How to Predict Calm Sea Kayaking Conditions - Be Safe on The Sea.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

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[@KK-no7be]

I carry an anchor in my inflatable dinghy for in case the wind gets up a bit too much.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

I've recently got an anchor. That's a good use for it 👍😁

[@paulgranpop536]

Spot on Karl. I do include some sea kayaking when I am in Cornwall on the north coast. I have a wavesport scooter sit on top. It's easy to go through the surf going out. Bow first always. Coming in surfing the waves in is the difficult bit. Certainly knowing where the currents are is good, rip tides etc. Talking to the lifeguards is the best way to get information as most are locals. i have found that you can to a certain extent use your knowledge of watching the water, for near surface rocks etc is the same as a river. I am a bit older than you at 72 and I am not giving up yet.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Steve aka Grandad who comes out with us is 71 and he's still cracking on too :D He's on KZbin if you're interested - search Humber Flyer :) You're right about getting local knowledge where you can. As I mentioned here, I grew up in Filey and in many respects the fact it's set in a large bay is a boon. At worst you should only get swept further along the coast and not so much outwards beyond the bay area.

[@TheKayakCrew]

Great tips, we do a lot of sea paddling. Didn’t realise that the range of the tides (as linked to phases of the moon) was a factor, makes sense I guess. Will factor that in on future sea paddles

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

It'll be interesting to see what you experience 👍😁

[@aircreed]

Spot on Karl, a very important video. I live in Minnesota so no seas or oceans but we have really big lakes that often have sea like conditions the farther you go out. Unfortunately a guy in an Oru kayak has been missing for 4 days on one of our biggest lakes. Safety is no joke.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Sheesh 4 days! There can't be much hope :(

[@aircreed]

@MoreThanJustaCleaner really no hope sadly. The oru kayak and his paddle washed up on shore, and he unfortunately had given his life jacket to his friend in another kayak. So many mistakes were made but still really sad.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Jeez! :(

[@kristaps2010]

@@aircreed very sad, R.I.P. condolences to family

[@caz-nbgalatea1528]

Well that was interesting! If we take the boat across the Great Ouse there is a small tidal section so we have to wait for the tide etc. Interesting to know about the crescent moons! I’ll look up to find out where waxing and waning come from!! Doubt if I’ll ever sea kayak but still interesting to know. Should always treat the water with respect even if it looks like a mill pond! 👍

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Yeah any moving water can have unpredictable aspects, hence my philosophy about what to over/under estimate! :)

[@MaldeMare]

Sage advice. Possibly even basil.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@MaldeMare lol not if it's Basil Faulty! See what I did there? 😉😁

[@paulgreen4320]

i never knew that about the moon, great tip. cheers

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@paulgreen4320 you're welcome 👍😁

[@Quiltersmate]

Excellent video with reassuring advice. Thanks 👍

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@Quiltersmate you're welcome 👍😁

[@kristaps2010]

enjoyed video, lot of useful suggestions for safer addling in sea. building up my confidence...

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@kristaps2010 I'm glad you've found it useful 👍😁

[@srappywoo]

Really helpful, thank you 🤩. When preparing to take my SUP out on the ocean 🌊 for the first time I also remember reading about the slack tide. From memory it’s when it’s safer but for full specifics I would certainly have to read it all again as I don’t live near the coast so it’s not fresh in my mind.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@srappywoo you're very welcome. So long as you factor the moon, the weather system pressure and wind wind direction into the equation, you can't really go far wrong. There are local currents to take into account, and they're generally flagged or on notice boards.

[@srappywoo]

@@MoreThanJustaCleaner Best to err on the side of caution as you said in your video. I would much rather do that than be the muppet that needs rescuing.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@srappywoo absolutely 👍😁

[@SailingWithDave]

Well put Karl, nice and basic way to convey the tricky elements of the sea! Although a dinghy sailor, my experience on the sea has given me a similiar set of basic rules to go by when sailing, i'll add a couple for you here You did mention wind but I also look ideally for a nice SW wind. I also look out to the Atlantic 1-2 weeks before a planned trip to see what may be coming in. You can't really predict local weather too far ahead, but you can get an idea of whats coming in. It also gives you an idea of what will "have" come in before your trip. So even if nice and calm on the day of launch, it it's been blowing in one driection for a long time prior, then look out for residual swells and possible issues at tricky points on the trip. Ironically for me in a Drascombe Lugger, I need a little bit of puff to get me going well, so finding a nice High pressure SW wind with about 10-12kts is hard to find!!

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Good info Dave 👍😊 Whereabouts do you sail from?

[@SailingWithDave]

@@MoreThanJustaCleaner At the moment mainly around Anglesey so you have to be mindful of the sea here, especially breaking waves. Overfalls everywhere!! To underline the Neap V Spring tides (moon states in your video) though. A couple of weeks ago I sailed through the notorious Swellies at almost mid tide with very little happening on a full Neap tide. If it were a spring you would almost certainly have to wait for LW or HW to get through.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@SailingWithDave it's amazing the difference it makes isn't it!

[@SailingWithDave]

@@MoreThanJustaCleaner Yes, actually as fairly novice still myself on the sea, I was mostly frightened off by the weather and sea state and the stories and warnings you hear. I am literally scared to sailsometimes!!! However if you do pay attention to some rules like in this video and also take into account some local advice then it's mostly quite safe. Funnily enough, I spoke to the RNLI about sailing around South Stack and asked thier advice and they told me that they spend all day finding paddle boarders and kids on inflatables so they would not be put out in the slightest if I ever needed help. Just don't be stupid! Once they found out what boat I was in and I had my Day skipper qualification they satrted to look at me funny. The advice was not to do it mid tide, in 30kt winds in a northerly. Otherwise you'll be fine!!!

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@SailingWithDave unfortunately there are so, so many stupid people who go out with no skill, no awareness and no safety equipment or prep. They break the philosophy I talked about here and are heading towards being one of those who say 'i thought I could handle it' and 'I didn't expect it to be so bad!' 😏

[@coisi2940]

There is plenty of information about sea conditions available online. I use the more detailed surf forecasts as guides to near shore conditions.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Indeed 👍😁

[@pops6638]

I live in Bridlington. So if anyone is up for a paddle in the area or on the Driffield navigation/canal, give me a shout. If I’m free and things look good, I’ll happily go out. Ps not that it matters, but just for info I use plastic kayaks, not inflatable ones…

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Would you like to join my kayaking group? One of our members lives in Brid and we've been on the local canals etc. If so find my contact details on my homepage and drop me a message with your phone number 👍😁

[@pops6638]

@@MoreThanJustaCleanerok, thanks Karl

[@markokeeffe8361]

Really good video Karl. Especially re. assessing risk with lots of margin to spare. Can I ask please how you get data on tidal current speed at a particular location? It's not something I've seen on tide tables. Thanks.

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

The tidal speed I'm talking about here is based purely on observation. I know how far out it goes. How far in it goes is the level at high tide. On this particular day it barely reached the promenade, so you're only looking at 400 to 500 yds distance over a 6hr period. When it's a higher tide, i.e. it's smashing into the sea wall, it's an educated guess as to how far it would reach if the sea wall wasn't there. In places where there is no sea wall it's probably even easier to measure. Does that make sense buddy?

[@markokeeffe8361]

​@@MoreThanJustaCleaner Yes, got it thanks. 👍

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

Good stuff :)

[@chrisbamborough222]

As Carl said observation . If you want to go further into this as you have some tide tables you know when high and low tide occur. If you wish to know the tidal rate ie how fast the tide is moving at your given point you need to either purchase a tidal stream Atlas which will give you the rate(speed) and direction for each hour between high and low water tide cost about £24 however there are some apps that for about £4 year will do that for you also some calculators and watches from boat Chandlers .It all depends what you're doing paddling in a bay or really wanting tide tables to circumnavigate the UK😊. You may know this but armed with your tide tables you know the times of high and low tide that day the time between high and low is approx 6 hrs( it does vary a bit) There's a simple method called the Rule of Twelves . Let's say high is 6 am and low 12 midday the tide to consider is in this 6hrs. At 6am the tide will be slack not moving on the first hour after to 7am it will flow at one twelth rate ,from 7 to 8am two twelve s and 8 am to 9am three Twelves rate. Now at 9am to 10 am it again flows at three Twelves now reduces to two Twelves rate from 10 to 11am and One from 11am to 12 midday. So if you are paddling you can plan a easy paddle at slack or consider the flow rate if the tides going with you or against you to your advantage so taking into account wind if it's with the tide it will be smoother if it's against the tide it will make it choppy. Apologies if you knew some or all of that. On rip tides it's another subject worth reading up on. The Full moon is Spring tides when they are at their fastest rate and reach the highest high water and the lowest low water think a a ten foot deep swim pool springs from 9 ft high drop to 2ft low in 6hrs so have to move quickly so a fast rate of flow. As the moon goes from full reducing over the next fourteen days the HW height and low gradually change The high decreases and the low gets higher untill you reach the smallest moon . The saying is Springs the highest of the high the lowest of the low that means it's a fast flow, Neaps the lowest of the highs the highest of the lows. At the neap point the high and low ( the tidal range start to increase again as the moon gains goes up to full moon. It's all to do with the gravitational pull on the sea moon and earth position I won't go into that For a Paddle locally it's as Carl says and local Sources are always worth an ask. Hope that's some help..

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@chrisbamborough222 that's great info to add... Thanks so much 👍😁

[@MATS_MAKERSPACE]

Do the rips at Hunmanby gap or Reighton cause you any issues?

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

I've never been that far round Mat. I didn't experience any at HG this time, probably didn't quite hit them. If you're caught in a rip tide my understanding is not to try and paddle/swim to the shore but to across until you're out of it...

[@MATS_MAKERSPACE]

@@MoreThanJustaCleaner certainly when swimming you swim sideways but wondered if the rip had the same effect on the inflatable as it's on the weather rather than in. I do remember when dinghys were blow out it was more to do with offshore winds rather than the rips that got the swimmers

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

It would be interesting to experience. I wonder if there's a safe way to do that... It can't be too dissimilar to a flow in whitewater, and you can certainly head across on those at an angle of say 45 degrees away from the flow. Doing that at 90 degrees would possibly broadside you and tip you out.

[@pops6638]

@@MoreThanJustaCleaner The Ferry Glide

[@MoreThanJustaCleaner]

@@pops6638 not sure what you're referring to? 😊