Maaate. That was another great knowledge drop. The final clean up was very impressive. Thanks for showing those techniques. Defo the best Luminar teacher out there!!!
@reverencehunting Жыл бұрын
That tip about closing the tool and reopening it to create a log of the history is absolutely GOLD!!! Thank you so much!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Very welcome!
@flookoco2008 Жыл бұрын
I’ve dabbled with photo editing for years but this video taught me so much about the use of clone and edit tools, thank you Anthony.
@Pondou Жыл бұрын
Apart from being a great tutorial. you managed to get a very nice personal touch too! Say hi to your very understanding better half!
@davidr910411 ай бұрын
What a game changer! I absolutely needed a way to rescue a sunrise photo taken through a window (3 suns!). Fantastic tutorial!
@roderickmclean9927 Жыл бұрын
Anthony, thanks for the EXCELLENT tutorial. I’m sure a lot of followers will thank you also for your simplistic approach to teaching the confused.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Roderick!
@bgovan64 Жыл бұрын
Anthony, One of the best tutorials for Clone/Stamp. Great for someone who has used in the past like myself and for those new. Simply brilliant. And yes the ‘Cmd Z’ function is a necessity with this tool. Let’s hope Skylum listens and implements or at least tells us whether they will or not.
@johndwilliams Жыл бұрын
I've struggled with the more advanced Photoshop techniques and your videos have made me realise that Neo is a credible alternative for what I do. Your videos are detailed and easy to follow and the only ones I watch concerning Neo. I enjoy your architecture videos, too. If I had been younger I would have loved to have followed that path. I even have a tilt/shift lens for my Sony!
@jimroberts6336 Жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, Over the last few years, I've appreciated your teaching so very much. A very special THANK YOU for your explanation of the CLONE tool. I have clone tool from an older pro Microsoft program that includes an UNDO tool but it wasn't nearly as comprehensive as this one. Your comments about matching corners and the concept of the geometry of items in the image is greatly appreciated. Your simple explanation of closing the tool and re opening to eliminate loosing everything was really important. THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR EXCELLENT IDEAS.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jim! Really appreciate your kind feedback!
@Onkeldoc1234 Жыл бұрын
Fading the overlook Slider with one click is huge! Love it, thanks so much for the tip.
@sigurdrille9693 Жыл бұрын
A perfect video for this long sought after tool👏! Thank you, Anthony, entertaining as always 🙂 And yes, I certainly miss “undo” also….
@frankdevita7667 Жыл бұрын
Anthony that was absolutely excellent! The various techniques you demonstrated has certainly given me a better grasp of its proper use. As for closing and reopening the tool throughout the process I find that it is not unlike working in a series of layers. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge and skills!
@Mightymoose02Ай бұрын
Great tutorial. UNDO is luckily implemented now.
@tomprzytula Жыл бұрын
This is pure magic! Can wait to try it at home. Thank you Anthony!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
You're welcome Tom
@jeffdegregorio7391 Жыл бұрын
Great that Luminar Neo can do this now - even better than before in the past! BTW Anthony, all your videos ROCK! Thank you for the great videos you create for us! I have learned a lot from them. I would also make a shout out for Jim Nix and all the rocking videos he's done too.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jeff. I'm glad you've enjoyed them. And yes, Jim rocks it too! Great guy, great videos.
@philclaytonphotography11 ай бұрын
Thanks Anthony this is excellent news and I am looking forward to doing some awesome cloning this Winter!!
@wa8khp-468 Жыл бұрын
EXCELLENT. I believe U are the best Luminar Neo YT photo editor! I have watched many of them. Your understanding of Neo and the creative way U approach a problem are amazing, U always explain the options and show several ways to solve the editing function. Thanks and looking forward to your next YT vid.
@Centauri2711 ай бұрын
I've used Clone tool in both Photoshop and Luminar, but as usual I pick up many useful practical tips from you, Anthony! This is an excellent refresher course. And great workaround to overcome their lack of undo! I had assumed there was undo, as I'm so used to this history in LR and PS.
@AnthonyTurnham11 ай бұрын
Thanks Carl. Thankfully undo has been added since this video was made.
@macsprotte1436 Жыл бұрын
Another great demonstration. One of the go to channels regarding Skylum products
@kenalexander8714 Жыл бұрын
An excellent video Anthony with lots of expert advice and tips, especially shutting down the tool in case of mistakes. Very useful tool thats been a while coming, but still not fully complete without the Ctrl Z.
@peteschenck9655 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant video once again! Your method of instructing is second to none. Thank you!
@clarashook3398 Жыл бұрын
This was a fantastic tutorial! Thank you so much for covering these basic Luminar Neo tools. It was incredibly helpful, and I hope you'll keep doing these tutorials.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Clara. Glad it was helpful! The channel supporters are slowly growing and that certainly helps me justify the time creating the free content :)
@TLeightonWomack Жыл бұрын
Great tip to close the clone tool down often. Hopefully, they will come out with the control Z soon for it.
@tabbycatman Жыл бұрын
Another excellent video! I second all the previous comments, I couldn't improve on any of them. Many thanks Anthony.
@tonymurphy9112 Жыл бұрын
So Cool, thanks for showing us 🤗
@emeregildo100 Жыл бұрын
Quite aumusing Anthony! Cool video!
@guysingleton3908 Жыл бұрын
Never been impressed with the clone tool before, now I know it was because I wasn't using it properly. Thanks for a superb tutorial once again.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Guy!
@bySterling Жыл бұрын
Fantastic vid and showcase AT!
@colinmelhuish1254 Жыл бұрын
So well done. Really showed the way. Thanks for posting.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
No trouble Colin. Thanks.
@ivanfojan8859 Жыл бұрын
Great video mate and a good save at the end with the missus :p
@DroningaboutIreland Жыл бұрын
Superb Anthony you made it look easy and top tip about closing the tool down each time so you don't lose the lot if you make a mistake, thank you 👍
@johncameron6853 Жыл бұрын
Can't thank you enough for that vid Anthony, it's just what I was looking for👌, your missus is a good sport by the way 10/10 for her👏
@joshuadanger904 Жыл бұрын
really appreciate this video! Good tip on closing out the clone tool to hardcode the changes. Thanks!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@MCCC72-77 Жыл бұрын
Anthony, thank you so much for your help on this tool. I’m so glad they added this back to Neo, as using the erase tool only was starting to get old and tiresome.
@jwp2166 Жыл бұрын
The most helpful clone tutorial ever! Many thanks.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks
@EricGross Жыл бұрын
Terrifically helpful video. Thanks so much!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
You're welcome Eric
@dizzydisciple Жыл бұрын
Epic intro lol. Thanks for this, bro.
@michaelhale416 Жыл бұрын
You make it look so easy. Love the tips about matching lines. This will open up a whole new phase in editing for me. Thanks!!!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Michael. You'll find it easy too with a bit of practice.
@scubarocks1861 Жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony, thanks for the tips... Power man!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Any time!
@MrJohnnyMel Жыл бұрын
That looks very satisfying, thanks Anthony clear, precise and entertaining as usual
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks John. I'm not sure who Andrew is, but I'll take the kudos anyway 😜👍
@MrJohnnyMel Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham haha! Just successfully used the cloning tool to sort that out 😅 sorry
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
@John Melhuish Haha. All good John! 😜
@ThomasSielaff Жыл бұрын
Such great instructions!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Cheers Thomas.
@arpearce4416 Жыл бұрын
Anthony, again I've learnt so much! thank you
@mkwalk2385 Жыл бұрын
Another great tutorial! Thanks Anthony.
@ekpunjabi38 Жыл бұрын
Loved it !
@DirtyCuttinScoundrel Жыл бұрын
really appreciate your content you're the only one that dos a great job explaining and showing, and u sound like book on tape lol
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
🤣 Book on tape! I've not had that one before!
@bramelsheretan Жыл бұрын
thinking about the history states, I actually think Neo has a nice system, providing you remember to activate another instance of the tools used.
@phillipsheridan Жыл бұрын
Fantastic tutorial. Thanks...
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
You are welcome!
@jlopez7596 Жыл бұрын
Well done as usual! I tend do this in PS because the erase tool in NEO seems to crash or takes 10 minutes to render. I will definitely try this to see if it offers better results. But yes ctrl z is absolutely necessary.
@ArminHirmer Жыл бұрын
Great one
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Armin
@philyoung4804 Жыл бұрын
Brilliant and very useful. Thanks.
@Sven-R Жыл бұрын
This was really useful! Thanks!
@jerrycurtis98 Жыл бұрын
I think Skylum is digging a hole for itself with that Extension package. I paid $107 for the program, but I'm not going to pay $179+ for the Extensions. Those features should have been included in the program. Adobe and others put improvements into their updates. Maybe I would buy individual Extensions for $25 each, if that were a possibility - maybe. I wonder if they thought about what features to leave out of the base program so they could charge for them later. I like your tutorials - very informative.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Jerry. Yeah, maybe we'll see the extensions split out into individual purchases in the future...
@robertmeyerson1618 Жыл бұрын
Thanks !! Very helpful.
@2020Decoder Жыл бұрын
Thank you for this great vid Anthony. I had a go with the NEO trial last week (FYI, I tried your code at checkout and it didn't do anything, which I've informed Skylum about and they sent me their own code so you may want to look into that) - I couldn't believe there wasn't an undo button, let alone the ability to use CTRL+Z.....it beggars belief! Hopefully soon though!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Tim. Hmmm, interesting about the code. Yes I'll reach out to Skylum and check on that. I know sometimes if there's currently a promotion already running it supercedes any codes. Cheers for pointing that out!
@yeungeric6347 Жыл бұрын
Hi Tony, I don't know if there is a bug in this version. After you have done your clone works, if you click to the Catalog, click develop tool and back to the clone tool, your previous clone works are all gone. Is it that difficult to create an "Apply Button" in the clone tool to fix this..........
@themarksmanABP Жыл бұрын
The one issue with the clone tool in neo is this... you can't flip a clone or rotate the sampled area like you can in photoshop. I do dog photography and lead removal can be a nightmare if you cannot flip or rotate the sampled area. For example, a dogs body has curves on hind legs, head, neck etc. When doing lead removal, only working with existing directional lines from a sampled area won't always cut it. They just need to introduce the flip and rotate feature and it would be perfect
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
That would be a good addition to the tool!
@andyreynoldsiprovid133 Жыл бұрын
I was going to say the same thing. We need rotate and flip on the clone tool.
@felixthecat1882 Жыл бұрын
Hi Anthony! Great video on the clone and stamp tool! Yes, I now have it! I often get it wrong when trying to erase some items using the clone & stamp tool, thanks for the tips on matching up similar areas to clone. 😾 Say Hi to your wife, it seems you are introducing your family on your videos - great!!! 😸 By the way, was that steam train in New Zealand or from elsewhere? Regards from Felix the Cat. 🐱
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks FTC. Yes, it was a steam train from NZ South Island. It's maintained by volunteers. I'll say hi to wifey!
@jean-mariedesreumaux3444 Жыл бұрын
merci, tuto très bien expliqué et documenté, bravo
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Merci beacoup 😀
@rustybinges3263 Жыл бұрын
What could be done about the people reflections on the train? I only noticed in one area. Wonderful tutorial! Very helpful!
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
The erase tool could probably handle that. There are passengers... perhaps it's them you can see through the window?
@RichardsWorld Жыл бұрын
I swear the older versions on Luminar had object removal or spot healing brush.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
It still has erase which uses AI to calculate what it thinks should be in the areas you remove. Maybe you're thinking of that. It's similar to a spot healing brush.
@MrFirstdance2000 Жыл бұрын
I'm really not liking it yet. I was use to using the clone tool that Photoscape XPro has and there's no delay and I click on and off without having to go back and reset it each area of the pic I want to delete something. Now, let it be said that it's new and perhaps I've not gone around the learning curve enough, yet. I'll rewatch yours and one more to see if its something simple I'm missing! Thank you, though, for your invaluable tutorials!
@phlotographer Жыл бұрын
MFD -- nice to see someone else using PSX Pro. The one thing I have not good in the program is their cloning but likely I just am not doing things correctly. Would be nice if someone created a tutorial related to this topic. I have NEO and with a new super duper computer I likely will soon start using it although I do like PSX and have created my own user manual and if I can figure out how to use cloning better will have to add a section to it. I view everything I can for both all of the Skylum Luminar iterations as well as PSX Pro but there is just a lacking of tutorials for PSX at the moment. Like the ability to do text etc plus frames. Hope to see a response because I have not been viewing tutorials for about 9 months since being hospitalized 2 months and more time learning to walk again after an auto accident plus redoing my system after my son created an excellent computer for this old goat.
@rather-reverend Жыл бұрын
Hope the Missus didn't catch you before you made the lovely lady disappear! ;-)
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
😬😄
@ronwilson9855 Жыл бұрын
Love it, Love it, Love it. The tip about going out and back in to clone is so good, I had use the clone tool in Ai, but that doesn't work, is it possible to relocate the target cross? there are times when I wanted to clone a specific part useing A1 then clone the other side of the picture and it kept picking up were the target had moved to, or is this an Ai issue and not a Neo?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thanks Ron! Yes it's working as it should. It will always take its reference based from the initial target UNTIL you hold alt/option and click somewhere else. That changes the source point.
@peterkilfoyle2756 Жыл бұрын
Anthony, can the cloning be done with all photos or just raw photos?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
All photos Peter. Unlike me, I was actually editing a jpeg in this one.
@Hillol Жыл бұрын
Nice video Anthony. Great learning again. Your wife is beautiful. My best wishes to her.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much!
@angusyuen44853 ай бұрын
great tutorial video. Could you provide guidance on how to remove the cage wires in front of the animal. I've attempted GeneErase and Erase without success. I took picture of bald eagle behind the fence.
@AnthonyTurnham3 ай бұрын
Maybe something for a future video. Thanks for the suggestion.
Жыл бұрын
Hi. I'm using Luminar Neo as a plugin for Photoshop. I am not convinced of the benefits of AI of Neo. Cloning and erasing looks like poor version of competitive tools in Photoshop (and some other applications). Can you tell some words about getting benefits of Neo's AI?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Marek, I've covered this in several videos already. If you have PS and are comfortable with it then no reason to change. If you're just getting started, NEO (rather than AI) is a really great choice.
@wrightbytes8 ай бұрын
Is there a way to reset the clone tool without clicking clone again and resetting everything within clone. Im talking if you want to clone a few different areas and gen erase wont work. Thanks
@makeva100 Жыл бұрын
Can you tell me something abort the neu program from Luminar: Skylum IMGMI?
@JanWright Жыл бұрын
ANyone having problems with latest release open an image it closes edit a photo it closes if you try and export it says proccesing and locks up tried on a few pc all the same
@davidusprich4017 Жыл бұрын
Great video! I was able to remove several distracting items from some photos. Is there a way to move (scroll) the photo in NEO? I know there is the smart zoom but it's not super easy to get the photo sitting where you want it to make some cloning edits, especially at the edges. Maybe I'm missing something??
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Yeah sure, so just hold the space bar, click and drag. You'll be able to scroll around when you're zoomed in.
@davidusprich4017 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham Thanks!
@grahamtowers5513 Жыл бұрын
I've tried this on a photo containing cattle in a field with a wire fence across the bottom of my photo, I decided to clone the grass to remove the fence as these cattle had very long horns and I wanted it to look like they weren't fenced in as I cloned across the fence it brought in the legs and hooves of some cattle, I hadn't even selected thier hooves just a patch of grass, I gave up tryng in the end as it wasn't working
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
You may have had the feathering of the brush too high and therefore picking up and replicating the pixels in the periphery without realising. Perhaps try resampling (alt + click / opt + click on mac) new areas as you go too. In my experience it's a really reliable way to patch up an image and remove unwanted distractions. I'd give it another try.
@grahamtowers5513 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham Tried again with a different picture & got exactly the same result, clone doesn't work. I have no idea what you mean with feathering, I'm just not good at editing
@davidparker71567 ай бұрын
can you clone from one picture to another picture?
@lifeofluke6279 Жыл бұрын
Hi, do you watermark your photos when you send them over to a client for proofing, would you recommend it for me to do. I am starting my own air bnb photography business. Sorry for all my questions :)
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Luke. Yes, I watermark my proofs. Low res, watermark and border that contains the filename. That serves 2 purposes. Easy reference and harder to use.
@lifeofluke6279 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham Thank you, once they have decided the proofs they like and you have to do a full edit on them, do you then watermark the final photos for them to have a final say if thry are going to buy them and then you send them the final version without a watermark
@julioestebanperezescudero6246 Жыл бұрын
When dealing with perspective in Photoshop there is vanishing point. Does Luminar have a similar tool when dealing with stronger perspective?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
You cam adapt perspective with the transform tool within develop but it's not the same as the VP tool in Photoshop.
@julioestebanperezescudero6246 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham Thanks for your clarification. 🙏
@JuanPerez-sv8qs Жыл бұрын
Thank you for yet another great tutorial. Lamentably my MacBook Pro with M1 Pro chip couldn’t handle this. There was a delay of 15-30 seconds after every single clone pass making the use of this tool horrid. The program did crashed and my laptop ran out of ram (50 Gb). This was the only thing running on my 6 months old computer. Am I missing any settings to get Neo to run smoothly? As it is now this feature is useless on my machine. Please advise.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Juan. I'm not sure what's going on there. I'm only running 32gb of RAM on a 3yr old machine but it's fine. I'd reach out to skylum support and discuss along with your MacBook specs.
@JuanPerez-sv8qs Жыл бұрын
I restarted my system and check its properties. I have 16 Gb of ram on chip. Machine must be using virtual ram up to 50 Gb. I tried the clone tool again. It doesn’t do anything now. Zero function.
@JuanPerez-sv8qs Жыл бұрын
Good day Anthony. Out of frustration I left my computer off for the past 2 days. I tried Luminar NEO and the clone stamp tool again today and… now it works exactly as it is supposed to. I have no explanation. Again, thank you for your excellent tutorials!
@RJMCTV Жыл бұрын
Hello. Am considering getting Luminar, but surprised this is being billed as a 'new' feature in 2022. I realise this is not Photoshop.. but haven't tools like this been available in PS for many many years? It's kind of putting me off getting Luminar, in that now wondering if this app is not up to speed as other modern photo editing apps, if cloning is something that is very new for Luminar? Can you reassure me?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hiya. Yeah it was a bit of an odd one, but Luminar put a lot of faith in their erase technology which uses AI to do what cloning does manually. However, cloning is still a better option and finally it made its way back into NEO. I wouldn't let this put you off though as most of their other technology is excellent and they're often being followed. For example the AI sky replacement was in Luminar long before Photoshop. The enhance AI has been mimicked by other apps. The clone tool was an anomaly. Hope that helps 😀
@RJMCTV Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham perfect..and yep makes sense. I am definitely going to give Luminar Neo a go. Nothing to lose, as they offer a 30 day money back, and it's not that expensive either on the monthly plan, to give it a try. Thanks
@elisestewart6202 Жыл бұрын
How do I do just you basic 1 step undo… Command + Z or Control + Z in Lumina Neo ?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
As I mention in the video, for some reason this function has currently been overlooked.
@leotrotzky Жыл бұрын
Without undo-redo Command-Z, this tool is incomplete. Any idea when this will be coming?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Danny. I've posed the question and am currently waiting to hear back. The closing of the tool and opening a new instance is a satisfactory workaround for saving history states in the meantime.
@donaldturnbull654 Жыл бұрын
I can't seem to get the Clone tool to work on my laptop. It is a Dell Inspiron 7500 2n1 with 16 GB of ram and Windows 11. I click on the source but I can't get it to actually paint anything. Can you help?
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Donald. Not sure why that would be I'm afraid. Try the Skylum help desk, they may know something I don’t. Best of luck!
@laurastreetmedia5299 Жыл бұрын
Have you ever made a luminar video about how to deal with the multi gigs of data that builds up after editing photos because it saves each single thing you do as a separate picture? I think when the file gets too full, it crashes and then I have to make a new folder for it and lose things. This has happened multiple times. Love the program, just this stuff is not cool.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Laura. I'm not sure what you mean by "it saves each single thing you do as a separate picture". Where is it saving these pictures to? Are you on Mac or PC? Thanks.
@laurastreetmedia5299 Жыл бұрын
@Anthony Turnham thanks, I'm not real tech savy. As far as I can tell It saves each edit as a separate file in the luminar folder on my windows PC. I have had to clear it a few times because one time it was 20G! Hope that helps.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
@@laurastreetmedia5299 Hi Laura. I'm going to take a guess that you've found the catalogue's previews folder. At a glance it'll look like a few versions of every image. If you catalogue has a lot of photo, even though these previews are smaller in dimensions and filesize, they can quickly add up. 20gb isn't unusual. Personally to avoid bloated catalogues I prefer to create seperate catalogues for my different genres. Family, landscape, architecture etc. sometimes even making new catalogues just for specific jobs.
@laurastreetmedia5299 Жыл бұрын
@Anthony Turnham yes, that is it. I'm really surprised at how crippling this was for my computer data and wasn't aware of it before I purchased it, but i really love luminar these last few years and will stick with it because I don't think I'm capable of learning the more technical programs and your tutorials are showing me even more than I thought was able to be done with it. Excellent channel. Thanks for the replies.
@geofffoote1146 Жыл бұрын
This seems to be a very basic implmentation of clone & stamp. No setting to make the source non-aligned &, as has been mentioned many times, no ctrl-z to undo the last strokes.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
Hi Geoff. Thanks for the comment. Just checking what you mean about making the source non-aligned? Cheers.
@geofffoote1146 Жыл бұрын
@@AnthonyTurnham Hi Anthony, in Affinity Photo there is an aligned source option which can be checked or unchecked. When selected (default), the origin of the sample remains a fixed distance from the pointer. If this option is off, the origin of the sample always returns to the sample location defined initially. This can be useful at times to avoid repeated reselection of the clone source.
@AnthonyTurnham Жыл бұрын
@@geofffoote1146 Ah, yes. Thanks for clarifying. I know exactly what you mean.
@kirisuma21863 ай бұрын
well I know that there was a pole, cause you forgot to remove the shadow of the pole :-P
@AnthonyTurnham3 ай бұрын
Well spotted! :)
@andyreynoldsiprovid133 Жыл бұрын
So can you clone a wife? Asking for a friend.
@nicholsceramiccoating8284 Жыл бұрын
What happened to our masks?????? Why do we have to go back into the edits to get them?????