How To Renounce Your Malaysian Citizenship

[@upbeatmantis86]

I remembered filing up the borang K in putrajaya in 2016. There was a notebook indicating those who have renounced. I saw all the names where chinese, i was the only malay in that page. When i look to my left there was a big queue for those trying to get malaysian citizenship. They were mostly migrants from bangladesh, myanmar etc . That moment really hit me. Thought provoking and really thinking anout my future, my family and Malaysia future. Epf withdrawal was done within 3 days. So yes, the author of this video is 100 % correct.

[@imraphraph]

Wow you had express epf withdrawal! Mine took longer. Yea the demographic of Malaysia in the future would be very different. Thats just reality, same with Australia lots of asians here now as well

[@upbeatmantis86]

@@imraphraph yup at least the asians they took in have undergone various stages of filtering and requirements. They encourage migration and take the best which i agree.

[@cheenenbeh4294]

Did you get another citizenship before you renounced your Malaysian citizenship? How did you leave Malaysia without your Malaysian passport? Thank you.

[@upbeatmantis86]

@@cheenenbeh4294 got passport from Australia. Leave airport with Australian passport, reach malaysia, use malaysia passport (use the biometric gate if possible). Renounce citizenship in malaysia, msia gov took my Ic and passport, then got out of Australia with aussy passport. If you want to remain undetected, always enter and exit malaysia with malaysian passport.. if you do it wrongly, you’ll be questioned.

[@cheenenbeh4294]

@@upbeatmantis86 i see. You already got your Australian Passport. So, you didn’t have any problem but I haven’t got my German passport yet. I’ll have to renounce my Malaysian citizenship. Then, I can get my German passport. I’m just worried if I renounced my citizenship in Malaysia and I can’t leave it to Germany as I won’t have my passport anymore.

[@lunalove3093]

This has been very helpful, thank you so much

[@imraphraph]

@@lunalove3093 glad it helped

[@jouelt-i8r]

Hi Raphael. When you made the appointment on MyJanjiTemu, did you choose the time slot when you expect to arrive at JPN; or the time you expect to be seen by the Semakan Officer? Thanks.

[@imraphraph]

Yes I did, I chose a time. I picked a schedule that allowed me ample time to arrive

[@JCGoh-gp4oo]

Hi Raphael, THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT INFO. What would happen to your existing bank account? Do we need to close all of them?

[@imraphraph]

Its funny because after I submitted my renunciation, I withdrew all my money and updated the bank to my new passport using my renunciation letter. I withdrew most of my money and funny after that I lost access to my bank account after a few months. So my guess is no, but I my story may just be unique.

[@KianFong-gk6bu]

Hi, If I travelled back to malaysia using my US passport and renounced my citizenship in Putrajaya, do I have to stay for 3-14 days to get the letter ? Once I submitted the paperworks in JPN, can I just leave malaysia using US passport without any problem ? ( I was told JPN will issued a receipt as proof) ? I can only stay in malaysia for 7 days. also You mentioned there is office of commissioner of oath inside the Putrajaya JPN building correct ? I was told by the Malaysia Consulate in New York, JPN can send the renunciation letter to the embassy in new york and the embassy will then contact me for pick up later on. Also for the expediate process for 3 days , do I need to pay extra ? Your early response is very much appreciated, thank you Kian

[@imraphraph]

Hey Kian, I would assume that if you came in with the US passport then you will be able to move in and out freely. You can also ask them to expedite the process when you submit the application imat Putrajaya. Yes there is a commissioner of oaths inside the office at Putrajaya. If you were to do it from an embassy I was told my their staff that it could take up to 6 months to receive your documents. Hope this helps.

[@SparkyBites]

May I ask for more detail for why you renounced? Is the country going in a direction you don't agree with but Australia is?

[@imraphraph]

Not really, I just felt since I got married and had a baby I would love to return home to Australia as my formative years during high school and uni were there. As I have experienced life there I felt it was better to raise my daughter in Aus. Theres no right or wrong its just preference. Plus having two passports can complicate things and I did not want any problems for my family in the future. In Australia they don’t look at whether you have a degree or not, as long as you work hard life will be great here.

[@SparkyBites]

@@imraphraph Hey thanks for your reply. That makes a lot of sense, cheers! ^^

[@yuvenmuniandy8202]

@@imraphraph I like the part when you said to "give what belongs to Caesar, to Caesar and what belongs to God, to God".

[@leealex24]

@@imraphraph It's quite gutsy to give up, I know many Malaysian who remained aussie pr's for long time but, I guess at some point and a long one that is, you would think that's the best choice.

[@daisuke910]

@@leealex24 True. If things go smoothly, I might apply for UK PR since it is easy to stay and enter the country as well as finding works with not require all the visa hoops (though Malaysian passport allow visiting and staying for 6 months per year, so not a hassle for those who wants to stay for limited time). I dont want to renounce my Malaysian citizenship whatsoever. Just wondering if he married to an Aussie? Which make sense.

[@SiewCheah-nm5qm]

Thank you Raphael .. can I renounce my citizenship at the Consulate Office in the US ? I do not have the Malaysia Passport since 2002… can I still renounce my citizenship

[@imraphraph]

Yes you can

[@venaf022]

Hey Raphael, just wanna check how long it would take for the whole process of the renounciation from the start to the end of ther process.

[@imraphraph]

For mine it took a few weeks, including submitting the application to withdraw EPF. But at Putrajaya you can ask for it to be expedited. I have known other expats who did the expedited route. They can get it done within days after submission of documents.

[@emilylin1733]

Thanks Raphael for your very informative video. One quick question here, is the National Registration Department located at No 20, Persiaran Sultan Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Shah? From the temu janji drop down list, I should click on JPN W. P Putrajaya? Sorry, I just needed to be very sure. Thanks 🙏🏻

[@imraphraph]

Hey its the one in Putrajaya if it is on the list then that is the one sorry for the late reply

[@irislats8743]

Thanks so much for putting up this video. Any idea if I can pull up the form “K” from the JPN website for printing? Also, can I update my birth certificate (I’m holding the older version) at a foreign consulate or must I do it in Malaysia?

[@imraphraph]

Form K has got to be original so best to pick up at a Malaysian consulate, same goes for birth certificate. All the best!

[@skinnycheesy]

Hi Raphael, thanks for the video. Did it take 8 months for borang K to come back to you only you can use that for EPF withdrawal?

[@imraphraph]

Nope it took like 14 days because I was in Malaysia to pick it up. If you are overseas it can take as long as 6months +

[@skinnycheesy]

@@imraphraph u picked up the approved boring k from kwsp?

[@imraphraph]

@@skinnycheesy from Putrajaya main office ya

[@skinnycheesy]

It’s only 14 days theory approved boring K is ready?

[@kc86]

I have the old birth certificate, and now I'm living in the US. How can I update my old birth certificate to the new version from foreign country?

[@imraphraph]

Visit your nearest Malaysian consulate or embassy to have it updated. They should be able to show you the way.

[@TheQuarkQuark]

is it necessary to update my old birth certificate? Can't i just give them the old one?

[@imraphraph]

That was what I initially thought. But when I went there they wanted to see the new birth certificate. Then again you could just renew it on the spot before renouncing on the same day.

[@kimisteriousss03]

Hey Raphael, what an insightful and very helpful video as I am opting to become a Canadian 🇨🇦 citizen soon due to personal reasons. But I got a little confused at that part when you said to renounce Malaysian citizenship you must hold a foreign passport for ease of process. So does that mean I have to hold a Canadian citizenship first before I renounce my Msian citizenship? But then again wouldn't the Canadian government question my current citizenship?

[@imraphraph]

If Canada allows dual like Australia it doesn’t matter. Its an issue only on the Malaysian side

[@frechelltsai1585]

hi, do i enter with my US Passport or Malaysia Passport? Can you explain to me about the Enforcement Department? Are you saying I can't leave KL till i get my renounce latter? Can i even travel to Thailand for instance while waiting for the letter?

[@imraphraph]

Hey Frechell, what you could do is to enter with your American passport then do the renounciation in Putrajaya for faster processes. Although I would recommend staying in Malaysia while its being processed, but it does not stop you from going to Thailand. But if you enter with your Malaysian passport you are kinda stuck until the process is finished then you would need to get an exit visa from immigration for your American passport since you did not enter with the US passport but the Malaysian one.

[@frechelltsai1585]

@@imraphraph how long it takes to get the renounce letter? I cant stay for up to 14days. Do they do expedite service?

[@imraphraph]

@@frechelltsai1585 Yes they do have the expedite service, but you have to let the lady at the booth know. They would provide a phone number for you to call. They gave me that option but I did not expedite mine as I had time to wait 14 days.

[@jamlzs]

Hi Raphael, if I still have properties in Malaysia means I cannot renounce the citizenship right?

[@imraphraph]

Hey its better to consult a lawyer on this, although its a bit tricky. But if it were up to me I would either transfer it to your Malaysian spouse if they are still Malaysian sell the property before renouncing

[@astella3]

Has malaysia become dumping ground for newer pendatangs?

[@imraphraph]

Other lower tier countries will find Malaysia a heaven while Malaysians find Western countries as heaven, so it really depends from which perspective you are looking from. Grass is always greener on the other side.

[@Ericteoh25]

Hey Raphael, i have a question. is it a mandatory process to renounce malaysia citizenship? My malaysia passport expired a year ago. I just got my Canadian passport and thinking about going back to malaysia to visit with Canadian passport Can I still travel to malaysia with Canadian passport without having any issues?

[@imraphraph]

Technically speaking I don't think so but Malaysia does not recognize dual so it's in a grey zone. I know many Malaysians who hold dual and choose to do so. When I had my Malaysian and Australian, I travelled to Malaysia with an Australian passport as a foreigner so take the foreigner line. I did it many times no issue. But the reason I gave up my citizenship was to avoid any further complications in the future as I was moving my family to Aus.

[@Ericteoh25]

@@imraphraph Hey Raphael, thank you for your reply. My malaysia passport already expired and I didn’t renew it, so I can apply for Canadian passport. I don’t think I’m still holding a dual citizenship since now I only hold valid Canadian passport. Except I haven’t do the renunciation process yet. From what I found on Google, it is not a mandatory process for Malaysian to do the renunciation. Just want to recap, before you did travel to malaysia many times while holding a valid malaysia and Australia passport at the same time, took the foreigner line and there was no issue at the customs at all? And you finally renounce malaysia citizenship sometimes later?

[@jacqwwl]

Hi there. May I know if you were provided with a MY-RN1 form after submission? As we need this for Sg citizenship conversion

[@disruptionage1943]

2:48 you mentioned to travel into Malaysia using foreign passport, how is that possible? As you can't have a foreign passport/citizenship before you renounce your Malaysia citizenship. Singapore won't give me the official citizenship (it's now approved in principal) until I renounce Malaysian citizenship

[@imraphraph]

They don’t really care and don’t bother checking. A lot of Malaysians I know with dual passports would opt to enter Malaysia with their Aus passport if they stay for less than 3 months. So it makes exit to be easier.

[@disruptionage1943]

@@imraphraph hmm maybe this is only applicable for Aus. For Singapore, you need to show your renunciation letter before Singapore processes your final stages of approval (becoming citizen). So prior to that I won’t be able to get the Singapore passport

[@jacqwwl]

Same issue here. In Sg you cannot have dual citizenship and they do check in that they won’t issue you a Singapore citizenship, IC or passport if you don’t first provide proof of renunciation. @disruption age are you planning to renounce in Malaysia and not HC Singapore?

[@imraphraph]

@@disruptionage1943 yea because Aus allows dual citizenship so its no issue. Malaysia on the other hand would only make it an issue if you are caught

[@disruptionage1943]

@@jacqwwl I’m thinking maybe to do it in Singapore. I emailed Malaysia embassy in Singapore and they said the queue is very long.. next available appointment (to renounce citizenship) is mid June…. Meaning I can’t process my Singapore citizenship until then (until I get the letter of renunciation from Malaysia) :(

[@cherylgohpropertyconsultan1254]

hi. can I ask about the 30 days pass ? I contacted NRD but was told that If I surrender my passport I can't go back to Singapore

[@imraphraph]

Surrender Malaysian passport you mean?

[@cherylgohpropertyconsultan1254]

@@imraphraph ya cos need to give them the passport ,right ? Then got problem going back

[@munichkc]

Can you get Singapore passport before you do the renounciation in Malaysia putrajaya and if not , how do you get out of the country and back to Singapore then?!

[@imraphraph]

Most of my friends who did this did the renunciation from Singapore, it can take a while but its a much safer option.

[@Boris_Din_Dietrich__Hazim]

What if my birth certificate is issued overseas since I wasn't born in Malaysia?

[@imraphraph]

You get to keep you original birth certificate after giving up, even my Malaysian one.

[@Boris_Din_Dietrich__Hazim]

@@imraphraph well mine's from the UK since I was born there, so the birth certificate question is an enigma for me at least as for now

[@imraphraph]

@@Boris_Din_Dietrich__Hazim what do you want to do with that? You can still give it up if thats the plan but still keep your birth cert

[@Boris_Din_Dietrich__Hazim]

@@imraphraph alright then. Thanks for the info

[@saifur6305]

Hi sir since 2018 already apply PR ready interview police and imigrsn,so when I get the approval ,

[@Moviesforyouhere]

Can I reapply again for Malaysian citizenship after renouncing?

[@imraphraph]

I think You can but I am unsure what the requirements are. It may also take a lifetime.

[@Moviesforyouhere]

@@imraphraph so if it’s successful, will my ic number change or it will remain the same as before renouncing?

[@raajpalsinghchahl9998]

I can’t find your video on renewing the passport

[@rajasharmarichardsamy2344]

Can I know how long the process will take if I renounce my Malaysian citizenship at Malaysian high Com in Australia? Thanks

[@imraphraph]

According to putrajaya it can take from 3 months to 6months as they have to send it back to putrajaya for processing.

[@clownclown7709]

Hi Raphael, will I still be able to renounce my malaysian citizenship at JPN if I do not have a malaysian IC and malaysian passport? Just to confirm I will have to book an appointment for going down to the JPN right?

[@clownclown7709]

Also I do not understand malay at all, will there be any english speaker to help me or can i get someone to follow me down?

[@imraphraph]

Hey @@clownclown7709 from my understanding you will be required to surrender your IC and passport over and you will need to make an appointment. The rules may have changed as this was done a few years ago. But yes do have your passport and ic for submission.

[@clownclown7709]

@@imraphraph I see I don’t have a Malaysian IC and Malaysian passport in the first place. Btw for the passport photo the background must be blue?

[@imraphraph]

@@clownclown7709 in that case give them a call and ask if you can renounce without the documents. Personally if I dont have those documents because maybe you lived overseas and never applied for them I would just leave it at that.

[@nismail7999]

@imraphraph - are you still active on IG? I couldn't find you and want to ask some questions thank you!

[@chloechai5799]

Hi thank for the info. Can I ask you know anything about resident pass for ex Malaysia (category 5)? What are the processing time and successful rate of getting it?

[@imraphraph]

Hey thanks for the question, unfortunately I am unsure about this category of passes. But I know ex Malaysians who did move successfully back to Malaysia under a work visa, sponsored as expats.

[@cordiayan6756]

Hi, do I need my IC for renunciation? As I recently lost Malaysia IC

[@imraphraph]

Yes you would need to get it and submit it back to the govt.

[@kazutonarusaka0318]

hi Raphael may I know how long does it take to withdraw my EPF money after I renounce my citizenship at JPN ??? btw thanks for the video it's really helpful :) 👍🏻

[@imraphraph]

Hey there I was told it took 14 days but in reality it took slightly more than a month for it to be processed. I got it sent to my overseas bank account because I could not wait anymore, plus my local bank account was closed.

[@skinnycheesy]

@@imraphraph Hi Raphael, how did u request to transfer out all the epf fund? Did they give you a form to fill during renunciation?

[@imraphraph]

@@skinnycheesy I filled up the form after I got my renunciation certificate. Then communicated with them via phone and email to send overseas.

[@paulfranco2101]

May I know how long is processing for cancellation my Malaysia citizens??

[@imraphraph]

14 days if done in putrajaya

[@TianYu87]

please adjust your sound quality la...

[@imraphraph]

okay la

[@Mscarolsek]

Hi Raphael, thanks for the video! May I ask, do you know if we can go back Msia with foreign passport during the renunciation process? I meant like after submitting all the forms in the High Comm of Msia in SG and while waiting for the renunciation to complete. Any idea?

[@imraphraph]

I don't think you can, because you would have submitted your Malaysian passport for process. Unless you already have a foreign passport.

[@cheenenbeh4294]

If Germany, I still can fly to other countries with Malaysian passport. They just took my IC and the lady from the embassy told me to fly with it without any problem.

[@jesusbeliever2128]

I make this comment as a Christian. Most Asian countries like Singapore and Malaysia do not allow dual citizenship. They have laws against it. So you are breaking the law by not renoucing your citizenship once you become a citizen of another country such as USA, UK, Australian etc. The bible says all liars or they that love to lie shall be thrown into hell Rev 21:8; 22:15. If you are a Christian you are practicing a lie everytime you use your Malaysian/Singaporean identity card or passport when you are a citizen of another country like the USA, UK etc. Even if the authorties don't find out, God knows and that would cost you heaven or hell. So don't lie and maintain dual citizenship otherwise you are a fake Christian in judgement of hell fire!

[@vickichin6247]

Hi Raphael, i will have to fly in with my Malaysia passport, so after renouncing the passport (with no passport on hand and without foreign passport), what should I do to be able to fly out of the country?

[@cheenenbeh4294]

Why don‘t you just renounce your citizenship in the country that you want to be its citizenship? It‘s easier but it takes time.

[@tieroflife9297]

Regarding point 3, if I have a mortgage/loan for a property in malaysia, do I have to sort that out too?

[@imraphraph]

Yes best to sort that out, I think they also do a check if you have anything outstanding before you can give it up

[@lkeano4438]

Hi Raphael, i will travel to malaysia this December, i already have my Australia passport, if i renounce my malaysia citizenship at malaysia embassy before i fly back to malaysia in December, and use Australia passport to travel to malaysia while the renounce process still on going, is that gonna be any trouble?

[@imraphraph]

No I don’t think you will, I use to travel on my aus passport into Malaysia while still having dual citizenship that time.

[@lkeano4438]

@@imraphraph so you mean i can still keep my malaysia passport? Just use aus passport for travel to malaysia? But my place of birth in aus passport show pulau penang, will this be suspicious for the officer to check my malaysia citizenship? What if i get caught im holding 2 citizenship? I dont mind to keep malaysia citizenship, just i saw on google it if we keep for more than 5 years we might get in the jail and fine.

[@vapourkl5324]

Hi RL, could I renounce my Malaysian citizenship so Australia wont deport me back to Malaysian since I'm technically stateless ?

[@imraphraph]

You can't renounce your Malaysian citizenship unless you have obtained citizenship from another country. They won't allow you.

[@upbeatmantis86]

if you’re still a malaysian citizen, then you’re not stateless. When you renounce, they will need prove of your other citizenship.

[@keesingcheong]

@@imraphraph Any Malaysian citizen who live at overseas but never register their local address and report themselves to Malaysian embassy and declare their intention to retain Malaysian citizenship after few years their Malaysian citizenship will be revoke automatically is that right (according to the Clause #5 of the rules of Malaysian passport on the last second page)?

[@keesingcheong]

@@imraphraph Few months ago a Malaysian Indian man named Nadaraja who made a video which critised Malaysian Sultan and Malaysian Government,Malaysian police requested INTERPOL to issue red code warrant of arrest against him,in this circumstance his Malaysian citizenship to be renounce automatically/deprive/revoke?

[@keesingcheong]

@@imraphraph Malaysian citizens in Malaysia who criticised Sultan or government will be arrest by Malaysian police and prosecute under the Sedition Act 1948.Malaysian citizens who done the same things stayed in overseas who refused to cooperate with Malaysian authorities for investigation of their offences also facing the deprivation/revoke=automatically renounciation of Malaysian citizenship,don’t even need to filling the Borang K and waiting for the approval from KDN,is that right?

[@runflybeyond1187]

Can I uses online to cancellation my Malaysia citizens.....

[@imraphraph]

nope, you have to do it in a Malaysian embassy/consulate or if you are in Malaysia the Putrajaya headquarter or any JPN branch.

[@isse1100]

Hi, do I need to have a valid Malaysian passport to proceed the renunciation?

[@imraphraph]

If you have one existing on hand and not outdated then yes.

[@potatoeskimos]

If you're a minority and renounce the Malaysian citizenship, the bumiputera wins. The religion, marriage and visa policies are meant to keep you out, not in. Which is why it's near impossible to get your Malaysian citizenship back. Also it's not nice to change the demographics in Australia from mostly white to Chinese. Pretty sure if that happens, they're gonna have resentment towards you.

[@imraphraph]

Well Malaysia belongs to the Bumiputras and Malays. If Malaysia is going to be fixed, I believe only the Malays can save Malaysia right now. For myself I have to make a decision, and we only life one life so make the most of it. I don't intend to return to stay. The Western world is open, its a melting pot here in Australia. Resentment is everywhere no matter where you go, at least life here you are given close to an equal opportunity to make it.

[@potatoeskimos]

@@imraphraph Western world isn't going to be open for long though. At any given moment it could change very quickly. People in western countries are getting restless with the idea foreigners refusing to assimilate to come to their country. Why not move to Taiwan, HK, Sg, or China? You're more safer with your own people than going to other people's countries.

[@imraphraph]

@@potatoeskimos as a diaspora Chinese we are second class citizens everywhere. We don't really belong to China and any other place. Since when have western countries been restless with foreigners ? Western countries are democratic and migrants who became citizens now hold voting rights to change government policies. So what you have said isn't true. Life in Australia is much better in my opinion, better healthcare, better work life balance, cleaner air, stronger purchasing power. Why would I want to go to asia? But then again this is my opinion.

[@potatoeskimos]

@@imraphraph What I find it hard to understand is why do you think countries populated by your own people is not a better place for you. I don't blame you for being opportunistic, I would move to a western country too, but then again Malays aren't exactly immigrating everywhere, and creating enclave in foreign countries. Malays are very much spread out. The problem here is, if your community are significant enough to vote for policies favouring them, then you're going against the locals, which does rings some bells ey..

[@imraphraph]

​@@potatoeskimos We all look through different lenses. It's really hard to explain but diaspora Chinese are never really accepted anywhere. You have to be Chinese in Malaysia to understand. Most Chinese love Malaysia but there are many reasons why they leave. It's too long for me to explain here. Perhaps speak to people who have moved abroad.

[@Oz-qc1we]

Doe's any Malaysians wants to exchange there citizenship with me ?? I am French citizenship and i want to renounce it !!! So if someone is interest please let me know looooooool ✌

[@alvinason]

Hey brother, u still can speak malay?

[@imraphraph]

Hi I can speak conversationally only.

[@alvinason]

@@imraphraph ohhh ok brother

[@smartbb4239]

dont give up malaysia passport! it s a loss..

[@dahlan2000sg]

When they are young and healthy, they see other countries as greener pastures. So they renounce their Malaysian citizenship and become new citizens of their preferred countries. When they grow old with no insurance policy and less savings, the are facing the difficulties to bear the high cost of the health care.

[@imraphraph]

I only have another few decades to live on this earth, so some of us decide to make a choice and we have to live with it. At this moment Australia is the place I want to raise my child.

[@upbeatmantis86]

Just to let you know dahlan, some countries offer pension and free healthcare to all citizen/and prs (where the author is). So that being said , there is indeed a safety net. Unlike malaysia unfortunately. So i feel obliged to correct you, that being said, the ‘greener pasture’ here last till you somewhat die.

[@dahlan2000sg]

@@imraphraph if it is your choice, it is your choice. go ahead. no one is blocking your way. i wish you all the best. peace

[@dahlan2000sg]

@@upbeatmantis86 by all means, if it is your best decision, be it. no one is obstructing your way. i also have many relatives and friends migrating overseas. i hear both the plus and minus. peace

[@dahlan2000sg]

@Alexandria School of Science OK. I pray for the green and the blue to be long lasting and forever happily ever after. Yeah, no regret what so ever.

[@DaisyDaisy2002]

Hi Raphael, What do you mean by "renunciation letter"? Is that the Borang K, which is "the Renunciation of Malaysian Citizenship Declaration"? My daughter says that is all she got. Borang K and her BC back.

[@imraphraph]

Yes borang K, after you hand that in they will issue you a sort of a receipt to pick up the docs when its ready

[@DaisyDaisy2002]

@@imraphraph Thank you Raphael.