How To Rig A Retrievable Rappelling Anchor Canyoneering | Ghost Knot | Macrame Knot Explained

[@chadgoyette33]

I have been looking for this knot. I was taught this a while back and forgot how to do it. Thanks!

[@franklinmaddox9461]

Instablaster.

[@us24575]

This works well. Anyone rambling on about why and why - simple, it s a method that is useful when you don't have all the luxuries. Used in military emergency applications for years.

[@Mitzbergatc]

What a bunvh of nonsense. He had a binner, that's all you need. Clove hitch the binner and thread thru. Way faster and simpler. Also way faster to retrieve and hassle free of tangles and no risk of getting it stuck.

[@jimmcguire1521]

You could just tie a bowline but that’s not the point- for what it is, this is safe

[@higherlifts420]

You never used this in the military lol

[@MrDj114422]

I could see this being useful if you only have a device that accepts a single strand like a Grigri maybe you dropped your atc or something but if I had my atc I would just double strand rappel for sure

[@connordrake9985]

That was actually worth watching till the end!

[@mckalewirnsberger1910]

Yooo this is exactly what I was looking to learn , Thankyou much

[@christianandino8597]

Very helpful for someone starting out, thank you

[@jodelboy]

wow whoever put those two bolts in must have a huge trust in this rock.

[@2010jimcat]

Why not just do a 2 rope rappel with the rope running through both quick links? You can pull it through when done.What is the advantage of the macrame knot if both strands of the rope reach the bottom of the pitch?

[@kodaexploring5176]

Looks rather smooth & safe. I do love my fiddlestick though. Very cool

[@LiveRogue]

Koda Exploring thank you for your comment we love the support. Keep adventuring.

[@Skeetmgeett]

Yep, ill take the fiddlestick myself

[@shaitand69]

Can actually be quite dangerous. The knot itself is solid but for that last climber (or solo climber) if the pull side gets tugged out while the rappel strand is loaded the entire knot will fail. See here kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJW9fpSrac2Febc

[@Adam.Rushing]

I'm confused. At 2:47 the guy is rappelling with a single side of the line...but at the end of the video, 4:18, the other guy is doubled up. What am I missing? Or do you clip in both sides of the line at the top before you start the rappel, but they only showed one?

[@LiveRogue]

We put that video up long ago and you are the first to find the edit error. At the ~4 min mark Lance was describing the steps to pull down the rope. This should have been audio only, ie ADR. It's almost captured on a different take with a different setup . I'll try to edit out the confusion. Thanks for the catch.

[@Adam.Rushing]

@@LiveRogue Well, I do moonlight as an editor! lol Glad to be of some sort of service there bud

[@shinobihiriyu-originalninj4634]

awesome, this is what i need ! but it would be better if you have filmed it more upclose and in more detail.

[@77pmcollins]

What's the point? You may as well just double strand belay.

[@heli400]

you mean double strand rappel* ... no one is climbing here

[@kodaexploring5176]

Ghosting techniques not only decrease wear on the rock but also your gear. Instead of pulling 100 ftbof rope across the rock it just falls down. However, their are much easier ghosting techniques but they require tools

[@atraillesstaken]

I completely understand your comment, but my daughter is light enough that she has a hard time getting down the rope double stranded. I tell her to not bring her hand above the rappel device to push the rope through the device, which I've seen people actually do that when they couldn't slide down the rope. I think that's the main benefit. Rappelling double stranded is definitely a faster set up and pull from the bottom. Sometimes I'll even just throw one end down, set up a biner block so everyone can rappel faster single stranded, and then when I go down last I'll remove the biner block and go down double stranded and then pull the rope from the bottom. I don't use this knot though. I tie a stone knot with a fiddlestick through it and then a pull cord. Easy and fast to set up, and to pull down. It reduces the chance of getting a carabiner and knot caught in a crack, or on a bush, etc.

[@nicholasmaslen8091]

In canyoneering, you're generally rappelling on one strand of rope that is oftentimes set to a specific length, that way it is to not get tangled up at the bottom in the current and create issues with disconnecting if you're rappelling into deeper water. The strand that they clipped to the anchor (the pull strand that won't be rappelled on) usually is coiled at the top until the last person starts their rappel, where they would then drop that length to the bottom before they start (or bring it with them if it's flaked well). You can do a double strand rappel in certain canyoneering ventures, but it is much nicer rappelling on one strand and having the length set. Had this video been shot in an actual canyon as opposed to a cliffside, it may have made more sense for what they were getting at.

[@JohnnyYuma405]

I agree. They seem to be trying to re-invent the wheel.

[@Zaynelite]

Bad boi Knott I being trying to learn this forever

[@anthonylacy4466]

So What do you do for a single strand rope that has the knots up top and there is no double rope at the bottom.?. I use a 9.5mm dry rope with the Petzl Grigri+ and do walls that only allow me to have a single strand to the bottom.

[@LiveRogue]

This is a single stand method. If you have a super long rappel you will want to attach a second rope to be your pull line. This could be a smaller rope. Be sure to practice in a safe place before trying.

[@drdanielcottam1]

it seems like a cool knot but when would i use it over a repelling on both strands of rope

[@LiveRogue]

+Daniel Cottam there are many scenarios where I like to Rappel with a single rope... One that comes to mind is making a very long Rappel where I don't want to carry two thick Ropes. To save weight I'll use one long 9mm/10mm rope and one 6mm pull rope.

[@williamcayler6789]

If that's the case why not use a biner block... more safe and less error prone for the last person that rappel.

[@LiveRogue]

+William Cayler very true. We use it when we are trying to reduce rope drag to reduce grooving on the sandstone. :-)

[@MattTweakman]

Live Rogue understand your argument about avoiding dragging a knot or biner down a canyon or dirty face or whatever. Never the less, this seems to introduce complexity to a scenario that has simpler and fewer error-prone solutions. But rock fall can be a real hazard so always good to have another trick in the bag. Weird, but whatever.

[@heli400]

hmmmm, putting grooves in sandstone, or making sure I live whilst I rappel safely... that's a tough call there....sorry, my life comes first :P

[@goldschmidtcompany431]

Excellent

[@Tenpennycustoms4958]

What if there is no anchors or bolts and chains? Or tree like the video?

[@Nicholasburr22]

I don't understand the purpose of using it unless you're actually ghosting a canyon and wrapping a tree or using a retrievable anchor.. toss n go seem (double strand rap) seems like a better call. care to explain?

[@LiveRogue]

+Nicholas Burr Using a method like this massively reduces the wear on the rock near the anchor and your rope. This wear can cause massive grooves in the rock that can cause an increased chance of your rope getting stuck/ hung up when pulling.

[@statom7]

Why cant you just rappel on the both strands then pull it out in the end?

[@stevenmoses8918]

Because even if you used just a carabiner and a harness with no other rigging equipment, the ropes would not be able to slide freely and would jam. Then you would be stuck hundreds of feet in the air trying to fix it and some of us rappel off of more than just mountains. Example: Helicopters and Cellphone towers

[@robbeck5380]

Crazy info last rapper should bring pull side down never leave pull side hanging

[@slayer12]

i cant even see how you are tying the know your hands are in the way

[@LiveRogue]

Check this out kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaPXXoOJq86HrZI

[@nbhudgdsi]

Himalayan Rappel Anchor

[@steevewhitehead1416]

Looks good, but did not clearly pick up your weaving method.

[@LiveRogue]

Here is a link that shows it close up. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaPXXoOJq86HrZI

[@vieuxacadian9455]

I beg pardon but a simple 2 rope descend using the same rope would've been much easier . GI speed technique .

[@LiveRogue]

Sandstone is delicate and this method reduces rope drag that creates grooves in the rock. These grooves can cause ropes to hang up making them a safety issue and is environmentally irresponsible.

[@dustinnance6817]

@@LiveRogue is extending the anchor with webbing and an extra carb out of the question? Seems more irresponsible to pop a ghosted rope and need rescue when the extra gear is something most climbers and canyoners should be carrying anyways. This is kind of an “oh shit”/ emergency method and there are much safer ways to descend single rope.

[@krisouellette5517]

why wouldn't you just use an ATC or Auto Block? this is silly

[@LiveRogue]

Thank you for your comment. We like to reduce rope drag where we can.

[@adventureswithfrodo2721]

You really were not clear in grading the rope.

[@LiveRogue]

Here is a closer look. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oaPXXoOJq86HrZI

[@JohnGreen_US]

And here's what happens to a Macrame connection if the retrieval line is accidentally yanked while the descending is active and under tension ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJW9fpSrac2Febc

[@JohnGreen_US]

AMB, Thanks for the reply. The rope used by Richard at the 50 sec. mark appears to be Edelrid Super 9.5 mm. It's used in rappel applications. Please expound a bit on the difference in rope type. It seems relying on some of these very specific rope characteristics that, in some cases, are also affected by rope age, might inject some unrecognized risk. Is a biner-block considered safer? Too much concern about a rope getting stuck during retrieval? Interested in your thoughts. Oh, and I did note your very serious safety disclaimer, above ... 8^)

[@jongrimm4081]

If you are gonna teach something you should not cover what you are doing with your hands. You demonstrated like you where reminding pro climbers how to tie something.

[@semmtexx]

People that rappel for the sake of rappelling always find ways to over complicate the process.

[@LiveRogue]

Sometimes there's a reason for the process. In the Utah desert grooves get placed in the rock when using a double rope repel or a beater blockIn the Utah desert grooves get placed in the rock morock when using a double rope rappel or a carabiner block.

[@Gunpowdermaniac22]

I don't understand the point of this? Just descend using both ropes. No knot, way safer.

[@LiveRogue]

Utah Sandstone, found in slot canyons, is very fragile. This technique reduces the amount of rope that's drug over the edge that creates deep grooves in the sandstone.

[@justinb5815]

Guys, this is so sketchy...the crochet slips!! Save that knot for grandma and do it the easy way. Thread your rope through the quicklinks, close the system, and and rappel as usual with an added third hand.... The crochet is more steps and not safe for the last guy rappelling

[@LiveRogue]

This is a rock preservation method to reduce damage in the sandstone from pull methods.

[@justinb5815]

@@LiveRogue Huh? you literally have fixed anchors in this video and you're on gneiss rock... Even in the case of sandstone, you're willing to risk hitting the deck over a slipped crochet vs. minor "damage" to rock?

[@James-ke5sx]

I wish your hand was not in the way so I can actually see how you did it the other people who are commenting here already know what this is but for someone who's never seen it before your hand is in the way and you're moving way too fast go slower and get a better camera angle

[@LiveRogue]

Thank you for your comment. This video is a little easier to see how to tie the knot... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mIiXq3mGa5KaeNE

[@DHFlip18]

I'm a newb and gotta say, as much as I appreciate the effort, your recording angle absolutely sucks. I have no idea what you did or HOW you did it. Next time, PLEASE slow your pace, explain and clearly show what you are doing, and possibly why you're doing it. Thanks.

[@SikConVicTioN]

Why did you think it was a good idea to add music that is just marginally quieter than you talking...? Not like the music added anything interesting to your video

[@joee7626]

Lets take the time to set everything up, and then be sure to set the camera angle so the most important part is obscured by our hands.

[@jort93z]

The way the video is cut looks like you are releasing the rope while the guy is descending down, lol!