HOW TO RIG LARGE Y-HANGS - TECH TALK - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST

HOW TO RIG LARGE Y-HANGS - TECH TALK - THE ROPE ACCESS AND CLIMBING PODCAST
Hello and welcome back to The Rope Access and Climbing Podcast. This week I’m talking about How to rig Large Y-hangs. This is something I’ve noticed people struggle with in the past during training, so here we are.
In today's episode, I will be showing you 3 different setups and talk about some of the pros and cons of each one.
If you are not a fan of the BFK, give me a chance to explain myself, then try it out yourself. Before judging, Thank you
**UPDATE**
I stand corrected here. In the video I stated 1.5m, as this number is kind of the industry norm. However, for those that are sticklers for the code book please read below.
For the most up to date info, please refer to your certification requirements as this may also be different…
As of the time of this video July 11, 2021
Y-Hangs are defined as Small or Large based on being less than or greater than:
IRATA is 1m
SPRAT is 2m
**Disclaimer
Before using any technique or maneuver seen on this channel, please talk to your subject matter expert for the company you work for. Make sure that any and all gear you use on a job is approved and has had a proper risk assessment completed. Please undergo the proper training, know your safety procedures and review all necessary information to safely complete your job within respective policies and regulations.
Thank you**
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[@moomastico]

Not sure the BFK is doing anything for you in the third scenario as the re-anchor is clipped through both alpines. If the alpines were separated it would still have the same effect of load sharing and redundancy on both anchors either side of the Y hang. Hope that makes sense dude.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Fully. Ive seen a lot of people that struggle with lining up alpines. So the BFK here also helps with both knots to line up. At the end of the bay. It doesnt really matter

[@jart6792]

Hello, I'm trying to understand your video and I can't, I can translate it into the Czech language (Czech) Thank you

[@jeremydrolet1324]

When rigging a large y hang for Sprat and Irata are you supposed to double everthing up connectors, slings, ext, whenever exceeting 1.5 meters with no hazards. It only makes sense to do this but i havnt been able to find it in the safe work practice for Sprat.

[@lucanus8997]

I don't see why using an alpine butterfly at 13:00 would be wrong. Yeah, an alpine is not an end knot, but you are not at the end, you are in the middle. Please explain

[@KK-6]

Never seen window cleaner following 1,5m rule. And good luck to find so many anchor points. Very good in theory tho.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Totally agree on the 1.5m side of things however. You need to double up the gear not the amount locations you tie off to.

[@KK-6]

@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 I meant anchor point like bolts not bombproof structure.

[@nicklohse2647]

@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 For a large y hang in the situation where you have 2 roof davits 1.5 or more apart you just have to double up the equipment and not worry about having 2 additional roof davits ?

[@verticalfeel]

Great video 🙋 Hugs

[@okoroafornelson8909]

Wow nice one🙏🏻🇳🇬

[@kevintan-xd5tg]

Thanks man.

[@ccken91]

I have used the similar setup before. super useful when you have short distance between anchors and the edge.

[@musafirbychoice]

Lovely ❤❤

[@romangarcia7757]

Thank you very much I liked the third option a lot and I attach it to my knowledge library, Greetings.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Your welcome. Thats the point of the channel. Expand peoples knowledge Cheers, Mikey

[@woody40000]

The first two seem pretty standard but I really liked the third one. I like how quick it would be for re-equalising for subsequent close together drops; I just untie the butterfly and retie it in a new position. About as fast as non-IRATA/non-SPRAT window cleaning rigging with more metal and redundancy

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Yup! If you go to my IG account. I posted an image of my rigging on top of a building were I use this concept. Makes life easy. And I dont have to worry about any chance of a out of control swing.

[@christiansvendsen4891]

I like the Y hang with a reanchor, but why not just use extra descenders - 4 and why not use bunny ears on your anchors, if its about redundency?

[@tomrose_arb]

This is going to be somewhat hard to explain but instead of fixing the equalisation of the Y-hang with an alpine as in the 3rd example, would an acceptable alternative be to not put these alpines in at all leaving two big loops, descend the ropes after the second set of figure-8s, tie two more figure 8s below yourself and clip these directly into the loops of the two lines, thereby creating a self equalising Y-hang?

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Totally! That would depend on the situation

[@Toma11]

For sure! This is just a tension line with a drop set clipped to and rotated 90degrees. The self equalization is nice.

[@andyseemungal8056]

Really nice Rigging bro and safely done

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you!

[@Stakonmusic]

Shrodingers Knot Love the solve for vertical access into wide y hang

[@wilkinscalderon6843]

How far can I make each anchor point from each other?

[@stevenjackson1256]

Mikey, instead of the BFK an alternative option would be place 2 alpine butterfly in each rope, leaving a little rope between each knot for a by-pass, so in total you would have 4 alpine butterfly's knots, then connect all knots with 2 karabiner.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Possible. Seems like a lot more hassle. But ive never tried it. So i could be wrong also :)

[@stevenjackson1256]

@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 yes it takes a little longer, maybe 2 minutes then again dressing the BFK could take as long, on the plus you can see all of your knots and any movement within the system. I would also like to ask would you have any data on the BFK with regards to strength, effectiveness if damaged

[@aturboford1]

I’ve used that rig in a few odd cases where you have four ropes coming off two slings, especially when you can’t see the anchors from getting on the ropes. It ensures that any pair of ropes is redundant and not just two ends coming out of the same knot.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Im less worried about it being perfectly dressed. And because of the amount of rope in the knot. Im never worried about the strength. However, im working on building a pull tester. So it would be still interesting to pull.

[@BrodyYYC]

Awesome video :) I used to always pull the center of my large alpines through the hole as well until someone pointed out that it's completely unnecessary. Now I just take the base of the top strand after the second twist and pull it through. Also I've seen something similar to the 3rd example in the field except it was on the roof instead of vertical and they just used 2 short lines. They also had both independent instead of combining with the butterfly. It seems to me it should be perfectly fine though. Plus using the short lines keeps things a little cleaner.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Ya if someone wants to use a BFK or single alpines… it really doesn’t matter Cheers

[@maxxsolomon1397]

Nice video. Love the way you explain the purpose of each and every knot. Thank you. Nice greetings from Vienna 🇦🇹🇦🇹

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you. This is what i try to do

[@JamesGillar]

Simple, effective, and explained it well. Right on 👍. Definitely look forward to using this new style in the the field.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you! Meany more videos like to come

[@johnwagner97]

Great video! Would another way to load share and avoid a swing is to tie bunny ears and clip both bots on each side?

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Yes you could. But i personally never rig bunny ears for something this large

[@josiahfaamasino5961]

Looks good man I like the share loading version

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you

[@julienrivollet3654]

Thank you for this video ! Just a small comment about the IRATA requirement from TACS (6.4.5) : if I'm true, we should consider wide Y-hang over 1m and not 1.5m. An other but similar way to anchor the lines : a BFK with 2 ropes under the butterflies...

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Hey, Thank you for your message. Yes, I stand corrected here. Industry general norm is 1.5m give or take. However, this is what I found. For the most up to date info. IRATA is 1m SPRAT is 2m IRATA states small or large re-anchors are defined by 1.5m SPRAT defines them by 2m

[@Toma11]

Yes 1meter for wide Ys in IRATA TACS. Often confused with the 1.5meter for double deviations. However, no mention in ICOP about doubling up for wides. So maybe it’s just in training and not in field operations? Open to interpretation for sure. Doubling up an alpine is only bad or lazy if it’s not dressed and set! We dress every other knot so why not the double alpine! This is why it gets a bad name. Please dress BFKs to reduce the reasons people have to doubt them. Using the methods you describe to reduce swing potential is very important. No point doubling up the anchors if there is still going to be a swing if one part fails. I understand the benefit of the BFK on second method, but not the third method, as long as both Krabs are in both knots, it is load shared.

[@jcrrigger6799]

Great content and always very didactic. Greetings from Brazil!

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you for your kind words

[@aerialrescuesolutions3277]

Didactic? Great word use, it does fit Mikey's style. (Excellent) Jim.

[@andyseemungal9960]

Really like this system bro

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you

[@renatabriotto4941]

I’ve never seen 2 bolts each side in Y ringing when it is more than 1,5m, in my real life job… I’d like to know if there’s something to do, unless put a long, long, long ropy protection, just case the system will fail.

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

This is just my current set up. But as you can see. A possible option. Why would you rely on rope protection? Theres no need for it with this set up. Also, one should try to avoid the use of rope barriers. Rig to avoid first. However, if you cant then introduce barriers. Either soft or hard.

[@renatabriotto4941]

If something happens to my rope, and I am using more than one rope protection, in case of a fall on an edge, my rope would be protected Sorry about my English, I'm a foreigner

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

@@renatabriotto4941 All good. If you are rigging over an edge yes. This is why one should use 2 different barriers. We'd never just use 1 rope so why the hell would be use 1 barrier (Depending on what it was).

[@Сергій-г1ь]

Thank you from Ukrainian

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Your welcome

[@johnmarkcorpus7539]

I love those BFK!

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Ya ya! It’s interesting how people just hate on something they don’t understand or have not been showen before

[@103troy]

great video!

[@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380]

Thank you