Hey guys, for some reason the audio on this video is much quieter than normal... Not really sure why but I'll fix it for next video. Let me know if you have any questions about Orianna or mid lane!
@Mago.-2 жыл бұрын
What do you think bout shield bash - bone plating as secondaries?
@itsmeshady17702 жыл бұрын
Literally just decided to pick up Ori as a blind pick for this season, you read my mind! These guides have been insanely informative so far, I’m sure this will be no different. Thanks!
@gentlemattman2 жыл бұрын
I've been so impressed with the thorough construction and execution of the video. An absolute masterpiece! Could you do a Ryze guide next perhaps? Keep up the fantastic content Shok!
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Ryze, Yone and Akali are ones I'm thinking about doing soon!
@tomasjohnson66072 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague Those 3 would definitely be great!
@zeinfeimrelduulthaarn70282 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague akali would be most welcomed
@alepouna10 ай бұрын
late to the party but +1 to the op's comment. really good guide mate!
@flameofmage10992 жыл бұрын
I like that you explain why the specific champ needs, for example, scorch damage. You don't say "scorch for poke" you say "scorch for poke and here's why orianna needs it"
@marcustulliuscicero43862 жыл бұрын
Important trick: You can also q flash when your opponent is in lethal. What I mean is input q (ori will move now to get in q range), and then flash so the q comes out immediately (flash gets you inside the range)
@flameofmage10992 жыл бұрын
I also watched the Syndra guide earlier today, glad to hear there is a lot of overlap!
@jucamunhoz2 жыл бұрын
im so glad i found your channel, i was actually just looking for more orianna content cause i watched all of curtis videos, but from now on im also watching all your videos
@jbaaw2 жыл бұрын
Decided just last week to add Ori to my champ pool, legendary timing from Shok.
@chicacherryyyy2 жыл бұрын
Dude this is such a great guide. It's so clear and thorough. I just subscribed cause I need to see more of your guides.
@SkarM_x2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate these guides you put out. They're very helpful. Thanks 🙏
@n3m0362 жыл бұрын
Great video. I had a hard time playing ori effectively so I got this video recommended to me by a friend. The only thing I'm missing in this is how I am supposed to play vs melee champs like akali, zed or qiqi. it's fine untill lv 3 but after that I play like a coward
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Basically you just need to buy the right defensive items and try keep the wave frozen on your side since it will make it hard for them to all in. Most assassins have long cooldowns so that gives you a long time to punish them if they make a mistake. I'd recommend checking out this video as well kzbin.info/www/bejne/lZLSdJeeoKyUjNk
@alexdevlin53292 жыл бұрын
Had a lot of fun playing Ori yesterday and she might be my new main. Phenomenal guide bro looking forward to learning her
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Thanks bro, good luck!
@adambedenbaugh284 Жыл бұрын
32:15 this part was actually so funny "I walked into a nidalee spear guys, would not recommend, certainly not optimal"
@hectorpansa39992 жыл бұрын
you legit make amazing videos. i learned more from you then the last 50 guides i watched. if you are taking requests a kass guide would be amazing.
@arach_14412 жыл бұрын
Heyy ! I learned a lot from all your guides and i really apreciate how you explain things in general. Hope you the best !
@xiumiaomei2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this great guide! A ton of information offered in a very digestible manner :)
@Linnz732 жыл бұрын
lb, zed and sylas lanings would be the best, btw I love your content,its amazing I'm learning sm from it ,keep it up
@kirbymitchell17152 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this video, iv actually been interested in maining ori so this helps alot!
@nalicore21292 жыл бұрын
its awesome content. i m just started main mid in this season.and your vids helps a lot! thx for work friend
@vetox7140 Жыл бұрын
Hey, do you think Corruptings are still worth running? Haven't really seen them on any Champion since the last nerf a while ago
@TeteJefe2 жыл бұрын
Im starting to play orianna and i think its a very good champ, the bad thing is that a lot of people on low elo dont know play with oriannas in her m8´s, thanks for the guide !!
@Massivegenius92 жыл бұрын
Nice vid! really hoping on a guide likes these on Yasuo! :)
@FlakTakTV2 жыл бұрын
Decided to pick up Ori and this guide helped a lot with understanding her advantages and such. Also noticed that in the section with the champion matchups is that Vex wasn't included and finding out that laning against a good Vex was not a fun experience at least for me but don't know about anyone else T-T
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Vex is actually a really good matchup for Orianna, you have a huge advantage over her pre 6 and after 6 as long as you are ahead it should be too hard for you to get one shot. I did a video on Faker's Orianna vs a Vex so I'd recommend checking that out!
@marekadamovsky27382 жыл бұрын
she is also pretty underrated.
@justamage38872 жыл бұрын
Very good quality guide as always thank you :) ! Do you plan to do a guide on champion pool ? :)
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Yeah a lot of people have suggested champion pool, will probably do that after laning.
@ME-yl7tf2 жыл бұрын
Yo this guide isn't in your playlist for champion guides. Ty for the video
@leonardhinkelmann56292 жыл бұрын
Great video. Would love to see a tf guide at some point
@yasuoistheone57682 жыл бұрын
Hello there, this was absolutely amazing. You completely told everything I needed to know to start playing oriana and I've been looking for something like this but couldn't get it, so anyways thanks a lot for the great content. Can you do akali next maybe?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Already done Akali! Thanks for the kind words
@jannieschluter96702 жыл бұрын
Nashors and Lichbane are OP on her. Try it out a couple of times. Requires changing of playstyle.
@Ashurus2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Could you do the Wind Feeders (Yasuo, Yone)?
@ap217702 жыл бұрын
Nice vid, for future laning vids could you also talk about some drills or similar things you can do to practice those fundamentals.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I'm honestly not sure if there are drills to practice this? I'll try think about some of the ways I practiced it and incorporate it next time.
@YayouteTV2 жыл бұрын
Solid video as always. Most of your guides have been on control mages, any chance you could make one on akali ? I’ve been struggling to learn her in high elo.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Yeah definitely want to branch out a bit, not sure which melees I want to cover first but I think Akali and Yone are definitely high up on the list.
@redhawasssim51112 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your videos 🔥 decided to start and play mid not long ago hope there will be a veigar video soon wish you the best and again thx
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
I recommend checking out Veigarv2's Veigar guide. He's the king.
@redhawasssim51112 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague thank you very much i'll check
@redhawasssim51112 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague hi i'm still looking for a champ to play i didn't like veigar that much do you advice orianna for a gold to train mid fundamentals i saw that she isn't doing well this meta is it right ?? if no what champs should i pick please thanks
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
@@redhawasssim5111 Honestly I think Orianna is pretty good in the meta, scaling in soloq is a lot easier this season because of the TP changes and objective bounties, as well as scuttle crab contesting being less important. I'd say Orianna is A tier, easiest/most OP champ to play is probably Ahri.
@redhawasssim51112 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague ok ok thanks i'll try orianna then and see if i like it , i hate ahri ahah thank you
@alexanderd83982 жыл бұрын
What about akshan matchup? I think this is quite unplayable. Thanks for the video btw! Still waiting for laning fundamentals guide :P
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
God damn it I forgot to check if the new champs were on there... Yes Akshan is very difficult 😥
@Antoine-du5qo2 жыл бұрын
Vex isn't there as well
@sorkam78272 жыл бұрын
Hello! Wanted to ask why in every tier list i see Orianna is like real bad (B tier mostly) because i really like her, but her being so commonly percepted kinda bad intrigues me. Thx to whoever responds.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
I don't think B tier is bad normally, just average. I think in the past few seasons Orianna has been pretty average in solo queue because the game was very much about early game skirmishes like scuttle crabs, bot lane dives etc. But now games are quite a bit slower (scuttles not as important, no TP before 14 minutes, objective bounties) which means Orianna gets to kinda just bully her lane 1v1 and scale up really nicely. I think she's A tier at the moment personally.
@danstameris7294 Жыл бұрын
Love the content! I have lots of trouble with the Yasuo matchup, any tips?
@ShokLeague Жыл бұрын
Mainly about wave control and mana usage, try keep the wave close to your tower and focus on using your mana really efficiently + itemizing as much mana as you can e.g. tear + sapphire crystal etc
@wesker88142 жыл бұрын
Nice guide thank you! Will you ever do a Liss guide?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Yeah eventually, I have been a bit slow lately but hopefully I'll get to many more champs :)
@lidamida66152 жыл бұрын
Sup brother, when will you release your laning guide? Been really looking forward to it :)
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
This week hopefully :)
@piemarc2 жыл бұрын
Hey Shok, first of all thank you so much for this guide! I've watched it twice already and it is really helpful! I've got a question tho, at 35:50 you are pushing the Syndra out for a good recall you say (she is low on mana) . I would probably ult that cannon wave as Orianna for a good recall. However you don't do that or contemplate about it, my question is. How bad would it to ult that cannon wave as Orianna, for a good reset?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
You could if it's the difference between getting a good reset and not getting one, but I think in that situation I didn't need to.
@jannikh41992 жыл бұрын
I really really like your Videos, i can learn a lot from them so thanks a lot for your work. I need your honest opinion: Do you think Orianna is a good solo q pick? imo she lacks with Damage compared to other Midlaner. I had an 19/2 game with Ori and in the end of the game i had 26k gold but not even most dmg and i stomped my lane solo and i did good ults. Dont get me wrong i know you can come high elo with every champ but it feels for me i make life harder on myself if i pick ori instead a other midlane champ. What do you think about my opinion? Thanks alot in advance!
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
I think she is pretty good in solo q at the moment since games are slower and less chaotic this season compared to past ones. It allows Ori to stomp her lane 1v1 rather than getting caught up in early skirmishes and scale nicely into teamfights. imo Orianna is a solid A tier, so obviously you are making your life harder than if you chose an S tier champion, but I don't really think its a huge difference. Orianna definitely doesn't lack damage, I'd be interested in what order you built items/runes. I think Orianna building Ludens > Seraphs > Rabadon > Void and gathering storm is optional too, does legit crazy amounts of damage at basically all item spikes along that build.
@jannikh41992 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague thanks a lot for your answer! My build was: Ludens > shadowflame > mejais > rabbadons > void - i didnt buy seraphs and played with scorch, maybe there was the problem. I will try your build. Thanks a lot and keep your work up!
@adixo30322 жыл бұрын
nice helpful guide
@braeden495410 ай бұрын
Hey, with Ori back in meta, would you be able to update this video for patch 13.21? Specifically, build path, runes, and match ups? Thank you for all of your content, it has helped immensely!
@ShokLeague10 ай бұрын
imo just check out my Orianna videos in the road to rank 1 for updated runes/masteries. Everything else should be up to date still
@apoloeter75652 жыл бұрын
What a great video! I wanted to ask you a question. I have been looking to stablish a champion pool for midlane, but I'm struggling to find a AD champion that fits my playstyle. Currently I like to play control mages like Viktor and Orianna. Do you have any suggestions for an AD pick with a somewhat similar playstyle?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Hmm, I think it kinda depends what part of their playstyle you're talking about? For example I think Lucian lanes pretty similar to a lot of mages and somewhat teamfights like them, but he has a very different role in the game as a splitpusher, no CC, etc. Lucian is very hard to play well though and may not be worth the effort. Lethality Varus mid could be another option (skillshot, poke, ranged champion) as it kinda fits the control mage bill but it's not played much mid because it has some very difficult matchups and has to be used as a counterpick to mages. Jayce/Graves could be other options? They don't really play like control mages though but it's the closest thing I can think of short of an actual adc (Jinx, Ezreal).
@apoloeter75652 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague Thank you very much!
@klauskeller63802 жыл бұрын
Hey Shok, thanks for your guides. Ive been playing Orianna a lot last Season and enjoyed it very much. But with all the item changes I always feel like Im very weak damage wise after Mythic and before 3 Items because I need to buy Seraphs. So is there a possibility to play an Item build more like Syndras with Ludens and Shadowflame or why is it worse than Seraphs on Orianna.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
You definitely can buy Ludens Shadowflame if you want a bigger burst, but Ludens Seraphs definitely does more damage on Orianna over an extended fight. I guess it's worse in general because Orianna is less about just bursting one single squishy target down like Syndra and more about DPS during the fight. Shadowflame would be an earlier powerspike though and I don't think it's bad at all, you could try it and see if you find it easier to win with.
@Izayanagi2 жыл бұрын
Nice vid. Is a veigar one coming? He's a mid lane menace, don't know if you play him.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
I have played Veigar in pro play before, but I don't really want to make a guide on it since Veigarv2 already made a really good guide on him a month ago. I recommend checking that out if you haven't already.
@Izayanagi2 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague I will then! Thanks mate.
@boky77312 жыл бұрын
Hey man, can you give me an advice on which champion I should main to get out of gold. My options are Orianna, Viktor, Syndra and Azir. Thanks in advance!
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Syndra and Orianna sound good to me, but play whatever you enjoy it's not a big deal. I have a champion pool video coming out later today!
@everything-has-a-handle-now2 жыл бұрын
Got a bee skin for her. Guess I play Orianna now
@jamesk2325 Жыл бұрын
How do you feel the nerfs to Liandry's and potions have affected this? Do you think cpot is still good enough to be a "neutral" buy or is dorans always better now? Is Liandry's still worth building into tanks?
@jamesk2325 Жыл бұрын
Also do you think the stopwatch + zhonyas changes have made it a better early buy than before since it provides more AP?
@ShokLeague Жыл бұрын
Liandry still good. Cpot is still the same, but I think time warp is a lot worse now and I'd probably take cosmic or something else instead. I'd say Zhonya change is actually bad, even though it gives more AP you would get more AP out of building damage items normally so you're only building Zhonya for the active, and now that costs 400 more gold to complete.
@guillermocastello032 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much! Just a question, is Orianna better than Syndra? I'm thinking of maining one of them, but I can't decide
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Syndra is a better counter but Ori is a better blind imo, both solid
@guillermocastello032 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague I see, thanks! Any special scenarios where Syndra could be better? When you say counter I imagine when there's an hypercarry on the other team
@VennieVin2 жыл бұрын
@Shok yo what about the akshan matchup? love the video!
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Pretty hard honestly, he wins extended trades and you don't really have a way to cancel his E. Teamfights you kinda do well into him though.
@Shawn17WiFi2 жыл бұрын
31:54 hahahaah good one dude, laners sometimes have no brain and hands.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
HAHA very true
@DANtheman-90 Жыл бұрын
Hey Shok, why is malzahar a free matchup is that because you can build qss or?
@ShokLeague Жыл бұрын
He's very weak in lane so you can abuse him a lot since he has long CDs, and you can easily kill his voidlings and stop him from pushing at all. In teamfights you are long enough range that you don't really need QSS
@shane_cs2 жыл бұрын
Nemesis loves leveling E second to win trades a lot harder
@huandeag267611 ай бұрын
cool video brother
@biltomohammad89212 жыл бұрын
Would love it if you stream gameplay mate
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Just uploaded some gameplay if that counts :P
@Kodiah-2 жыл бұрын
Your rank 1 in a lot of champs loo curious tho what are ur ideal 3 champions in a pool for low elo/learning player?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Get one easy mage like Ori/Vex/Ahri/Annie, then one melee champ like Zed/Yone/Sylas and that's probably all you need. If you want a 3rd just choose another you enjoy or another mage that doesn't get banned as much.
@Kodiah-2 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague actually great u said tht I really like yones style just thought he might be out of my league haha
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
@@Kodiah- He's not super hard to pick up but he does have a high skill cap
@Courtesyyy10 ай бұрын
I might be year later as Someone who plays malz for a Long time i wanted to have a new champ to play , would you consider orianna a safe pick?
@doughnut46910 ай бұрын
she is broken rn
@ShokLeague10 ай бұрын
Yep ori is safe + broken
@Bempiii Жыл бұрын
What are some match ups you take phase rush in?
@jannieschluter96702 жыл бұрын
Is Orianna's autoattack an Ability? Back then I remember it actually was.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
No sir
@michaelpagliano55192 жыл бұрын
Hi I was gold last season top garen jungle ww, this year I’m not having fun in top and jungle and I switch to mid. I try assassins but it’s feel like are risky, or u snowball or it’s hard play from behind. I started play Annie and I love Annie. I want find another pick to cover Annie, u think Oriana is good for silver elo?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Yeah I think Orianna is good in every elo for sure
@jenericjoe75652 жыл бұрын
I just tried picking up mid and decided on ori but im stuck between banning zed and kat. But youve got kat in the easy tier, for me personally it feels like im playing at max range the entire lane phase otherwise kat jumps onto me and chunks me for 60% forcing me to base or die
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
You should be able to harass Kat quite a bit in the early game, she won't ever win trades vs you until 6 unless you stand too close to daggers. It's mainly about spacing/positioning in lane.
@jenericjoe75652 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague ok I think ill try to focus on positioning better next time, still a bit clueless in mid atm thanks shok :)
@Jeiss_V2 жыл бұрын
how should i play against a fizz or qiyana, should I take specific runes or items?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Vs Qiyana it's very important you rush seekers, you can take either exhaust or barrier or TP if you are really confident. Vs Fizz you probably want a Zhonya's 2nd item, but in lane you build normally other than you could pick up a single null magic mantle if you are really scared of dying. Barrier can help you a lot in this matchup. Only really useful rune is probably cosmic insight for flash cooldown since you don't really need time warp tonic vs these champs.
@anniekujo2 жыл бұрын
Idk about archangles on Orianna, I don't think you need the cdr on her. I think other items are worth more, archangles is a bit of a waste imo.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Just depends on the game
@tempasdiz1j Жыл бұрын
Are the builds and tuned still up to date?
@ShokLeague Жыл бұрын
Pretty much, the only difference would be sometimes you wanna go ROA vs assassins, crown isn't that good anymore
@countingcards12082 жыл бұрын
I wanna get into Orianna but it feels like she does no damage, even when I have a lead and I hit everything.
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Could be your item build? Are you picking up Rabadons/Void 3rd and 4th? That makes a huge difference to your damage. It could also be that you hit your spikes too late because of low farm or high deaths.
@flyingdingu62612 жыл бұрын
phase rush or arey against sylas
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
aery or elec with ignite imo
@UnluckyGambler2 жыл бұрын
can you explain your choice of putrifier over morello?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Sure! So when you upgrade from Oblivion to Morello, you're paying 2200g for an extra 50 AP and 250 HP as well as the grievous wounds from 40% to 60%. So overall those stats aren't that valuable, we can easily get more AP/DMG from different items like Rabadons or Void. HP while not being useless, isn't as valuable as other stats on Orianna. For Putrifier you're paying 1500g for an extra 25 AP, 20 ability haste and 100% base mana regen. It also allows you to give two people (an ally and yourself) or potentially 3 with aery, 60% grievous wounds. Base mana regen is pretty useless by mid game but overall it's better to have 25 AP and 20 ability haste + grievous on allies for 1500g, than it is to have 50 AP and 250HP for 2200g with grievous only on yourself.
@UnluckyGambler2 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague thank you.
@rtstrt78472 жыл бұрын
i don't really like new seraph so im skipping tear in my build in most cases
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
yeah thats ok you can still go the shadowflame early pen build
@prohunterfifa77202 жыл бұрын
I struggle to win vs akali, sylas, yasuo, yone. How can I beat them
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Akali/sylas/yone you can bully really hard in the early game but need to be quite careful if you ever push out. Against Yasuo it's a bit harder, be very careful how you use your mana and try just looks for harass with Q spam.
@MonkeyDLuffy-tb9xy2 жыл бұрын
Thank you. How do I Beat velkoz? For me its very hard like vs Azir. Why is it a Skill matchup? Please Tell me how to beat velkoz
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
@@MonkeyDLuffy-tb9xy You can pressure him a lot early and make it to where he kinda just has to use abilities to farm pre 6. With your pre6 lead you should be ahead enough to fight him after 6, but at that point it becomes more difficult.
@hellssanctuary79662 жыл бұрын
Hey, sorry Im an assassin main just recently started playing mages. Why do you not run Comet when trying to win lane over Arey??
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Depends on the champion, generally if you're running comet you need to be able to proc it with a slow/stun to ensure the comet hits, in early game Orianna mainly pokes with Q since QW is too expensive to use everytime makes it hard to guarantee comet hits. A champion like Xerath may always proc comet with W (that also has a slow) which makes it impossible almost to dodge. Also you have to think about if your champion has a way to proc aery on allies like Orianna does with her E (and W speed boost I'm pretty sure).
@hellssanctuary79662 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague Thank you I appreciate it!
@KennnnyT Жыл бұрын
What build for season 13?
@ShokLeague Жыл бұрын
Same as before
@Ymartle9 ай бұрын
This isn’t meant to be mean. The clicking is driving me crazy lol
@ShokLeague9 ай бұрын
Sorry about that :/
@tonystark886411 ай бұрын
What if someone just pick irelia to bully me :(
@gymnopedieno.29252 жыл бұрын
Hi, will you do a Tf guide ?
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Probably not for a while, there are much better TF's than me so I'd recommend checking out Coach Curtis' TF guide.
@gymnopedieno.29252 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague okay thanks 👍
@gilbrage50242 жыл бұрын
Bayzed
@user-xw1wz8iq2t2 жыл бұрын
Swain is easy with phase rush, corki has insane range, idk how u can win this lane, only when he's making mistakes. Yone and Akshan? they arent in the list, these champs are nuts, worse than zed
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
Yone is easy to bully out with your superior early game, Akshan can be difficult though. Corki is really easy to crush early game, he can start to farm after 6 but even then you still have advantage.
@MaleniaTheSevered2 жыл бұрын
Ur gorgeous
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
😳
@MaleniaTheSevered2 жыл бұрын
@@ShokLeague i played orianna yesterday and went 9/2! U proud of me? I hope u can help me improve,i would love that haha
@ShokLeague2 жыл бұрын
@@MaleniaTheSevered haha yes I love to hear that. Gonna be 1v9ing Orianna games in no time!