How to Set Up SuperRack Performer: Run Waves Plugins LIVE with a Laptop

[@arbenzg6037]

greetings as at one point we complained about the malfunction for Windows and thank God everything is fine... without a doubt they must have the best support in the industry thank you for solving the Buffer size problem for Windows.

[@VoodooValveTV]

Great Vid, thanks for sharing! I just wanted to add an alternative routing option to accommodate 32 Inserts: Card Out 1-32 can be set to the local/stagebox inputs you are using (So the preamps go direct to waves). Inputs (Local - desk layer) 1-32 can be set to Card 1-32 (to return the waves. Caveats: 1. Head amp control would have to be done in Setup->Preamps. 2. Aux sends of channels using plugins would be affected 3. if you don't require fx, don't use plugins - it just has to be routed like the other channels. 4. This wouldn't accommodate send/return effects like reverb with an aux. However... I use a mix of this and your configuration with great results. i.e. 1-24 as above, 25-30 as inserts and sends fx. USB has latency and could be acceptable. Made and sound grid reduces this and also allows tap of for recording.

[@WorshipMinistryTraining]

Your lighting and color is on point for this video Jake!! 🙌

[@kehindea]

Wow your videos look so much more cinematic these days. love the video also

[@christianschneidawind5620]

There is an even better solution, if you need more than 6 channels or might like to use the Aux Out ports for external analogue gear or something else. The best solution would be to just leave the insert unassigned, go to the routing menu, go to P16 tab and select Direct Out of the desired channels or any Main/MTX/Bus you like, pre fader. Then go to the card tab and select the P16 channels to be sent to the PC. Now you have done the Output to card thing completely independent from any physical ports or Aux channels on the X32. Of course this is only possible if you're not using P16s, but nobody uses them at the FOH mixer... for monitoring mixers you don't need to have a PC plugins insert chain anyway. Last but not least, make sure to unassign the channels from the mains that are played back from the PC to the console. If you don't run any monitors at all with the console, you can skip the whole process, just send all physical inputs directly to the PC, make your optimization, send it out back to the mixer and assign the channel-inputs to card 1-32, done.

[@lhappstore7405]

can you share your .scn scene to take it as an example please?

[@phiz118]

Uh, nobody? We use them and send from the FOH mixer. Most churches don’t have the luxury of having a second board just for the monitor mix. The p16s allow the band to mix it themselves

[@TimKaseyMythHealer]

Just included your recommendation in my configuration notes. Just got the MIDAS 32 stage box and the M32C single space, and plan to use plugins with the system. Currently doing a configuration write up so that the set up is as trouble free as possible. I like your thinking, and was worried that I would be using up many of the features, and not managing output configurations as best as possible. I’ve known about the ultranet option, but thought you needed to purchase the hardware to take advantage of P16. Thanks for your knowledge.

[@sethwengermusic]

@@TimKaseyMythHealer Do you think you could share your configuration writeup with me? I understand using the P16 channels to get the audio out to the PC, but how do I get the audio back on the board? In this video Jake still had to route from the card back to the AUX ins. I'd like to run 16 channels of processing, mostly for vocals, drums, and the stereo livestream bus.

[@TimKaseyMythHealer]

@@sethwengermusic I have the system, but I've never set it up with a band. This project has never gotten off the ground to be configured. I really need a band, or a house sound guy gig to get everything up and running. I have nothing at this point.

[@davidsantiago397]

I use live professor and a dongle with my MacBook Pro . We send multi tracks and process audio to the x32 with the Dante card . Super simple works well !

[@sergeonbass]

any latency?

[@tkldr]

we do this also, it works great, though I have had Live Professor crash a couple times while doing a change to a plugin during service. Latency on our M1 Mac Mini is about 8-10ms

[@MiguelReyes-sx1vs]

OMG our X32 is back alive!!!!!!! man this just extended the years of our X32 no need to upgrade until we outgrow our inputs!!!

[@indi2174]

Yessss this just made x32 made live performance even more EPIC

[@JJay-m1x]

this has been out for years. it was called superrack native. they just renamed the software and sell it as new... i actually feel bad for people falling for this marketing trap but glad to hear it still helps you but you could have used it all the tine before...

[@mrovi789]

@@JJay-m1x and before that superrack, and way before that was multirack.

[@marioaviles9582]

Great video, but please address the latency part of it and also the specs a computer/laptop must have to be able to handle running the plugins with the least amount of latency.

[@andym7333]

reply usssss do u need server to have 0 .8 latency

[@andym7333]

can the xr 16 or 18 do this?

[@marioaviles9582]

@@andym7333 yes, it can be done on both of those. The latency will be determined by the capabilities of the host computer.

[@sandrohomestudo]

Thank you for sharing your knowledge, very good class!

[@danieldinesh5430]

thank you so much bro , its a wonderful to learn from you

[@VenieceSession]

Thanks so much for this. I'm looking to add this into my workflow for our Christmas Services. Wondering about setting in Waves Tune- I've heard its better to leave in Chromatic mode for better correction if singers aren't 100% in choice and relativity of correction

[@ToddHowardBethesda]

Yes, don’t ever use major or minor scale live.

[@curly_]

Was super helpfull overview, i actually didnt understand the user routing but thats because i dont work with behringers a lot

[@TeamPakiza]

Thank You Soo Much brother for sharing ❤️ love from India 🧿

[@johnmcvicker6728]

Will you do a similar walkthrough helping people use Live Professor? Not locked into using Waves plugins so you open up to a lot of industry wide plugins. Such as Trigger2 for live drum replacement. I use a few plugins from Native Instruments. And there are thousands of free plugins available out there. You can even use Kontakt and play instruments thru the configuration. With card routing and returns thru unused channels, you could process 16 or more channels versus six via Aud 1-6.

[@MarcTelesha]

SuperRack Performer works with all VST3 Plugins. So you're not stuck with just Waves. Waves gets a knock for their marketing and pricing schemes (Upgrades) but they are rock solid. Vocal Rider on Vocals (Especially Back Ground Singers) is a mix life changing experience.

[@johnmcvicker6728]

@ at the time of the video, performer had not yet offered third party VST3 support.

[@TheXIT]

Hi, Thanks for the demo. I remember setting up something like this just using my DAW with a low buffer setting and x32. Do you think there is any real advantage using Super Rack? Also, since I may be using my DAW for audio playback, then I would have to have my DAW and Super Rack running. Thanks!

[@timsanxyz]

Can you please tell what type of laptop stand is it?) It handles the mac from both sides just perfectly)

[@johnyoo8666]

Thanks for this breakdown and how to guideline. 1) for the vocal channels and is it recommended to insert PRE OR POST? I followed this exact routing and initially had it POST (as it shows in the video) but this then makes the eq and gate functions to be bypassed on the x32. When I have it as PRE, it then allows for eq and gate to be applied. 2) however, when insert is set to PRE, our in ear monitors are hearing the tuned vocals, despite the in ear bus channels being set up as Pre-fader, as the video explains. When the insert is POST, then we don’t hear the tuned vocals in our ear, but then we run into the problem of our voices not being equal or gated via x32. Please help!

[@brentd]

That dongle just hanging from your laptop's USB port unsupported is killing me!

[@indi2174]

@8:11 Does it work with all x32 brand Example X32 compact or is just the x32 Does these plugging already comes with the supper rack ? If answer is no .. then which bundle has wave plugging ready to be use.. vocal rider and psm feedback eliminate

[@CalvaryChapelRioGrandeValley]

Dude, That lighting!

[@NefMedinaMusic]

Hi is this possible for boards like qu16?

[@kosmikmusa]

How is the latency compared to SoundGrid Server?

[@Munkyung1]

It's a very basic question, but if I mount the card on the m32, can I use it in conjunction with the macbook pro without purchasing a superrack? And is there a plug-in included in superrack? It's hard to find a detailed explanation

[@tonylancer7367]

Can you trigger those snapshots with MIDI? Would be helpful with bands that have limited hands.

[@rayok_zed]

They say you can on their website

[@tonylancer7367]

@@rayok_zed Thanks, I had a look at the user guide, confirm that it does! Hopefully it doesn't have any spikes when changing for larger channels.

[@ErnieJay08]

You can! We mapped the user buttons on our M32 to trigger each snapshot per song, but we do this with the full Waves Super Rack

[@codyalliancechurch2572]

We found a way to setup MIDI triggers via ProPresenter. We setup Snapshots with Waves Tune Real Time in the proper key and assign it to a User Key. Next open the MIDI settings under Setup, then click the User Key you want to control. The box will highlight which means it's in listen mode. From ProPresenter setup a MIDI cue and click to send the note over to SuperRack. Works like a charm.

[@ksdgslgk]

Maybe I got this wrong but the way he sets the routing in the X32 with the user outs makes him lose 6 of the 16 outputs. There is a better way to do this. In the Input Routing page, you change the Aux In block for Card 1 - 6. Then, you go to the Card tab (Expansion card outputs) and for the first 1 - 8 block, you select Aux 1-6/Mon. Voilà. No need to sacrifice outputs. You’ll be able to select any of the 6 aux insert on any channel/bus/matrix. That’s the way I’ve been using Live Professor for years now. This way, I still have the 16 outputs available for other usage (monitor/iem mixes, seperate subs from tops, front fills, delays, etc)

[@christianschneidawind5620]

You got this wrong with the outputs, because you have 16 Outputs PLUS 6 Aux Out physically on the X32 and if you're using stageboxes it won't be an issue anyway to block the Aux Out ports. BUT there is an even better way, that I will post in a separate comment.

[@ksdgslgk]

@@christianschneidawind5620 Yes you are right, I was still asleep when I first watched the video haha. Nonetheless, he doesn't need to make a custom user out with the aux out 1-6 because assigning Card's output to Aux 1-6/Mon does the same exact thing and saves you a step. Using a user out would allow you to use other outputs for 7-8.

[@Gellenmartadinata]

Itsn work allen heath mixer qu32..??

[@wayneebersole2054]

One more thing: with this setup I assume that if SuperRack quits / crashes that the audio signal dies as well? I would have to have a separate scene created with no routing to the card to get it back?

[@cfyong1208]

Thank you for your teaching. I have a question: Does this method only work with six channels? What if I want to use more channels?

[@jordandollar1023]

Anyone find how to use this with a QU-32 mixer?

[@akeyzstudio6620]

thanks for the video is it possible to record with all this effects in real time back to the computer

[@InaktiverUser]

does the superrack uses fewer cpu power than a daw with same vst's applied in ? then this would be a game changer to me

[@maxnikulin1]

Hi there, can anyone help to do this setup with allen&heath SQ5. thank you.

[@danielwhite641]

I understand how you routed the vocal to work but i dont really understand how you got the LR bus, it lets you select 32 inputs but no outputs from the board

[@zebmccall2610]

Are you able to route all your channels or some channels plus the LR main speakers into the super rack performer and then route it back to the x32 if so how would you do that

[@Zazerbeam_]

What about if you already use the USB output for a broadcast stream? Is there a way to connect multiple devices to one mixer so one connection is for broadcast and the other is for live Waves plugins?

[@matthewcarlson4923]

Do you need any network cards on your board? I want to do this with a Yamaha TF5 but I'm not sure if you need a network card

[@hidewong]

Hi there , would you like to share ur MacBook spec to demo super rack performer in this video? And approximately how many plug-ins instances able to run by 80% of ur MacBook cpu and memory utilization? Thx for sharing and reply . I am planning to run super rack performer with some plugins like q10, F6, cla, maxBass, mv2. So would like to get more experiences from you guys to make my rig running well. Thx and appreciated for kind help

[@blessedson69]

Hey Jake, how will that work if I'm already using the USB on mixer to run logics?

[@jmacjobs]

But… you neglect the latency added from the USB connection…., not including the processing latency of the plugins. USB driver is automatically adding about 7-10ms of latency on an X32 depending on buffer size, then your vocals are arriving much later than the unprocessed audio

[@Steven-ln1sm]

Out of tune vocalists more often than not are also not on tempo vocalists and their text competency is about the one of Google's auto correction ;-)

[@kehindea]

😂😂😂😂 what you talking about?. The USB driver does not add 10ms to the X32. What settings are you using?

[@jmacjobs]

Just do a quick google search on the round trip latency of the USB card. USB 2.0 devices have a safety buffer which adds latency that cannot be avoided, in addition to any latency introduced by your computer potentially not being able to crunch the numbers fast enough. Actual Waves servers run at such low buffers they are able to process audio in less than 1ms, much like the processing in the X32 itself (round trip is something like .87ms). USB should only be used for recording or playback, but not for processing channels live. Simply too much latency

[@LiveSound710]

@@kehindea there is absolutely 7-10ms of latency, try measuring your thruput with smaart, A lot of people have no idea they are fighting phase issues they are causing by not aligning their input channels to the master buss..

[@RDYC]

I've done this for years for reverbs and delays. It goes without saying that you won't be able to use things like plugin compressors etc due to latency.

[@delcid720]

So superrack and plug-ins do not need a server to work?

[@chizsoundtv]

Please Can we get a routing setup video for Behringer wing?

[@TreyHamilton-ur9te]

Ok my question is, what if u need to use more then 6 channels. Example what if u using 20 channels on the x32 how do you route all 20?

[@JuanDiaz-dr3vm]

X32 is able to do full 32 waves channels the aux routing is nonsense imo I use waves live on a m32 all the time

[@Souldoubtrocks]

I have the presonus 24R studio rack mixer. Would this work with that as well.

[@bram9498]

how much latency does the usb interface have in combination with Superrack, without loading any plugins. Depending on what buffer size you choose. Is it suitable for live considering the added usb interface latency.

[@oscarmatute1006]

I have a question I already have plug-ins for when I record on ProTools, if I buy just the waves super rack host can I incorporate those plug-ins that I have bought previously or do I have to buy a separate bundle?

[@audioboylanre7926]

Can you run all 32 inputs on superack without server?

[@charlmix1]

Hi, please how to use super rack performer on the Master LR with the presonus studio live 64s console?

[@fj8028]

Hi, our x32 device is not showing on the setting in the soundgrid. Your shows “audio setup” but mines shows “inventory” which allows me to choose I/O devices through the port drop down. Can you please 🙏

[@samuraiofthesea2949]

Is there anything i can do when using this, that i have a "safety-motion" if my superrack performer crashes in the middle of a show? So i dont lose the vocal signal.

[@frederickgardiner7771]

Jake, whats the spec of the MacBook you used?

[@indi2174]

@2:06 .. are you doing the vocal channel as a single main bus.. so that what ever vocal channel you send on fader to that main bus then you know it is getting that plugging from the laptop???? Or is it because you are using only 1 microphone for this demo so that is why you are sending only this 1 microphone to that 1 aux channel which is activated on both laptop and also the x32??? Umm which one are you currently doing . Please explain. 🤔😊 Remember you are saying auxiliary but our microphone is not plugged into any auxiliary but rather in XLR channels for example XLR channel 1 is Greg mic .. channel 2 is Brigette channel 6 channel 7 and 8 is pick for 3 item belonging to Carlos.. his Laval mic . Carlos talkbox machine and Carlos handheld. 🤪

[@joguin75]

Jake, we're using the setup in your previous video with reaper. But that requires two channels for each vocalist. Does this setup still require two, or just one?

[@atsible]

Hello, I am having issues setting this up. The main issue being that the audio from any channel is not showing up in the aux out. I have an M32R. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

[@josephkim6892]

Can’t you just skip this and route directly to a daw? I’m using ableton for this instance. Is this any more advantageous than using a daw?

[@Robportillo]

Is this available to use on the new M1 and M2 macs ?

[@morsikpl]

Yes, works without any issues on my M2 Max

[@TrackItRight]

i'm trying to follow this exactly but I get nothing on 5-6.

[@MrWillihelmdueck]

There is a new button in the Waves Tune called „Send to all“. Makes it quicker to set the different keys for all vocals.

[@tonylancer7367]

Tell me/us more? I’m curious about this.

[@indi2174]

Waves tune ?

[@MrWillihelmdueck]

I mean Waves Tune Real Time of course. Look at 8:40 in the bottom right. The Transmission Section is new and has 2 buttons. "Send to All" will send the scale settings to all instances of Waves Tune Real Time that have the "Receive" button enabled. This is the default state.

[@collintoh1697]

On CL5, using Direct Out on a channel to SuperRack via DVS then return to anther channel. Or using Insert on that said channel?

[@collintoh1697]

What's the use of commenting when there's no reply. Sigh!

[@raphaeldaniel5421]

hey need help in setting up the waves live superrack with my a&h qu32

[@vanderhooftamvl6587]

The bus tap setting is not correct. Pre fader is AFTER the insert since it is set to Pre EQ. Correct setting should be IN/LC or if the insert is set to post it should be Post EQ

[@micahsaldivar]

That’s awesome! Congratulations making it on the Waves website. My next question is… Is it USB connected only? Potentially, could I patch an insert via Dante?

[@awkwardjawz]

You can patch an insert with Dante if you have the Dante card installed in your mixer. He was using the USB card as an example in this video.

[@IlseSwart-h7o]

How would you setup the vocal chain? I use SuperRack Native and have all plug/ins filled. Mostly abbey road and cla compressions. I have the autotune too. What sequence is the best sequence for the chain? Is there a way to get more plugins on the rack for voice?

[@gobrad]

Hi, I’m about to make a decision on the LV1 System, and as the double screen by Del seems a little too big I’d like to know what you think of the new LENOVO YOGA BOOK 9i dual screen?… It looks perfect for the lv1 setup

[@kmont54]

We use Ableton for our Stream Mix, could Super Rack be routed into Ableton as a input?

[@szimnave]

Hi jake, what plugins are pre included with Superack Performer? Thanks! BTW its a great video

[@wayneebersole2054]

We replaced the USB card in our X32 with a Dante card. I'm assuming we can still use this with Dante?

[@jessidsanchez06]

Maybe i'm speaking out of ignorance since I haven't had the chance to try this out with the X32 but wouldn't this only give you 6 insert channels to work with?

[@yoseifmichael9058]

How do you route sub groups?

[@jared_musicSTC]

Wouldn't you still get a decent amount of latency using a tuning plugin through a core Audio USB driver? even at 48Khz sample rate and 32ms buffer size that gonna be like 8-10 ms of latency round trip and then the plugin itself would add more latency. At least that's what happens if I run Waves Tune RT in Ableton. Or am I missing something here?

[@Yuvraj____karlekar__]

Bro can you tell me the solution why my superrack is not getting signal from input and output

[@brennanlamar]

The real question is what laptop stand is that…asking for a friend 😂

[@daveyjones03]

This looks awesome Jake!! Do you know if we can do this same thing on the Behringer Wing?

[@busyngtv2861]

Please do a video with Yamaha TF5

[@bruno.kennedy]

And with SI Impact ( Soundcraft) 😅

[@arbenzg6037]

Best regards, I don't know if I'm doing something wrong, I downloaded the demo before I bought it but for some reason it won't let me change the buffer size, not if it's the demo version

[@mickeymiguel2726]

Excellent lesson 👏

[@petersaithao]

Wonder will super rack work with cq18t

[@emmauscommunitychurch-edgerton]

How taxes is this on a M1 Mac Mini 8GB? Could it handle PP7 (livestreaming from PP7) and Superrack/Autotune without issues? In my testing is seems like a light weight program. I have done this with StudioOne 5 from a separate Computer but it would be nice to only have one computer to not complicate our setup.

[@stefanmplayer]

Can anyone tell me how to connect this app to a DN32-WSG card? Internet seems to be full with dn32 live and usb card setups with superrack but I can’t seem to figure out which way to click for the DN32- WSG card to connect to performer😅 Call it beginner issues

[@andreinastase1932]

what laptop do you have? do you think that it will work fine with a M2 macbook air?

[@erwinsmercado8593]

100% thanks to you, bless

[@ismaelsalinas7693]

I find myself in a odd situation here. I have all routing options setup correctly on my wing and superrack even notices my wing. However, I receive no signal coming into the rack… anybody know what I may be missing?

[@seitonkumokoroye2059]

System specifications?

[@mrdjoofficiel1873]

very nice video. I would like to know. possible to connect waves superrack performer to Berhinger flow8? if so, we would also be impatiently waiting for the video 😊👌

[@arbenzg6037]

Regards, for some reason I was working with native superrack with a Buffer size of 128, with more than 20 plugins calmly, now superrack performer at 256 I work... I thought the objective was a matter of customizing for laptop but it really doesn't have the same capacity as the previous one, 🥴🙃.

[@jwillbassist]

What about using this for a Stream mix ?

[@arjunsaroj14]

Pls share how to do it on wing also thanks in advance

[@alexkazmirovich3887]

can two x air 18 mixers be connected into 1 for 32 channels?

[@jonathanpage6813]

How is this different from Super Rack Native?

[@TheChadPerez]

How do you bypass latency?

[@MBArtsProductions]

Hi! Which version of firmware do you use? 4.06 or 4.09 ? Thank you!

[@KordTaylor]

Really a useful video. Thanks.

[@MrLakeshadow]

Can it work with XR 18 Midas / Behringer ?

[@Philip_J]

Yeah it should work the same as shown, since they both work as an audio interface through the usb port.

[@AAngel411]

Yeah, but what about the delay/latency?

[@ebenhaezar6136]

Yesss! Is it same step will take?

[@Philip_J]

@@AAngel411 It runs at 48 kHz, so Waves states on their website that you would expect about 5.3 ms of latency, with some plugins adding extra latency.

[@philwinkle]

my dude hazed an entire room to film this intro

[@fenderjose401]

Cool video, I do have a question about routing out to a live stream? If I understand correctly, the USB port on an X32 would now be taken up by the computer running SR Performer, right? But, because I also need to route using Aux Out… I’d also be restricted in sending out a mix through the aux out to the live stream computer, right?

[@christianschneidawind5620]

if you might like to use the Aux Out ports for external analogue gear or something else. The best solution would be to just leave the insert unassigned, go to the routing menu, go to P16 tab and select Direct Out of the desired channels or any Main/MTX/Bus you like, pre fader. Then go to the card tab and select the P16 channels to be sent to the PC. Now you have done the Output to card thing completely independent from any physical ports or Aux channels on the X32. Of course this is only possible if you're not using P16s, but nobody uses them at the FOH mixer... for monitoring mixers you don't need to have a PC plugins insert chain anyway. Last but not least, make sure to unassign the channels from the mains that are played back from the PC to the console.

[@JefferyVincentArthur-wb1xn]

Great but can you please do same on studiolive 32s for us... Thanks

[@kokeman3557]

MacBook pro or MacBook Air with m1-m2? What is the best for this application?

[@gvalentino8641]

Will this work with Mackie pro FX 22?

[@danielfmyers]

The 6 aux limitation of X/M world is kind of a bummer but definitely a cheap ($130) route to tune a few vocals.

[@11d12man]

If you set all channel inputs to card, and use the preamps page to adjust input gain, you can mix with it as an insert without using the designated channel insert slot. This way you can do up to 32 channels on X/M 32

[@danielfmyers]

@@11d12man yes but musicians monitoring busses would be hearing themselves late.

[@b__wenner]

Yeah I was thinking the same thing. For some reason I thought the x32 had independent 1:1 insert points per channel if you use the USB function, but apparently you only have 6 inserts total. Still good for yeah some lead vox or drum buss or something, or overall mix.

[@tkldr]

@@danielfmyers we have enough channels available that I send the unchanged vocals (2-9) to the monitor busses and send the card channels (10-17) to main and livestream busses. This is using an X32 and the User In / User Out vs block routing.

[@paapabeatz]

We already have the SuperRack Native so which one is the Performer and what difference does it make? If we can't use third party plugins then I don't see the benefit. SuperRack Native already does this.

[@indi2174]

Super rack natives??

[@paapabeatz]

@@indi2174 Yep. Check it in the waves central

[@paapabeatz]

@@indi2174 There is an existing Soundgrid and a Native version already

[@jessecoonen7881]

I’m pretty sure you can just use card ins and outs. You don’t need to patch using inserts. Also that mix bus “prefader” is not the tap point for inputs to the bus but rather the bus output related to the fader, so there is some misinformation here

[@snyshieboo]

I heard him say that and it bothered me (pre fade). Nice one