What a TXV Does (and why techs need to stop replacing them with a piston)

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@wiggie8860
@wiggie8860 3 жыл бұрын
It’s awesome to see the only two HVAC channels I watch collaborate and really helps to trust the information on either one
@johndoe-wt4ui
@johndoe-wt4ui 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly 👍
@kippymelton6516
@kippymelton6516 3 жыл бұрын
Lovebirds
@rmflores7096
@rmflores7096 3 жыл бұрын
What's the second one that you watch?
@iamthehvaclady87
@iamthehvaclady87 3 жыл бұрын
👍🏾🙏🏾
@guillermotejeda692
@guillermotejeda692 2 жыл бұрын
@@rmflores7096 AC Service Tech
@acservicetechchannel
@acservicetechchannel 3 жыл бұрын
I had a ton of fun teaching and joking with Bryan! Thanks for inviting me down for the collab!
@MaMa-qh4dy
@MaMa-qh4dy 3 жыл бұрын
Craig, it is so obvious that you totally enjoy what you are doing. Congrats!!!!
@megalomani4k
@megalomani4k 3 жыл бұрын
Great info for a newbie tech
@Livingcomfortinc
@Livingcomfortinc 2 жыл бұрын
Ac service tech is still my favourite channel out there ! 100%
@jashua2089
@jashua2089 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for everything, we love your channel and Bryans.
@matth.4932
@matth.4932 Ай бұрын
It's crazy and awesome to see you guys collaborating like this. Both you guys have been a great teacher and a blessing to the HVAC industry and guys. Great job and keep up the great work!
@TonyWadkins
@TonyWadkins 3 жыл бұрын
Without a doubt these two guys are changing the course of modern HVACR technician quality learning & development and away from old school beer can troubleshooting and repair.
@SSS-xq1lg
@SSS-xq1lg 9 ай бұрын
Working together is fantastic; two heads are better than one. Among the finest
@davem3789
@davem3789 2 ай бұрын
Most knowledgeable HVAC guys on KZbin!
@mehdibourha180
@mehdibourha180 3 жыл бұрын
Top 2 guys in the HVAC industry i learned a lot from you thank you for everything RESPECT
@Aevodude
@Aevodude 2 жыл бұрын
The reason I intend to replace my txt with a piston is the inherent low mtbf txvs have - pistons may be a little less efficient but they rarely if ever fail and that is far more comforting period
@kennethnapier131
@kennethnapier131 2 жыл бұрын
I had a customer that had a 16-seer 2-stage split system that I was called to for poor cooling. It was a 5-ton system and one of the past service company removed the TXV and put in a piston. And still without using the science of refrigeration the root problem had not been found. When this house was built, the system was somehow contaminated; likely no nitrogen used when braising. I determined the filter/dryer inside the condensing unit was plugged with an 8-degree temperature drop. I removed the filter in the condenser, and installed a new filter dryer at evaporator, installed a new TXV, recharged and tuned the system. The customer was extremely thankful since this was the first time since they owned the house to be able to keep it comfortably cool.
@ericvelasquez1282
@ericvelasquez1282 Жыл бұрын
Is this novel all about how you are such a super-duper AC tech?
@seroxide
@seroxide 3 жыл бұрын
I see bad TXV's all the time here in Texas. I've yet to find a bad piston.
@agx012
@agx012 3 жыл бұрын
Say it louder for the people taking notes
@gregorymalchuk272
@gregorymalchuk272 3 жыл бұрын
How does the reliability of the electronic expansion valve compare to thermal bulb expansion valves? It seems to me that the mechanical advantage of a stepper motor screwing the expansion valve in and out would be a lot better and more reliable (less likely to jamb) than a thermal expansion valve using refrigerant bulb to push the valve.
@redneckrebuilds777
@redneckrebuilds777 3 жыл бұрын
@@gregorymalchuk272 EEVs break a lot. Better have a spare at the store. Also failed EEVs will burn up the control board and can send crazy voltage on your com.
@MrGarcon98
@MrGarcon98 3 жыл бұрын
you said it buddy ,,,,right on
@Jakeofalltrades777
@Jakeofalltrades777 3 жыл бұрын
You’re not lying bro, replaced my first clogged piston a couple days ago, I been doing hvac in Texas for a few years. I have replaced multiple TXV’s.
@SKaKies2228
@SKaKies2228 3 жыл бұрын
Love this! When I started in this trade I watched all of acservicethech’s videos and hvacr school’s videos. Really enjoyed this collaboration between you guys!
@timrob0420
@timrob0420 3 жыл бұрын
Go tell John Israel that he has a whole video on why he thinks pistons are better. You guys rock
@lordjaashin
@lordjaashin 3 жыл бұрын
this isn't the video about which is better? txv or piston?? this video is about why shouldn't change a TXV system to piston.
@timrob0420
@timrob0420 3 жыл бұрын
@@lordjaashin isn’t that the same thing? John Israel was converting failed txv evaporators to pistons. I’m not knocking on him either, I have mad respect for him too. Just saying.
@lordjaashin
@lordjaashin 3 жыл бұрын
@@timrob0420 if he's changing TXV based systems to piston based system then he shouldn't be doing it
@timrob0420
@timrob0420 3 жыл бұрын
@@lordjaashin I agree with that unless I’d customer is in a bind money wise.
@MrGarcon98
@MrGarcon98 3 жыл бұрын
@@timrob0420 the less moving parts the less the problems period i am 67 retired back in millwright aprentice school we where told that very early and now that i turned wrenches ,welded and did all the above i would agree with you for that reason ,,,,stay safe people
@ATAInc1
@ATAInc1 26 күн бұрын
Good video. I don't understand why they do that but I've also been seeing it as well. TXV is often a victim of rustoleum crap that they put in millions of units.
@bravoactual5807
@bravoactual5807 3 жыл бұрын
Currently in HVAC school right now and this channel has been an excellent resource for me. Thank you for making these videos.
@stan-r
@stan-r 2 жыл бұрын
Hi, I maintain over 100 Rheem package units at our resort. The other day, I responded to a call where water was leaking into the ceiling. When I arrived, the evaporator coil and compressor were covered in ice. There is a lot of debate around the shop as to why this happened. Airflow was okay. The coil was clean and after thawing everything out, the blower motor didn’t have any problems pulling the filter panel closed on it’s own. Some of the technicians believe that the doors to the room below were the cause because they were open to the4 hallway, even though the hallway was being cooled by another package unit. The high side gauge was only about 10 degrees above ambient (104 / 115), and the low side gauge was around 42 degrees. I’m accustom to seeing the high side gauge around 30 degrees above ambient. The compressor was pulling 15amps on all three legs and the condenser coil was clean. I moved the TXV bulb outside the unit, and nothing changed with the low side press/temp which made me pause. Adding refrigerant didn't change anything either. There was 6 degrees superheat and almost 0 degrees of sub cooling, but package units are difficult to make accurate measurements because all the components are tucked away in the cabinet. I think something is wrong with the TXV, but I don't know how to make a positive diagnosis with a package unit. The other technicians believe, that the coil can still freeze even with 75 degree air is flowing through it. Any thoughts?
@ezchoicelab9904
@ezchoicelab9904 3 жыл бұрын
Do you think it might be a good idea to use thermal paste on bulb. To make sure it transfers heat.
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. Did you check out all the light coming through that interface?
@consaka1
@consaka1 3 жыл бұрын
That's what I was thinking. Honestly surprised that's not a standard practice.
@jashua2089
@jashua2089 2 жыл бұрын
Two masters together :D best video ever, please make more like this.
@dysfunctionalgamingveteran7753
@dysfunctionalgamingveteran7753 3 жыл бұрын
I normally do not replace a TXV with a piston. One of the few time was when I had 3 brand new TXV fail after replacing a evap coil. It was late and the supply house was closes.
@haroldbottom3474
@haroldbottom3474 3 жыл бұрын
Three brand new that failed TXVs or improper brazing methods.
@ColinRheem
@ColinRheem Жыл бұрын
Got a 4 ton system installed in my home this year in the Dallas, Tx area. Told the tech, don't even think about installing an evap coil with txv. When it's 106 degrees outside like it is today, I don't give a rats ass about efficiency.
@superd0fad0
@superd0fad0 3 жыл бұрын
Encouraging to see that 2 AC masters instead of competing to see who is better than the other. They are pooling their knowledge to help others.
@waynehuff8723
@waynehuff8723 3 жыл бұрын
Never had a piston fail
@mattluongo7763
@mattluongo7763 3 жыл бұрын
I've done it multiple ways. Replaced TXVs with pistons and vsversa. All comes down to the situation. I've also cleaned clogged strianers when other techs condemned the valve.
@johnjonz2472
@johnjonz2472 3 жыл бұрын
First Bosnian Bill with The Lock Picking Lawyer. Now this. Awesome!
@acrepairnearme
@acrepairnearme 3 жыл бұрын
Great, great collaboration. Properly!
@joshuawolfer9903
@joshuawolfer9903 3 жыл бұрын
Good explanation. One thing not mentioned, almost all systems are rated with a txv. If someone tries to cover poor install practices by installing a piston then the system isn't even rated and won't perform as intended. I've never had an issue with a txv on a system I installed. I have seen a 5 ton unit only provide 4 tons of cooling with a piston instead of a txv. Installers swapped it out instead of the factory installed txv. They are there on purpose. Thanks for the content.
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 3 жыл бұрын
Good man.
@consaka1
@consaka1 3 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing they used the wrong size. That's a very big difference.
@rodgraff1782
@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын
@@consaka1 A piston is no better than a capillary tube. It’s OK for systems that run at a fixed heat load. They can’t maintain superheat, or meter the proper amount of refrigerant according to the heat load. That’s the reason they are called a fixed restriction refrigerant control.
@sergiodjf
@sergiodjf 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! The explanation couldn’t be better 💯👏. Since the contact area between the TXV sensing bulb & coil outlet line is not optimal (because both are round-shaped), I think adding thermal paste could improve heat transfer for better temperature sensing. Kind of what happens with temp sensor probes & thermowells.
@b-2466
@b-2466 3 жыл бұрын
These are the two best hvac channels together in one. Love to know what these two do.
@NorCal-refrigeration
@NorCal-refrigeration 3 жыл бұрын
Refrigeration guys know TXV is way better than a piston or cap tube. Great video, Craig dose an awesome job.
@newkidontheblockism
@newkidontheblockism 3 жыл бұрын
For refrigeration yes, for residential AC it’s not necessary. I’ve done both for 15 years
@NorCal-refrigeration
@NorCal-refrigeration 3 жыл бұрын
@@newkidontheblockism agree as far as ease of use and less breakdown. But the TXV is there for efficiency ratings. Going green and no longer making enough electricity ⚡️ has utilities scrambling to get the overall load on the grid lower. We are devolving as a nation on stuff that used to be basically available to everyone.
@newkidontheblockism
@newkidontheblockism 3 жыл бұрын
@@NorCal-refrigeration funny, I was reading your comment thinking this guy must be from California then I read you name 😁
@NorCal-refrigeration
@NorCal-refrigeration 3 жыл бұрын
@@newkidontheblockism yep
@newkidontheblockism
@newkidontheblockism 3 жыл бұрын
I personally present it to my customers like this, “are you concerned with efficiency because you want a greener earth or do you want to save money?” If money is there concern, which it almost always is, then I let them know it’s more economical to purchase a base line model which will cool your house the same and have fewer repairs because the little bit of money you may save over the lifetime of your AC will be whipped out and then some by the cost of repairs.
@Holler_Rat
@Holler_Rat 2 жыл бұрын
Installed a new "Premium" packaged unit one year ago. Replaced the indoor txv today due to it failing. They're junk. I'd take a piston any day of the week.
@monroekunz2070
@monroekunz2070 3 жыл бұрын
Had 1 txv fail that I put in, in 40 years but have seen installers from different companies purge lines with freon and not use vac pump when installing new equipment.
@consaka1
@consaka1 3 жыл бұрын
They need to get in a different line of work where there sloppiness and lack of detail doesn't end up screwing over the customer.
@monroekunz2070
@monroekunz2070 3 жыл бұрын
@@consaka1 you know when you find a 8 year old compressor with a hole rotted through the can. It was never pumped down. Builder model in new construction at time of manufacture had 5 year parts warranty. Instslled by one of the largest company's in area.
@armandorodriguez6447
@armandorodriguez6447 3 жыл бұрын
Very seldom do I get an opportunity to listen to Two of the most knowledgeable HVAC instructor. Thank you
@scottkasper6378
@scottkasper6378 3 жыл бұрын
Great video! The other thing that makes Txv superior to a piston is that it can open more during hot conditions to let in more refrigerant than a fixed orifice could.
@zacgaylor1518
@zacgaylor1518 Жыл бұрын
Accumulator with piston :) keep it simple
@seroxide
@seroxide 3 жыл бұрын
Don't get me wrong. I understand that a correctly working TXV is better than a piston. My problem is I see a lot of TXV's that are poorly performing but not bad enough to justify the cost of replacing. A few years ago I went to a rent house with a 4 year old Payne unit with electric heat. It was a insufficient cooling call. Had high subcooling and superheat. I replaced the TXV after driving across town and waiting in line at the Carrier dealer. About 6 months later I get a insufficient cooling call from the property owner. Same condition as before. Replaced TXV under warranty this time I eat the labor, etc. Less than a year later, same damn thing. This time it got a piston conversion and I haven't been back since. Now when I replace a TXV I make it abundantly clear that the labor warranty last until my tire makes the first revolution. I always flow nitrogen when brazing and use good a evacuation process.
@rodgraff1782
@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын
I would not blame that on TXVs in general. Must have been a design problem with the valves, or you just had plain bad luck. It wasn’t your fault. I always used Sporlan or Alco valves, and never had a repeat problem in 45 years. Maybe you were using valves that were sold domestically, but were made in China.
@mitchellbarnow1709
@mitchellbarnow1709 2 жыл бұрын
Craig is awesome 👏! Thank you so much for sharing him on your channel.
@rodgraff1782
@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын
You also have a pressure drop in that line set, which is different than the pressure at the TXV bulb. To measure superheat accurately, there should be a tap at the bulb location, and the pressure and temperature should be taken there. That is what the valve is seeing. Bulb should never be mounted at the bottom of the pipe. Temperature will be affected by oil. Great video.
@georgekolos5255
@georgekolos5255 Жыл бұрын
Add in allowance for depending where your checking superheat on system
@ryanbrown5334
@ryanbrown5334 Жыл бұрын
TXVs help prevent refrigerant migration and flooding of the compressor when the system is off because of hard shut off and pressures not equalizing. This is why a hard start is recommended with TXVs especially in long line applications.
@rodgraff1782
@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын
Exactly. Three phase systems do not require the hard start kit though. Proper refrigerant control on the off cycle has saved many a compressor from flooded starts.
@georgekolos5255
@georgekolos5255 Жыл бұрын
Very true, but does not explain how many non TXV systems are still operating that have surpassed 40 years of doing already and are still going strong even through 100 degree days
@josephpuchel6497
@josephpuchel6497 2 жыл бұрын
Hello Your videos are very nicely structured tutorial A Plus rating. Im new at HVAC. Even though I diagnose home issues Im looking into installing a TXV into vehicles. Im experimenting right now It’s more a hobby.
@georgekolos5255
@georgekolos5255 Жыл бұрын
Regarding TXV bulb mountings. Put the little tailpiece so that any liquid refrigerant that may be in the buld doesn't settle in the little tailpiece section/ bend it upwards/ don't mount bulb vertically with that little tailpiece on the bottom?? At least I always am mindful about such
@charlesjackson9602
@charlesjackson9602 2 жыл бұрын
I use to replace TXV...with pistons all the time.....realiabity more important that effciency.....and you will probably have to replace a TXV...in 10 years....and just one change...will pay what little bit of energy saving you get with a TXV...salute to Goodman...for trying to keep Pistons in majority of there units...
@georgekolos5255
@georgekolos5255 Жыл бұрын
Government is making TXVs mandatory on all new AC systems :(
@charlesjackson9602
@charlesjackson9602 Жыл бұрын
@@georgekolos5255 Show me where its required to have a TXV...
@coldfinger459sub0
@coldfinger459sub0 3 жыл бұрын
Two of HVAC’s greatest educating mine combined to bring even more to our industry in higher education. I’ve always wanted to be an HVAC instructor College trade schools when I retire. By the time I get there you make my job easy I just have to refer to your videos and your books that you produce and just guide and instruct. Your content is so thorough and broad spectrum covering in detailed I cannot possibly do better. 👍👍👍
@Stuart68505
@Stuart68505 3 жыл бұрын
Re: the sensing bulb & proper heat transfer - in electronic applications they had & may still use a white paste to ensure good heat transfer between a metal enclosed semi conductor device like a power transistor and a heat sink device. That type of paste could help transfer heat from the copper tubing to the txv’s sensing bulb body.
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 3 жыл бұрын
You could see a bunch of light between the bulb and the line in this video. I wondered if that was considered acceptable.
@williamgildea8348
@williamgildea8348 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, you guys make a great teaching team. Great training video. Thank you , looking forward to seeing more in the future.
@jbaker8871
@jbaker8871 3 жыл бұрын
Never heard of this problem. Only complaint i have is difficulty finding amount of superheat required. 10° when in doubt has served well.
@grantbrown2432
@grantbrown2432 3 жыл бұрын
Pistons never fail but TXV‘s or more soothing to the system
@ed6837
@ed6837 3 жыл бұрын
Patching a small tube we used to put a piece of 1/4" OD over the tubing your patching male the 1/4" tubing long enough to staw away from the open ends. Heat the 1/4" on both ends and pinch it down and braze the ends
@eduardoacosta2315
@eduardoacosta2315 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much 2 Masters HV-AC SOLUTIONS 🙏 God bless you all Thank you again and for your Video
@GonzoDonzo
@GonzoDonzo 3 жыл бұрын
Im in california and in 17 years i only replaced a handful of txv's. Most times it wasnt installed properly and i just had to strap them in the proper position.
@MJ-iy4fb
@MJ-iy4fb 2 жыл бұрын
Good video, Brian you have a great voice for this stuff. I am a little confused, your title say "and why techs need to stop replacing them with a piston" but at 15-18 sec you said "and why you may not want to replace a piston with a TXV" did I miss something in the video or was that a mistake?
@dcl97
@dcl97 3 жыл бұрын
The problem I have with them is that their theoretical effeciency improvements don't line up with reality. I replaced the TXV in my own system with a piston, and comparing before and after runtime data on days of the same temperature I'm seeing a 2-5 percent loss in efficiency. Considering what I spend on cooling here in southern Michigan that's $15 a year. One service call on a TXV and any cost savings it gives the customer over the life of the equipment is gone. Not worth it. Now if I was in Florida or Arizona and I'm running my ac all day, all year I could see the advantage, but for people in the Northeast, Midwest... doesn't make sense.
@consaka1
@consaka1 3 жыл бұрын
I didn't see them give any efficiency specs comparing the two. I'll have to go back and watch again.
@cantor7723
@cantor7723 2 жыл бұрын
@@consaka1 That's the main point of them. Old systems from like the 90's had pistons. TXVs provide greater efficiency by controlling the flow of refrigerant. No doubt replacing a TXV with a piston uses more power, but in a low cooling area, the difference is minimal. For older clients on a fixed budget who normally get cold anyway, I recommend throwing in a piston instead of a txv replacement. It's cheaper to replace with a piston and more reliable. Sure it will use more power, but they don't use the AC much anyway - some keep the AC on 78 degrees.
@henrybonilla9651
@henrybonilla9651 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video Question About to make a hole on a refrigerant line. If I put nitrogen 50 psi and then drill a hole Will push out all the copper debris? Wearing PPE.
@FrostBlueFire
@FrostBlueFire 3 жыл бұрын
Put a little less, 50 psi will shoot those copper peels out. However 5-10 psi would probably be best
@toddhollman5674
@toddhollman5674 Жыл бұрын
LL driers should be installed just in front of the metering device anyway, per manufacturers instructions. Part of the job of the dryer is filtration to protect the TXV and is you install it out at the condenser you have all that line before the metering device.
@isaiahsgametube2321
@isaiahsgametube2321 2 жыл бұрын
both of you guys are amazing, learned alot from you both. KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
@ssb2865
@ssb2865 Жыл бұрын
Very nice. Learned a few key things. Thank you guys.
@scottbarnett5729
@scottbarnett5729 3 жыл бұрын
pistons save service calls he just said it when a txv fails when did you see the last piston fail?
@zack9912000
@zack9912000 3 жыл бұрын
agrees love pistons. Never had one fail, had new TXVs be bad out of the box or system oils react with seals in a txv killing them.
@resurgensix
@resurgensix 3 жыл бұрын
Love to learn from SoCool Wizards. You guys are a great team. Thanks for all your mentoring.
@gonzalomadero9848
@gonzalomadero9848 3 жыл бұрын
Greatest crossover so far this year!!
@donjohnson5172
@donjohnson5172 3 жыл бұрын
I’ve heard so many guys argue about the part at 10:00 where you say the tail needs to be mounted up in a vertical position. Why is that? What does it do?
@renecuevas4128
@renecuevas4128 2 жыл бұрын
Great svc to our industry....well explain by both of you....tnk u 👦
@ericharrison7545
@ericharrison7545 3 жыл бұрын
The only two channels I trust. Awesome !!!
@mohamedroomy1985
@mohamedroomy1985 2 жыл бұрын
It's great lesson. Very informative. Thank you sir
@Gameboy_Steve
@Gameboy_Steve 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video thanks again. Will share with the new guys at the shop
@wilfredovega577
@wilfredovega577 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Question? What is the allowable temperature drop across the inlet of txv and the outlet of it
@TheFoxygrandpa69
@TheFoxygrandpa69 Жыл бұрын
Most guys i know swap to piston cuz its "easier", and charge the same price as a txv repair. But ive seen undersized pistons get installed and single sided pistons get put on heat pumps. Just replace the TXV. Its super easy, less trouble, and if the system is 10yrs or older you'll know it wasn't debris clogging it. So the new one should last.
@17Grampa
@17Grampa 4 ай бұрын
Awesome video guys, thank you very much!
@nolannsautodetail5468
@nolannsautodetail5468 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for these great videos. Would love to see a video on how to install a un light hardwire. It correctly , thank you in advance
@isaiahsgametube2321
@isaiahsgametube2321 2 жыл бұрын
the dream team on deck
@donjohnson5172
@donjohnson5172 3 жыл бұрын
At 11:50, he says to run a rubbed thru EQ tube back into the suction line if there is room. He didn’t say what to do if it’s one of the distributor tubes has rubbed thru. Also, where the heck are you getting couplings that small? Never seen them before and have had many older guys tell me they don’t exist. It’s a very common problem to see and I’d love to have some input on how to handle that. I was so upset when you didn’t cover that lol.
@boywhohadatiger
@boywhohadatiger 2 жыл бұрын
Why does daikan/Goodman/Amana recommend adjusting the superheat? I think it’s odd I only see that you should adjust them for those units. But I’ve never adjusted one to see what would happen. And I’d that can fix a problem with the txv
@Pennconst101
@Pennconst101 3 жыл бұрын
General question. What issues if any would be created the TXV installed upside down?
@SovereignTroll
@SovereignTroll 3 жыл бұрын
The industry doesn't braze with N2, a reality many places. I saw it. Pistons are less sensitive so... Now I use N2 but I am sent to do electrical, too slow in others opinion.
@Anthony-g4q
@Anthony-g4q 7 ай бұрын
Good info from 2 knowledge techs.
@billbowles2380
@billbowles2380 3 жыл бұрын
Another argument against zip tie is that they won't conduct. Although minuscule a metal/copper clamp will help conduct temp into the txv bulb
@Stuart68505
@Stuart68505 3 жыл бұрын
Many helpful techniques and explanations. Thank you.
@HVACRTECH-83
@HVACRTECH-83 3 жыл бұрын
The liquid line filter drier is supposed to be installed at the inlet of the evaporator anyway. That's the only place I've ever installed them. If you read the installation instructions , that's where the manufacturer wants them
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 3 жыл бұрын
Right before the TXV?
@HVACRTECH-83
@HVACRTECH-83 3 жыл бұрын
@@tmst2199 yes
@rodgraff1782
@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын
@@HVACRTECH-83 filter dryer, then sight glass, then TXV. The sight glass helps to insure the TXV has a solid column of liquid, which is required for its proper operation.
@HVACRTECH-83
@HVACRTECH-83 Жыл бұрын
@@rodgraff1782 site glass isn't a required device. It's optional but not needed. Either way filter dryer belongs inside at the inlet to evaporator unless it's a heat pump system that has one in the outdoor section
@HVACRTECH-83
@HVACRTECH-83 Жыл бұрын
@@rodgraff1782 a site glass doesn't help ensure a solid column of liquid at the txv inlet. It only allows for observation of the state of the refrigerant flowing through it. Don't want anyone to be confused by your comment
@sheldonlionel8694
@sheldonlionel8694 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen the txv bulb mounted outside of the handler. Is that recommended?
@DM-kb3bi
@DM-kb3bi 3 жыл бұрын
WOW 2 Juggernauts of the Rap, i mean Hvac game! Love to see this collab. Very nice. I follow 2 of u guys. Nice man!
@consaka1
@consaka1 3 жыл бұрын
I would have liked more info on the piston and what it does and why the techs use them in place of the txv.
@rodgraff1782
@rodgraff1782 Жыл бұрын
It’s simply a fixed restrictor, who’s flow is dependent on the pressure difference between the inlet and outlet. A TXV can meter the proper amount of refrigerant to the evaporator, according to the heat load, and maintains superheat. Most TXVs require a minimum pressure difference of 100 lbs to work at full capacity. If you put a piston in place of a TXV, just because it is a simpler device, is not good practice. It is not only less efficient, it can also void the warranty, and cause other malfunctions. Most techs who substitute pistons for TXVs do so, because they don’t understand how TXVs work. I’ve had very few problems with TXVs as long as the system is clean, and installed properly.
@adamspears3819
@adamspears3819 3 жыл бұрын
When you say "CW" & "CCW" is that looking directly at the bottom of the TXV....or is that looking down at the head of the TXV?
@paulrozinski1488
@paulrozinski1488 3 жыл бұрын
Another fine / informative joint video. 👍. Thanks guys .
@phillipjoy8191
@phillipjoy8191 3 жыл бұрын
You got to love these 2 guys.Great videos 😜
@shine-cg9uf
@shine-cg9uf 3 жыл бұрын
Great video and very informative 👍. Thankyou n keep sharing knowledge much appreciated 👍
@seandbroward
@seandbroward 3 ай бұрын
I’ve read in some manuals that is says 8 inches from any bend does that make a difference?
@FrostBlueFire
@FrostBlueFire 3 жыл бұрын
I think a lot of older techs, or really, techs who don't like TXVs are just writing themselves out of a job. TXVs are basically the new normal, even for standard efficiencies. They typically work much better than pistons, all these failures? Lack of vacuums, to be quite frank. I've seen it happen, where guys pull a 10-20 min vac or do the purge. Of course pistons will survive, but not TXVs, nor the longevity of the unit. I used to be afraid of replacing TXVs, then I discovered the hot block or viper wetrag, made easy, done easy, pull a good vac, and I ain't ever back to replace it.
@jamesbianchini4718
@jamesbianchini4718 3 жыл бұрын
This is awesome. I have been watching you 2 for some years keep it up. 💯
@paulrozinski1488
@paulrozinski1488 3 жыл бұрын
Do either of you (Bryan, Craig) see a non-brazing technology coming down the pike anytime soon?? From what I’ve seen , the most difficult part of AC service is dealing with the system charge. It seems that every time you want to change a part (filter/dryer, TXV), you have to recover the charge. If our line sets were installed with threaded connections and “ isolation “ valves, you could possibly change parts with the system charged . Is this a pipe dream or do you see this as feasible ?? Comments welcome , thanks 👍.
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 3 жыл бұрын
I'm not a tech, but it doesn't seem like it would be possible to insert something back into the refrigerant line that doesn't contain any air.
@hinojosa552
@hinojosa552 3 жыл бұрын
Is the expansion valve normally open or closed position when system is off?
@martingates6501
@martingates6501 3 жыл бұрын
Is NO
@brunoshvac2578
@brunoshvac2578 3 жыл бұрын
It depends on the temperature of the bulb. It’s irrelevant where system is running. Txv don’t know the system is running. 1. It has a mechanical spring that is always trying to close the valve. 2. It has a head and sensing bulb full of refrigerant applying pressure in the opposite direction of the spring. So the warmer the bulb gets the higher the pressure of the refrigerant in the bulb and head get. So it applies pressure against the spring. Letting greater flow into the coil. To answer the question if it’s cold enough it’s closed. And if it’s warm enough it’s open. Makes no difference if system is on or off. 👍🏻
@hinojosa552
@hinojosa552 3 жыл бұрын
@@brunoshvac2578 yeah, liked your answer
@tmst2199
@tmst2199 3 жыл бұрын
Open.
@hinojosa552
@hinojosa552 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for your answer, I get now , very good explanation
@americanpie8059
@americanpie8059 3 жыл бұрын
@12:46, why couldn't you use a drill if the system has lost all of its refrigerant? For me, if I had to do the fix you all are mentioning, I would pull the whole coil and do it outside of the furnace and or the closet making sure that any of the copper shards would fall out of the suction line.
@consaka1
@consaka1 3 жыл бұрын
It's not always possible or feasible to pull a whole coil. Especially when their are ways of doing it that don't put contaminates into the line.
@edgar20109
@edgar20109 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!!! Thanks for teaching
@laythywbas
@laythywbas 3 жыл бұрын
I still don't get the equalization line job, if the bulb got warmer it will push the needle down to get more refrigerant, but now the equalizer tube will get more prussure and it will be pushing the needle back up !!
@jascam1
@jascam1 3 жыл бұрын
My newly installed Gman 3.5 H/P sweats on the A/H housing and a lot of water pool under the condenser. The tech replaced my TXV with piston in the attempt to rectify. The H/P works fine otherwise, what's with the extra water??
@AwakenedOne-qu
@AwakenedOne-qu 3 жыл бұрын
Well done !!
@legenderekfixes
@legenderekfixes 3 жыл бұрын
Is there any harm in using both together? That way if the Txv ever fails, the piston is already there to prevent what problems arise from the failed txv. 🤔🤷‍♂️⁉️
@mikefreedom5612
@mikefreedom5612 3 жыл бұрын
TXV is simply superheat controller device + expansion metering device at the same time
@georgekolos5255
@georgekolos5255 4 ай бұрын
If possible I will always go with a piston type metering device for residential AC. They fail after x amount of years always/ guaranteed to eventually fail. Same reason of why if we ever find a failed one that we do our best to replace with a fixed orifice. The 1/2 supposed SEER efficiency simply is not worth it for anyone if/ when thier TXV fails How about so many places that your stuck with an old 1/4" / 5/8" lines set that you can't change/ no one upgrades to correct size and also no one talks about how such affects a new systems performance/ efficiency and maybe also life span of new system?
@10speed4
@10speed4 Жыл бұрын
is refrigerant at its coldest as it exits the TXV - and begins to heat up when it enters th evaporator coil?
@edwinjewell5359
@edwinjewell5359 3 жыл бұрын
2 Great Havac Techs
@williamfabiano543
@williamfabiano543 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge
@glorygloryhallelujah
@glorygloryhallelujah 3 жыл бұрын
Great lesson.
@Xaerorazor0
@Xaerorazor0 3 жыл бұрын
Just happened by your channel (Thanks YT), I have a question in RE to the Bulb not making the best contact, would a thermal grease/patch, like what is used on CPU heat sinks, be a way to better improve contact between less than straight surfaces?
@Kevin-ib4gv
@Kevin-ib4gv 3 жыл бұрын
Personally I would not use it. It could eventually dry out and cause some type of insulation between the two. Scotch Brite both bulb and suction line completely clean and shiny, and mount the bulb at 11:00 or 2:00 position or whatever the TXV manufacturer recommends and you're good to go.
@donnierobertson3088
@donnierobertson3088 3 жыл бұрын
Great job and video like always
@MrGarcon98
@MrGarcon98 3 жыл бұрын
maybe someone can give me their opinion on this ,,,,,ok i am retired age 67 i have an old heat pump that i keep in as good shape as i possibly can ok ,,,,i have r22 in storage about 50 lbs of it ,,,,i was wondering if it would be worth while to buy a 410 A system change out the txv for a r 22 and go that way ,,,,instead of dealing with a high pressure not as good as r22 ? thanks for all your teachings its all good anytime ,,,,
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