How to Shoot 10-Bit Log Video on a Smartphone: FiLMiC Pro . McPro24fps . Tutorial

FiLMiC's Log V3 allows us to capture video in 10-bit color. McPro24fps also allows 10-bit color log capture. Find out how in this FiLMiC Pro and McPro24fps tutorial.
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00:00 How to Shoot 10-bit Log on a Smartphone
01:52 8-bit vs 10-vit color
03:58 HDR vs the "Film Look"
05:09 10-bit vs HDR10 vs Dolby Vision vs HDR10+
06:00 HDR10 vs HDR10+
06:37 HDR10+ vs Dolby Vision
07:18 A final note on HDR processes
08:50 How to Record 10-Bit Log using FiLMiC Pro
11:35 Add FiLMiC deLog V3 LUT
12:10 How to Record 10-Bit Log using McPro24fps
13:49 How to add a deLog LUT in McPro24fps
14:34 10-bit Log Video Metadata Problem
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[@ficklefox2171]

I just want to say that as someone who is barely getting into photography and filming, your channel is by far the most captivating. Beyond just the content which is of course, phenomenal, your voice has such a strange but pleasing quality to it. It makes me feel like I want to have a cup of warm tea with you. Cheers friend.

[@SiHorrocks]

Cheers! Here's to a cuppa 🫖

[@King-ox8ck]

100%

[@mitchmai]

Dude. Amazing presentation. I will probably have to watch this 5 times over, for good reason.

[@stevejorde]

I learn something new with every video you post and I always look forward to your next video.

[@StephanBuchin]

So well done. Clear and concise. Thx ☺

[@WGOSAK]

Best channel for learnng mobile film making..

[@youceflakehal6275]

Keep up the good job, we are learning form you, you gave an amazing methodology

[@miesto_paukstis]

Great! Thanks for the tutorial

[@Groovettin]

Thanks! We will be delighted if you share your experiences about cinematic colour grading :)

[@hussainwarraich8139]

You're doing such wonderful job 👏 👏 very few people have such creative and professional work

[@mouloudouguenoun3866]

It's true...

[@GiantoPutera]

Selalu kagum dengan skil Anda❤️

[@Ab-vf6bg]

You are great

[@brianbell2176]

Great video and such a great learning tool! Thank you! Now, seems Samsung S21 ultra can shoot in 12 bit video. I haven't caught up to 10 bit yet.

[@kempy2]

it can shoot 12 bit Photos but 10bit video

[@DrFurb]

Mind blown

[@apollo7714]

Cool!!!

[@TheDIYFilmmaker]

Hi mate! What gimbal would you use with McPro24fps and a big 6.67" mobile phone (around 200 grams)?

[@filipzamec9671]

Thanks for the video. So in your experience, does it really help the final video? Does it contain more data in shadow and light areas than 8 bit? Thanks

[@SiHorrocks]

Not really. It's more about being able to adjust the colour more later when grading. With more information you have more flexibility

[@milkontrastes]

Hi, I love your channel, i have a question, I have an Iphone XR and Film Pro and i would like to know if It worth it to have Log (Cinematic Kit) cause my device is just 8 bits I guess. Thanks

[@mousse4444]

Have you tried Cinema 4K. For me it is the best app for Android users. I get much better results than I do with FilmicPro. Shoots at 200mbs and the quality is excellent.

[@namucase93]

Going to need to watch this video 2-3 times to process the exact difference between them and how to utilize the information properly.

[@krane15]

Bingo! More people should follow your example.

[@TheArtmann]

Hey! Thank you very much for this video. It really helped alot. I do need to ask you something that it's a problem for me since a couple of days. Like yourself, I use Davinci Resolve. For recording I use Galaxy s10 and Filmic PRo. How you do it to edit HEVC H265 clip in Resolve? For me it doesn't work. Just if I transcode it to H264. I hope you can reply. Cheers

[@SiHorrocks]

hi there. Well I just imported it directly and didn't have any issues. What were your issues? I'm using a new MacBook Air with the M1 chip

[@TheArtmann]

@@SiHorrocks thank you for your reply. We'll I'm using Windows 10 and it doesn't support h265. U need an app from App Store for 0.99$. But luckily I found a "free" version on internet;) so I kinda fixed the problem

[@carolsoldea9223]

Wow I have the same metadata problem with premier pro at 10 bit log v3 ... is there a workaround ?

[@andreasvogel9049]

Hi Simon, many thanks for this video and the good explanation.👍This was exactly what I was looking for. I also use a Note 20 ultra device and was a bit confused about the strange looking footage in my editing software.

[@SiHorrocks]

Glad it was helpful Andreas. Are you able to fix that metadata?

[@andreasvogel9049]

@@SiHorrocks Unfortunately I have no idea how to fix it. But your video did help me to understand that the metadata are causing the problem. Sorry, Simon. If you find a solution it would be fantastic watching a video how to fix the problem.

[@SiHorrocks]

@@andreasvogel9049 you are using Filmic Pro? With McPro24fps you can remove it in the app

[@andreasvogel9049]

@@SiHorrocks Thank you for your help.👍 I really like Filmic Pro because of it's compatibility with my movi robot. But I will definitely try out mcpro24fps. Have a nice day and stay healthy.

[@teknomodd]

is 10bit video record avaliable for Samsung S10 and LG v60??

[@kkay2000]

Need help. iPhone 12 Pro Max in Filmic Pro Log v3 mode defaults to super wide Cinema Display. Checked settings 16:9 didn’t fix it. Quite annoying.

[@davidedwardsme]

A little unrelated, but kind of related at the same time :) when i export using adobe media encoder, there's an option to encode with HDR 10, when i do, the output file appears to be clipped in the whites. Ie, the whites are more grey. Curious if you can explain what's happening there? Is it good to encode with HDR 10 ? (subscribed - perfect content! you're like my new spirit animal!)

[@SiHorrocks]

Welcome David! if you encode with HDR metadata then that metadata needs to be correct or the image will look strange. But I'm afraid I'm no expert at encoding video with metadata

[@aprogress2374]

I found on qualcomm website that the Snapdragon 720g is capable of recording Video Capture Color Depth: Up to 10-bit, can devices that use this SOC be able to record 10-bit via mcpro24fps?

[@azverndias913]

Use gpu option not available in mcpro24fps cogwheel settings :(

[@MichaelSchmittEleven]

Great video! Thx a lot for your effort. Because of you, I discovered the Mcpro24fps app, which has a bit of a learning curve, especially if you want to shoot in 10bit and if one includes the neccesary work in Premiere Pro. I'm still struggling to get a good result after rendering. I use the SDR effect in PP to not having it handle the files as HDR. I shoot with the mlog80 and use the corresponding LUT from the official app's website. And still, I get some strange colors here and there, an overall pretty soft picture and "smeary" motion. The recording in H265 is obligatory to have 10it working on my Galaxy S20+. As what format do you render your 10bit projects? A tutorial on how to color grade and render the 10bit smartphone recordings would be great! Greets from Germany.

[@SiHorrocks]

its worth experimenting with the different log choices

[@King-ox8ck]

You do this all freely ?? Or had to invest some money?

[@realmommyknt]

How's it going? Do you still use that app or have you found something better?

[@sammadonline]

I keep getting a very high contrast and saturated image when I shoot withFilmicpro Log v3 on my Galaxy N20 ultra. Shows washed out while recording but the playback image is super contrasty. I tried importing on my pc and it still plays back with the same levels of contrast. What am I doing wrong?

[@sammadonline]

Never mind. I updated my phone to One UI 3 and that fixed the issue. Thanks

[@webinatic216]

If you have a q-led from Samsung. You need to calibrate it. They have really bad color accuracy compared to LG, Sony and Panasonic.

[@mouzzamali2922]

Sir can you make cinematic vedio by using filmic pro on S21ultra with detail please? Thank you

[@krane15]

Cinematic is a generic term. You need to be more specific.

[@MrScartz123]

In regards to that metadata problem in mcpro, i don't have that problem. Does this happen only in 10 bit? Well done video by the way :)

[@SiHorrocks]

Thank you. Yes only in 10-bit it seems

[@realmommyknt]

How do we find out if our device supports it?

[@xmodMAN76]

hey Simon, hope all is well. i’m going to be working on a small project in two or three days from now using my iphone 12, it’s not a pro. i want to record some parts of it in 60fps for some slow motion at 30fps playback (they’re close up detail shots of a car while rolling in a lit tunnel at night). but as for the rest of it, Is it fine to record in 30fps and put both in the same time line? also, iphone 12 allows 10 bit dolby vision HDR at 30fps but only 8 bit at 60fps. Should i only use filmic pro 8 bit for the entire shoot? or do you think combining the two in the timeline will be fine (premiere pro)

[@SiHorrocks]

It's fine to mix bitrate. 30 and 60fps is fine too

[@xmodMAN76]

@@SiHorrocks i figured i’d share what i made! thanks for your help, simon. it’s my first time making something like this with my phone. instagram.com/tv/CMhemiSFrBg/?igshid=pfu5wpocgj2j

[@mindseyepr]

Will any of the Google Pixel phones support 10bit? Thanks for the content🙂

[@SiHorrocks]

Not at the moment

[@susanooflamecontrol7]

Mi 10t pro can

[@SH-lh9ow]

Finaly Answers 😅 ..thanks a lot for the video! ..I’m just wondering- wouldn’t someone want to grade the HDR file before changing to rec709? ..I might need to watch again to fully understand 😅

[@SiHorrocks]

you're welcome! rec709 is just a standard used for broadcast. But by adding the rec709 LUT you are converting it to that standard. In regards to these apps, it's really just a quick way to "see what you have"

[@SH-lh9ow]

@@SiHorrocks so but rec709 should be displayed right on all devices right? ..as far as I understand I can record in dolby vision, grade de footage in hlg2020, but if it should be watchable on not hdr monitors the playout needs to be in 8bit/rec709 right? 😅 bought the phone because of it, finding out actually it’s quite hard making use of the feature

[@SiHorrocks]

@@SH-lh9ow I've been struggling all day to get Dolby Vision to come out right. I managed to get it looking good in Premiere. But as soon as I export it, the colour becomes red and oversaturated. No setting seems to work, so I had to lower saturation and redness and then keep exporting it until it looked right 😅 As far as I know, if you switch to 8bit rec709 then there will be no HDR

[@SH-lh9ow]

@@SiHorrocks for me the point is not to do the playout in hdr, very few people are able to see That anyway.. would be cool to use the hdr/10bit file to grade the clip in order to take advantage of 10bit and then do the playout in sdr.. I at least guess that’s what I am aiming for at the moment..

[@SiHorrocks]

@@SH-lh9ow you can shoot in 10 bit without Dolby Vision. I think that would be best for grading. Dolby Vision adds a kind of extra brightness which lost when converted - so no point using it

[@andrey.003]

i still dont understand what is the difference between gamma curves and GPU gamma curves...... please someone explain me what is the point and what exactly should i touch.

[@Wolvaproductions]

I'm struggling on the results doing test shots with my note 20 ultra on filmic with 10 but vlog3 and the play back is very blown out and very deep contrast contrast I'm at 4k 24fps shutter speed at 48 iso at 200 nd filter on outside and that's my result. What I'm doing wrong

[@SiHorrocks]

Unfortunately Filmic Pro have not fixed the issue on Android where recording in 10-bit includes HDR metadata. This means video looks wrong in a regular rec 709 colour space. You need to remove the metadata somehow before using the footage. McPro24fps allows you to remove metadata when filming

[@sharonscaria]

using samsung pro video in hdr10+ , can we shoot on log v3. I don't see any option to shoot log in pro video

[@SiHorrocks]

No. There is no log in Samsung Pro mode. And FiLMiC log v3 is not compatible with dynamic tone remapping which I believe is part of HDR10+

[@supercuber9805]

Hello everybody i am going to buy a galaxy s20 fe and i want to start a youtube channel and i will only record me talking about tech ... So do you plp have any tips about room lighting and smartphone attachments that i could poosibly need... And how well does filmic pro support s20 fe... VERY USEFULL CHANNEL

[@krane15]

Did you get the phone? Start the channel? In any event, a "talking head" is the most basic type of video footage are therefore, require the minimum investment. A basic 3 point light setup will suffice. In a pinch, a single key light (and maybe a fill light) will suffice. A lot of people just start off using ambient lighting.

[@Ditispeter]

Can you use Log v3 with 4K on the Note 20 Ultra?

[@SiHorrocks]

yes

[@MickaLuna]

Great job! Is there any specific reason why you are not shooting with an iPhone 12 Pro Max? Your knowledge applied to that phone would be great for many people. Best wishes

[@SiHorrocks]

I like having the Samsung Pro mode option. But the perhaps 13 will persuade me 😁

[@MickaLuna]

@@SiHorrocks What about Dolby Vision? Quite superior to 10 bit + LogV3, isn’t it?

[@SiHorrocks]

@@MickaLuna depends what you want to do. As far as I know, shooting in Dolby Vision means you can't use manual control. No shutter speed or ISO control, because DV is controlling exposure frame by frame, for different parts of the image

[@MickaLuna]

@@SiHorrocks I think you are referring to the tone mapping. Yep, Apple doesn’t give you the option to unable the tone mapping, which sucks. In the other hand with Filmic Pro you can control the shutter speed and ISO while recording on DV.

[@SiHorrocks]

@@MickaLuna ok interesting. If there is dynamic metadata then we'd expect not to be able to set shutter and ISO. Perhaps this is static meta

[@adhyatyusuf]

I couldn't fine any color depth settings. Is it mean my phone doesn't support 10 bit?

[@krane15]

That's one answer. Another is that you didn't do it right. You didn't include a scale on how you accessed it.

[@0_iAlmighty_0]

Don't see a 10-Bit option in my Filmic Pro. Not seeing an 'update' option in Playstore either. I'm using S22 Ultra

[@evzevz06]

Did you set it to no gpu in the pixel fps and ratio option? Click the camera tab Top option Resolution and fps Set it to what you want with no gpu Then set your codec to HVEC(h265) Then you should be able to set your bit to 10. Then you might want to go to bitrate and crank that up to the last one before it goes red Go down EOTF options set colour primary to bt2020 and your range to full. Then in settings flip the gpu to on, rec709 display so its east to see. In your curves flip it to HLG if its not already auto~(hlg), or whatever profile you want to record in

[@tonysluna]

What Filmic App Version you are using. I have Filmic Pro 6.13.2 B696 My Phone Is OnePlus 8 Pro You have.. Very different "User Interface"...

[@SiHorrocks]

same as you, but on Android

[@tonysluna]

@@SiHorrocks OnePlus is Android...

[@asrinshah]

i don't see ut on my android..!

[@GiggityGig]

3:35 this colorist looks very nervous.😂

[@ptmmusic4913]

Iphone 8 plus work with log v3 10 bit?

[@SiHorrocks]

Iphone 12 only

[@ptmmusic4913]

@@SiHorrocks thanks

[@scotey]

I've got to ask ... have you ever narrated a children's book? You would be fantastic at it.

[@TProfileG]

Oppo x5 does 10bit 4k 60fps. I managed £408 discount on a x5 unlimited data contract. £50per month X 24. Bargain for such a great phone with 10bit 4k

[@gas3203]

Hi Simon, When i record my videos on an S22 ultra at 10 bits / Filmic Ultra / HEVC and when i play back the recording its oversaturated. Can you tell me why this is? Thanks in advance! Cheers, Gastón.

[@SiHorrocks]

Because filmic needs to remove metadata from the 10bit file. I told them this when they first introduced it to android and they said they'd fix it but they never did. If you use McPro24fps instead there's a remove metadata option

[@gas3203]

​@@SiHorrocks Thanks for the response!

[@realmommyknt]

​@@SiHorrocks what's metadata?

[@SiHorrocks]

@@realmommyknt HDR Metadata is an aid for a display device to show the content in an optimal manner

[@az09az0909az]

per piacere l'S21ultra 5g supporta il 10 bit'

[@SabrinaVideo]

Filmic pro is working hard but always iphone first. It is not Filmic fault. I think Samsung could make things better collaborating with thirds apps.

[@krane15]

Maybe? But collaborations aren't free. What would they get in return?

[@harrycash8713]

Hexa color

[@AgeofRogerio]

We need to get Mobile Motion to 100K. Share this channel out folks. There's no channel better for mobile cinematography tips 😁

[@SiHorrocks]

thanks my friend!

[@daserthepro6605]

10bit with mp4 format !!!

[@joman66]

No idea my phone could record in flipping 10 bit!!!

[@Rallyrob]

To in depth for me lol but very good

[@evdo009]

The bit depth option doesn’t show up on my phone 😢

[@krane15]

Is it grayed out of not available? Not all phone have the capability.

[@evdo009]

@@krane15 I can't even see it. All lenses on my phone can read out 8k at 30 fps and it's a SG8G1 processor. Not sure why I am not able to see it

[@BenjaminLandauMusic]

25fps vs 50fps doesn't change radically your perception, only the shutter angle does. :) 50 fps is smoother when the camera pans. 25fps with an angle at 180° is standart. An angle below 90° feels choppier and more video like (less motion blur), used in action scenes (still cinematic though). So filming at 50fps would requiere an angle set at 360° to preserve the 25fps 180° motion blur smoothness. The Hobbit could have been shot on film with the exact same effect. :) Just saying that people watching the Hobbit were biased by the idea that it would give them a headache... Bad press and a poor technical knowledge of what's going on are in cause.

[@cb2000a]

Even 30fps is smoother than 24fps.

[@krane15]

Film is both a science and an art. Simply stated, there is no right or wrong here. Iit all depends on what the directors wants.

[@editor4958]

LG V60: W/O GPU get 10 bit, but no log or HDR. Turn on GPU, get curves, but cannot shoot in 10 bit. Any Ideas anyone?

[@krane15]

Pick one.

[@editor4958]

@@krane15 lazy answer. there is a way, and I found it.

[@krane15]

@@editor4958 Correction: a realistic answer. Cell phones are not dedicated cinema cameras and so have limitations. If they could do anything a cinema camera could do, Hollywood would be paying all that money for Arri. In any event, if you found the workaround, why not share it?

[@editor4958]

@@krane15 "In any event, if you found the workaround, why not share it?" Because you were snotty. Also, preach somewhere else. I never made a claim for cell cameras being movie cameras chump, try reading. Here in Hollywood, we use whatever tool we can to get things done. If we are excited that a cell camera can shoot at 10 bit when even most mirrorless and camcorders still shoot at 8, more fun for us that make an effort! I shot 10 bit with a log curve and took it into Davinci, amazing. That I have it in my pocket all the time? Spectacular.

[@krane15]

@@editor4958 First, you asked a question. And second, you made 3 comments and never offered that solution you claim to have found. Just so you know, I was asking to give you the opportunity to offer something useful for others, I'm not interested in your solution personally.

[@bhaskarbharath6013]

Hello Sir, I was able to shoot 10 bit video using mcpro24fps in mSlog100% with my Note 10 + disabling GPU. However, now I am getting 'video codec not available, configuration exceeds video codes settings (1) ' message. Any thoughts on it!?

[@rohofmann]

Maybe you didn't select h265 as codec which is needed for 10bit video.

[@krane15]

Only one: you changed something.

[@igor_lavresh]

Which frame rates can you shoot on 10-bit log3?

[@SiHorrocks]

depends on your device and the app

[@igor_lavresh]

@@SiHorrocks iPhone 12 pro max would it do 4K in 60fps in 10 bit vlog3? Thanks

[@SiHorrocks]

@@igor_lavresh 12 PM can only go up to 30fps in 4K and 10bit Log

[@igor_lavresh]

@@SiHorrocks Appreciate

[@piaogencn4295]

No epileptic seizure warning at 5:32 which is very dangerous and irresponsible.

[@zacharyantle7940]

*cries In iPhone SE 2020 that only shoots in 8-bit video*