How to: Manually Pick Up a Bore or a Hole with an Indicator - Haas Automation Tip of the Day

[@kentvandervelden]

Argh, how about a warning of graphical content next time? 2:38 :)

[@haasautomation]

We like the idea Kent, thanks! Sorry to give you a scare. Rest easy, the tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@BrianMDPhD]

Kent VanderVelden Right!? What horror!

[@lankysapien3032]

Or a trigger warning or something. I'm having nightmares tonight!

[@madswinebbq]

Kent VanderVelden In real life there is no warning when you crash! Just shame and everyone gathering around saying "what happened?". 🤣🤣🤣

[@thiagocruzy]

cringe worthy yikes!

[@chadkrause6574]

That crash almost made a grown man cry

[@Iceberg86300]

Chad Krause seriously! Oddly I was just poking around long island indicator today and saw that my compac is now up to just shy of $300. I would have been bawling if that was in the machine!!!!

[@haasautomation]

Sorry to cause you grief Chad! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@muellermaxwell]

i yelled in agony! haha

[@hansmeyer7520]

Nice Video !

[@4DIYers]

Lol, glad I wasn't the only one feeling that. My heart just dropped when I saw that!

[@madswinebbq]

I actually appreciate that you gave no warning to the crash because in real life Machining when you crash there is no warning!!

[@rdhingrausic]

Ruben Alvarez ghhh

[@Ztalin]

@@highstreetkillers4377 if you're not crashing you're not working Hard enough.

[@TheWireEDM]

There is one warning. It's the voice that in your head says "naaah, not gonna check, it's probably fine"

[@manicmotox4214]

@@Ztalin or maybe......you work hard enough, and your just a safety Susan 😄........I'm sure that's a thing, I'm sure of it! Lol

[@Ztalin]

@@manicmotox4214 whats the fun in that?!

[@raymendez2127]

That crash made me jump! Goodness, that really hurts!

[@haasautomation]

Sorry to give you a scare Ray! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@andresjim6490]

Haha me too jump :D

[@TheSMPeto32]

TIP (for newbies): Initially centering the point of the indicator can be relatively complicated if the holding arm is at all offset and/or the indicator is twisted. It's rarely as quick as the video makes it seem, hence the reason he says, "Now, if this takes a little bit of time..." In my experience it's not worth the time and can be a total pain! Instead and before using your indicator, put something round into your chuck (preferably with a point) to locate the hole by eye. Personally I use a 3/8" drill blank, with a 45 degree point ground onto the end, but anything will work (chamfer tool, dowel pin, etc.).. Will get you VERY close before indicating, trust me!

[@KARLOS121]

I would use a spiral pointed tap in my drill chuck, works great. Nicer point than a drill

[@TheSMPeto32]

@@KARLOS121 a drill blank is just a rod with no flutes, etc...

[@indubitably424]

I'm about a month in as machinist ( all manual). I have been relying heavily on using an edge finder to locate because I can never get my indicator tip to line up on center and then rotate around a small diameter like a 3/8 pin. This sounds like what I need to try. Thank you.

[@johnvine5731]

My heart actually jumped when the indicator got destroyed!

[@user-tc2ky6fg2o]

It really did hurt at the crash. First in stomach then the pain went up to my heart. My brain did not work.

[@fattyinger]

Almost crap myself when you broke that indicator :))))))

[@haasautomation]

Sorry to give you a scare! The tool used in the video was an already-broken indicator from Mark's private stash, which allowed us to illustrate the point without damaging a working indicator.

[@fattyinger]

Just you know how you react when you broke a tool... I literally felt like that :)))

[@haasautomation]

Hey everyone! A viewer just showed me a magnetic edge finder tool that helps you indicate the edge or corner of a part easily, even if the block is at a funny angle. These are terrific, I need one for my toolbox! Check them out and never stop learning! -Mark, Haas Tip of the Day www.swissprec.com/cgi/ISSRIT2?pmaka=98-337-9&pmctlg=01%26%2365533%3B www.jtsmach.com/jtswebshop/Measuring/PM482.asp

[@julianlopez9123]

Haas Automation, Inc. How do I utilize the magnetic edge finder?

[@jimszabo1239]

If your talking about the Machinist Chair? The company ampg.com is the manufactor of them.. check their page out as they have alot of unique goodies. I found another indicator holder like the stick one that alot of the guys with interapids use. It is made by pmir.com locally to me here in Cleveland,Ohio.. A older gentleman who ran boring mills came up with it. He has them in 1/2", and 3/8" shank. He wants about $50.00 For either one. I bought both. I add the links or take them out to make for a shorty or long length for the tasks I need. Best part is it is more stought and can hold the import indicators and Interapids for almost any regular task

[@luckyphelps8711]

I would add setting the spindle to a low RPM prior to attaching your indicator. "S100 M3" has never shot my indicator across the room. Accidentally starting one at 1500 or so is instant death. When I was just starting out the shop I worked at bought us all new mititoyo indicators. My boss, one of the owners, started the spindle and before he would even say "oh sh. " My indi was scattered. I still have the body. And the indicol is still in use damn near daily. Good series though.

[@Nerwik]

Damn the 2:38 moment made my heart rate skip.. Jesus..

[@climber6477]

2:38 almost gave me a heart attack when I saw that indicator get destroyed.

[@Moncriefs]

i dont know shit about machining but i sat and watched this entire video for some reason

[@shilimkarnv1]

Broken indicator, Very hard to see this. I have seen this part of video 3-4 times in slow motion

[@deepfryguy2013]

I actually gasped at 2:40. Gave me a heart attack.

[@arabiccola]

Happy New Year! and to that indicator that was crushed in the making of this video, it was well worth it!

[@RC-Flight]

Holly crappers that indicator crash send a shudder of discomfort right down my body! Brutal and traumatic, man I’m going to have PTSD syndrome. I can feel the night sweats now.

[@MegaJohnhammond]

I like the tip about always moving plus first. This is what I've always done. It's impossible to teach people the importance of doing this, of course every idiot with 2 years experience think they're a master machinist. Then, sooner or later they'll crash a probe or an indicator. Then the light goes on.

[@luckyphelps8711]

Z plus 6 or 12 inches depending on z travel is the very first move on any tool when I program. An x or y movement with your junk hanging down is embarrassing and often costly. Also, MDI S100 M3 before you mount an indicator to your spindle. Your indicator and your wallet will thank you

[@kylek9188]

How to you call it a specific location on the Haas control? (ex. x2.5 on a mori you would go to g54 workoffset type in location x2.5 and hit measure) ?

[@arunpools]

My heart skipped a beat when the indicator crashed!

[@spkrman15]

Loved the cracked mirror. Great video guys. It is because of these videos i bought a Haas.

[@haasautomation]

That's great to hear Rob. We hope these videos are helping machinists and shop owners around the world with the problems they run into every day. And when they help prospective owners decide that a Haas might be their best machine tool choice, that's a great result as well.

[@Max_Marz]

Jesus a little warning before the graphic footage my god.

[@tj9382]

I love these tip of the day vids, keep up the good work guys 👍

[@BartZudell]

I don't have a Haas but this was EXACTLY what I was looking for. No hype just good info. THANKS!

[@AnOminous1]

Gonna join the, "How the heck can you just crash the machine like that!" squad. I don't care that it was a broken indicator. Nearly gave me a heart attack. And I'm just an engineer who machines occasionally. I figure the 'real' guys took years off of their lives...

[@luckyphelps8711]

I have played this game for forty plus years. When you are on unfamiliar equipment or in a new shop and are a little nervous, those things happen. But yeah, I flinched. Another safe move is to set the spindle to a slow RPM. I have lost 2 indicators and watched my boss kill one ( that was a gift from the company he was part owner of) by accidentally starting a spindle the was set to a high rpm. S100 M3 is now the first thing I do when I go to sweep anything. And my indicator isn't so scared anymore either. Have fun. Be safe

[@dylanshackelford7425]

Literally at lunch watching this because I am struggling doing it for first time. I have no idea why this difficult. It looks super straight forward but for some reason it is really hard to get it down.

[@Wat-Dat]

The method shown in this video is by far the most frustrating and difficult way to pick up a hole. I suggest you use a basic edge finder, split your X, then do the same thing on Y. This will get you centered within a half a thou. Then use this method to fine tune it. Or buy yourself a cheap coaxial indicator, it will be the most useful tool you ever buy and save you half of your setup time. I got one on ebay for $80 and it gets me within a quarter thou of center. If you need more precision, then you can indicate it like the video shows afterwards.

[@luckyphelps8711]

I personally, and I have been doing this for four decades, get my indi down to a sixteenth or so above the hole and get the ball close to even on all four edges before I drop into the hole. With in a sixty fourth or twenty thou. Then it's spin it and do the math. It may help to think of it as "short of the zero, or past the zero" to help make the adjustments. I also always MDI S100 M3 so that if I accidentally start the spindle, my indicator doesn't fly across the room

[@machinist7230]

I've found that if .001 is good enough for location, a Blake Co-Ax is the fastest way to find the hole. If you need better accuracy, then switching to a tenth reading indicator will do nicely.

[@Wat-Dat]

This man speaks the truth. My coaxial indicator is the most useful tool in my box. And only $80 on ebay for a cheap one.

[@proventure307]

Mr. Mark you are better than my chef in the factory.. i better learn from you.

[@wground3130]

I broke Renishaw thus, as shown in the 07:42 minute. DDD well, that only the probe and not the entire measuring holder. Pretty good advice, especially for beginners

[@SpencerWebb]

I think you guys should do several Haas TOTD segments at and with NYC CNC (John Saunders), entitled "Tips for brand new Haas owners". I think it would really work well, and pull in many prospects for new machines. You're welcome. :-) -S (...a happy TL-1 owner)

[@mfrtech3857]

I jumped out of my skin when the indicator crashed... phew !

[@mikhailmalamud9867]

This is a great video. This method can also be used for testing probe accuracy by comparing center located with dial indicator and center located with probe.

[@bikramthakulla8136]

Yes

[@danield4871]

I remember when I had problems with this, never thought I’d ever get it. Now it takes me seconds. Lol 😂

[@markterryberry4477]

That is so very true. Same thing with making a vise straight.

[@ThePointlessBox_]

that indicator crash tore out a piece of my soul holy shit

[@paolo4285]

Hi, thank you for another explanation important things for machinist. I have a question: what is the brand of horizontal indicator with black dial? I'm trying to find out one which has center of the shank lined up with center of the tip. It is hard to find one. Most of the Mitutoyo has tip off center na could be destroyed while rotating inside the hole or when touching the edge of material. I will be appreciated.

[@markterryberry4477]

This is a TESA Brown and Sharpe BesTest indicator. I've really liked mine for this configuration.

[@paolo4285]

@@markterryberry4477 thank you very much!

[@thiagocruzy]

Just learnt a years worth of information in 7 minutes. Love love love this channel

[@spezkay81]

Thiago Cruz a year? What? Where did u learn to machine? I learned all this my first week.

[@David-hm9ic]

Your videos ROCK. I have no expectation of ever running CNC machines because virtually everything I do is a one-off. The benefit is that the basic challenges between manual and CNC machining are identical. Every successful project starts with a good reference point and that is, IMO, one of the Haas Automation video strengths.

[@aadavthermocraft936]

I have a small doubt here, what if the needle changes it values along the circumference, but the reading at all the quadrants is zero ? Does that means the bore is a bit oval? Please clarify this. I have been watching your videos regularly and it has helped me a lot in my shop.

[@haasautomation]

Aadav - Yes. It is possible the hole is not perfectly round. In that case we just center things the best we can. When holes must be perfectly round, we usually go with a boring bar, with a single insert. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@dragonflyfab8982]

Mark, you are brutal! Not even a moment of silence for the dead indicator!

[@harwentrejo7727]

Good explanations. Good job.

[@timmallard5360]

I pooped myself too but the saw the black dial face and knew it was a cheapo-depo. Really like the tip to eyeball the center line at the beginning. The indicator never lies and will save you sanity of the probe is on the fritz.

[@ydna]

look again, that was a Brown and Sharpe Besttest!

[@timmallard5360]

Andrew Ydna DuBuc Ill be dammed your right! I guess Hass needed to create an accurate simulation i guess. Then again a Chinese knock off isn't even even aloud in the parking lot at Hass

[@yalgret]

@@highstreetkillers4377 what's best in your opinion, Mazak?

[@RajKumar-qi4qi]

I'm was really scared in the indicator broken .

[@BecksArmory]

Dang! I didn't realize you were going to smash that indicator just for video purposes. hahaha No messing around here... :)

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[@snoozebutton]

Just did this at my work today and i felt really bad ass

[@craigburton665]

thank you Mark, and Haas Automatons for the very helpful tip of the day videos. I watch every chance I get.

[@theboynextblock2634]

Момент со сломом индикатора - реально стрёмный

[@erikcline2826]

Awesome Video! I don't know why I even went through an apprenticeship when I could have just watched these videos. One thing to note though is that, with a lot of indicators, changing the travel direction causes a difference in readings. Play I guess. This really only counts in super close tolerance work, but it's still good to know.

[@haasautomation]

Erik - Thanks for the comment. If you have any suggestions for new TOD videos, send them our way, [e-mail]. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@Metaldetectiontubeworldwide]

Archief that ondicator breacking , it literaly Hurted me , an the small sidenote in the corner of screen , pure genius ! ..lol Gtrs from the Netherlands Johny geerts Grts from the netherlands

[@chrischalabi]

Great video! Can you do one on the basics of a probe and how to use it? Thanks, -Chris

[@tonypeng7829]

That looks great, I really like it.

[@martinhough1664]

What products or methods do you use to keep your table and covers so clean? I have a newish machine that is quickly building up stains on the table top.

[@haasautomation]

Martin - Staining is usually just a visual problem (doesn’t affect table), but I will go ahead and scrub the table with a Maroon Scotch Brite pad, treated lightly with a Castrol Rustilo rust-preventative, or even WD-40, if we need the table pretty for a video. - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@luckyphelps8711]

A teach your people that cleanliness is next to Godliness. When you have a five year old table without any "oh sh t" tracks, it becomes personal to keep it that way. Be safe, have fun

[@steveb936]

@6:13 what does he say, I cant understand him, sound like, "I really klike palywith, this is a 3/8s sensor" ? Thanks

[@Momentshowpro]

Can we do a tip of the day on how to keep your glasses from fogging up while wearing a mask?

[@markterryberry4477]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/r5eYgo2Yf8x2e6c

[@charrontheboatman]

HI all and Happy New Year! These CNC Videos are of great help to me even though I am not yet proficient enough of a machinist to be working in CNC Thanks for keeping up with the simple stuff!

[@davidbutler9014]

I just got my first coax indicator and it is the best indicator of any type that I have ever used.

[@jackflash6377]

The more of these tips I watch, the happier I am with my purchase of my HAAS mill & lathe.

[@Flyanb]

Why does HAAS leave the .1 button. NOBODY uses this for anything. If the motion stopped the instant the hand wheel stopped moving regardless of how many clicks on the dial, maybe. I have trashed many probe stylii because I accidentally pushed that fucker. The button should at least be gated so you know without looking it was pressed. Or maybe a different beep and a light flash something.

[@TonyD-dz8pt]

at least he has the best indicator made, an INTERAPID!, the smash, the indicator was probably junk anyway, those Brown and sharps are, you have not seen anything till you have seen somebody put a 1 1/2 inch end mill into the mill table, or smash a CNC tapping head, seen that and that and is not all

[@ZenieMonty]

That crash turned my stomach, warning would of been nice.

[@rickys845]

This dudes a legend so greatful for every upload makes things so simple

[@cliffordernest7825]

Mark is straight savage. Just killing an indicator to make a point.

[@MikeTimokhin]

This is the best explanation so far on youtube. I've watched many. You guys rock!

[@ishankelkar4347]

man my heartbeat paused seeing that dial indicator tip snap.. even if it wasnt working... have experienced this once on our robot tool.. its really bad to see a working tool end like that.

[@yianni3251]

Thank you so much for these videos Haas! Love Mark!

[@cwhuffman01]

These tips are handy for me, as both of our Haas mills at school do not have Probes. Thanks!

[@haasautomation]

You're welcome Christopher! Thanks for the comment!

[@Gabrielde2ori]

DAAAAMN, my soul broke along with that indicator tool, that's an operator's nightmare

[@trebushett2079]

I know Hass machines are vertical, but I wouldn't like to use any of the DTI setups used here with a horizontal spindle machine!

[@nasaeagle]

That indicator crashing was a jumpscare. Laying down in bed watching this and jumped 😂.

[@stjohnsriverrat7161]

Excellent video, Simple and straight forward.

[@TheHalloweenmasks]

Is there a name for the DTI stand that you use in this video? I need one of these.

[@luckyphelps8711]

Another tip. Before ya got your hundred and fifty dollar indicator in the spindle, run "S100M3" to prevent an accidental spindle start from flinging your indicator across the room. Don't sit there and think it can't happen. True story. I worked at a shop in Fremont CA. We had a good year. Ownership bought us all mititoyo indicators. My boss, one if the owners, accidentally started the spindle which was set pretty fast and shot my two month old indicator across the shop. I was new so I just quietly said damn. He bought a new one, but the lesson is, if the spindle doesn't go fast, it can't fling your tool.

[@gensam1380]

You could use your phone selfie camera instead of mirror. 🤫....If you boss is not there...

[@jimszabo1239]

On the long stem Mitutoyo 513 series indicator. Get the swivel stem attachment for it. It is the best investment

[@jackswegel7422]

why do we get scared when we see a machine crashing even knowing that we are not controlling it?is it something personal or we just get aware of it?

[@denismorend3884]

Hello, put in G54 annd G55 two differentzeros to make the same piece in different reference points, I did it a while ago in Dewoo 4020 vertical machining center, and I used a Pycock tracer, I see that you use the Z+ for anything the encoder is in a mayor advance , the concentration is paramount and avoid being distracted by third parties, excellent quality of work, naw in another company Iam in charge of center HAAS VF6/50., very good machine, congratulation. Best regards Denis Morend.

[@armandoivanzamorabravo3190]

The crash make my heart pump faster😂

[@princeparihar9386]

😂

[@mechmotion]

Fantastic video. One tip on the Co-Axis indicator. They sometimes will not read on center due to run out in the holder, so it's a good idea to double check them against a typical indicator. I've got a few non working indicators if you need them for future videos. :-p

[@MaquinerosCNC]

you are awesome! thanks for all the videos

[@volkankandemir5108]

Thanks for sharing.

[@90fordb2]

This is a very informative video for someone that is new to the trade, it's pretty much everything I would tell a new person in the milling dept, except I don't smash indicators on purpose. It is good to show what happens though for someone who has never experienced that happening. It's not pretty.

[@jarisipilainen3875]

2:43 that will never happen on metric machines lol. machine move 0.1 mm each step. unless you give good spin and let it roll. this never happen. you allways turn dial not spin it lol. if 1 click is 1 inch then LOL yes that happen. why HAAS need move that fast on manual. LOL some wrong?

[@haasautomation]

Jari Sipilainen - That is funny, I hadn’t thought of that. Yes, the machine doesn’t move as far, with each click, in Metric Mode, moving .001/.01/.1/1mm per click instead of .0001/.001/.01/.1”, so less than half the speed/distance depending on which increment we choose. We often turn Setting 163 “DIABLE .1 JOG RATE” on, at schools, to avoid students jogging too fast. Thanks for the comment. Interesting! - Mark, Haas Tip-of-the-day

[@braydonlane9758]

Why do you use the G55 work offsets and not the G54? Also, my friends and I haven't used the machine in a while and we accidentally part zero set the z-axis and I was just wondering what would happen if you did that and how to fix it if anything does happen.

[@markterryberry4477]

Hi Braydon, check out kzbin.info/www/bejne/q3_Nfnx_h9mnfKc . There is a lot of good info in the comments section of that video as well.

[@kevinking5406]

I spit my coffee when that indicator cra$hed. Good video. Learned to indicate with a coaxial. Never used a vertical for picking up a hole. (Yes I am ashamed)

[@scottlog220]

i felt that indicator banging on the top of that part.

[@emoralesdie]

hi. I don't speak English, and I think that, HASS have a bi market un latinamerica, maybe you can produce this videos in spanish or subtitled. I would like understand Very well. regards.

[@haasautomation]

Hi Efraim. Most of our videos have translated subtitles. Some videos have many languages, so you may have to scroll down to see the whole list.

[@khotsokeyho5525]

how about jogging an exact size drill bit into the hole instead of a dial indicator......lol.

[@bazookamoose7224]

Too bad you didn’t show how to roll a square edge with a normal indicator. This is the #1 thing we have to show newbies how to do. Good explanation for easy hole finding! ;)

[@jeffo9147]

Seeing that indicator crash kinda made my butt pucker up a bit...lol

[@BradyT918]

Had to laugh when you said "point oh one". That there is one of the hardest things to get into your head, to say point zero(0) one not oh(O) one. When writing a program manually if you say can think it correctly it makes it that much easier to write it.

[@RinksRides]

Crash was very graphic! UGH! That just made a pit in my gut. Like though because your not a sellout like NYCNC.

[@MrKevmeister68]

I don’t get it. I must be missing something. If you only eyeball the tip of the indicator whilst spinning it, how does the concentricity of the tip to the spindle get established? Or doesn’t it matter because even if not perfectly centred the “centre offset” will be consistent for both sides of the hole?

[@markterryberry4477]

We just eyeball it to save a little bit of time before we start using the actual indicator itself to measure things, to find how far off-center things are. If we are too far off when we start (6mm etc.), then the indicator won't make contact properly.

[@rykkuuu]

does anyone know the name of the arm extension he using for the vertical indicator?

[@marvindamartian1969]

Here's a good one for the apprentice get him to set up a job with one of those cheap electronic edge finders (you know the one with the led) on non conductive material.

[@MsiP43t]

Or just mill 2 clean surfaceses on the blank material in X and Y and meassure it. when you turn the part around you can get your 0 from this points

[@69deleteSystem32]

good thing we have separate jog handwheel for this kind of stuff

[@clemenceronald]

OMD! That indicator crash made me jump off my chair!! Nice video as usual minus the crash of course =))

[@captainchippie4454]

That crash at 2:39 made me jump. I looked away for a few seconds just before it happened and all of a sudden I heard it and was like... O.O

[@j.thirumalaimech7430]

That is the great video some help ful And how to set down dial centre orgin

[@travelerexplore1994]

Nice video any vacancy this field job Very urgent need a job

[@jarisipilainen3875]

4:27 if you setup your needle largest angle you can get it fit inside hole you get cosini error and your needle move more than real measure is SO it will come more acurate lol. you measure difference