahWinningD]

I've never seen a Brand play that passively ever and seeing how he's standing behind his adc gives me PTSD.

[@FilthyFloor]

PTSD from what

[@elantonelle]

@@FilthyFloor laning with a passive brand

[@h3rity39]

ye they dont even play like that in lower elo

[@iShrix]

90% of my games in soloque xD

[@proplayersclips8267]

He must have had 500 ping and 5-10 fps.

[@DavidBrocekArt]

It's really hard to apply high elo strategy, when you have 4 teammates who just simply don't have this mentality of even improving. Most low elo players are just addicted to that "Kill = good" dopamine rush, and they don't think, they don't plan, they don't have any strategy. And if you do something against their will, they will just afk or troll.

[@DLD-t3k]

Yes Objectives are so important and that stupid dopamin chase into the enemy side is just monke behavior. Im a support main and what you describe are my reasons do not go full ranked mode because it is so exhausting and a waste of energy. But not only objectives map awarness, warding, vision etc im a high Silver solo and lower gold flex and thats okay, if i wanted a higher rankd could be possible but at what cost? You described the point of low elo behavior.

[@vokdmso9898]

Yes also it's hard in lower elos to rely on people and for people to rely on you... it's the reason why i just stopped playing taric, too hard to understand each other

[@mowgli6345]

My God so much this. I feel the pain as a Galio main because I play for my team and not max DPS. I just played a game where I traded my life so my ADC could get a quadra kill, and instead of taking objectives, they BACKED TO BUY. Low elo players have so little situational awareness.

[@ArukiTsukaru]

I thought you said "high elo energy" and was like same

[@windtalker5618]

TRUE ... and the bad thing is when it comes to late game, they make a mistake and giving free bounty to enemies, no objectives when the enemy team has scaling champ And blame people just because their kda isn't better Happens everytime

[@Grape_TFTOLD]

That Leona buying mobis just to run back to lane is the *chefs kiss* of Platinum players

[@PedsHouse]

ngl i done this last night and sat at my tower like "... what the fuck did you just do" haha

[@proplayersclips8267]

Alistar better

[@wladynosz1565]

And my Platinum friends brag about being high elo and having so much more skill than everybody when they reached Plat 4 xDDD

[@carlriggs5413]

@@wladynosz1565 in plat players defense, being plat 4 puts you above 85% of other players. However those 85% of players are pretty atrocious. Still, Being in the top 15% isn't bad going. I think league is generally a hard game. But maybe I'm just bad xD

[@GriffonksxEX]

Yea and in even lower elo the adc would die because he walked too far to lane and flame: where’s my support?

[@stefanmadzharov9170]

He is demolishing 99.99% of the playerbase with arthritis... massive respect!

[@proplayersclips8267]

LOL you nailed it

[@spacetechfan3105]

Me with arthritis being demolished

[@johnermactavish1162]

Man is straight up old martial arts master flipping young bucks on their ass with minimal movements and effort through sheer knowledge and experience while eating rice and fish heads.

[@kingexplosionmurderfuckoff9376]

@@johnermactavish1162 This made me lol, thank you.

[@atlas7134]

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[@benjoleo]

it's quite simple really: my support->bad enemy support->good

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

The reason is, your support is autofilled or doesn't even know what to do cause he didn't have the chance to know what to do as a support.

[@lucykitsune4619]

Hey, I was very clear from champ select on that within the 2 seconds after I hit level 2 I will do four things: 1) Level E 2) Use E on whoever is closest to me 3) Ignite them 4) Auto-Q-Auto them YOU were the one who was standing a mile behind the wave. Also might I add that literally one more auto would have killed the Caitlyn before she was able to do any significant amount of damage? Because it would have. If you'd just been standing ready to react to me jumping in which you should have known based on the fact that 1) I'm a Leona player with 200k mastery points and 2) I literally told you I would do it on 3 seperate occations, this would have been a double-kill for you, not a kill for Caitlyn.

[@JoseGonzalez-wj8nz]

@@lucykitsune4619 Also, the adc call for an all in and run away the second after ._. And then flame cause the support tried to engage... The adc flame the support cause he wanted to remove enemy vision, but the ADCdoesn't help, so the ward instead of being removed in 2 seconds, is removed in 4-5 seconds and the enemy has enough time to call the enemy jungler and get it first cause the adc is a chicken.... Yeah it happened to me before this message.

[@RingerSexyNN]

@@lucykitsune4619 who are you even talking to ?

[@proplayersclips8267]

Same like, my yasuo 0-15, wait till full build we will win. Enemy yasuo,12 -3 300 cs full build min 30 carying solo.

[@krioshhh7384]

the only reason for Brand to stand like that must be his >400 ping... even I, a bronze draft fill player found out that brushes are important

[@hyperjank5129]

Too bad they removed half the bushes on the map for chemtech dragon ;)

[@Nope-ln4yj]

@@hyperjank5129 bushes being removed is more of a problem for fire drake, with chemtech dragon you can still abuse being invissible and shit And in lane the bushes never disappear.

[@baodang3646]

I got diamond 2 this season, but the problem i had with doing roams after killing bot in diamond 4 and below in other lanes, was not that i didnt know to do it. It was more the frustration of tilting your adc over you not being there and eventually he would die 2-1 before you would be back in lane and spampinging and flaming you or even to some extend afk or throw the game.

[@The_Antiquary]

Yeah most people don't have friends that can tell them this is normal play, or watch videos explaining it

[@tommphaseznamcz]

YeH normal i am main supp at gold 4 and i it is just crazy sad .. i have ararege of a+ but have only 56% winrate and i just can not do better coz team trols or just full on throuws this sides don not like to say it but you make only 10% diference and as supp maybe even less

[@atrozzorta9602]

I was actually about to leave a comment about how they never point out the fact that the Challenger Supports also have Challenger ADCs. Because if you roam as a Platinum or lower support your ADC will die ~15 times in 10secs and flame you for it. It's much easier to make the "correct" play as a support, when you know your ADC actually has a brain in their head and won't int for 1cs.

[@yungdjinny]

@@tommphaseznamcz all u have to do is find yourself a decent adc to play with

[@tommphaseznamcz]

@@yungdjinny that is like saying only way to rank up is to play with smurf... riot should chang lp for supp. It is only role where you can not solo carry a game

[@sugarstealer1219]

The problem I experience the most as a supp main is that my adc sometimes wont engage, at the right moments. I will play thresh for instance, hook the adc when his support is off lane and go in. But my Adc wouldn’t follow up or pick up my lantern leaving me stuck in a 1 V 1 against an adc which I’m going to lose. What do I need to do in those situations? EDIT: I see this comment got a lot of attention and I am thankful for the helpful comments, all I want to say is that the example given above is an example and it isn’t the only thing that bothers me. Sometimes I play Bard, shove wave with adc and go for a roam to collect my chimes and gank some lanes while my adc overextends and dies, at those moments my adc generally pings me, starts to rage and sometimes event ints. Just again this is just an example of shit I come across when playing support. Most of the time I just mute them and go focus on other lanes to help those out but this often just makes the ADC run it down. Thankfully it’s going better now and Im (kinda steadily) climbing by just sticking with whomever is strongest on the team and let the adc go fuck themselves if they are literally going in for a 1 v 2 anyway. Ive also learned to expect the absolute worst of my adc. I recommend you adc players to do the same with your supports, sometimes the other player is a god, sometimes they pressed d to dance

[@BrianSkyVG]

Flame them till they uninstall League.

[@chris052692]

Ez, you don't go in.

[@xEmpress95]

Ping more to an extent you'd find yourself annoying. And feign surrender votes to voice your displeasure. Don't use team chat unless it's to specifically ask them politely to go in next time and explain the advantage you had. Also keep in mind you are ultimately two different brains and if the ADC had a different idea like trying to freeze out the lone adc or building a slow push into crash for a dive or recall or drake fight / vision control or even to counter-roam the support, that should also be communicated by them and understood as a possibility by you. Obviously if there's three minions in the centre of the lane, enemy support just backed, you have control ward in tribush and wards on enemy blue and scuttle with Drake not up for another 3:37... Yeah that just feels bad and I'd probably just take note of the adc's passive laning and maybe go apply some pressure mid in case enemy supp shows up there while putting yourself closer to potential top-scuttle, rift herald or top dive plays so you can respond to them. And if the ADC dies in lane at that point because the enemy support returned and used the same advantage they didn't see against them then at least you might be able to snowball mid or top or push out the enemy jungler. Ranked League is a coop game ultimately played by one person and sadly you can't always trust your teammates. And it's why Skill-Capped uses that Sheep-herder analogy. Oh, and if your ADC flames you at that point just mute them.

[@nic.h]

Yeah know this feeling. Ping your intention if you can. Target ping, assist ping, and go. If they don't follow then it's not like you could have been clearer. Even so you'll have times when they leave you hanging for what would have been a free kill, cs advantage and tower plates. I tend to start looking for roams at that point, you are the support for the team not the adc only, so if you can get better value for your time elsewhere do it

[@kitchensnake649]

Ping spam, flame in chat, report, ddos then stab them

[@catfood4142]

My experience is adc players have the worst laning knowledge until d2, most of the times adc in low elo can get away with zero interaction in lane, it’s either let the supp do all the work or both sides doing nothing till jg or mid gets in

[@xuan.1611]

Ngl thats is very true. I mean early game adc cant really do alot compare to sp

[@catfood4142]

@@xuan.1611 the worst part is. adc in low elo also dont need macros...they can get away without both micro and macro, all they need to do or know in lower elo is positioning and itemizations. they are just the worst players among the team, along side with Yummi mains if you really think about it. of cuase low elo only.

[@xuan.1611]

Catfood damn.....that kinda hurts being an ex adc main myself

[@zERTY1337]

This is just factually wrong. Litterally all the laning mechanics that supps experience applies to ADC aswell and ontop of that ADCs are the main contributers to wave management. I'd say there is a pretty big reason for why people are calling supp role elo inflated

[@catfood4142]

@@zERTY1337 wave management applies on supp as well, supp can easily tank or shove out for adc due to shield heal and aoe they have, most of the times adc don’t have any, and the most of the most…. You literally don’t have to trade, 9/10 the low elo adc I played with all the way to and including diamond, does not want to trade

[@kaydegarde]

I like how this channel will have a clickbait title and then the video is actually educational and informative. Keep up the good work fellas.

[@wladynosz1565]

I agree

[@raaseraphic]

How's it clickbait if it shows exactly what the title says?

[@BrokenSupport]

Even tho I’m a wild rift player now, I played LoL for 7 years as a main support and this video is just A MASTER PIECE! I’m 100% sharing this with everyone what an amazing job!

[@ggundercover3681]

ehhhhh good to know it's broken approved.

[@zikryzaku5083]

No wonder your knowledge on WR is a professional like player. The experience on PC version really give us know what to do plus all the tilt and toxicness of PC is off chart rather than WR (by now, might be toxic with bigger playerbase lol) PS: Also played on WR by now and always watched ur awesome vids. Keep it up!

[@edward-w1k]

Support main here. Huge fan of your work in WR.

[@samcresswell518]

Brand constantly standing next to Jhin is also a massive mistake. It makes it super easy for Morgana to hit both of them with W and both Caitlyn and Morg have double the chance to land Q because they can aim it at both players. Its also easier to dodge Brand's Q and Jhin's W because they're coming from the same direction. If they stand in a parallel line, it makes it much harder for the enemy botlane to trade, especially if Brand keeps walking into the bushes.

[@sirhc1528]

But what the Lulu does at 8:30 will often result in a dead ADC in low elo. Because the Lucian is now alone on the lane against 2 and dies there somehow. He then start flaming the Lulu, no matter if she assists with 2 Kills. You now have a midlaner and jungler with +1 kill but also a flaming/raging ADC and free farming enemy botlane.

[@YuYuYuna_]

I'm assuming you meant the nami as it's nami lucian vs lulu aphelios. Let's say the lulu stays with aphelios, they have zero ability to pressure lucian under tower and no realistic kill threat other than if aphelios has purple gun for the Q root and even then lucian has E dash. What you have to do in low elo in situations like this is spam your danger ping on top of your ADC a few times (2-3) and then ping where you are looking to pressure/gank. Not always will they listen but in low elo you need to brainwash your teammates with your pings and so when you are going to ping your intent/decision you need to ping it multiple times to basically act as an alarm to your team because one of the biggest mistakes I see low elo supports make is not ping what they're trying to do and never ping their ADC back. If you are afraid of them flaming you: disable both /all chat and team chat in settings, you don't need them. You'll find through experimenting and trying this way out that in the majority of your games your ADC WILL listen and back away or play safe and your team WILL be more serious about the play you're trying to set up/help out with and not just the typical low elo fumbling that happens often when you try to go for a gank but your mid wastes their stun/cc, etc.

[@dreamsunfinished9512]

what the other guy said

[@danielhungerford5480]

Those likes must be from other low elo support players. Theres no reason to go bot in that situation because Lulu / Aph has no kill pressure in the bot lane since they already lost a kill. We know the enemy jungle is on top side of the map because we saw them. The best play is to walk mid, let your AD free farm and gain solo XP and assist your other laners. Support players need to learn how to be the second jungler and assist their jungler. Theres too many examples of hard winning bot but not being able to do anything with it because solo lanes / jungle gets too far ahead on the enemy team.

[@sirhc1528]

@@danielhungerford5480Like I said. even with no kill pressure, the ADC does not know how to play 1vs2. Some even start to complain when you, as support even leave the lane and while writing they get somehow killled. I dont know if the low elo ADCs got better, but a few season ago you could not leave your ADC alone for 2 min. Trust me, I had no problem to be a roaming support in high platin low Dia, but when I picked it on a smurf to play with a friend (who did not play ADC) then it was impossible to have the same impact.

[@skylarc8859]

@@sirhc1528 adc's are still the same in low elo, even if u ping them, write them and ward for them to be safe when you roam they still run deep in to enemy side of lane and die xD 80% of the time u get these adc's

[@lucykitsune4619]

My ADCs think I am joking when I's telling them I will jump in literally the frame I hit level 2. I am not. I play Leona in an elo/mmr where peoples reaction to the enemy Leona hitting Level 2 before you is to walk up and try to kill minions before Leona jumps on them.

[@xuan.1611]

My i hope my leona jumps on the enemy on lvl2

[@YuYuYuna_]

I mean I wish every leona/naut/blitz had your proactive attitude about level 2 plays and taking advantage of them. Every one of them that I get as my support I have to spam ping "on the way" to even have a chance a them walking past where I'm standing and try to make an aggressive play on lvl 2 while we have the level advantage. Even then it works about half the time. When I start hitting the 2nd melee creep on the 2nd wave I start walking up as I auto and again about half the time my support is still standing behind me and behind our ranged creeps. (This is in Gold 1/plat 4 elo games) You would think that maining support and playing champs like leona/naut/blitz/pyke/thresh that those players would understand the insane value and importance of taking advantage of and fighting for level 2.

[@wallachia4797]

If you can hit lvl 2 that is. Couple days ago I had a Nilah player (champ that gives XP btw) which didn't get me lvl 2 until minute 6 (yes, he was that trash) I sat forward so he could hit minions (he didn't) - I get poked almost to death, so I stay back - now he gets poked too. We hit lvl 2 at minute 6, at which point we get dived under the tower by the enemy jg, die, and I get flamed for the rest of the game. Some ADCs have literally ZERO accountability for their actions. Imagine your only win condition with me on your lane is for you to get me lvl2, at which point I princess carry your lane and you cant even do THAT.

[@X33Ultras0und]

This isn't an excuse, but in low elo, some people don't actually know what their, or other champions do. It's like that jhin didn't know Morgana even has a Q that can root effect, I've seen and been in many examples where my support who has two potions, and bonus HP regen with their support item is hiding behind me the adc as to not get hit by Lux's or Morgana's Q. That Nami roamed when she did because she knew that every one of her allies know what their and her champion does.

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

Once I met an Akshan that didn't know that the Braum passive stacks could be applied by his attacks, which made it impossible to coordinate our attacks as he never followed up the trades I opened, even when I repeated throughout the whole game how my passive worked and how he could take advantage of it, at least on the late game he figured it out.

[@X33Ultras0und]

@@ThyFloorestFloor This is what I mean. Especially since the meta has it where characters like braum aren't popular, even if they have amazing strong synergies, it's not utilised at all, resulting in braum looking like the weaker, more useless champion. As he can't be as effective as Akshan when solo.

[@ThyFloorestFloor]

@@X33Ultras0und Yeah... That's why being a support in SoloQ is basically an invitation to leave the game permanently, because nobody there knows how to play along the team and take advantage of the synergies of each one, and in the supports case, we're the most affected by this mindset, since we don't have as much carry potential as other roles, and we rely upon our teammates.

[@naginiriddle7091]

Oof. This. That's why in champ select for low elos, there is never any synergy. If you see someone pick a Zyra, maybe pick a champ that synergizes with her. I have been in so many teams that just don't have any synergy

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@naginiriddle7091 Well you can also, you know, type to your team and ask what your ADC is likely to play. It goes both ways. You can't just blame your team for not picking champs that are good with Zyra if you don't do your part and at least TRY to find out what they're going to play. Not always will they answer but that's not an excuse to not try.

[@AlbertStone92]

1 player in gold/plat that knows macro can't "easily climb" as you guys says in all videos. The whole team must want to win and make good decisions. While you macro your team is inting on enemy jungle with numbers disavantage.

[@BrianSkyVG]

I disagree with this. I wasn't never a good mechanic player, but I've always reach Diamond and even Master in S8 with just macro. I use to fail my skillshots too, but I act as a leader for my team while I'm playing jungle or support. So, it's true, you can climb only knowing macrogame.

[@AlbertStone92]

@@BrianSkyVG I have a friend really good in macro, he's support main and he cant get platinum for for 3 straight seasons with more than 400 games played (on season). I only farm to gold with 100 games or less each season, just to get reward. Maybe I could get higher but I don't have time to play a lot and my friends dont like ranked.

[@giborg0856]

@@BrianSkyVG it´s true that you can guide players, but thnig is if they actualy listen to you. Most of people in plat and below don´t listen to you at least from my experience, but that of course depends on a region. i am from europe so i had quite a lot of hate because i want to actualy help from macro perspective

[@YuYuYuna_]

@@AlbertStone92 I doubt your friend is as good macro wise as you say he is if he is playing support and can't get platinum with 400+ games played and 3 seasons in. Support is largely a decision making and leadership role. If you understand when to roam, how to ping and to ping every decision you make and ping A LOT when you do, you can climb just on game knowledge and map awareness alone.

[@lordmango6060]

Dang, the explanation of the Nami roam is really gonna help me. I think I can apply this is Wild Rift too

[@drb4074]

This is also a perfect example of why it is that GM smurfs just cruise to easy wins in low-mid elos. They know advantages and what to do with them. So they see them, react correctly, make the right play, and stomp. Meanwhile, the lower-elo opponents don't understand most of what's going on there, and it all seems like black magic to them. Bad players don't know how much they don't know. I like to also compare this video's concept to what we see in professional sports. Often times, moves and plays are made even though the opponent will counter them. It's called "asking questions of the defence", and you do it because you are forcing the opponent to respond correctly. That puts pressure on them, and sometimes they respond incorrectly thereby giving you an opportunity. You have to do it even though a good opponent will respond well 99% of the time. It's the understanding of this process that's important to getting good.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

Yeahh but GM smurfs can't carry a Bronze/Silver game as an enchanter support, lol. It's impossible with each game being a Top+Jg+Mid diff (plus ADC having no game knowledge, whether they're good OR bad).

[@LeViIain]

​@@nomoretwitterhandles A GM smurf can't have a 70% win rate with an enchanter in low elo but they can manage to get a consistent 56-60% winrate which will eventually get them in high elo if they grind enough games. Someone who climbs with Master Yi will eventually hit a wall at some point because better players will know how to deal with a Yi. For the enchanter player, whether you're in bronze or challenger, there's pretty much no counterplay to a point and click shield or heal. You're either there to shield your ally, or you're not. And since you can only carry through your teammates, this means you need to be at the right place at the right time almost everytime. (Good macros basically) Truth is you will never actually carry as an enchanter, but you're never gonna be as useless as a 1/10 adc either. So in order to climb, you need consistency, you need to become a strong foundation for your teammaates in order to increase the odds of them ending up making successful plays. So it's almost as if it gets easier the more you climb as an enchanter, and as a carry, it gets harder the more you climb. I don't know how to explain it properly, it's like if you were to get out of gold with an enchanter, your odds of climbing up to diamond would be higher than if you got out of gold playing a carry. Because the enchanter depends way more on his team to perform, so even tho climbing is hard, you get better teammates as you climb which increases your influence over a game and makes some of it easier. Whereas playing as a carry, it's mostly your own performance that matters, and the more you climb the better your opponent becomes. Lathyrus, (A bard otp who got rank 1 in the EUW ladder) made an unranked to challenger climb a couple months ago and he said that the games where getting easier as he got out of gold/plat going into diamond. He was already challenger level but it's a good example to illustrate my point. Bard isn't much of an enchanter but you still need your team to properly react to the plays you are making, otherwise, nothing happens. I hope that made sense, my point being that you can climb with enchanters at any level, it's just a different type of climb, aimed towards consistency, patience, and grinding. And once you're good enough to make it out of elo hell as an enchanter, it's like the hardest part is done. That being said, if you don't constantly evolve as a player and you're like a gold level support stuck in silver, you probably will stay stuck silver. And I think that's the reason why it feels like it's impossible to climb as an enchanter for so many people. Because it is true, if you suck and aren't really trying to improve, you will be stuck or even go down. Sorry about the overly long, 6 months late reply, I just had to say it.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

@@LeViIain Nah no worries, you were very nice and respectful and I greatly appreciate your input. I personally do not have the patience to enchanter my way out of the "hell" part of climbing, lol. I'm gonna give it another shot at the start of next season, because I noticed it was way easier to climb while everyone was tryharding early vs. how people are playing now. All the hardstuck feeders get filtered into my games and goddamn it makes ranked a shitfest. I find it so wild that Sona has such a high WR across all elos, yet every time I pick her for a PERFECT matchup, I get feeding top laners, racist junglers, and weenie-ADCs, bringing my steller Sona gaming down to a 20% WR, no matter how well I play. I could do my all to try and carry only to get nowhere because she's a damn enchanter. Anyways, as I said, I appreciate the input, that does make me feel a little better. Thank you for being nice. I hope you have a good week :)

[@xqt6339]

"You can get to challenger with average mechanics" -Someone in Challenger (Probably) But seriously, I'd love to see a challenger player coach an iron player to even Master with the mindset of "average mechanics is good enough"

[@haraldtopfer5732]

I don't want to discredit the guide, but "average xy" is probably the biggest illusion professionals are under (this applies to many fields, not just computer games).

[@YuYuYuna_]

I mean you may find it hard to believe but it is true. You can climb to high elo (masters and above) just on having strong decision making, ability to track the enemy jungler, strong wave management, etc. None of these things are mechanical, they're all purely knowledge based things that you can replicate every single game if you practice them hard enough. There's a phrase that goes "Work SMARTER, not harder" and it rings true in league as well. Low elo players think you need to be a mechnical god on the level of Faker to climb to higher elos when in reality mechanics aren't nearly as valuable as low elo players think they are. Now that's not saying having good mechanics won't help you in your climb, they absolutely will, but you don't NEED them to climb. Having strong game knowledge and understanding can make you climb.

[@tseliteiv]

I just started playing league this year and every single guide I've listened to says climbing to challenger is all about "macro" not "micro". Especially for certain positions like support. Yet, ironically, there's hardly any guides that teach "macro" besides the most basic of ideas. I'd love to see a challenger player take an iron/bronze/silver player and make them a challenger player by coaching their macro play, then document the whole thing and release it.

[@julietvrphotography]

​@@tseliteiv me me i volunteer 😂

[@DavidBrocekArt]

All of this is very interesting in theory, but I can guarantee that in 2:40, if the Draven was silver he would say "omg, why didnt you hook him noob?" So it's not only you knowing the game, you also need to rely on your ADC knowing what you are doing.

[@pietoeat9750]

In the first 2 comparison, I wished that you'd recognize that brand team leashed for the jungle (that's why they got to lane late), while thresh didn't which allowed him to get to lane early and secure. That slight difference can tell if the enemy has enough time to position properly.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

It's not about leashing; it's about getting to lane first (which he did). Utilize any and all advantages.

[@pietoeat9750]

@@nomoretwitterhandles leashing determines If you get to lane first or if both you and the enemy get to lane at the same time. Thresh team didn't leash thus they automatically had an advantage whereas brand team did, so they had to approach the situation differently. This means that the analysis isn't comparing the same event, and not mentioning that comes off as disingenuous. He is faulting low elo for not doing something that anyone at any level couldn't do if they leashed, which is be at thresh position at that time.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

@@pietoeat9750 I did forget that the Brand didn't get there early, so my bad. However, he could still take bush control or help push the wave, because the enemy Morgana wasn't helping her Caitlyn push or take bush control. They are 100% comparable except for the part about getting to lane early.

[@pietoeat9750]

@@nomoretwitterhandles I never said the whole situation wasn't comparable, I moreso was asking for that small little difference to be noticed. Outside of that I think the video was really nice! I especially loved that he mentioned that the losing team knew how to respect the winning team to minimize loses.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

@@pietoeat9750 Fair enough, and thank you for clarifying. It's good input.

[@westenev]

Is this lesson applicable for low ELO? I mean, sure, the Brand COULD have been more of a threat... but what if Morg hit a lucky bind (especially dangerous since your ADC is really far back, and you'd have to over-extend to trade)? What if the Brand was encountering connection issues (common with brand players, I think?). It's a bit more dangerous than two enchanters tickling each other in the bushes, as far as matchups go...

[@zachariz1490]

Enchanters have really good poke actually. Their damage is surprisingly high in early game. Honestly it's all about adapting. Your adc is not there? Don't go for trades. You have a good engage? Go for it if you think you can kill even with your adc being behind you

[@annasagiakou2768]

This is so funny, last time I had a connection issue I was playing Brand. Dude's cursed

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

@@zachariz1490 Only a few enchanters, actually. They can still get out-traded by any ADC easily. Of course, some enchanters have great damage poke (like Soraka or Sona when she has an empowered auto), but overall they do just about as much damage as any other non-mage support.

[@YuYuYuna_]

No one "hits a lucky bind" it's a game of dodging skill shots. That's league and bot lane in a nutshell. Dodging thresh hook, leona E, lux Q, pyke Q, naut Q, etc. There is no "luck" behind it, either you read their movement and dodge or you don't. In matchups like this, it is Morg's Q vs brand's poke, that is what wins the lane. Whoever can land their abilities and read the enemy movement better will win the lane for their ADC. If you can't dodge skill shots as support then don't play support or bot lane for that matter. The majority of bot lane is dodging abilities and gaining wave control while those abilities are on Cooldown. If you are locking in poke mage supports and afraid to walk up then you need to stop playing them. Your job as support is to try and get your ADC ahead of the enemy ADC. That can be achieved through lane pressure, good ward usage, understanding of JG pathing, smart pings, etc. If you are locking in brand and sitting the entire lane full HP and full mana you are griefing your ADC. The entire reason you pick poke mages bot is to do exactly that -- Poke the enemy ADC/support. Yes it is dangerous if you don't dodge the Morg Q but that's an unavoidable part of bot lane. You NEED to be able to dodge skill shots and avoid damage otherwise you WILL struggle a lot as support because support's agency in the game is at its highest in the early game and weakest in the late game. If you are not willing to work on dodging skill shots and abusing those abilities being on CD then playing support is not the role for you.

[@westenev]

@@YuYuYuna_ Just calling it how I see it in that particular gamestate. The Brand's adc is too far back, so you're essentially asking him to 1v2 the lane while his adc plays farming simulator while idly wondering what's for dinner.

[@surumeman7195]

in the real low elo like below silver, you need an ability to know how bad your adc is and just ditch him for the entire laning phase. One time I got my autofill adc 5 kills and he proceeded to int the lead away. Soon as I realize my ad is autofill, I'll just gank jungler/midlaner or even toplaner becausd it's more important that human being is fed. Plus, if you roam like crazy they'll start matching your roam, and botlane becomes farmville, which stabilize the autofill. Idk about plat + but this was how I got out of silver-low gold.

[@YuYuYuna_]

Im not saying there arent games like this in silver/gold (because there certainly is) but in the majority of your games if you are saying "fuck my adc, im never coming back bot" and literally leaving lane for the entire laning phase, you are griefing not only your ADC but your team. Even with the most dog shit ADCs you can 1v2 lane as support and especially so in this silver/low gold elo range you mentioned. I've climbed from silver to plat on a new account (main is plat ADC) as support. In the majority of your games it will not matter how bad they are. Yes you will lose some games, but if you literally abandon your ADC for the entire laning phase you are coinflipping that the enemy mid/jg and bot duo don't force them off tower or dive them.

[@miki_mochi]

But in the first example, if Cait and Morg had stood forward and pressured them off then it would have been more difficult to get a kill. Could it be worth it if they're just standing there and not actually contesting the wave to just let them stand there if you know you'll get level 2 first so you can immediately punish when you do? Or is it always correct to zone them off completely?

[@gamethrones3690]

Do you mean that if cait/morg stand back then it makes the lane longer? The problem is cait/morg didn’t even think about hitting level 2 first in advance. You can tell by the way they push up only when they hit level 2 and the threat is clear. Also, if a botlane is standing ‘back’ then they likely don’t have the push advantage and won’t hit level 2 first. Botlanes should contest the wave and zone the opposing botlane if they can.

[@gamethrones3690]

It may seem like it was good cait/morg stood back because jhin was farther up and they got a kill, but that’s hindsight analysis. You shouldn’t play as if the enemy team will just run it down. Since cait/morg were far back, they only got a kill off of sheer luck and mistakes. Had cait/morg been farther up, they would have more control over getting a kill rather than hoping the opponent would make a mistake.

[@miki_mochi]

@@gamethrones3690 I was seeing it more as lulling them into a false sense of security. If you stand forward, they are scared and back up. But if you play slightly back (not too far back though), it makes them feel confident to stand further forward. If they are being ding dongs and not hitting the wave anyway, could you use this to your advantage to instantly go in at level 2? Or is it always more advantageous to position aggressively, even if it means they will go under tower where a kill isn't possible when they weren't even contesting the wave in the first place?

[@gamethrones3690]

@@miki_mochi technically, yes you could bait your opponent but that gives them the power to lose rather than you the power to win. If you want to climb you should practice controlling the game rather than depending on mistakes which you have little control over. If the opponent were to be lulled and you know you would hit level 2 first this would indeed be the optimal play. Again, this puts the control into the opponent's hands. If you are smurfing in low elo this would be good. If you want to be consistent, then take the small cs advantage and wave control by positioning aggressively. If the opponent backs off from aggressive positioning, then they would likely also back off from sudden passive to aggressive positioning along with level 2.

[@YuYuYuna_]

You want to start moving at the enemy bot lane once you're hitting the 2nd melee of the 2nd wave almost always. It will provoke 1 of 2 responses: They will either try to trade with you not realizing you're about to get lvl 2 first, or they will back away and respect your lvl 2 advantage. If they trade and don't respect your lvl 2 then you all in and likely will get a kill or at the very least blow multiple summoner spells of the enemy bot lane. If they back away and DO respect your lvl 2 then what you do is zone them off the wave and last hit until the 3rd wave (cannon wave) arrives and then you fast push the cannon wave so it crashes in time and then you have the option of either going for a "cheater recall" basically a free recall where you won't lose any minions, or you stay and only last hit while you let the wave naturally push out. What this does is set you up perfectly to have the wave closer to your tower after the bounce so that if the enemy jungle paths bot side they can't punish you for having the wave extended out further in the lane.

[@-kanseikings-kats235]

This brand is looking more like a bronze than a plat, I wasn't expecting that much from an plat but I'm pretty sure they are better than that and the challenger thresh could kill on lvl2 if he wasn't that far away from aphe (must be tired or a master but a chall wouldn't let that)

[@loafofbread9400]

Thats cause anything below d4 is the same rank, people stuck below plat arent real people

[@TheBlessedMx]

yeah, im plat sadly, and every brand i encounter is agressive, not... this... at least they try to poke as soon as they see you

[@Javy_Chand]

@@loafofbread9400 That's like saying "filthy casual" Not everyone is playing 24/7 improving mechanically on their gameplay on training tool you know. Most of the playerbase below plat are casuals/not so sweaty

[@loafofbread9400]

@@Javy_Chand its a stratergy game, you dont have to practice 24/7 you just use your head, have friends played since middle school and cant escape gold, otherhand friend with 0 moba experience got to p4 after a few weeks Soon as someone builds correctly, flashes, camps, freezes whatever strat you can think of theyre sweaty Watch the way people play low elo, they twiddle their thumbs and then blame everything but themselves and get angry, constatnly losing and grayscreened, never dealing damage or never winning lane, thats fun? No improving and outplaying or just doing well is fun

[@wanderingthewastes6159]

Loaf of Bread so you're saying that 80% of League's player base aren't real people? That's actually fairly in line with reality XD

[@Chogy1]

1:23 i mean idk why u didnt cover this but its a cait morgana and they could have easily gotten a very big chunk on brand IF they were sitting in mid bush since red team were not in lane before minions came

[@inkromancer_studios]

As someone hard stuck in iron I appreciate the insight, but it's as you said at 5:20 There are way more kills in low elo. The best supports where I'm stuck at are pyke, vel'koz and lux, not because she can support, but because she can kill. As someone who wants to play genuine support characters I can't seem to get anywhere simply because my opponents can kill and I cannot. Do you have any advice to help me out with this? Because this video doesn't really seem to apply to where I'm at. How do I trade an advantage when the opponent can press 1 button and force me out of lane?

[@laffi]

Earlier this year, when I was more motivated to do better, things felt much easier, and I did good enough to get where I wanted to be. Nowadays, I feel that no matter what I do, there will always be someone dying a lot, to the point where the enemy team gets a huge advantage. In most scenarios where this happends the jungler will try to help and die just as much, not gain enough cs, and give the enemy team more advantage...well or simply ignore that lane for the rest of the game. I think as a support I have the thought on how to win the game, but the biggest issue is getting the team to work together. The better mood I am in the easier it is to convince them to listen, and win games more often. Lately I haven't been in the motivational speech / leader mood, so I'm just someone on the team, that talks...and maybe not even what I should be talking about either. Decision making and priorities might be different than in the period I was motivated to win more. I have tried to play with a friend (adc) that is actually good when he wants to, but he's got some problems I can't really understand. As a "decent" support I am trying to do as said in this video...try to keep it up all the time, trying to hurt the enemy team. One day my friend would only farm, and not auto attack even once through the entire laning phase. He didn't really reply to that when I told him. His other problem is that he wants to be the best on the team, every single time...but now in kills or participation...but gold. So basically the tldr version is that my friend had almost 200 cs in 30 minutes, but he had not joined a single team fight a single time in that particular match. He ended up with 2 kills, and I think I had 6 or something. Basically what I am trying to say is that as a support it's hard to lane with someone that doesn't share the common interest in how to defeat the enemy team. Eventually I have to leave him, because he completly refuses to move from bot lane, and it gets boring fast. Also it's like stalemate. He is so careful with his farming that he doesn't die very much either, but eventually there are two ways. Either he can now duo kill someone or die ALOT of times. Speaking about taking kills. I've often seen that I have gone full out, and the enemy have like 100 HP each (running to their tower), then seeing my friend hanging back still farming. He isn't bad if he does what he is supposed to do, but he doesn't. His games are either 3-4 losses or 3-4 wins in a row. My own problem with being a support is that people feeding in for example top lane, jungler actually not coming to any lanes at all (or helping his duo buddy wherever he is), or simply people that I lane with (the adc) that is not taking any oportunities I throw at him, and it ends up us getting ganked by the enemy jungler. This makes me get a bit frustrated and the focus really goes down. Heck. I try to be everywere, but it often seems that I will just die, because my own team choose to continue farming, not helping, even if there is some enemy really low just next to them. It's kinda sucky to set up things, and not having them follow, but the worst part is being a tank, going in and then experiencing that you were 3-4 when you entered that fight, only to see they are long gone. Again! Yes, I understand...my decision was bad...but when it happends 10 times in the same time, is it really me doing a bad decision or are my team just clueless cowards? The best feeling in League of Legends is when you find someone you really work well with. Having 10-11 games won in a row simply because you have something that works is really nice. Ofc that person might be better than yourself, but if I am good enough to come up with something that works, it clearly help my friend that carries. Motivation feels a bit low lately, and the game was more fun at the start of the season. Breaks doesn't really work that well either. Just a few games per day, but still not feels a bit shitty.

[@51551blaze]

This video: “We’re going to use platinum players as our low ELO examples.” Me: *Cries in bronze*

[@nivrrtakr2891]

High elo actually starts in diamond 1 -a grandmaster player that I watch

[@YuYuYuna_]

I wouldn't cry that much. The one brightside of starting in bronze is that the things you need to do to improve are significantly easier than what it takes to go from, say gold to plat or plat to diamond, etc. Basically the higher up you go the harder it is to improve (which should be obvious).

[@narashi2744]

Something that a lot of people doesn't understand in aram is that the team does not need 5 damage dealers, the support role is a massive win card as your supports keep you healthy, immobilize the enemy for you and gives you a great advantage over the enemy team so you can secure more multi kills without dying

[@Yo-ru8ch]

Notice that high elo player doesnt help jungler, does it depends on what the champion jungler uses?

[@Yvetr]

No matter how good or bad you are. This game is cursed.. and as a regular player you can't solo the game anymore.. in low elo there are 2 options: you got massive luck and got lots of normal mates in your games and climb hard or you (like most of us) got trolls, bots whatever and be stuck - I experienced both options in solo Q ^^ My advice is don't play only for climbing it only get's frustrating..play because you like the game no matter you're climbing or not. :)

[@mattreggie4481]

Judging by your attitude, you must be hardstuck in Iron 4. Am I right?

[@ASCENDANTGAMERSAGE]

I can relate to the arthitis. I recently had a bout of it and it was the worst three weeks of my life. I hope you can find something that helps repair your hands if you can. I have horrible fine motor skills without pain, so decisions are the only place I can reasonably grind as well. :)

[@MelfiortheOne]

Based on this guide I’m a good support and I’m still stuck in G4. Feels like I’m always dependent on what kind of players I get in my team. Win easily if the teammates focus on the game and don’t flame each other, lose when the opposite. Seems like I’m powerless. I often get S when losing the game and that sucks even more

[@csabaszombati]

For the commentaries: This video is not just about roaming. Though you can write to your adc to play safe until you gcome back to bot. Also there is a mention about resource management, and abusing opportunities.

[@sibusisolanga2393]

Fam... is that a Quinn jungle?

[@LastGamerName]

10:06 Was this an IRL clip or acting lol

[@dimitriasimov2140]

People don’t really understand what a big difference a good support or a bad support can make in a game. A support that know how to ward (especially WHERE to ward) and automatically adapt to the ADC is a hidden gem. If the adc knows how to hold himself and the support also roams, you basically have one extra jungler. And that platinum game is just a sad example, it’s pretty clear they are not mains on the bot lane (or if that’s platinum bot lane in NA I can understand). Being gifted with a good support as an adc is amazing, as long as you know how to take advantage of your support.

[@jexd9281]

i was main mid, and i always get tilted when supports did’nt ward or roam, so i just started playing suicide karthus support and i climbing a lot

[@celesteartley905]

I'm a dimond support player and came away thinking there are more times when I can roam mid or make my wards more valuable after a winning engage in my lane. That' s neat, keep up the good videos

[@IndikativPraesens]

I feel like I can understand better the differences between mid elo and challenger, but what is the actual difference between somethign like silver and diamond or even silver and platinum? What are the things very low elo players need to focus on the most if they don't see themselves climb to challenger but instead only want to improve to maybe diamond? You keep hearing challenger players complain about diamond, what would they say about bronze, silver or gold?

[@riverofstyx2319]

Im currently a gold 2 player, and I actually tried this tips in my recent games but eventually got trashtalked and flamed by my teammates because I was not in the botlane after we recalled, when in fact my adc ran it down and gave the enemy adc a free kill. It's just hard to climb with these teammates who can't appreciate and think the same as you.

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

That's why you have to play carry supports, mute your team (or just your adc), steal their kills, and win the game yourself. Supports don't matter in low elo. Not because supports are bad, but because our teams are bad. Our teams do not appreciate what us support mains do to help us win as a team. That's why I gave up on Sona (who has over 50% WR in all ranks, and is my main) and started spamming Lux support. I got sick of losing due to their lack of awareness.

[@Bassist4Life123]

Once ur teammate/s start talking shit i suggest u mute em/him. Usually if their first response to a bad play is to type how bad team is (being ur fault or not) is usually a sign he is tilted or a tilter. I personally dont write bad things in chat at all, just if some1 runs it down over and over again so i think no1 should either cuz its not really helpful. Just do what you know is right and take responsibility. Dont feel pressured by ur team. Im a supp who got d2 last season and thats 1 thing that helped judge more clearly

[@Unholyspirit]

showed this to my silver friend! thanks a lot!

[@tiamelancholyjeoncockity]

That fcking brand sums up about 94% of the supports I had when playing bot lane 💀 they usually don’t play actual supp because they want to steal your kills and only care about themselves surviving(support is usually the safe option since they don’t play alone and their abilities have at least some sort of cc and heal/shield). That’s kinda how low elo be like anyway, they just want kills 🗿

[@GoodNewsJim]

Thankfully I made the mistake of not picking up guitar and training to go pro video gamer since 1980. I still crush in my 40s. Sorry about forced piano. Do you make good castlevania like music tho? I'm making a game to take out Symphony of the Night in 2024, and need solid goth style music.

[@Echteryon]

As a support player who climbs with Soraka :) recently d2 with 61% wr, I understand people who say bad adcs wont cooperate with high elo macro, which is true, that is still in your consideration is a bad adc who cries worth babysitting? go mute and play for win condition! If you dont have anyone as win condition then just focus on getting gold lead overall, help secure dragons, barons, ping your teammates to go back or attack, try to bait, try to catch, go for shotcalling, and this all still can result in a defeat, but hey, even pros dont win every game - league is designed to take up your time :) but improving is still important!

[@The4Tifier]

MFW I do a lot of what Challengers already do and I’m climbing Bronze… Well, I still have a lot to improve upon since I’m still in ELO hell, but it’s good to see that I’ll be on my way to higher ranks in no time the more I learn; especially thanks to videos like this one!

[@nomoretwitterhandles]

Yep, I'm in the exact same boat. It's hard to climb as a support main when every game is a team diff. It's like low elo Top/Junglers don't want to win. Anyways, good luck to you on your climb!! Let's both reach high elo this season!

[@rubenasandwich2842]

I play shaco support and basically I make sure we have time to do what we need by placing boxes at the entrance and exit of our lane. Making it so that if we get ganked we'll see them first. Also using my clone when I need to create space

[@rjungquist1978]

This was an informative video. Excellent work.

[@Critsil]

In platinum player's defense, that bot lane was waaaay too bad, even for plat. Brand was literally afk, it did look like a lower elo game

[@duranburnett]

Yeah I dont believe this was actual plat players and supp mains. They play like bots.

[@YuYuYuna_]

Yeah, I mean I'm not going to say he's lying but the movement of both the brand and the jhin look like they're bronze at best. Brand and Jhin in both cases watch morg walk into the bush and don't even try to wiggle juke to bait the Q. In Jhin's case he actually walks TOWARDS the bush he sees morg walk into. Basically asking to be binded.

[@Shadaez]

thanks im new to mobas and never thought about taking spacen stuff, but those are all things i think about in shooters

[@Riael]

3:14 oh god this hurts I've had a shaco support match recently, by 1:56 I was fighting the enemy jungler in a 1v1 preventing him from taking his frog, while my adc was just sitting afk at turret, didn't get a single minion nor exp. While he's flaming me about 1v1ing the jungler our jungle is taking his second red buff and we end up winning the game easily. Even after winning the game while being 1/9, the adc was still trying to blame me XD

[@aaronweiss3294]

Wait, in a draven+thresh lane you have really high kill pressure and you are stronger, as jhin brand it's not necessarily as strong of a lane. Personally as a jinx main I'd much prefer my support not antagonize the enemy if they're willing to make it a farm lane

[@boomknight1015]

The only time the support should be behind the adc is either when low or when there is a treat of a hook. Other wise bush just makes it harder to get hit with skill shots as well as land them with out taking a ton of agro.

[@boomknight1015]

Morg does have a powerful Q but dodging it in bush is much more powerful then getting hit for afking and then the adc punishing

[@henryviii267]

4:20 that’s Hikaru Appearing on a KZbin channel called “coffee and chess” or something like that. It’s wholesome content. For context, it would be like derek Jeter going to a little league game to play with the players.

[@SIMIFU]

...the hell? That is the most passive brand I have ever seen. The point of picking him is to BE aggressive. This feels like a weird example comparison

[@YuYuYuna_]

It really isn't a weird comparison though. This is what you actually get in Gold/Plat. At least in my games you do. Currently I'm playing in Gold 1/Plat 4 games and it's at best 2/10 brands that I get that actually walk up and try to poke in lane. The majority of them play backline even vs shit like yuumi cait. Hell I've even gotten Nautilus players in matchups that should be insanely unplayable for the enemy bot like Tristana Naut vs Jhin Yuumi and the nautilus is afraid to ever take brush control or pressure them off the wave and look for hooks. Low elo support pool is like sticking your hand into a box and having the chance of either getting a pile of shit that somehow is actually a real human being or you get someone who is over performing and actually busts their ass for you in lane.

[@samuelschneider5975]

Thanks for the vid!

[@rahsan1509]

Not that LoL players would know but if you’ve ever been in a fight and not the soft ass wild swings kind the same things apply abt managing distance and small mind games while also not wasting resources

[@anibananii8818]

I play ADC a lot and if my support leaves me early after a recall I dont know what to do. I'm one person against the 2 other people. I try to play safe but the lane gets pressured. I remember I was left alone as Jinx near my tower. My support roamed and the two enemies rushed my tower and I was left completely In danger. Then Warwick came from the other side of my tower cuz the minions reached our tower and there was no protection for me. I died of course and yes i was upset at my support at that moment. I was completely in danger

[@NLmaureen1]

im a support main bronze 1 witch i know is very low elo. I have plat and emerald friends who help me. but when i play ranked solo i feel like i have 4 team mates who i can't help so i can't improve myself then get demonded to bronze 2 then back to 1 and all over again. so i don't know how to fix that so i can imrpove myself

[@nyeledj4183]

I'm playing as a support at the most of the time. If I'm playing with a premade ADC, I can freely do my thing, but even when I say to him, not to do any stupid things, my friend does something stupid, and even my low elo teammates can't deal with my higher elo tactics. It's really hard to be a good sup when you have to adapt to your teammates stupid things. I'm always getting A+ or S-, and i'm always strong at the end of the game, and i can even help my ADC to get fed, but sometimes the other lanes are just can't hold themselves and we lose the game, because the midlane dies 15 times in 20 minutes. It's really hard to climb to higher elos, when you are unlucky with your teammates. Sometimes the support can make the biggest difference when it comes to the teamfights, I can engage the enemy or heal my teammates, but everyone should aprove, there is no room to blame the support for everything in a case where you lose, most of the support suffer bc his/her team just can't do anything in a right way.

[@ΓιώργοςΓραμματικόγιαννης-ξ9γ]

Im silver and at one time i left my lane after we won the flight bot and told my adc to play safe so that i could gang mid and top (they were behind). And he said wtf come bot what are u saying? In the end i was able to give advantage to both lanes and still return bot.

[@Spicy007]

In very low Elo (this video is comparing plat and challenger) you need to play supports that have the potential to put on the carry role if the ADC is trash. I like Senna, she can easily be shifted into a hyper carry role in the mid to late game. In plat and above, you can play the Thresh and you'd expect your adc has some kind of intelligence (not always)

[@emilieanneverhaegen]

Also very often in very low elo the support plays very passive, hoping the adc will win the lane, thinking they will climb by just afk'ing in lane, not realizing the importance of their role (especially in the early game when the adc has almost no agency)

[@ogbc7775]

and if the adc is a bad adc and doesnt follow up on the pressure you apply as sup and you end up getting picked in the first minutes of the game? what do you do when they dont have situational awareness?

[@lionelpil8707]

In low elo as a support if you leave the lane after 3 minutes to roam you get instant reported by the adc, then he ints and says it's your fault because you left him 1v2

[@Nichi31]

Bro i Subscribed im trying to main support and this pop up in my recommended videos ty for tips and tricks im trying main karma support thanks again

[@stevend7906]

Sorry but i am a platinum player, jgl/supp main. i play a lot of brand support and from the start its just obvious this guy doesn't play brand/support. imo a bad example of a plat game

[@mr.mc.doesntexist7693]

Trueeee even silver brand players know how to play better than that guy...

[@zamuda90]

this is na you gotta convert it to euros

[@joakimeltocho5312]

it doesn't matter, he's there to prove a point

[@stevend7906]

@@joakimeltocho5312 if he's there to prove a point is does matter, because as i said i think its a bad example

[@joakimeltocho5312]

@@stevend7906 it doesn't bc what you should be doing is understanding good player behavior compared to bad player behavior, and you understood perfectly, it served it's purpose

[@tovarichtartartartaglia4380]

I'm a support player and most adc I meet never let me use my main, they want only lulu or Leona. Tbh Lulu is my worst support and I totally can't play her well no matter how much i try but I tell them ik really bad at lulu but no one care and spam take lulu and take lulu - if i don't take they blame me for take "bad" support same as if I take her they blame me for feed. When I play Leona my adc sleep and never come when I initiate fight or simply run away (I'm not jumping to fight every time I can I do it when I see adc is "ready" and close me). When I finally have chance to play my main (it's sona, her mana don't exist in early and heal cd is really long) I tell them to play safe for few min but most of them ignore and be super agressive and die 🙃 I use all I can to save them but even with less than half hp they don't retreat and keep fighting until die - of course after it they blame me. After all this time of playing I can tell one thing (it's just MY opinion made on MY experience) vayne, Kai sa and caitlyn players are most toxic to supps and talk shit no matter their supp is good or bad (just because they jump 1v2 thinking they are superman and even if their supp came save them, as I said before, they keep fighting until die). But vayne is worst of them, I have never meet not toxic vayne Player and when I see adc take her I want f***ing suicide before game start 🙃

[@meganbarnes1391]

Me, confused how brand is plat and how plat is being considered low elo

[@Crowned_Hearts]

Soooo I am a challenger support in bronze? I dont play ranked cause its just way too stressful but I dont think I am close to diamond. Anyways here's a tip: there are 3 level advantages you should be wary about. level 2, level 3, and level 6. your opponent will have an extra ability that you dont and it will most likely be the deciding factor on wether you win or lose a 1 v 1 or a 2 v 2 in the bot lane. There have been so many times when my ADC wanted to engage when we were behind on level, I refuse, they engage by themselves, gets fucking killed obviously, and I either die trying to save them or just stay back and watch them die, and then it becomes a support diff...

[@eev14]

I play best when I play with people that are normally around plat, we do everything right, we win easily because we all understand our roles, how much time/space/pressure we have.. But in low elo as a support your adc is likely going to chase unnecessarily, won't know when to freeze, push or recall or even just passively farm without ever attempting an engage or blame you when he dies after doing something reckless. Really most of all there is just no playing with people that don't communicate, using discord or another kind of voicechat is kind or necessary so soloing as a support and trying to climb ranks is just begging for your LP to tank. Also in this season most junglers are focused more around top and mid which means that even if you set everything up perfectly to get the drake your jungler is likely just gonna pick fights in top jungle instead. Then comes that moment that even if you and your adc are ahead in farm/kills/vision control you're gonna lag behind when your jungler does not show up for the third drake in a row. Your mid or toplaner has likely fed the shit out of their enemy laner (or the enemy jungler) so at that point fed enemies start showing up in botlane and you either tower hug and make your team mad or you try to help out other lanes and make your team mad because fighting the fed as fuck enemy yone crashing into your lane is unlikely to work out well. Just supporting in low elo means you're a babysitter.. and mom (your jungler) comes home too late and possibly drunk. It's kinda sad to watch the Lucian and Nami example as a Nami main that's currently in Bronze but doing exactly the type of plays shown in the video. In low elo you just never know what kind of teammates you're gonna be paired with and THAT is the real issue. Therefor I only play duo nowadays because I need someone with a similarly aware and aggressive playstyle by my side. Watching these videos just makes me more bummed about being in low elo because I realize that my plays on my main champions are entirely up to par with high elo, there's just so many straight up trolls or completely unaware random teammates you get matched with that ruin your matches.

[@badvezzz9405]

8:48 ofc it's Agurin. Widely recognized as 1 of the worst jg's you can get in ur soloq chall games.

[@dylanschulz9118]

To the tempo advanteag thing where Nami went to the herald fight: I have done this a lot in low ELO, and you often get an advantage for jungle! but it is totally not worth it because your ADC will tilt from you not being there 80+ % of the time

[@luciarebussone2962]

I could only think about those times when i tried to roam and my teammates would ping me to leave just bx they didnt want the kill stolen from them like,,, man you could've got forst tower but you do you

[@billys5150]

I used to play PC Leauge with my brother as sona, just winging it. Now I just play wild rift, and do some homework on how to be a good support. I'm digging Nami and Lux so far, when we need a tank I play as thresh - not a good thresh, but sometimes trying your goddamn hardest is the best you can do but some people don't understand that

[@Kitalula]

How are your wrists nowadays? I had to take a break from League because my wrist pain was getting bad.

[@tachitakai6214]

It's funny because in low Elo people don't even look at their maps, as a support I have more vison score then the whole other team together and it makes little different as teammates are so hyper focused on their own champions.

[@muratcanyarasr2118]

Whenever I pick tresh I feel so weak , I cant do crazy stuff with him and when it is not good tresh always loses to other supports . Maybe I dont have the talent for it but for some reason tresh doesnt feel as strong as it used to be before the durability patch

[@amandabcful]

I am a gold player, and these days I tried to play more aggressively like this nami, I was a soraka, and I was against a jinx and a lulu, i arrived early in the lane bc they helped their jungle, then I used my q to punish jinx and and lulu could do nothing bc she started with q, I didn't let jinx farm, she took every single q I landed on her, and she had to go base at lvl 2 with 8 minions, at 15 min, she quited game bc she couldn't even stay in lane, and jhin was able to kill her a couple of times

[@dangit_red2202]

I feel like I learned so much from this, great video!

[@kikiyuz]

I was literally Lux and my duo ditched me and the 2 ppl we're with their jungler master yi, Caitlyn and Jinx what was I supposed to do

[@SeraphPatrick]

Imo supports should have to play minesweeper/tetris minigames since they just sit around usually.

[@poppinpillow]

Sometimes, I'm tempted to play yuumi on a new account and see how fast I can hit gold while playing 2 games at once 😂

[@leonardoospino3497]

I can tell you whose the better support by the vision score at the end of the game

[@naginiriddle7091]

Unfortunately even that doesn't really indicate anything. I normally get great vision scores for my elo, but it doesn't mean we win. I won't say I am a really good supp (I still have things to learn), but even with my vision score that I am actually proud of, it doesn't stop your team from doing dumb things. Like legit have had junglers decide to go 1v5 in enemy jungle on purpose. Vision revealed all 5 enemy there and the jg just straight up runs right in without even judging where the rest of us are. I hate my elo so much

[@jamie-dempsey]

Me smashing my keyboard is the most relatable thing in this video

[@owo4470]

we could also say that brand had a all in advantage, as he has significantly more damage than cait and morgana

[@SlothEden]

This is mainly the reason why I play champs that can 1v2 as support (tahm, Sylas, brand, etc.) Just in case my adc is trying this challenge where he turns off his brain and monitor simultaneously, I can still do something with the rest of the team

[@sasuke65743]

I'm missing the part when i can effectively survive 3 pokes without exploding, when my adc sleeps/is brain dead and when i'm in losing matchup 8 games on 10 preventing me to even pressure them OR to casually checking brushes safely when they are MIA.

[@anubhabdas2118]

does japanese import make other lol content? I am mechanically challenged for different reasons but wold be interested which macro only hamps he reccomends as I am a jungle main too

[@soccerdude9784]

This is a well made resource, thank you.

[@cinnamonroll3244]

I'm bronze 4 but for some reason I was described as a challenger support, I always hide on the bush and poke them as taliyah supp

[@glyfadaresorts8087]

As a new player can someone please explain me why pushing the wave is considering an advantage as that makes you more vulnerable to ganks??

[@polon901]

Time to recall and take the returning wave of minions

[@christopherpaan]

Also, if you push your minion wave into their turret, the opponent has lower chances/less opportunity to get CS and gold

[@deadmanwalking6709]

I'm supp main , I've been playing Soraka lately I have 85% winrate with her but the problem is my team , they play way to passively, most of them don't know that they should protect me to heal them and win the fight , literally if I go in a fight with them I make them win it and carry them , but even though I'm actually carrying them , they take credit and start saying I'm so good and in the end I didn't do anything , there was a game where my adc and Talon jg were idiots and fed but managed somehow to blame me , I also played a game where I was adc ( I mostly play supp but occasionally play adc/mid if I feel like it , these are 3 lanes that I mostly main ) and my supp was Soraka , first he learned q I told him about it and he told me wtf you don't know Soraka , I told him I main her , he told me you bad main her or whatever (he had broken English) then I died when he didn't even use his q and then when he got w he didn't heal me ,he didn't use e later when he should , doesn't know how to ult , bad items and whatever and the whole team flamed me when I literally have above 200 farm and could 1 vs 1 jhin as Caitlyn but he had naut and he was good ( good naut players are freaking cancer man ) and they all flamed me lol even my jg was like 1 10 or something and he flamed me , my score wasn't too bad too it was like 10/11 or whatever ( but I could've had better of they didn't nerf adc to freaking much this season and had better team ) anyways sorry for my rant the point is this is a good video but you can't apply them with a team like this honestly

[@egigunawan1830]

I look thres play seem like my play style, but I'm just Gold III,and never forget put ward on bush riverside when wave is pushing

[@ixccrombooex6489]

Bro Dont give this Brand as an example he is on an Ultra Low ELO

[@giorgiobassili]

Is it normal that a JG becomes SUP or backwards? Like "fuq the line, I like to roam and ambush" those are my two favourite role

[@sipthepepsi]

I know it's one instant of very short footages for plat plays. But were they NA? Because at EUW that's honestly not even how Silver would play.

[@bensosnowski1128]

Holy crap, I did not realize how insane Lux damage is. She is basically a long ranged assassin. Killed jinx in less than 2 seconds

[@wzt9376]

I suspect the brand was having some irl shit going on or got his acc hacked.