How to Properly Diagnose a Failed TXV

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[@robertwojtowicz933]

You getting too long-winded with your explanation’s

[@channelcatchaser9426]

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[@greentea111]

THis is by far the best explained txv operation and fail operation ive seen yet... THank you for the very good lesson

[@YuShudNoe]

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[@derrickseidenberg8105]

We often use your videos for our weekly training with our techs. This one was great! Thank you again for what you do for the industry.

[@HVASEA]

Great video! Spot on!! The TXV has got to be the most misunderstood component of the trade.

[@itchfinger]

Add air into the mix and you got yourself a long day

[@craigspicer4296]

This has been a great Lesson and reminder about how to do the job better on properly diagnosing the TXV.

[@harvindersingharora3845]

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[@Stuart68505]

Thanks- lots of insights that are new to me. The review of the complete diagnosing procedure was also helpful. One service manager told that first thing he would do was to put his amp probe on outdoors to get an idea about how much refrigerant charge is in the system and to see if the compressor was running. I used that idea to check a new refrigerator at my apartment which was icing up constantly. The store technicians came and told me that it was improperly sloped and not draining & that’s why it was freezing. How ever it continued to freeze up. It was only drawing about 2 amps instead of the rated 6 amps under full load. They eventually replaced that new unit with another new refrigerator. I don’t understand why it makes a loud clicking noise every time the compressor starts up that is coming from inside the cabinet and not down at the compressor.

[@LongTrout]

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[@sterlingarcher46]

If only they taught me this well ... Fantastic class , sir , I wish I'd had my training with you guys 👍

[@padilla7019]

Watch this video a couple of times and makes me feel good to get this knowledge about txv

[@seandardis9409]

Excellent Brian ! You can explain the workings of refrigeration parts in an easy to understand way .

[@Imwright720]

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[@charlesdegaulle6465]

23:00 I FEEL VINDICATED. I should save this video for every customer who “just wanted” their 20 year-old, never maintained attic AC in their 120 year old house “fixed” instead of replaced.

[@Niveous23]

or a crawlspace....

[@billcamp8183]

Great, great class this instructor is an asset to the hvac trade. Good job.

[@Sctronic209]

I like the explanation of the bulb being the opening force.👍

[@austinisfullpleasedontmove653]

Mr. Orr here is what one would call an Hvac God. Love this dude and he has helped me through many a quandary.

[@dergadergaful]

We have a Lennox unit that takes 29lbs of refrigerant and it worked perfectly fine in second stage but we were getting the typical readings of a txv valve failure, low suction. I traced the line to the condenser and saw a hell of a mess of a braising job. Traced the TXV and saw that someone had melted the copper with the torch and the pipe was pinched to the point of no airflow when tested with nitrogen. Pointed it out to the Linux tech who recommended we change the solenoid first. We changed the TXV and braised everything. Pressure tested it over the weekend checked for leaks and recharged it. Works like a charm

[@Rodzilla408]

Good video I'll be watching this one a few more times.

[@MrGarcon98]

he is a very fast talker LOL

[@benswafford8608]

I learned a lot from this video that I can use everyday. You are a HVAC wizard.

[@alejandromata825]

I’ve changed power heads before only to find that the valve was restricted at the body, I’d rather just change the whole thing if time and conditions permit. Good class!

[@itsnotfar]

Great information. I'm new to this stuff, so it was lots of food for my brain. You explained it in a way I could easily understand. Thank you

[@billymonis8978]

I just replaced a txv yesterday. It had low suction pressure about 50 psig ( R22) SH was about 45 deg. high head pressure at 400 this was after the day shift added 22. SC way high. Took some out until suction pressure started going down. then pumped unit down, couldn't get low side below 40 psig before the compressors internal bypass opened. The head pressure got all the way down to almost 0 psig. the coil was freezing up. Put the new one in and was getting the perfect cycle. Good feeling!

[@garycox1459]

Exactly. Tech knowledge good. Experience is key

[@mikefreedom5612]

Head pressure 0psig?

[@ryanjordan6144]

Billy Monis your over charged! That’s why it won’t pump down. Txv is not your problem

[@jskipperddg80]

@@ryanjordan6144 if the TXV has been starving the compressor long enough it will go out on high heat when pumping it down. Doesn’t mean overcharged!

[@armandorodriguez6447]

Really good lesson or over view. I’m recommending this lesson to the green hvac bros coming into our co. This will make a good tech out of the average tech filter changers and part changers

[@baylifehvac991]

Awesome video. From my experience with txv is I always see the outlet of the valve with frost build up and my subcool doesn’t make since or is way to high. I know so many installers who braze with out nitrogen and years down the road this is then end result. Honestly on all my service calls are maintenance I always check for dirty indoor coils , filters, ductwork and blower wheels that will cause low air flow. God bless

[@jericosha2842]

great comment, thank you

[@USA-GreedyMenOfNoIntegrity]

I purged with nitrogen on all of the systems I’ve installed in the last 20 years. I still have lots of TXV failures. They are junk, engineering in the USA and poorly made in China. Greedy corporations don’t have any problem paying their suits millions.

[@bhutehole]

calling the TXV a constant superheat valve is a good trick for remembering what it does

[@ssantoro36]

As a tech, I love these videos.

[@bryanharayda1975]

Constant super heat valve is accurate. Easiest way to check valve is measure superheat and subcool when close to or at temp. Always measure suction temp closest to TXV sensor bulb to calculate superheat. TXV, EXV, DTC valves are fun!

[@chriscooley906]

Pure gold Bryan, So technical you really drive home the facts, I love the videos and podcasts great reminders to strive for greatness and never assume without having all the facts Thanks again.

[@Bluecollarworkingman]

This is solid information. Presented and spoken well. Awesome.

[@vernroach3413]

Most excellent and informative video with an excellent instructor.....Thank you Testo.

[@trebrehenuf]

Learned more in 30 minutes watching than 2 years working with journeyman.

[@chrismesser7051]

sorry to hear that man you must of worked with some bad guys, i feel the opposite iv learned way more in the field to the point where i dont get much from alot of his videos, not bragging but alot of his material is introduction to stuff and very basic

[@NineToes19]

trebrehenuf .......you’ll learn even more and much faster when you put hands-on. And more still when you’re on your own, with nobody watching you. Also, this is a trade that is very cerebral and you’ll constantly learn. Like the instructor said, even a seasoned tech can misdiagnose.

[@FlyEaglesFly19111]

The best techs have made the most mistakes.. they learned from them and made themselves better.

[@hvacae6904]

Exactly...

[@adamz4345]

Very informative, I've also been a last resort to change a txv,but over the years have had a few that were the TXV valve was bad..

[@ernestorodriguez2711]

I am currently pretty hungover and I can’t sleep. But I just watched your video and I understood all of the information. Wow. Such a great video, I had to subscribe. I will watch again when not hungover to make sure I retain everything. Thanks so much. Great job.

[@markbeiser]

A note on your statement at the end about what happens if a valve core is left in the port the equalizer line connect so. On many valves, there is not a perfect seal around the rods the diaphragm pushes on to drive the valve open, so refrigerant inside the valve can leak through and push the valve closed. It will be higher pressure than the refrigerant in the evaporator coil, and has no place to go, so will force the valve too far closed. I ran into it a few times back when AS/Trane switched to providing aluminum replacement coils for their air handlers with copper coils. The coils come with no TXV, so you have to field install it, and people were not pulling the valve core out of the port. After starting the system up, the valve would start off forced wide open, flooding the coil, then slowly close down until the superheat was way too high.

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[@sethmeistergee]

REALLY appreciate your explanation about how a restriction can actually show lower high side pressure-- as a refrigeration guy I see that all the time on LG fridges with partial cap tube restrictions.

[@UNITEDHVACSYSTEMS]

Nice videos... Can understand how txv works and fails

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[@BartSimpson-nr1dy]

I really miss this instrumental intro to your videos. Please consider using this tune in future videos. Great instructions on diagnosing a failed TXV

[@jeffreykubiak5126]

Thanks Bryan great video technician going possible back into field after 14 years in house maintenance. Probably watch again.Beer can cold days are long over. Thanks got your app on my phone!

[@vnesmuonnam]

Great lecture for TXV

[@kenshofalco8326]

That was an excellent presentation.

[@garycox1459]

Txv is pure gut feeling. I change out 9 every summer

[@brs4389]

flawless articulation of details

[@ronyben-nachum7803]

Thank you very much for the wonderful explanation. Rony - from Israel

[@alexaderreyes5945]

Very interesting class it really helped me a lot on my Jobs thank you God bless you brother

[@mariomartinez4143]

on a traulsen two door commercial refrigerator can the body of the txv sit externally? outside the evaporator housing? as long and the bulb is inside?

[@keithglynn9237]

I guess this should go without saying but I would make sure all of the filters are clean, no slipping belt if there is one, make sure the coils are clean, in this case especially the evaporator coil, CHECK to make sure ALL dampers, diffusers, registers are open and confirm airflow. You would be surprised how many people close registers in a room not used or simply because they don't like to feel a cold draft. You can usually tell when there is a restriction or a bad txv because most times your superheat will be high. And contrary to what some people believe...if you have clean filters, coils, good airflow, then I would absolutely try warming up the txv bulb to see if there is any change in pressure at all...it's a lot easier to do than recovering the charge and changing the txv. Usually before you even get to that point you can usually find the problem. Check for a rubbed through txv capillary, look for any significant temperature differences across filter driers and watch for freezing at the txv. Finally, check to make sure the thermostat is not set too low (people have a tendency to bury it down low) and test it to make sure it stops and starts the system with reasonable accuracy. A system that runs too cold can log up oil in the evaporator coil and reduce heat transfer. Try shutting the system off for a half hour to let it stabilize and startup with a good heat load. I hope this helps.

[@poopathyraaja9949]

Awesome video 👍. Such a valuable information.

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Great information.. well explained thank you👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@nickdaggitt5079]

Bryan great video as always, but ive always wondered and asked what refrigerant is used inside of a sensing bulb. It would make sense to me that the bulb would have a small amount of liquid refrigerant of whatever the system uses that its rated for but i have never been able to find documentation or get a definitive answer. Just a question ive had for 10 plus years.

[@carlosportillo8863]

Very nicely explained Bryan. Thanks

[@rodgraff1782]

It’s a good idea to install a 1/4” flare T at the connection for the equalizer line at the evaporator. The extra port can be used to get a pressure measurement for the actual evaporator pressure at the tail coil, where the bulb is located. This is the proper place to read suction pressure when calculating evaporator superheat

[@boolve]

Good talk. It did exploded my head.

[@deonnarine4363]

Great job sir , from Trinidad and tobago. Deon's air conditioning services here

[@billyk5107]

Thank you I’m working on a unit now that I have to check all this because when I got there it was frozen so I told him I would be back the next day to hook up everything again and run it properly and see what’s going on before I condemn anything

[@jamesmooney5348]

What are signs that tell whether the screen just infront of the txv is plugged? Is their enough space to measure or even see temp differences?

[@jspilly82]

some aircons have check (one way) valves that will give some of the same symptoms as a bad txv. if you are thourough in the diagnosis it will become obvious but always use both hi and lo gauges and check system temps in lots of places. its been rare to have a check valve fail but they can give you a real hard time if your not aware of them.

[@tribenitribhowan3638]

Explain very well, I learned a lot 👍

[@MrGarcon98]

our teacher who had at the time little over 35 years in the trade told us that 3 degrees in HVAC is close enough and dont sweat it too too much ,,,,just cool that house LOL ,,,,specially in miami /ftlaud / etc southern fl,,,nice show

[@JordanSmith-gp9qf]

Great Video but i do have some questions. So my question is 21:35. right there you have a high superheat of 27 degrees. From there you say "then you can condemn the txv". how at that moment did you figure low charge still may not still be a factor ?

[@donnierobertson3088]

Great job and video like always

[@amantek3545]

VERY good explanation keep up the good work

[@soloch69]

Great video like always 🙏🏻

[@winkhvac62]

Excellent training!!

[@Froggin87]

Absolutely great explanation thank you for that

[@OldePhart]

That was outstanding instruction. Well done.

[@HVACS]

thanks!

[@HermanMeyers-k4x]

It's always taping on the txv the diaphragm with a pen. Then have a new power head and listen to the sound. Push on the diaphragm. You will see the difference. Some alco or sporlan valves willo have a kit at RSD and you don't have to replace valve body. Just make sure it's the right power head. You can use a pressure limiting power head to shut down the system in case of refrigerant lost. Pumping down and pulling a vacuum will allow you to do this.

[@foreverendeavors6210]

Priceless information 👌

[@petesingh292]

Is it true when ever TXV be replaced , the filter dryer should be replaced as well ? Plz reply

[@HVACS]

Yes

[@guslaberge]

Pete Singh yes

[@BartSimpson-nr1dy]

Pete Singh - most manufacturers recommend the filter dryer replaced when a system is opened.

[@jon240zx1]

Great video. Add a hot gas bypass system with liquid quenching to this and troubleshooting gets even more interesting. Then throw in flooded condenser and it's a party.

[@thealeons3179]

Wasn't sure where to ask this question, but I am looking for an electronic expansion valve with a controller that will allow me to run suction pressure below zero PSI. I can't find a controller that won't fault out when trying to run Ultra load temperatures like -80F. I have to put the controller in manual mode then I can dial the electronic expansion valve to exactly what is needed whereas a TXV loses a lot of its ability to meter at these ultra-low temperatures. BTW your channel is in first place tie with the engineering mindset Channel. That's a pretty big compliment

[@hugh2200]

You changed the superheat tp 27 degrees @ 20:20 in the video. Why didn`t your subcooling due to stacking liquid from a faulty TXV valve?

[@maness2112]

I am never 100% sure when I condemn a Txv. It still feels like I'm guessing. One of my least favorite diagnoses.

[@tonymckay9031]

Same. Some guys check pressures, SH, SC. Then, put txv bulb in hot water, and recheck those pressures,(suction should go up, feeding more refrigerant) you could also do ice water and txv should feed less and have lower suction. But others check pressures, SH,SC, but they even add refrigerant and see that suction deadends, again to Bryan's point, neither of these are practical. More so checking more things like discharge gas superheat off compressor. I've learned about having bad txv when changing a rusted drier, then added refrigerant charge to unit charging chart then the suction hit a deadend and wouldn't rise anymore upon adding refrigerant, the headpressure would also stack if much more refrigerant is added after that deadend. Not the best way to know, why I've been trying to find better approach.

[@mohamedkhan5207]

Maximus Decimus Meridius lies, kink liquid line or clogged filter drier will increase head pressure along with liquid saturation temp which will show a subcool within range, or dirty condenser coil will raise liquid pressure and show subcool within range. Don’t feed false information to newbie techs bud.

[@SuperWingman69]

Brian, thank you for your time and effort in making great content for us all to learn from. I work on commuter trains . We have 2 , 8 ton package units. In each unit There are 4 TXV's feeding 2 evaporator coils. There is liquid line valve and a branch circuit off the liquid line that incorporates a modulation valve, that when energized provides "Full cooling" capacity through feeding all 4 TXV's. Partial cooling capacity is accomplished by de-energizing the modulation valve and feeding only 2 TXV's . Question, Would I have to operate these units in full cooling to properly calculate SH? I've never seen a system with multiple TXV's like this before. There are no manifold gauge connections, only transducers and NTC thermistors mounted on the liquid and suction lines. We use R-407C refrigerant.

[@ryanjordan6144]

marty maness replace the txv and ll drier and you can’t go wrong.

[@harpoon_bakery162]

i have a piston on my system, what's better Txv or piston. Should i be worried because i have a piston?

[@chadbrown4918]

Cheers. Good job Brian.

[@OGRH]

I feel really smart KZbin is recommending this to me and I have no idea what the hell this guy is talking about. But everything that breaks gets fixed in my house so I guess one day this video will come in handy!

[@ht3838]

Quick question and apologies for lack of understanding, my HVAC unit is ~10 years old, last year around winter time, we lost charge, and compressor was not working etc. Our tech after hours of testing decided it is this valve. Hence replaced it. Since then, we hear a squeaky/ chirping mechanical sound at diffrent times, and can never pinpoint the location.. the system works fine, the noise is horrible? They came to check it twice, and found no issue. Slightly low refrigerant, filled it, and the noise was not different! Any idea is appreciated

[@jimmyclause847]

So educative and classified lecture..

[@chuckdearruda6271]

Great video! Thanks Bryan!

[@lerch400block]

I always questioned the reasoning behind "clocking the bulb" so it doesn't sense the liquid. Umm, it's at the outlet of the evaporator on a copper tube. Right?

[@Lemonpepperclub]

i should be taking notes!!!

[@moonlightacmaintenance3232]

I got a tricky one. How do you troubleshoot/ adjust a circuit with multiple txv’s ?

[@andreagate542]

Thank you for this wonderful video.... I understand everything you explain in this video minus one factor. When you have a moment can you kindly explain why your DeltaT will go up when you have a bad TXV. Many thanks

[@jericosha2842]

If the TXV is underfeeding, there will be a noticable drop in pressure in the indoor coil. This will cause the coil to significantly drop in temperature. The air being pulled across will lose a lot more heat because of the colder than normal coil. This is what gives you a higher delta T.

[@brs4389]

one time I suspected a kink and the line temp difference between ID and OD was like 15-20 degrees. I searched and sure enough the lineset was bent where it exited the wall cavity.

[@jericosha2842]

So was the indoor temperature of the suction line more normal and the temperature of the outdoor line really low?

[@yisroelsones4552]

Professional and precise and very detailed

[@ronaldmelgar8907]

Very helpful thanks,can I have a question,it is possible to charge freon r404a while the expansion valve r22? Thats for walking freezef

[@tfortexas5098]

I live in SE Texas and I have been having problems with my central ac.I have a friend that is an ac guy and he put gauges on it and said it is alittle low on refrigerant but not enough to make it quit cooling all together. I think the condensor is the one that came with the house back in 1977 but in the attic, its not quite as old. The compressor runs and I have airflow. Might it be the txv? I've heard that I can cover the condenser to stop the airflow and I should not see the gauges move when the air heats up. If the txv is had, the gauges will not move. Does this sound right?

[@Stuart68505]

Very helpful information thank you

[@roberttuncap]

What if the txv is clogged and you can hear gurgling? That would be causing low pressure lock out right. Change the txv at that point?

[@UltraHydrophobiccoat]

I pretty sure this is a class for HVACR technicians Continue Education, but not a class for newbies like me. Will come back after I have certain HVAC knowledge

[@sfranklinnasty]

Check out their KZbin home page and look under the 'refrigeration basics' category - lots of great stuff for newbies!

[@davidchipman6573]

Visit back often. Once you get more experience you can picture what Brian’s talking about 😄

[@jamescollins8148]

Are you taking the indoor superheat and sub cooling using the pressures at the condensing unit?

[@terrygrant8126]

that was a lot of information in a short amount of time.....but well done!

[@ramonestrada38]

Brian so instead of running up and down from attic to condenser unit every time you warm or cool the TXV valve bulb what about taking advantage of the Fieldpiece or Testo probes along with the Measure Quick app and watch what you pressure's and temperatures are doing. Saves alot of running around for those that have them or frees up a second person. Also can probably use an infrared terminal immature on the TXV. Just a thought 🤔

[@jonathancastillo8235]

WOW this guy is very good

[@joestokes9896]

What if you have M low sh and the line set/evap coils are freezing..? I ran across this recently and the sh would just drop out like 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 and then .....nothing...the sc was at 5-6° head press was a little low suc press was 117-120psig and temp was 40°-43° and line set would freeze as well as the evap coils...bad TXV..? I'm fixing to chang it out and see I guess...air restrictions there are none the filter is new...should I replace the dryer first or what's the next move..?

[@iwnt2bhorseback]

I would clean the evaporator coil and blower fan. Plus check to make sure the TXV bulb is tight on the suction line and not on top or at the very bottom of the line. Low Superheat is the TXV over feeding refrigerant.

[@iwnt2bhorseback]

If everything is clean and tight look to see what type of TXV you are working with if it is a Sporlan and is adjustable I would turn the adjustment screw in one flat then check your superheat. It should rise 2 to 3 degrees.

[@joestokes9896]

Thank you...I was stuck..i did check and then clean all the coils inside and out as well as the fan...my readings did chang but still freeze when trying to run through a full cycle and just before pump down it starts to freeze up...so I checked and changed the TXV...it didn't have an adjustment on it and the bulb was in what I've seen as a good location I put the new one with the new TXV in the same place...as soon as I turned the refrigerant loose it even sounded different and immediately it came up to temp on the sh and all the temps and pressures came back so live and learn I guess...thanks again.

[@jamesdozier4221]

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