How to OPTIMIZE your finesse in modern tetris

[@darkimoo7996]

The tip: "Don't triple rotate" Me: *Rotating 3 times then messes up and rotates one extra time. Then does triple rotate again*

[@Akatsuki-21]

Literally me when T spinning

[@luisalexander8492]

Hahahaha

[@dmas7749]

me when trying guideline again in years after being too used to TGM:

[@zackbuildit88]

The number of times I've rotated 7 in a row is ridiculous

[@jeffandmark5373]

As a player that triple-rotates clockwise instead of rotating counterclockwise, this is pretty useful :)

[@jimppajamppa2563]

this is the same for me i know t spins have fast speed and everything but only use one way rotations

[@sTekSOo]

Same

[@tiki2tgt]

i do this with s/z spins lol

[@smooshymemes]

30% finesse gaming but damn this video is helpful

[@jimppajamppa2563]

4 months later I got a sub 40 sprint with 0 faults in Jstris.

[@dylanlhp]

I played tetris with poor finess for so many years... Thats so nice for you to include the link of practising finess. Thank you so much!!!

[@i6100i]

I’m so happy to see modern educational Tetris videos, keep doing it, nice!

[@Schtaron]

Its been 3 weeks since I watched this video and I have actually started focusing on my finesse. I have trained to have atleast an 80% finnese rate and I can say it really helps with not only keeping my brain focused more on actually trying to place pieces down, but also lessen the tension on my fingers whenever I try to play fast. When I first started I actually get cramps because of trying to play fast without knowing the proper way of doing so. Thanks Orz!

[@orztetris]

thats great to hear :)

[@chrischellekaterenacido5191]

So I've played Tetris Sprint for around 2 years, and all I did was keep playing the same way again and again without changing anything. I reached 57-59 seconds on good days and those times I was still using the upwards key to rotate everything. I learned recently to finally break out of my shell and use the z and x keys to rotate left and right. It took me a few days to get used to it but I altered my muscle memory. After that, I watched this video. It helped so much turning the sound on on every finesse fault in jstris!! Huge recommendations. The first time I played with it, my time went from 1:10 to 54 seconds, finally breaking my record in just a week of practice in comparison to the 2 years of playing again and again. Thank you!! I practiced more and got 2.5pps which is absolutely amazing, my finesse dropped to 60-70 in comparison to my old 100-120. What was amazing was that it was too easy to do, I didn't even practice on Tetresse yet and I've improved so much. tl;dr: Don't triple rotate and turn on the sound for finesse faults! It'll improve your game A LOT.

[@GreenishBlue30]

I've been able to freestyle my way down to 1:06 on a sprint, but I was really struggling with pushing myself to go any faster without misdrops. Finesse is literally the PERFECT solution for this! Learning the rotations off of the wall feels SO consistent and I'm sure once I have re-wired my brain to use them quickly, misdrops will be a significantly smaller stressor. Love the vid and the tools you give at the end

[@spoopy_noodle7510]

As someone who is a more experienced player who never practised finesse this is really helpful! I just started and really regret not practising it earlier on and tbh the struggle is real. Especially because finesse is super helpful when you play higher ranked games bcz then small mistakes and extra rotations can really waste time. So if there are any new players watching this I really recommend doing it earlier on if ranked or speed is important to you!

[@MrMalix]

As someone who has nearly mastered finesse, this is a great guide!

[@Schtaron]

Ayo, I love the quality of this video. Keep it up!

[@2a0z72]

Ive been avoiding learning finesse since i had it explained to me and this guide made it a lot less scary and it was explained very well so thank you for this lmao

[@person1082]

i’m glad i learned it a few days after getting into tetris and i never used the up arrow (but did triple rotate) it makes placing stuff so much easier (i’ve only been playing about a month for context) i’m at like 92%

[@CaboozledPie]

I love orz pt. 2

[@g_way]

I’ve gotten really good at tetris by myself, like .. “self-taught?” Lol. But I’ve hit a plateau in my improvement, so I’m swallowing my pride and dipping my toes into the online tetris community because everyone seems impossibly good at it. Now I’m angry I didn’t earlier because I have to rewire my muscle memory. 😔 I rotate the right way but I gotta relearn how I move the pieces - holding down the button instead of rapidly tapping is gonna be frustrating. Thanks for the video! I’m excited to put this knowledge to work lmfao

[@pleasecontactme4274]

Yeah there's SOOOO many good players it's confusing, and there's not a single top player explaining strats, you literally have to analyze top players to figure stuff

[@IamNOBODY026]

This guide is really helpful I rotate as soon as the pieces spawn in so I am trying to work on my DAS rotation

[@williamhu9567]

Thanks, man! I was so confused when I watched all them pros stacking with super high ppm. I thought they held the left/right keys for the exact right amound of time until the piece hovered over the correct spot. That's what I thought finesse was. Turns out I was wrong! The pros use 0 ARR. I didn't even realize they did the DAS-tapback thing until I slowmoed some top gameplay. Whups. I'll be working on this for sure!

[@FT029]

The jstris finesse modes are nice! Sometimes it's possible to double tap instead of das + tap in the opposite direction. My finesse is not great, but my movement has been so ingrained into my muscle memory that focusing on it makes me slower

[@pettanshrimpnazunasapostle1992]

Same for me,but eventually even my 'slow' 40L times became 10-15 seconds faster than my personal best was before i practised finesse

[@nintendaholic1]

Been a melee player for years and just got into tetris. I loved how he mentioned that and I was like oh shit there must be something to that!! tetris and melee are the only two games i have ever been compelled to grind.

[@Trisxd]

The maps linked in the description were incredibly useful for initially learning the key presses for each piece, but personally I found using reset on finesse fault crucial for me to begin engraining the muscle memory for it. Something about losing all your progress if I mess up really forced me to think harder, instead of tetresse giving me the answer when I do it wrongly without thinking

[@xitogun101]

Omg I used to play melee too. Still do from time to time but definitely been on the Tetris grind as of late. Great videos btw, Hope to see more!

[@jdmhexagon2584]

Well, if you learned this "pretty early, around the 1:30 sprint time", I guess I'm probably on schedule because I'm trying to break 1:20, lol. Great video pal

[@tubiek]

i nearly have a 36 and i still havent rly learned it ...

[@justins9722]

Great vid friend, as someone who used to produce videos I can see how much work you put into this. Keep it up! And as a new Tetris player, thank you so much!

[@Hack--rz1io]

I wonder how large the Tetris/melee overlap is

[@bigbunter]

Ive wondered the same thing. I love Melee and Tetris equally. The games give me a way to express my creativity and competitiveness. There's a lot of appeal to me.

[@Hack--rz1io]

@@bigbunter there's definitely something about them that creates a similar appeal, the quick thinking and speed are just so good

[@chaotickreg7024]

I enjoy Melee, Tekken, Tetris, Chess, and many other games for the reasons stated here. Some games just allow you to express some artistry and personal expression at high levels of play. A lot of games become "solved" in a way that restricts play, but this other kind of game opens up and forces creative solutions to a unique paradigm of problems. I'm sure there's a reason why things "feel like melee" and why our type of people are attracted to them.

[@sebastiandewolfe7849]

im one of them

[@williamhu9567]

@@chaotickreg7024 i like chess too, could you explain the chess comparison? The strategy and creative solution thing I get, but the physical mechanics I don't. It's only very fast-paced if it's blitz or online bullet, right?

[@user-ol1ep1yf8g]

Your narration sound like the counterpart of that classic psych2go voice over. Quite cool! edit: Thank you for this content. I appreciate your work. Thank you for advocating this.

[@khoa4289]

Thank you very much. The links in the description are very useful for training for finesse.

[@lanfear963]

A+ choice of background music.

[@cooltm2801]

I’ve realized recently that incredibly, there is even more to finesse than this! the next steps in order would probably be: DAS preservation: hold down left or right if you have a chain of pieces you all want to place on the same side of the board. Super DAS preservation: If the placement requires a double tap or das and tap back, you can hold down instead for the second tap to charge das if the next piece is going all the way to the side. This actually works for any placement with tap as the final movement I really had to think about this after seeing VinceHD’s 2.37 kpp 9-0 run and how that’s even possible even with smart stacking.

[@orztetris]

Thanks for bringing this up! I think DAS optimization is pretty interesting, but I didn't include it because it was a little beyond the scope of this video. It's arguably not super important in unlimited tuning games. I go over it a teensy bit in my 6-3 video. What you call a "super das preservation" is a technique called pipelining. More on all of the different das optimization techniques can be found on the harddrop page: harddrop.com/wiki/DAS_Optimization But, you've correctly identified that the two main ones are just regular das pres and pipelining. The other ones are a bit more niche. What can be really cool is that sometimes in tuning limit games it's better to forgo two step finesse so you can get a good pipeline (because das optimization in those games is really about skipping the das window rather than saving keypresses). If you want to see more really really technical das optimization, I definitely recommend watching some high level puyo puyo tetris sprints.

[@pleasecontactme4274]

I didn't understand the second one

[@Nico-mp7vt]

OMG IS THAT THE REAL ORZ I LOVE YOUJGASDF ASDI

[@gloomkeeperX]

You earned a new subscriber, amazing videos

[@binkb1nk]

After I started using ccw and 180 instead of triple spinning cw 2 weeks ago my finesse went from an average of 50% to 70%, I have to work on the other stuff but after barely holding my place at S- before I can now stand my ground there, looking back I’m impressed that I even managed to get to S- with triple rotate lmao

[@s.alam1n]

Finally a finesse tut, but I’ve already learned it all lol 😆

[@orztetris]

then recommend it to your friends who are just starting out 👉😎👉

[@s.alam1n]

@@orztetris I most definitely will, this is a great video

[@luccapoll2139]

@@orztetris #self promo

[@praj9596]

I mainly use tetrio as my main tetrio client and see and have adapted to my custom bindings. However, on other clients such as jstris, fourtris, and even tetresse my das and arr settings are completely different from what I have set in tetrio. Is there any way to accurately set your das and arr settings on clients other than tetrio which correspond and act/move the same way as if it was in tetrio?

[@bluenerds5097]

your voice is so soothing

[@asdfghjkl2261]

So envious reading all these commenters who got sub-40 without any knowledge of finesse... I barely made it to sub-60 before scrambling to learn it. Sitting on a 40.9 now and realizing that it's my visualization and lookahead that's holding me back more than my finesse, just feel like an idiot because I've played this game for so long to be so bad at it.

[@Imaiddd]

Definitely extremely underate channel extremely good edit and commentary I actually playing tetris for a while and i got sub 52 in tetrio but i use weird key bind that its the same as normal keybind that new player got but instead i bind rotate counter clockwise key to right- ctrl key and surprisingly it somehow making new player like me playing faster and easier to memorized but when i go to higher(rank in tetrio) and getting use to it it backfired since it like cap limits of using too much right hand to do many things so right now i try to practice finesse + using new keybind that improve efficiency its actually really hard like try play tetris all over again (except i have the eyes of viewing t-spin setup) :)

[@largeonion7598]

omg hi orz im a big fan

[@ploopy1000]

SUPER cool

[@ravensiIva]

Omg. I thought i had to learn something new bc i play a lot of tetris but i dont watch any tutorials. Surprising to see that i know how to do it, just didn't know it was called finesse. Cool.

[@pettanshrimpnazunasapostle1992]

Man thanks for this vid,me be trying to triple rotate n end up over rotating so i have to do another 3

[@fiyahh13]

Along with Tetresse, I found that Big Bang on Puyo Puyo Tetris 2 worked for me as a finesse trainer. I'd learn the finesse tips on Tetresse, then apply them to Big Bang, which I find is more fun to grind muscle memory on than Tetresse 😅. Really helpful video too!

[@gudetamwa]

Super cool, thanks pro

[@sebastiandewolfe7849]

i have a 32 second sprint and my finesse is still terrible, i cannot seem to grind finesse into my muscle memory at this point

[@Ravvylol]

Greatest explanation I watched and listen

[@김아무-b9s]

thanks to your video, now i have above 85% finesse!

[@phe2bulet]

Whats the website on 7:13 i want to use the to practice

[@楊子慕]

"Don't triple-rotate, I'm begging you" czsmall wants to know your location. Jokes aside, good vid!

[@Pineapple-hx9ty]

I can get 2.3pps but end up with around 100 finesse due to my hyper tapping vs precision that I tend to use as a crutch. learning finesse is absolutely the next step, instead of chugging to 3pps

[@nemilu]

I chug 3pps with about 100 finesse as well

[@pleasecontactme4274]

@@nemilu lol

[@JustBozen]

Is there a way to retry a piece (instead of the round) on tetrio or jstris

[@EnergiaRocket]

Wait you guys have ways to move a piece fully over to the edge in one key press? You have unlocked powers classic tetris players can only dream of!

[@pettanshrimpnazunasapostle1992]

u can still use das movement in classics like NES ,but the das movement itself becomes a barrier at higher level speeds which is why hyper tapping and rolling was made

[@soundinducedflow]

and thanks a lot for the practice maps

[@Tigerpow]

I am an S+ with a sub 39 second sprint time, and i still use triple tap... I really need to improve my finesse

[@kjl3080]

what video editor are you using? the transitions look like filmora

[@orztetris]

i edited the whole thing in after effects (a bad workflow, don’t really recommend lol) but nowadays I use resolve

[@kjl3080]

@@orztetris bruh what monster edits in after effects

[@rania414]

The persona 5 royal ost ✨

[@joaofernandes5254]

I barely got to sub 40 sprint time without even bothering to learn finesse but rn i felt like a hit a wall and trying to improve on this when u are so used to playing the wrong way is so frustrating, when u se yourself playing so slow feels like a nerf

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

It's funny because I've figured pretty much all of these things out just from watching people recently, I know it wasn't nearly as much of a thing back when I was playing a decade ago, at least not that I noticed; definitely makes playing faster easier (now I just wish my brain would stop being a potato so I could actually play the dang game again..)

[@raytsh]

Total Tetris beginner here (well, I played a bit as a kid, but who hasn't, right?!). I'm rotating 3 times all the time, lol. I should really work on this as soon as possible since I have not yet formed any habits (I hope). As a kid, I only ever used a single rotation direction.

[@Canyon_Lark]

should I incorporate 180 spins into my finesse

[@mcpolabearlow7026]

Bro more content please, your video really a lot~

[@andrew4042]

very pro

[@renansmartcel]

good content!

[@colinwood9717]

Do you have a good video / resource on how best to decide WHERE to place pieces?

[@orztetris]

that's basically the entire rest of the game 😔🤘 (assuming you're a beginner just trying to stack for tetrises here) but the basic idea is to place your pieces in a way that accommodates your upcoming pieces. Especially if you can't look at your previews that well, this basically means you should stack so you're ready for anything: avoid (or fix ASAP) "dependencies" which are patterns on the stack that can only be filled by certain pieces, and avoid creating large differences differences of height between parts of your stack. I wrote up some diagrams and stuff here if you want them: uc-coaching.herokuapp.com/response#stacking. The best exercise I've come up with to practice this fundamental stacking is "the eternal exercise" jstris.jezevec10.com/?play=9&mode=1699 which is basically just a restricted 40L sprint where you can only clear tetris and have a limited board height. You can also just do this in marathon / tetris.com if it's too hard. Really focus on avoiding those bad patterns above and fixing them ASAP with the appropriate pieces if you are forced to make them. This exercise will always be useful until you can do it really easily at basically your sprint speed. I have some ideas for fleshing this out more and making an even more robust form of the exercise, but I'll make a video if I ever do so sub sc riii be ha ha ha ha ha

[@colinwood9717]

@@orztetris awesome thanks! I'm "okay" at Tetris but I think not knowing how to stack efficiently is my biggest area for improvement. A video would be great!

[@nutluigi0621]

Does finesse improvement naturally happen overtime or do you have to force yourself to learn it

[@speechless1883]

it gets better to some degree. but to get perfect finesse gotta force urself to learn it

[@eleyondfarli]

Some placements are extremely counter-intuitive. Learning them is kinda mandatory, or you'll go by intuition and make errors.

[@defectived_vn]

How does the program DETECT finesse placement

[@nonnegative7063]

It remembers what keys did you press and compares it to optimal patterns of dropping blocks at position you've wanted

[@AlastairGames]

great, thanks!

[@melatonin1371]

played a version of Tetris that would restart my game for not finessing, I couldn't place 3 blocks lmao edit: Tetrio

[@judahkang275]

thanku for this!

[@bear_0311]

Fixing triple rotation at SS rank, now i cant even win against S-

[@lololololol1342]

I NEVER use the cw key unless when S spinning

[@Ibbys_space]

watching the newer player bit 6 years into modern tetris and having a crisis

[@wangshuping137]

Doesn't CZ triple rotate?

[@oboloptis3719]

good video.

[@timesbiology7192]

S and Z pieces​ really hard anyone have any trick?

[@crab6685]

triple rotate supremacy ;-;

[@iika_a]

will it just be generally harder to learn if I am experienced but still get faults nearly half of the time?

[@orztetris]

yeah, just something to get used to generally most of finesse is very easy to pick up if you’ve been playing for a while it’s just szi that are usually annoying

[@lololololol1342]

@@orztetris S always kills me especially when it comes to "making the piece climb up from a stairs like formation" due to the piece not moving when I press ccw when I am supposed to press cw to make it kick up 😭

[@JJaaggoobb]

could you make the video any quieter? it was really loud

[@ehpotatoes]

you can just turn down the volume, yknow..

[@merryo1704]

Wow, I didn't know there were others tetris/melee players

[@fyzzl670]

vodyo still very gud

[@luda903]

Honestly learning finese and changing my handaling settings from default on tetrio made me much worse, I'd be rank A+ easy before, now I bearly stand my ground vs A- players. I've been training it for 2 days for a few hours and I seem to not make many finese faults, but my speed is half now.

[@avistang9342]

That's what learning a new skill will do to your game. But think of it like this. Without finesse, you would be stuck in A+, making it very hard to improve. With finesse, you initially will see a decline in your gameplay, but that's just because you're not used to it. Learning finesse opens the ceiling to more and more improvement. When I learned finesse, I had an around 50 second sprint time. Now, I'm at 37 seconds, and I can say, for sure, that learning finesse carried me there.

[@ehpotatoes]

yeah, speed gets much worse, but over time you'll get much faster than before :]. it'll become muscle memory slowly, not in 2 days and a few hours. and soon *_zoom_*

[@binkb1nk]

@@avistang9342 nah without finesse I got all the way to S- and 100k in blitz and now I’m suffering

[@vrs4686]

damnit, been playing for almost a year and looking at this. My finesse sucks lmao

[@Elec-citrus]

how to make a new mode in jstris? do you need to pay?

[@orztetris]

you need some amount of hours of gameplay (I think 10) and then enable usermodes in settings

[@Zetagipp]

Idk if unlearning how to rotate blocks is worth it for perfect finesse

[@jimppajamppa2563]

it is

[@jimppajamppa2563]

but it can be a very long term investment

[@thedoodes5134]

To s-spin I literally do clockwise rotation, then do a counterclockwise rotation, move it back, and do another counterclockwise rotation If you don’t understand, it’s stupid and complicated

[@pc31754]

Whats finesse never heard of it

[@turevedin9968]

it's also not very hard to change your habits. I spent a year triple-rotating and it took about a week to get comfortable using good finesse

[@jfdkfajsksadjlfa2218]

what finesse rate should I be aiming for?

[@orztetris]

eventually, 0 in sprint. kind of bleh in vs because sd but just as low as possible. As you're learning, just try and set personal goals.

[@Xaviaaaaaaa]

not looking forward to learning optimal finesse since I've grinded down to a 32 second time without it. Lots of muscle memory to override

[@Tab-uj4mm]

I got to a 50 second time by only rotating in one direction and rotating with my right hand and dropping with my left. Transitioning to rotating in both directions with my left hand and dropping with my right was one of the hardest things I've ever done in my life lol. I'm at a record of 46 now and just discovered finesse.

[@chanwo_opark]

@@Tab-uj4mm wait till you learn 180 degree rotates ;) (jstris)

[@Notchabuddy]

as an SS player with around 70-80% finesse this is gonna be painful

[@josheco4]

ohhhhhh so that's what finesse is

[@dusting7466]

Yo fellow melee player??

[@beyeet6222]

orz is pro x2

[@DOLLH4US]

i didnt even realize i used finesse naturally because of the version of tetris i played- its a shitty school version of tetris and it speeds up stupid fast. its basically nes tetris but with a lot of glitches. playing on it for all those years paid off ig

[@janecerys]

"don't triple rotate" cz: ogey jokes aside, thanks for the helpful video orz

[@_FrozenPotato_]

czsmall says hi

[@keshyy5173]

very good video and very informative!! #orzfanclub

[@JustinRed624]

LOL cz's handcam

[@rj-mu7ns]

still triple rotating at s+ rank 👍

[@shanggosteen9804]

we did it bois, zero dislikes

[@crispodispo]

"Don't triple rotate" cz: 😏

[@xino_z]

So you're telling me, that unlike Street Fighter the more buttons you press on Tetris the worse off you are?

[@정수-c4n]

yes

[@xino_z]

@@정수-c4n 😂 thank you for confirming!😉

[@fellll9774]

Ok, so really amazing tutorial but jesus christ, I'm doing the tetris 40 liner with finesse reset and god I want to die

[@fellll9774]

I am getting better tho!

[@Genjink]

“Dont triple rotate” Welp im fucked because i use 1 rotate key lmao