How to Set Extra Bass Feature Yamaha AVENTAGE AV Receivers

[@DwightPouer]

I totally had my receiver set wrong. Thanks for the video. I’ve had this yamaha for over a decade, and I never adjusted it correctly because I don’t have a clue about this tech stuff. After watching your video, it’s like having a brand new surround stereo system. This is incredible. Thanks

[@roscomonk]

Hi I received my RXA6A and set it up yesterday WOW. I first set the speaker system up manually, I set up my Golden Ears Triton 2+ floor standers to large and frequency cross over to 80Hz. But when I ran the YPAO, the system changed my speakers to small and changed the frequency to120 Hz? ? and yes I had my bass set up with extra bass which I have now turned off. So far very impressed, I have now removed my near new Cambridge CXA81 out of the system and will probably sell it. THOSE WHO SAY YOU CANT GET HIGH PERFORMANCE AUDIO OUT OF AN AVR NEED TO TAKE A SECOND LOOK. This receiver certainly satisfies my audio appetite.

[@Rockhurst22]

Oh wow, I'd be very curious what the Denon products do in comparison and you're the only one that will be able to determine that haha. Thank you.

[@Audioholics]

Denon "LFE+Main" does it correctly and doesn't do the weird bass boost when the mains are set to small.

[@stephenmcgauley]

Happy to see the aventage getting some love. I did NOT have mine set to small and on. But I am now going to play with setting them up as large with the extra bass on :). Thanks gene. Look forward to the PEQ part cus this is where I need help.

[@FormMutaed]

Finally, awesome explanation. I have listened and be my guest, I heard the difference and i like it. From now on, music large 80 extra bass on, movies small 120. Thanks Gene.

[@normansoh]

Thanks Gene. I had used Extra Bass feature on my old Yamah RXV677 receiver.. But since your previous video relating to Pure Direct, my setup with two channel stereo with subwoofer now involves sending music via external DAC and Phono stage to analogue inputs on the receiver, turning on Pure Direct and connecting a REL T7x subwoofer via high level Neutrik Speakon interconnect cable (hence using my receiver as a power amp only in this setup).. Stereo music is sounding so pure to my ears!!

[@leiflofholm712]

You can access a web-interface in the receiver by typing the IP-address followed by /setup/. This is a really easy way to make changes on the fly without having to bother with the onscreen GUI. This works for a lot of Yamaha receivers. And no, no problem with the extra bass setting, got the hang of it way back when setting up a (then) brand new RX-V2600.

[@sg1ds919]

My IP address plus setup?

[@Musicman369]

I have the Aventage Rxa 3050, when I set my mains to large I couldnt get hardly any bass out of my sub, so I changed to small then it worked well. But I also went into the setting and send all the low signal to the sub. ( 80hrz) So all my mains play highs, mids it sounds great. ( Klipsch rp 280s). Figured let the sub handle all low so mains focus on highs & mids on a 2way speaker. Setting the speakers took a time playing with tow in & so on, now great center imaging, I swear sometimes I get up to make sure my center speaker is off and it is but it sounds like it is playing. Wow, I havent found the boosted bass but hearing your video on it Im glad I didnt. Specially after seeing the graph you put up, what a mess in measuements. 😱 I like your channel because its mostly scienced based, not subjective opinion based. Thxs

[@shemsureshot]

I have the A6A and am incorrectly using extra bass. I just assumed the extra bass did something different to what you explained. I’ll correct it when I next turn it on and see if I notice anything. Thank you.

[@mcarr416ix]

This was a great video and very informative. I know it's a bit older but just wanted to leave a quick note. I'm only running smaller bookshelves (B&W) on an older Yamaha receiver, but I found this info very interesting. I've had the speakers set to small and crossover set to 80hz for a while. Decided to give this a try and set the speakers to large with extra bass ON, wow, very noticeable difference. Definitely not full range capable speakers, but I really prefer the "fullness" of the sound like this. I also only have a single smaller SVS subwoofer so the extra bass up front really helps with blending the low frequencies into the sound stage. I'm not sure how graphs would measure this but I really like this sound, especially at mid to lower volumes. I also live in a condo so there's no reference levels happening here by any means, and this sounds great at my listening level. Thanks Gene.

[@alexgarza6195]

Thank you Gene, with a the confusion on the internet you clearly was spot-on my Avr RXA4A sounds wonderful. Great work Gene,

[@parabellum4221]

Interesting!! I have a Yamaha AVR RXA4A paired with front Klipsch Towers. I just enabled the Extra Bass along with another setting in the same menu for Clarity, and I found that when I turned the front speakers to LARGE, the speakers lost Bass and gained Highs. When I turned the same front speakers to SMALL, the extra Bass is heard and felt and the Highs are blended in very nice. I kept the front speakers as SMALL as I can definitely hear and feel the difference as opposed to setting them to LARGE. I tried this back and forth and even the Warden (Wife) approved. I like Big Bass and I cannot Lie!

[@whoofman2013]

I am having the same results with my Klipsch Towers and my Yamaha RX-V479. Music sounds much better with towers set to small and Extra Bass turned on. It seems to tame the highs a bit to a level I enjoy and the bass sounds good to me. It's odd that people think this is wrong as Yamaha clearly states in their manual that Extra Bass offers enhanced low-frequency response even with small speakers.

[@mcarr416ix]

@@whoofman2013 nobody is saying it's "wrong", the video is just showing you what it does to the frequency response. If you like how it sounds with the speakers set to small and extra bass on, use it. Audiophiles like to target a specific frequency response but this isn't always the most appealing sound to everyone. Enjoy your speakers how they sound best to you.

[@TheFINZFAN]

@mcarr416ix Yes, he did say it was wrong and could do damage to the speakers.

[@audiem2924]

Thanks. After months of experimenting I have found that to be my ideal setting for music, Mains set to large 80hz Extra Bass. Nice to see it confirmed with the graphs. I look forward to seeing your PEQ findings. For music I use Front PEQ

[@TurboGuy979]

If you’re setting your mains to large you’re negating the crossover, they are getting full bandwidth. Crossover is only engaged when set to small, i.e. you can’t set to large AND use crossover settings.

[@Olrosse]

@@TurboGuy979 i would imagine it's an LFE crossover, so basically just a lowpass for the sub and not for the mains

[@mcarr416ix]

@@TurboGuy979 I know this is an older comment, but he's telling you in the video how the extra bass toggle on the receiver functions. When you have your main speakers set to large they are receiving full bandwidth, but with extra bass turn ON and the cross over set at 80hz, the frequencies 80hz and below are now being sent your mains AND your subwoofer.

[@alexgarza6195]

Great job Gene li had my yamaha set to extra bass after watching the vedio an madee the change now I Love it my duel bass, now sounds fan fantastic

[@ralphgalbraith4142]

I'm not a technology genius actually My technology knowledge is basically zero. But this was educational because I am thinking of setting up my own theater/music system in my living room. And you break it down too simplify things very much appreciate it. And I will be a full-time subscriber. Once again thank you.

[@mkhaudio]

Hi Gene . this is from Yamaha RX-V2085 : Extra Bass (Extra Bass) Enables/disables Extra Bass. When Extra Bass is enabled, you can enjoy enhanced bass sounds, regardless of the size of the front speakers and the presence or absence of the subwoofer.

[@rainman3269]

Thanks so much for all the work you do to make our listening experience so much better and easy to setup ... Cheers Gene

[@Saturn2888]

This is crazy. I thought Extra Bass enabled the subwoofer in Straight 2ch output. WHOA. I had no clue! I've had it on this WHOLE TIME on MULTIPLE receivers.

[@doc666ify]

I have yamaha receivers for years and i totally agree with you. I have tower speakers but set them to small i keep the extra bass feature off otherwise the bass sounds like its fighting with speakers.

[@VGiena]

Lets go gene, im waiting on your measurements to decide which AVR to purchase. And support gene and audioholics our CDC for audio! 👊🥼🩺🔊🎶😊

[@tobywenzel8452]

So glad I came across this video. I have a RX-A3080 and music just didn't sound good from my front Kef towers. My previous Denon was pretty easy to set up with main+subwoofer, but the Yamaha setup doesn't clearly explain this and it was driving me crazy. I had played with the extra bass feature, but thought it was a simple "loudness" button because it sounded muddy. Now I understand and just have to run through YPAO again. Thanks for the help!

[@edwardsanchez3708]

What settings do you have for your parametric equipment freq? Q? Gain? I have always found the settings fidgety and not as satisfactory as my 15-year-old denon, that has a way easier classic eq to deal with

[@jaquestraw1]

So glad I saw this vid! I have an RX-A4A coming tomorrow and I could have easily missed this on initial setup!

[@alexgarza6195]

Thanks Gene what a great vedio

[@stirl22]

Hi, I have the RX-A2A and yes, I stumbled across this by accident. I had extra bass on and front towers set to small (Mission LX6 MK2) and extra bass on, I found I was over compensating with my SVS SB1000 PRO settings, I tried changing the fronts to large and BOOM!! Back down to normal sub settings and now it sings! (Also running Tibo pa150 power amps) Paul. Nottingham. England 🇬🇧

[@ian.new.life.]

Im from sheffield and thinking of getting the a6a its a lot to spend though

[@stirl22]

@@ian.new.life. Richer sounds knocked £150 off for me £750 from £900.

[@imanosmand1517]

Thanks for all the informations Sir...i've already turned off that 'extra bass' after listening to your advise...god bless..🙏

[@mrsittingmongoose]

Awesome video, can you please be sure you cover the bass management of ypao and that bass mode of ypao in your review? That’s a very interesting topic to me.

[@KelvinAung95]

Another issue I was running into was when I use the YPAO to optimize it, for some reason it always sets my sub to -10db and I don’t understand why. For right now I just have to manually turn it back up to 0 just so I can hear the subwoofer and the subwoofer can do subwoofer things. If not you can clearly hear its not doing anything. But this video did answer why my sub was on sometimes and wasn’t at other times. Thought my sub was going out. I had the Sony receiver before and it seemed easier to use. At least for the optimization part. Still learning this receiver.

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

What a great video Gene. Very useful and insightful! Thanks for your hard work! Still trying to decide between Anthem MRX 1140 and Yamaha RX A8A. Waiting for your A6A review to help me decide! Cheers from France

[@wild291]

J'ai lu sur un forum anglais qu'il y a des problèmes techniques avec les MRX Anthem au niveau de la reconnaissance du signal audio HDMI et que tu peux attendre longtemps pour avoir une réponse de leur part. Il y avait un gars qui attendait depuis 10 jours une réponse.J'étais intéressé par le 540 mais après ce que j'ai lu j'attends de voir les tests des Yam où j'irai sur du Marantz.Remarque j'ai lu aussi sur Son-video qu'il y a des problèmes avec l'eArc des derniers Yamaha.

[@raphaelmeillat8527]

@@wild291 merci. C'est chiant en ce moment entre les prix qui grimpent, les commandes en attente, les problèmes de "hand shake" hdmi entre TV et AVR, le 8K problématique, etc... On a connu des temps plus simples !

[@mohammedisaa9952]

This is his comment in english...... "I read on an English forum that there are technical problems with the MRX Anthem in terms of recognizing the HDMI audio signal and that you can wait a long time to get an answer from them. There was a guy who had been waiting for 10 days for an answer. I was interested in the 540 but after what I read I am waiting to see the Yam tests where I will go on Marantz. Note I read also on Son-video that there are problems with the eArc of the latest Yamahas."...... Dont like the sound of that.......

[@mohammedisaa9952]

Here is the reply to the comment... "THANKS. It's boring at the moment between rising prices, pending orders, hdmi "hand shake" problems between TV and AVR, problematic 8K, etc... We've seen simpler times!"..... Seems like the french are as sick of this faulty "new" technology as we all are....

[@mariocamou8814]

Would the Yamaha TSR-700 have this same settings on the extra bass feature while main speakers are set to small? Thx in advancr

[@JReilly83881]

Awesome video! I have the Adventage RX-A3080. I admit I have ran extra bass with my right and left RBH towers set to small for music. I have to say I enjoy music the most in Yamahas Pure Direct mode.

[@AlexGtheDon]

I have an Aventage rx-a760 receiver, and I had some time exploring this without really having any support, and I immediately noticed that the “large” speaker setting would have the sub off on anything other than using Atmos or surround in general. I wound up having to set my speakers to small (B&W CC6 center and DM601’s (for all other speakers) Despite the receiver picking them up as large speakers when I used the Yamaha YPAO. It was frustrating, but I finally realized in order to use my subs (2) M&K 75ii 12”s, I had to set them all to small. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@GayleGrantDocGrant]

I have Focal Chorus 5 front towers..should this be set as 'small'? I also have Focal Dome's for surrounds and just purchased 4 ceiling/high speakers for atmos.. I'm running a Yamaha Aventage RX-A3040 receiver..thoughts? THANKS much!

[@krjsports2163]

Thanks for the great video Gene! You just helped me make a huge improvement to my system. In fact, I’m enjoying it so much I can’t turn it off 😂 Large fronts with extra bass toggled on. Wow!

[@rolandw181]

Thanks Gene, I totally agree, Extra Bass was not necessary for my Topline Aventages (RX-A3080/3060/3050) since it led to a boomy bass. On the other hand, I have a specific case where it helps: I am driving an 2 way system (4 inch in closed cabinet) in my bathroom with the lower end RX-A660. Speakers are lacking of bass from about 130 Hz and lower and there is no place for a subwoofer. Thus I am using high pass for the small speakers, subwoofer 'on' (though there is no subwoofer connected, but you cannot set main speakers to large without subwoofer) and extra bass 'on'. This kind of compensates the lack of bass. Furthermore 4 inches are protected by a 40 Hz filter which acts like a kind of subsonic filter. Ok, it's not a real audiophile sond in my bathroom, but fun and a much more linear frequency curve than withour extra bass (I should check it with REW). Looking forward to seeing the results of RX-A6A measurements, especially about the Low Frequency Mode. I cannot believe what Phil Shea told aboout it: LFM just identifies problematic modes and consumers will have to correct it themselves with REW equipment and PEQ?? That's not user friendly and no fully automatic YPAO. Regards, Roland

[@KillerSneak]

Always nice to see a new vid being released ❤️

[@DerekBove]

Thank you for this. The entire time I've owned my A3070 I've been confused by the setting. Does it only impact the L/R channels? i.e. I could run the mains Large and the rest of the speakers small crossed over.

[@Audioholics]

Yes that is fine to do.

[@heathatkins2837]

Thank you so much. I think I'm about to go with another brand. It's so hard to find info about settings on this Yamaha. Just seems the sub output is lacking bad on the low end

[@michaelgentile8819]

I'm wondering I have this reciever the a4a . So far I have one subwoofer hooked up and just wondering if I should get a second one ?

[@marct9587]

Back to the old "loudness" button that audio receivers used to have back in the day?! It seems we've come full circle.

[@VCULoneWolf]

Loudness boosts more frequencies than just bass.

[@marct9587]

@@VCULoneWolf Yeah, I know that. But it seems similar.

[@stevemott4603]

As always very informative. I have front towers set to large and all others small. I did activate extra bass.

[@JAYWHITEHITHARD]

Great video! I had extra bass turned on while speakers was set to small at 80hz😬 And after your video i turned it off immediately👍🏻

[@tannerpetrie8101]

I just ended up buying some rp 8000f and would like to do extra bass but can I run the 8000f playing loud like 100db right at the speaker when it's set to large without damaging anything lol I'm also running subs

[@frankv7774]

I have a Yamaha RX A880 with Elac debut towers and two Definitive Technology subs. When I set speakers to large the ability to set the crossover on the mains turns off... anyone know why? Great video my assumption was you should always have mains set to small when using a sub....thanks.

[@TurboGuy979]

If you’re setting your mains to large you’re negating the crossover, they are getting full bandwidth. Crossover is only engaged when set to small, i.e. you can’t set to large AND use crossover settings.

[@feeltheburntk9893]

Does the RX-V6A / TSR-700 also have this issue with the speakers set to small and extra bass enabled? I’m curious because I love my 5.1.2 setup and it sounds amazing in movies and atmos music but as soon as the next song plays in stereo it’s a complete let down that only my front channels play and not my subwoofers. My speakers are all set to small and I was hoping to kick some audio down to the subwoofer during 2ch playback

[@alxblyth]

Thanks Gene. I have a Rx-a2a and have B&W shelf speakers as mains and set to small. I also turn on extra bass to get the sub working when listening to 2 channel audio. What do you recommend in this case?

[@Skylarkberto]

Hello I am confused a need recommendations. I ordered the Yamaha Aventage A6@. I currently have a 5.0 system. I wanted to upgradw to a 5.0.4 atmos. I would like to get a preamp for my front L/R speakers. I have oñder Cerwin Vega VS series 15”, there RMS is 500 watt each. What type, brand or wattage do I look for. Econ price please. Also atmos speakers (mounted on-wall not in-wall) can you help me please.

[@LoZioOscar]

Nice Video TY I love Adventage, but I have a question, I have this speakers configuration: B&W - 3 FPM4 front and center and 2 FPM2 for rear. Is it correct setup LARGE the front and center? Ty

[@CharleyClose]

Great video! I'm wanting to get an A8A, however, I can't find one. Any suggestions?

[@davidrivera2165]

Great heads up Gene. I've set up my Yamaha for small on all channels, but cross over at 40 hz on mains ( Deftech ST-L towers), 60 for center, 80 hz for sorround and heighr channels. I dont feed LFE to the built in 10" subs in the Deftechs, just to my two SVS sb13. (crossover at 45 hz, with in room gain 31 hz). I have an additional 10" Deftech sub supercube that I feed LFE at 80 hz for two channel + sub. It works great. I love Yamaha have used them for over 20 years, far more musical and accurate than any Denon or Marantz. Thanks Gene

[@Harald_Reindl]

try 60 Hz and 100 Hz for surround speakers - you will be impressed

[@dr.anthonyforgione4253]

Mm, Yamaha generally, has a sound signature that’s lighter in bass, but more emphasis on highs/treble. Denon and Marantz emphasize bass more than Yamaha, yet are still clear in the highs. It’s about sound preference of course. Yamaha has always sounded almost sibilant to me, and I prefer a warmer sound, with more muscular, more substantial and solid bass, so I prefer the Denon/Marantz sound signature. Build quality is very good in all 3. Cheers.

[@MonkeBlak]

I need HELP! I have a Yamaha A2A and i notice that every time i turn it ON, does not show that the speakers are connected. I have to turn it OFF and ON again in order for them to work. Is this a Normal thing!? My old Yamaha did not have this problem.

[@frankiejoey]

Hello!!! Just one question... I have a pair of main Goldenear Triton which comes each one with powered amplified subwoofers 1,600 watts with lfe inputs built in. This model manuals is very clear that you set them up as Large speakers and the option of connecting LFE cable from sub preout on avr to the internal lfe input on the main speakers. How do I get LFE signal to calibrate and align lfe responses if manual is already telling me to setup mains as Large speakers? Or what setup you recommend for this type of speakers? Thanks.... The only way I can think of is turning on the option on AVR that says LFE+Mains. 🤔🤔 I also have 2 extra on each side of room Goldenear Super Subs XXL and love the integration of all 4 powered subwoofers all together

[@mattgiunt]

Cant wait for your Yamaha PEQ video. Ive had two Yamaha Avantage receivers over the years and I just cant figure it out.

[@HardRockinRed]

I have the RX-A3070 with an Emotiva A3 on the front stage. I have been using Extra Bass for years with my speakers set to small. I will turn it off tonight and see if the sound is less boomy.

[@CroftWeatherman]

Hi, Just got my A6A, I do not have a sub, so my set up is 5.0 I guess. I have huge front speakers with 15" drives, work great on sub 50Hz sounds. Would you advise me to turn the Extra Bass on or leave it off? The second question is what is the best settings for the wonderful EQ the V6V has (PEQ). I love big powerful bass with lots of punch (Pink Floyd)

[@cvee2614]

Gene, great video(s). I have the RX A2A receiver driving a mix of small Canton Vento series mains and Plus D surrounds & presence and center speakers. I notice when I set all speakers to small to take advantage of low freq send to the subs, re-calibrating with YPAO re-sets the fronts, surrounds and presence speakers to large. Is there a workaround for this? Don't run the YPAO calibrate after setting speaker size in set-up?

[@showdieehekobwatts832]

Hi Gene. Is “Subwoofer Volume” crests a fake boom base or it’s actually tuning the original sound in Yamaha receivers .. Should we keep the level in the middle as default or it needs to be increased.. I’m using 2, SVS PB2000 PROS currently.. Let me know your thoughts

[@MrMaxi3140]

Awesome Gene, and can't wait for your PEQ for my Yami RX-A3080. Thank you for all you do for us.

[@jayroland9481]

Finally, after watching this clip for the third time I actually got around to following your directions for bass enhancement and wow, what a difference it has made so thank you. What urged me on was my just purchased Monitor Audio Silver 300 7G floorstanders sounded really rather bright and lacking bass. I left it 2 weeks hoping things would improve but they didn't hence my third visit to this clip. My amp is the older Aventage 3060 but clearly the same principle applies. Also I don't have a subwoofer. BTW, I assume me adjusting the bass & treble via the front facia buttons only applies to Pure Direct & Straight modes. Is that correct?

[@Audioholics]

@@jayroland9481 pure direct bypasses all EQ and tone controls.

[@SlowMtbRider]

Just switched extra bass this morning to "see" what would happen (columns set to large, and no subwoofer). I liiiiiike it a lot. It basically allows me to have more bass at a lower volume (use to crank up the volume to get the space filled with more bass, but no need for that with extra bass). Could it be placebo effect, maybe, but it sounds good with it

[@arisistible1]

Does the “Main Speaker” include the center? I currently have FL+FR to large with extra bass and C+SR+SL+Atmos LR to small. Is that what you are describing here? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly thank you.

[@JoshuaDircks]

Great Video. Just got the A4A set up and was wondering about this feature.

[@jon8888888]

Thank you very much for such factual knowledge. I shall be double checking my a6a settings and let you know.

[@andrewskaterrr]

After seeing the tear down with you and the Yamaha rep, I was very impressed and it would be at the top of my list of it weren’t for one thing…Dirac. If they had Dirac I’d be getting the RX-A8A. But I also wish it had 13.2 as I want front wides.

[@mrsittingmongoose]

Coming from a Marantz 7011 with audessy xt32, I think my a8a actually did a much better job with ypao. Everything integrated better, there is better positioning and sound direction, and I didn’t have to mess with levels as much. This is with a 7.2.2 setup, ymmv

[@MovieViking]

Hi Gene, thank you 🙏🏻 Most informative. Do you know if this is also the case with the RX-A3070 series? I never measured it with REW but I have tried setiing it on and concluded it sounded bad. My front Triangle speakers handles low frequencies poorly at high levels so they are set to small leaving the hard word to the subwoofers.

[@TheJimi74]

Thanks for this video! You can also find the extra bass option in the app.

[@prayingmantiskung-fu2037]

Just a little confusion you mentioned when you had your main set to large you still used an 80hz crossover? Being set to large means full bandwidth to the main channels. Or does that mean that you can have a normal bass configuration all small 80hz crossover for the subwoofers and then if you’re watching a movie you use it that way but then when you want to listen to music switch the extra bass on.

[@Dav_Rock]

Another great video from Gene! Waiting on my new Yamaha RX-A8A to arrive 🙏

[@alang5293]

Very interesting video, A6A’s finally landed in Australia last week, so picked mine up on the weekend. Connected 9.2 speakers, Installed latest firmware and ran YPAO. It selected all my B&W 700 series speakers as large. Thought sound was disappointing . I then changed all my speakers to small, except front speakers, and put in crossover frequencies. Turned on extra bass. Sounds much better now. Do we know if latest firmware fixes that weird frequency response if fronts are selected as small?

[@mohammedisaa9952]

They all want money..... i wonder how much yammy get paid from speaker manufacturers for sales of replacement speakers caused by their amps...... go A6A, just go A6A's.... 😂😂😂😂😂😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

[@degortarifitness5874]

Does this same principle and setup be applied to my old Advantage 3080?

[@Audioholics]

Very likely yes.

[@nothingtoseehere93]

Should I have this set on if I have towers with two 8 inch woofers and I am using 7.2? I would like the extra bass from my towers instead of setting them to small

[@Novilicious]

Thanks for showing us the PEQ on the next video Gene 🧬 ! I’m a big fan of running speakers full range, and running subs on top. I have 5200 pre pro so would love to hear your opinion on the pros and cons of running small vs large speaker setting with PEQ

[@stephenfrancisvoros382]

Wow, I own a 3070 and have never used Extra Base, I've had no need to. Looking forward to your take on PEQ.

[@SlowMtbRider]

I assume looking at the full range in main speakers is what you want when using high line on a REL Subwoofer as you want the sub to receive the the signal the speakers won’t be able to reproduce?

[@jlg23us]

I stumbled across this when going from auto decoder to 2 channel and my subs didn't turn on.. thought sub gain threshold was being factor in processor, and not enough voltage for turn on.. definitely sounds better in my case from using large front with extra bass on

[@josephfranzen5626]

Brilliant upload as usual Gene! I’ve been looking for info on Yamaha’s new line as you’ve delivered as usual Obi Wan.

[@mclement052164]

I have an Aventage RXA860. Hoping this knowledge equally applies as well to my receiver.

[@felixlaboy1453]

I’m so happy you did this video

[@josephcangelosi4414]

Gene, I have the 3080 set with speakers set to small as you recomend and use Extra Bass only when listening to older vinyl records or CDs that are bass anemic. They sound much better with Extra Bass on (all speaker on). Sometimes I also add the Enhancer to further improve the anemic bass. So better advise Yamaha to leave this function as is. Thanks! Joe C.

[@timoxx4]

Oh wow. Yes i have the A3070 and have the extra bass set to ON with all other speakers set to small. I have 4 subwoofers, one in each corner. And when i run REW i get a similar response to your measured graph with a dip at about 25-30hz and a peak at about 60hz. I thought it was just my room doing it and just tried to EQ as best i could after time alignment and put up with it. Now i need to go measure my subs again and turn that feature off.

[@XenogearsPS]

What about center channel? Should that be set too large or small? I have 6/5 inch bass drivers and on their website they say if they're that size then to leave them as large. I don't know though, because yamaha settings are weird compared to other av receivers.

[@thelonewolf666]

i leave extra bass on 100% of the time as its a great improvement in sound

[@TheJimi74]

I agree..but i am not yet using a subwoofer...

[@justoreinoso5494]

Oh wow! Thanks man!! I was going crazy about it. Excellent!!

[@bfons006]

Hi Gene! Thanks for another great video. This time however after following your recommendation my system is lacking significantly in the bass region. I have a cx-a5200 and found after a lot of trial and error that it sounded best when my towers were set to small and extra bass on. Now that I set them to large there is barely any bass with or without extra bass on. I have two subs btw. Can you help me figure out ? Thanks!

[@MovieViking]

Modal cancellations is playing tricks on you. Try simulating your room and speaker setup in REW. That will most likely explain it.

[@mrkokimoto81]

@@MovieViking I’ve got exactly the same problem and I’m not sure what exactly I should do to fix it. It just sounds better to me with the towers set to small and extra bass on

[@MovieViking]

@@mrkokimoto81 If it isn’t modal cancellations it can be the phase settings. I highly recommend simulating your room and setup in REW and be carefully filling in the data on your speakers - and when you simulate the configuration where the towers are set to small remember to adjust the cutoff frequency according to the crossover setting used in the receiver.

[@mohammedisaa9952]

Nice of a yammy rep to visit us...... guess they can spiel their way out of any systemic fault in their devices....... This is what you "beta testing monkeys" are used for, you're all working for yammaha after you baught into their piece of s hardware...... Good luck to you all, keep spending.....

[@joerobbi5485]

Thanks again Gene for another very informative video. Really appreciate you and all the Audioholics gang. You guys are awesome! I have a Yamaha scenario where my speakers are not gargantuan but I still want fronts set large and extra bass turned on...I own the babies to the speakers in your background. I like to let them roll off naturally with my subs playing along with them. I have a suggestion for Yamaha and the others. Instead of these manufacturer's giving us a work around, why can't they just give us a toggle to "Play Subs In Two Channel" and make it strait forward. While at it give us a way to set the low pass crossover settings when in this mode too so that we don't have to do it in another device. And most certainly as you have shown us so well take away the ability to have simultaneous "Small Setting" and "Extra Bass" turned on. 🗣GET VACCINATED PEOPLE 💉

[@wemetoffroad1498]

will the low pass of the sub be set to the same xover point when the mains are set to small or large and using extra bass? in other word can I choose to increase or decrease LPF even if they are set large. In your video the sub remains to 80hz

[@WoLShiverify]

Gene, can you try extra bass small with crossover @ 60 and 40 Hz instead ?

[@craigweidenheimer9441]

Nailed it! So odd that they have the small/large speaker conflict; and why use the term "extra bass" when what you are looking to do is engage the Sub in stereo? I would think most setups would want the sub engaged regardless of speaker size and source. If you have an imbalance in an exceptional case you can always turn the sub off at worst.

[@toddswenson]

I love the short vids. Thanks.

[@nativochileno7091]

EXCELENTE TRABAJO MUCHAS GRACIAS UN FUERTE ABRAZO DESDE SANTIAGO DE CHILE

[@thomasferguson139]

FYI for some of the older Yamaha receivers like the 2070 it's the "option button" that brings the extra bass option up

[@freakin13guy]

What about the “Subwoofer Phase” setting please?.. should this be set to (Normal) or (Reverse?)

[@fenogo94]

Muito bom esses gráficos. Em alguns testes realizados com Yamaha anterior e no atual, o Extra BASS deixava o som muito ruim com caixas pequenas! Explicado agora com essa análise dos gráficos,

[@dpdp006]

I have Yamaha 4850 and I have small lrc speakers and a sub - when i kickin this Extra Base i loose clearity of sound meaning some freq is missed it seem very strange sound. May be this explains it and yes i have set speakers to small as they r tiny

[@kevinweithers1223]

Hi Gene. Can you explain what happens if you set the front left and rigt speakers to "large " but have crossover set to 80hz? What would be the logic/advantage of this configuration vs a setting of "small " with an 80hz crossover.

[@matthewbir3180]

Setting front LR to large allows the speakers to receiver a full range frequency signal regardless of whether the drivers themselves can handle this. Ignore crossover at this point. When small configuration is selected along with an 80 hz crossover this will essentially route any signal below this mark to the subwoofer (ie. 50 hz). Bass frequencies are more difficult to drive and demand more from the amplifier/power supply. So part of the logic would entail that your receiver will run cooler or more efficiently as less is demanded of it.

[@pablosarti1216]

Does anyone knows whats the crossover number i get when i set my Yamaha 771 receiver to small speakers? I dont have an option to crossover the speakers, just the subwoofer. Thanks

[@itsdannyftw]

Wait if you ALREADY have a sub and your speakers are set to small, is it better to increase the volume on the sub versus enabling EXTRA BASS?

[@iraweiss517]

I have an RX-A3080 and Definitive Technology BP-2004TL speakers. As the speakers have built in subs I had extra bass set to on.

[@iraweiss517]

Also set to Large.

[@edwardsanchez3708]

Does anyone have any recommended parametric EQ settings for the Yamaha Avantage???

[@welderfixer]

That's a great test of an AVR. I heard you say you tested the "pre amp outputs", would the speaker outputs be the same? Also, I have to ask if you any experience with Onkyo receivers and the "Phase Matching Bass" setting and how it works? As always - Thanks Gene!!

[@Audioholics]

yes the preout response is matched at the speaker level too.

[@welderfixer]

@@Audioholics Thank you. And, thanks for all that you do and have done.

[@ninimaxx_heimkino]

Are you shure that there was no setting aktive with small and extra bass on? i have many expirience with yamaha, and you could not found everything in the menu. For example: i´ve you made a YPAO measuremt: I see changes at the outputs even when i set the peq to "trough". So to be shure that there is a bug like this: please make a factory-reset and repeat the test. maybe the result is different.

[@prakashmodak2842]

Hi Gene. Just wanted to know by your reference what does Main speakers refer to? Is it Front and Center or Only Center or all speakers?

[@Audioholics]

Main speakers are front left and right.

[@prakashmodak2842]

@@Audioholics Hi team, thanks for the prompt reply!