How to Sail a Catamaran - 3

[@artyspost]

This has to be one of the best videos about the techniques of not just sailing, but also on best practices while owning or chartering a sail boat . Excellent work

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@geoffroberts1608]

Thank you Igor,I follow around a dozen sailing blogs and your by far the best teacher. Love watching your ✨👏🫡

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@DerekAlexander-yv9dr]

Igor you are the best but also the funniest sailor I have ever met or seen on youtube. Great information on you series on Catamaran's, I plan on purchasing on in the next year and the anxiety of going from a monohull to a mutlihull has been lessened by watching your vids. Thank you Sir and keep up the on boat sailing adventures!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@svBluePearl]

Ok , I just binge watched all of 6 hours of ‘catamaran sailing’ with Capt Igor , and as Igor used to take care of ‘our’ boat (before we bought it from the active cruises company) I now know where all the little smart things come from ! Dinghy fenders , carabiner hooks , down haul lines , added blocks etc . Igor added them and they make life so much easier ! I just need to learn how to sail because even after 2 years (from Croatia to panama) I dislike how slow the boat is ? But it’s probably sail trim as Igor says the L42 is / should be just as fast as the L46 ! Anyway , Igor practices what he preaches and I love his down to earth approach incl the spaghetti and what typically goes wrong Blue Pearl Too prev ‘Mala Kate’ Ps were taking good care of her just like you did 😊

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Nice to hear you and boat are doing well! Wish you the best! 🍻

[@nevillesaunders1916]

Hi Igor. I just finished watching all 3 parts of your "How to Sail a Catamaran" series of videos. Thank you for providing so much very useful information and showing us how beautiful Croatia is. Well done sir.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@_keepitsocial]

I love that you're actually teaching people!!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@ministryofsailing]

Very nice explanation on sail shape… finally someone who sails a cat talks Trim!!!!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@RaulLorenzoMari]

Gracias por tu excelente video. Magistral explicacion de un catamaran maravilloso. Fui Patrón de Catamaranes en Cuba muchos años y se perfectamente lo q son estos tipus de barcos. El tuyo es genial. Salud y Buen Viento.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@Sunny-w1k1k]

Next year I’m planning to charter a catamaran for the first time with my girls…….so, thank you Igor very, very much…..you helped a lot to educate myself…..I can’t wait to be in Croatia again………best place….😍 greetings from Germany, Sonja 🤗

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@kcchapman3630]

Man, I love the new design of the Bering. It doesn't hurt to get the tour by a handsome man such as yourself. The 2 of us could run that Bering with no problem at all. We would definitely live abroad and travel the world. I get paid no matter where I live. You could take an early retirement, and we would have a great life.

[@wadedaw]

Your how to sail catamaran videos are perfect. Nice work. I’m bareboating a Lagoon 46 out of Trogir end of July. These vids are super useful and relevant for me 👍🏼

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@brianballard1729]

Remember that the KEY for catamaran cruising and making effective passages is V>M>G. Velocity made good (not necessarily only to windward) and includes tacking both upwind and downwind... Most cats have a preferred angle related to wind angle, so always look to your instruments for best VMG to your destination, and tack according to best VMG.

[@IgorStropnik]

Exactly 👍 When racing Lagoons I always get the best results sailing sharp upwind and butterfly downwind.

[@robertkoch3976]

Igor, I much appreciate your humour 😊as well as your teaching skills. Well done

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@Freddyshred666]

hi igor. been watching liveaboard video for almost a decade. and i've set my mind on buying a catamaran i have watch all your video. actually i watchsome more then once.. i want to say tabk you for all the guidance. i have set my self 10 years to save invest to creat a passif income and buy my own catamaran. i have reaseach classes so i can pit to test all of the great tips ypu've share. you are by fare one of the most useful ressource when ot comes to sailing i have found. that you and may the wind blow you safely fast across oceans.. in ten 10 years maybe i will cross your path in person and personnaly thank you..

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Appreciate 🍻

[@davorpernar1096]

Love your videos Igor. Wish I could sail with you to learn more. You seem like a top bloke. Croatia looks amazing. the Monohull at 3:25 minutes Is unbelievable. The ego of those people is just unbelievable. Lots of cowboys over there. Some have too much money but no knowledge. If you ask them they will tell you they know everything haha. Thank you for the knowledge. One of the best sailing tutorials around. Maybe a lady in a bikini would boost the channel's numbers a little haha. All the best mate. Zdravo

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@funghouls5498]

Long but very informative Catamaran info. Thank you.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@jport3707]

Igor, well done. You are one of the best (if not the best) cat instructors on the net.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@poprostuadas]

You should be sponsored by Supreme Sails :D awesome videos, great practice knowledge, fun to watch and learn :) hope this year we'll get another episode of "How to Sail a Catamaran"! cheers from Poland!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Hope to film more 👍

[@aqua-consilium]

Your video randomly come up and it was in background. But more and more I started watching it. You have some great nuggets in your videos. Great tips. Learned a lot, and I thought I knew a lot :D Svaka cast. Samo naprijed.

[@IgorStropnik]

Hvala 🙏🍻

[@rickhofbauer3661]

Great job, a sailing vid that actually is educational lol. Just finished a passage as crew on a 450 Lagoon from Carnis Australia to Kupang Indonesia Oct Nov.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@raphaelvallar7535]

Thanks for this video. A lot of informations. And Croatia is very beautiful. 👍

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks Raphael 🙏

[@holisticaustralia]

I really enjoyed your movie, I have a 30ft cat and would one day like a bigger boat, the 46 looks like a good size, a good idea teaching people the rules of the sea and good seamanship, I sometimes have troubles as I am usually on my own with one outboard in the centre, that means my 30ft boat sometimes feels like a 46fter. Thanks for all your good advice 🙏😊 3:51:05 Bollard I believe, in English.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@mikenkadehbc]

Mate you do some amazing trips with such simplistic gear well done

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@Fellipematheus]

Tem mta gente doida nesse mundo... kkkk... desencanem. Obrigado por compartilharem essa experiência maravilhosa. Queria ter esse vigor e disposição. Primeira coisa que eu faço domingo de manhã é acompanhar a construção. Me sinto parte da família. Obrigado.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@dano5866]

Very well done Igor. All of your videos are excellent. Safe voyages.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@MarViviendo]

in my last trip, in a hanse 461 using the same rope to put right the autotacking gib. very good video again 🙌🙌🙌🙌

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@MarViviendo]

@@IgorStropnik thanks u 😅💪

[@kevinmacan2262]

very informative info you are putting out.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@Sober_Sailor]

Other then skipping the Columbia River bar which as u said numerous times about planning . Which is a must but the last 15times over this bar the boat was on autopilot and wonderful conditions all because of planning. Astoria is great and illwaco is a nice little town with a gas dock and England marine . It is a tight entrance so stay within the bouys and follow the chart.

[@muk5production]

Thank you so much for this video, always lots of valuable information and experiences, I was watching it between world cup games.. Now i have lots of new information i need to practice it next summer.. keep it up

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@HjDeck-MarineFlooring]

Love your sailing videos, very aspirational!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@MarkHansen1990]

That last part so typical of marinas world wide. People need to learn seamanship before they ruin their boats and others boats. Love your cat it's awesome and this was a great informative video.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@ColGadarby]

Most people don't let anywhere near enough chain out - even experienced skippers. If you can free dive or snorkel it's worth taking a look and seeing how the chain ended up...

[@IgorStropnik]

Exactly 👍🙌🍻

[@RoBert-on1kb]

I didnt expect an indepth guide, but now I even learned how to helm a schlauchboot

[@IgorStropnik]

🙏🙌🍻

[@paulkopp3634]

Thank you , informative as ever . Really enjoyed this .

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@billcrystal]

Your a great teacher!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@andrejstropnik9115]

Very interesting tutorial!

[@charliegoff5026]

Good video. Look up how to properly attach the chain to the anchor. You want it attached with high strength zip ties at the end where you have the chain now and chain it to the other eyelet closes to the plow. That way if the anchor gets jammed when trying to retrieve it, it will break the zip ties and lift straight up on the plow

[@IgorStropnik]

Good idea 👍🙏

[@daveleclair9201]

Nice too see you back.

[@IgorStropnik]

🙌🍻

[@yyawnin]

i was watching nexpo and i set my yt to autoplay and fell asleep, woke up to this

[@goodson77784]

now you're a sailor

[@yehudaorzel2721]

lol same

[@swim2kill]

i love when that happens. sometimes i start getting tired if the content i watch and don't know how to break the cycle but then the algorithm does for you while you sleep haha

[@MikeStoj-wl8ct]

Same

[@jasonlo8780]

ZzzzzZZZZxzzzzzz

[@st1985st1985]

najbolji kraj :) hvala!

[@IgorStropnik]

🙌

[@jerrycallender7604]

Greetings from a new subscriber in Tucson, Arizona USofA. I just discovered your channel and have learned SO much in such a short amount of time. I'm planning to move to the Sea of Cortez and am looking at 3-4 boats in San Carlos.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🙌🍻

[@oferefrat]

Hi Igor, I really enjoyed watching your video and hope you keep enjoying it.... can you please share the sailing path?

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 This was filmed in mid to south Croatia.

[@wesleyduke4546]

Sorry to see that the kids are unwell these days. Hope they bounce back soon 🙏

[@Wayne_Nero]

Lots of knowledge here! Thx

[@IgorStropnik]

My pleasure! Thanks🙏

[@lecatechismedugenrehumain5916]

Precious youtube channel...

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@SenpaiSchuda]

2:05:45 That was very, very interesting. Wind to wing on a catamaran in comparison to a monohull.

[@mvakleko]

Yes very smart to catch that wind off the main with the head sail 👏 my question on that set up why not the genoa vs the jib. Was the wind too strong? It didn’t look that bad. Then he switched to wing on wing with both jib and genoa which is probably better to deal with changing wind and don’t put too much strain on the main preventer. That thing could also snap in a huge gust and lots of force there.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@IgorStropnik]

Crew was learning so we slowly put bigger sails.

[@davidmilner3575]

Good luck with the expedition!!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@pvdneste]

with the 3-5 times depth rule you should include the distance form water to the attachment points of the anchor bridle for the depth. so: 2 meters of water would give 6 - 10meters of chain (theoreticaly) but with an attachment point of the bridle say 1m above water you will need 3x(2+1) = 9m --- 5x(2+1)=15m of chain out.

[@IgorStropnik]

It is about chain laying on ground near anchor which depends from wind strength. Also how well anchor is holding. With bad hold put much more chain as friction on ground will help. Practice and observe anchor with mask.

[@Daceysails]

We just did this route (July) and watched this episode in preparation. Unfortunately as we rounded the bend and were just 10nm from the anchorage we lost our steering gear and drifted for a day before being found by Yemeni fishermen who towed us 50nm back to socotra. I remember those waves and wind speeds well! Our boat is still anchored next to the wreck, awaiting to be fixed!

[@martinleepgg]

Excellent tutorial, thanks

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@Eznot2cme]

Very educational. Thank you

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@doriswilliams9719]

great job done thank yu for sharing

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@stefanhoezda3342]

Hello igor I've watched nearly all of your KZbin. It's been great to watch. Good job. I'm hoping to sail there soon..Kind regards Stefan

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@stefanhoezda3342]

Hello igor..my wife and I would like to come to Croatia and sail for two weeks in September? Before it gets to hot. But warm enough to swim. How's the availability for boat then.and who should we go threw.and we would like you to skipper. If possible. Cheers stefan

[@IgorStropnik]

@@stefanhoezda3342 This year is already fully booked but 2024 is available. Please contact me via www.alivesailing.com

[@troymckoy113]

LoL I fell asleep and YT auto-picked this vid for me. I woke up to 35 mins (exaggerated??) of him going on and on and on about the small sail and how great it is. Was that a low key subliminal ad for ACTIVE CRUISES!?

[@IgorStropnik]

That Code 0 is really amazing 🙌👍🍻

[@sebastianh.7045]

Insanely good learning video. Thanks a lot for this. Would you recommend a few bays where you anchored. We are there this year in September 🙂

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Go to bays in my videos and you will be good 👍

[@sebastianh.7045]

@@IgorStropnik: The problem is that you often just say that there is a wunderful bay but you say no name and show no map 😞

[@ChrisBashforth]

We don’t say a boat has “right of way”, the “stand on” boat should keep straight and keep speed. 😁 loving the videos. Have been to Croatia a couple of times - wonderful sailing.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Lost in translation

[@EdwardTilley]

Great tutorials

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@Cheers_Warren]

Good instruction Igor for ‘charter boats’. Go anchoring bridal are there any hard points to attach at the end of the Alum crossbar? On a friends cat he does that and has a prod/sprit like you had. 💯%gloves👍👍👍 Cheers Warren

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Some boats have cleats on crossbars.

[@AngeloXification]

The rules of the "road" when it comes to boats seems purely logical based on course trajectories. Maybe it's a good thing we don't have flying cars yet 😅

[@nomidair]

Love your videos! I have not heard you talk about Orcas off the coast of Gibraltor.

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 I have never seen them. Probably there are less in winter.

[@xriss5462]

superb advice

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@denyswoodroffe490]

How I wish I could spend time sailing with you, as it has been a while since I went sailing. Kiwi

[@IgorStropnik]

🍻

[@nffremote]

Thank you!

[@IgorStropnik]

🙏👍🙌🍻

[@michaeleisner6509]

hello Igor, nice work. I sent it to my crew to review the issues addressed. Do you have a video sailing the cats in strong winds or stormy weather?

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 There is some in my delivery videos.

[@dbobriakov]

Thanks for the video! Do you know the model of that collapsible chair? Looks very interesting. Thanks

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Chair is from Amazon.

[@dbobriakov]

@@IgorStropnik thanks! Do you remember the name/model? I will have a look)

[@IgorStropnik]

@@dbobriakov don’t remember. You will find it.

[@rosskelly8268]

Very interesting. Thank you:)

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@masterblaster2626]

Something tells me that you weren't expecting everyone to fall out of the dinghy and into the water! I think that they may have pulled a good joke on you there!

[@IgorStropnik]

Should throw them in water for doing it 😃😂

[@manusoc]

15m + 2x depth is a good anchor guide

[@frozen-o4b]

igor.. use the person lift, to get to the top of the mast, to get your grandparents, from the boat in and out of the water :)

[@IgorStropnik]

Good idea 👍

[@hezi973]

Such beautiful cruising grounds but it suck being on edge all the time waiting for some idiot to collide with you boat. I think I would have stayed out on anchor or on a mooring ball and come to town with the dinghy. Another thing I found different from the US was not talking on the radio to announce your intentions or to ask other boaters why are they not keeping safe distance. I wander why is that... Great video. While I am waiting on my Elba 45, I am learning lots of good seamanship from your videos Mr Igor. Thank you!

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@igorg7949]

Hi Igor, Can you share by any chance who did flexible solar installation of this beautiful catamaran? Thank you in advance.

[@IgorStropnik]

Don’t know.

[@igorg7949]

is there anyway you can find this out or i can contact the owner? I am getting new L46 #537 in about a month and would like to install flexible solar rather then arch. I like the panels in the video because they don't have connectors sticking out. may be you can recommend a contractor who can put similar on my boat.

[@3tsedwards]

Loved this video. I was in Sailing in Croatia in Oct (Vis, Korchula, Havar, Split). Loved it, but we did not have much wind. When is your favorite time to sail in Croatia?

[@IgorStropnik]

I like june, july, september. Sometimes good winds sometimes no winds. Thanks 🙏

[@robert-9754]

@@IgorStropnik a lahko posnameš kakšen video o jadranju / jahtanju med nevihto? npr. med prečkanjem atlantika znajo biti včasih kar hude, tudi na mediteranu znajo biti kakšni cikloni... koliko sploh zdržijo taki Neel, FP, lagooni (oz. koliko visoke valove)? nekateri sicer potujejo s takimi jadrnicami praktično po celem svetu, tako da najbrž kar dosti.

[@IgorStropnik]

@@robert-9754 Takrat ponavadi pozabim na snemanje. Na kameri vse zgleda mirno, no colnu pa mislis da je 10m val.

[@robert-9754]

@@IgorStropnik ja, to sem že večkrat videl na raznih kanalih, na kameri niti ne zgleda tako hudo, razen če imaš npr. kakšno drugo ladjo za referenco, da lahko vidiš, kako izgine med valovi. mislil sem tudi bolj tko, do and don'ts jadranja v slabem vremenu.

[@vasiliypanamskiy]

Спасибо за ролик 👍

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@svevergreen3370]

Not pretending to be an expert but seems to me the issue with that genoa is that its too big for where the traveler is located so you don't have enough backward pull to shape it appropiately and so that's why you have to add that extra line. If you had a track or something with a car pushed back you would be able to pull it nicely without having to add that extra line :0

[@jwatch9517]

Very nice Sail boat Igor wow..

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@МаксимОрлов-п2ф]

I am watching again this "How to sail Catamaran" series. Its so relaxing )) Nice job! I have a question, please. Is monohull or catamaran easier for singlehanded sailing in your opinion?

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Probably catamaran as it is more stable and comfortable. But both is ok.

[@samj11791]

Reverse vs forward with engines on a cat seems similar to a shopping trolley swinging a lot less when you pull it backwards

[@segelabenteuer75]

Again thank you very much. A lot of thins I know, but I´m happy that you work it the same way. Also a learn a lot of new thinks, good work und very helpfull. But the DELTA Anchor was not setteld right one time. They was alsways much to less in the grabbel. So funny to watch it again and again ;-)

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@yomotaroch9018]

Great clip

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@VinceMcLachlan]

The rules of the "road" when it comes to boats seems purely logical based on course trajectories. Maybe it's a good thing we don't have flying cars yet

[@IgorStropnik]

Flying cars will have to be auto pilot driven.

[@c.a.mcneil7599]

Like how you sail. Start a race. but don’t inform the other parties the race is on.

[@IgorStropnik]

They know. Sixth sense 😃

[@torvictur]

@@IgorStropnik anchoring in posidonia?? bad very bad.

[@hterrebrood]

1:31 the water is gin clear, but where is the sea life?

[@IgorStropnik]

Not much. Overfished. But no sharks 🦈😃

[@Zz-yomomfugazzi]

1:03:38 the man has skills.

[@rickhodges1731]

Sorry if I missed this does it have a black tank for the toilet? Saw another one of their vans that did not have a black tank for the toilet. Thought that was very odd.

[@IgorStropnik]

Yes. All this cruising cats have it.

[@rickhodges1731]

@IgorStropnik Thanks. For that price, it would have to. An amazing vehicle.

[@aranet3122]

Congratulation Igor. Such a great discovery. What a exccellent master Class, pls let me know where to email you. En joy one of the video in you tube about Catamaran experience. gracias

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 www.alivesailing.com

[@aranet3122]

familiy, enternaiment and close to Caribbean Marinas and Spain.

[@clarisd]

Hello Igor, finally I get notices for your channel!?! From time to time I must look to see if the notice bell is still on, this morning I checked and it was off! Monkey business I guess! I desired to ask if you will be doing any deliveries this winter season of vessels to the Carribean or The Bahamas, US??? Also a grand Thank you for your channel, Lerning the set up of The Cats I find very interresting. I came up when the most tech that was on a vessel was The radio!!! Other than that everything else was all manual! LOL

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏 Probably take some time home this winter.

[@zach2314]

Does the 5200 stick to the Gel coat well? Or is it used mainly for sealant with a little holding power?

[@IgorStropnik]

5200?

[@harryecke5399]

The videos are cool. And a special Kick come in Kehre, when one iOS wäre about other videos from You in which You Computer the boat to a „Lagoon“ ^^

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏

[@mvakleko]

Too funny at 1:00:00 🤣🤣🤣 was this the crews idea to prank you?

[@IgorStropnik]

😀👍 yes

[@aranet3122]

I liked Tanna 47 (FP) may you have suggestions?

[@IgorStropnik]

Haven’t sailed it yet.

[@3070stew]

2:53:07 Where do we get those sun glasses from ....is there a website we can order them from

[@IgorStropnik]

Julbo Race 2.0 with octopus lenses.

[@МаксимОрлов-п2ф]

You have installed solar panels and cleats. Is this your catamaran? ))

[@IgorStropnik]

From charter company. I am just the driver.

[@ronbaker6981]

Why not use a bridle at mooring? They support very nicely.

[@IgorStropnik]

Doesn’t work in Croatia. Explained in details before.

[@Outdoor-zw6pw]

video molto interessante, fatto molto bene e spiegato con tanta competenza, peccato non sia in italiano, grazie mille comunque

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@lebrel2010]

According to your experience, an omun trimaran catamaran is more stable. Thanks for your answer.

[@IgorStropnik]

Cruising cats and tris are all plenty stable. Tris have little more side movement than cats.

[@lebrel2010]

@@IgorStropnik thanks a lot

[@MattSullivn]

Hey! I’m doing research into dinghy sailing the Great Lakes and wanted to know what advise or info you have. I saw your video from 8 years ago on the Croatian coast. My trip is ~500 miles ~800km I was thinking it would take 30 days. Based on your speed it might be 20? And advise on how to not kill myself?

[@IgorStropnik]

Do it smart 🙌

[@MattSullivn]

@@IgorStropnik I’ve been a canoe guide for two summers, 14 day trips are what I normally take out but it’s inland lakes. I’ve got the waterproof bags. No dry suit, but I’m thinking about getting one. I’ve got a gps, I’m a tad surprised you don’t have a vhf handheld. But 100% do it smart

[@IgorStropnik]

@@MattSullivn You can do it! 🙌

[@Mars21681]

@@MattSullivn requesting "advice" -you're not "advising" him on anything

[@MattSullivn]

@@Mars21681 idk wym tbh

[@rkstreeter]

they're not ropes on a sailboat they're called LINES!!

[@danzacjones]

It doesn’t matter , I know yachtmasters that have 40,000 nm that call it “ropes” to be sympathetic to others around them they change the language

[@iangesman5847]

Clear step by step, great job, fir new and old sailors. Like, sub, hit the bell 👍🛎😎🛎

[@IgorStropnik]

Thanks 🙏🍻

[@chimangoestudios]

Che la re historia se armó ahora queremos saber cómo siguee