FIRST LOOK - FiLMiC PRO 10-bit LogV3 is HERE!

[@ramabg2]

Comparing an iPhone with BMPC 4K? You are bold, yet iPhone + Filmic is a worthy contender

[@CollinMichael]

Question: What is your opinion on filming in HDR? I love how HDR looks but then some people can’t view HDR content so wouldn’t that effect how the video looks? Would it be better to film in SDR so everyone sees the same image?

[@iphoneographers]

Really depends on what you’re doing. SDR is my preferred right now, and probably will be for a while. As you say, many can’t see it and if the metadata isn’t there it doesn’t look right.

[@SmartphoneFilmmaker]

The fact that the iphone 12 holds its own against the BMPC 4K is so exciting! The darks areas aren't getting crushed either.

[@CollinMichael]

Looks awesome! Can’t wait to use LogV3!

[@ProductionRG]

I liked the footage of your dog, and the footage at the end of this video.

[@jean-jacquessussel4493]

The remarkable FILMIC Vlog “white paper” explains that the output of Vlog is always an 8 bits depth one !

[@RivuSouravBanerjeeVideoEditor]

Amazing results.. the future if iphone filmmaking with filmic pro is rockin

[@OnurBinay]

Great video. Can’t wait to use LogV3 😎

[@toxotis70]

can you do a test for DR between filmic pro with Log v3 and stock camera app ?

[@iphoneographers]

Yes! Working on more stuff like that.

[@Workingfilms]

This is so good! It just keeps getting better !

[@VenomIIID]

I really like the footage from the filmic app. Apple should upgrade their camera glass or the coating of their glass. It's low quality and it produces so much flare on light sources. If you try to shoot at night time in a city with artificial lights you will see that it's almost unusable. Other than that it's a very capable system.

[@QIsForK12]

Is that what causes the flare? A simple coating?

[@VenomIIID]

@@QIsForK12 I think a little help from Zeiss or Leica will help Apple. For example, Sony uses Zeiss glass with T* (star) Coating to fight flares. On the other hand, if you don't mind the distracting flares or you like them, then you are good to go.

[@innatemusic]

Very nice. Some great shots there, man. Especially by the lake with the sunlight blooming through. Almost looks like Black Pro Mist. Great stuff. Thanks.

[@AlpacoFilms]

Awesome! Thanks for doing this test! Very impressive!

[@GeorgiosKalaydjian]

Excellent footage, if I may ask you what do you mean with (Graded)?

[@iphoneographers]

Referring to color graded in post-production. Thanks for watching!

[@riez1150]

This is the first time I saw his face! This must be a lucky for me

[@seokstudio1833]

Great:) Thanks for doing an interesting test!

[@berryoaks]

Just saw a video on the new Protake app. Your thoughts?

[@SouthPhilly28th]

Awesome work!!!!!💯

[@therealmichaelphelps]

It looks great but i dunno if anyone else notices this with Filmic Pro on any iphone including here, the judderiness of the image when your panning, 9:33-9:40 look at the towers in the background. I was having this issue with my iphone 8 shooting on Logv2, i tried different shutter speeds to no avail, it was so choppy it bugged me too much, ive since stopped using filmic pro and have found the native camera doesnt do that. If anyone has any ideas please share some thanks

[@iphoneographers]

Would say it’s just the 24p shooting at 1/48 shutter and so there will inherently be judder sometimes in shots regardless of the app or camera, especially when shooting run & gun style. The native app is constantly auto adjusting the shutter etc, so it might hide it more, not sure.

[@asmrhooded]

@@iphoneographers hi, love your channel. But I have a question. I heard you recommending the iPhone 12 pro max in your recent interview with the NZ director. Have you found the lens flares a problem? It’s just so many other channels say the phone is terrible. So I’m a little confused. Thank you 🙏🏻

[@iphoneographers]

There is the “green dot” in the flares that’s been present for a while in other phones too, but it can be reduced or eliminated using third-party lenses. It’s also not a very big deal IMO and it’s only there on certain shots. Anyone who says this phone is terrible either hasn’t actually used it or has no idea what they’re talking about. It’s remarkably good across the board. Thanks for watching!

[@asmrhooded]

@@iphoneographers I really value and appreciate your opinion. It means a lot. So thank you for your reply. Merry Christmas 🎄

[@koumbaras]

Is this possible for iPhone 11 Pro ?

[@iphoneographers]

Pretty sure you have to have a 12 Pro or later for 10-bit.

[@JasonWoodard]

Whats that grip mount thing you have the phone in at the beginning

[@Baujahr90erAG]

Ahh thank you very much, now i know that 10bit and logv4 works in 4k as well. I will now buy the cinematographer kit!

[@byczkowskiTV]

Why in 12 mini not have VLog3???

[@MrMilanina]

Can you share sample of log footage?

[@mediamannaman]

At about 1:04 to 1:07 what was that little wave of pixels on the right side of the screen? It also show up on the graded video starting around 1:34. Does anyone else see it?

[@iphoneographers]

That’s just water spraying up from the pool cleaner. 😃

[@lollipop5967]

Hello! in which program do you do color correction and how can I do it correctly? I have not worked with log v3 yet

[@iphoneographers]

It will work in pretty much any pro editing app. I used Premiere Pro on an iMac and LumaFusion on iPad. Best way to approach it is start with a LUT. I have some for sale here www.iphoneographers.tv/product-page/everyday-luts-pack-filmic-pro-logv3 or there are others out there.

[@RickieAr]

Wow!! Can't wait to update my filmicpro

[@paraphaseentertainment9549]

The footage looks amazing, Blake! I want to upgrade but the rumors of the iPhone 13 have me more excited😂. I’m torn.

[@iphoneographers]

Ha, there’s always something new coming... Get what works for you now or if you don’t need it, wait. :)

[@UpStreamCharlie]

Hi, Thank you very much for this video. I only have the LogV2 and I use an Android smartphone. I will definitely checkout your other video related to LogV2. Is the LogV3 for iPhones only? I've been experimenting with Filmic Pro for the last 4 months and I find very good. I also use Pro Cam X. It's not as good as the Filmic Pro but it does the job well especially when using a softbox light while doing a talking head video.

[@iphoneographers]

LogV3 works on select newer Androids too that shoot 10-bit video. For iPhone it’s only the 12 series devices. Thanks for watching!

[@CardsMoto]

I have Mi10T 5g (non pro) it can shoot 10bit and Log v3 also, 😉

[@brianmaxim]

Looked at the update now- I hope they can allow 4K at 60 in the new modes in future

[@RambunctiousPictures]

All of your graded footage has a slight green tint to it. Was that intentional? You can really notice it in your horizon lines in the montage at the end.

[@_alliswell]

What the difference between shoot using 10-bit natural and using logv3 then delog?

[@iphoneographers]

Natural has a baked-in REC709 look. LogV3 is log and so it’s very flat and retains image detail in the shadows & midtones providing more dynamic range and thus more latitude for post color grading. The DeLog LUT returns it to a standard look that you can then customize.

[@SouthPhilly28th]

When using Filmic Pro Log V3 what is the best color science setting to select in Davinci Resolve Studio 17? Would you suggest using the DaVinci YRGB Color Science Managed and then selecting the Davinchi Wide Gamut preset? Thank you!

[@iphoneographers]

I primarily edit in Premiere Pro, but use Resolve for grading some. I just have it setup for LogV3 just using DaVinci YRGB as I'm grading in Rec 709 with Gamma 2.4. If you do some experiments and find some good options though please share!

[@SouthPhilly28th]

@@iphoneographers Will Do! Thank you!

[@moviemaker2490]

Thanks for a great video! But im seeing youre having the same problem im having with my iphone 12 pro max. The "flickering" in some parts of the trees. Do you have any idear where this is coming from? Or better, how to get rid of it?

[@iphoneographers]

It’s the Apple sharpening. You can soften the image in post production but didn’t do that on this video. It can be in issue especially if you’re watching it on a large 4K monitor, otherwise it’s not that noticeable. But definitely something to watch out for.

[@AI3Dorinte]

Thanks for the video, this looks amazing!

[@construct2501]

What phone grip Is that?

[@iphoneographers]

Shoulderpod G2 geni.us/A5z8.

[@gwb320]

Do you have any videos on your channel with tips for overcoming the lens glare issues on the iPhone 12 Pro Max? Any lens or filters that might help? I have some Moment stuff on the way that I will be trying out (anamorphic & 58mm).

[@iphoneographers]

You talking about the green dot flares? If so, no videos on that. However, it's been a thing for a while so it's not new. Using third-party lenses can help sometimes along with a DOF adapter (it eliminates it) - and of course just not shooting into lights and creating flares in the first place. :)

[@gwb320]

@@iphoneographers I didn't know there was such a thing as a Depth of field adapter. I'll look into that, and of course try to do my best to shoot around the flares. I shoot a lot of music performances with stage lights, so its a bit of a bummer as i love how it looks to catch the lights behind the performers. I will investage the adapters. Thanks for what you do, love the channel!

[@sh0tiphone]

Love your videos! Could you do a compare of Filmic Pro Log v3 and Mcpro24fps log profiles?

[@iphoneographers]

Will definitely look into that, thanks for suggestion.

[@reghunnicutt]

How did you get the moment drop in for the 12 pro? I’m waiting........

[@iphoneographers]

I run a KZbin channel about mobile video... :) They sent me an early release version.

[@mediamannaman]

Mine is supposed to ship tomorrow, 12/31.

[@cinematicknifeart9744]

You graded everything to your personal preference or did you use an industry standard?

[@iphoneographers]

Used a “DeLog” LUT that I created that makes the footage “normal”, which would be called Rec 709 typically. On some of the lake footage I did add a vignette and some subtle warmth here and there, but overall kept it very simple on purpose.

[@cinematicknifeart9744]

@@iphoneographers I noticed the warmth you added

[@cristian_712]

Does it have that flicker when shooting fast motion that Dolby vision has?

[@iphoneographers]

You’ll see that some when shooting fine detail like grass or trees, but you can soften the image in post to reduce or eliminate it. It’s my understanding this is the iPhone sharpening doing that.

[@YouAndImpact]

Great video 👍

[@steveg219]

The graded footage looks great!! The raw looks blown out though- how do you gauge the recording while shooting, just assume blown out is right??

[@iphoneographers]

Use the waveform and/or zebras or histogram in the app. However, this is so new still figuring out the best way to expose the image. Always protect the highlights though, if possible.

[@dougmorato]

Nice. Is there a way to reduce that super sharpening look? If it wasn’t for that, it would look really good.

[@iphoneographers]

Some shots can be worse offenders than others with fine lines and such, but yes - you can soften in post or use filters on the lens. Didn’t do that with these tests, but definitely do use those techniques.

[@MarkoMarkolovic]

What stand or stabilizer is your phone in?

[@iphoneographers]

Shoulderpod G2

[@Sir-Kay]

I saw your DolbyVision 10bit HDR video where u mentioned, The upcoming LogV3 being 10bit, so is this really SDR and not HDR? Is LogV3 10bit not already HDR? if not, how do we change it to HDR or we'll have to shoot in Dolby and sacrifice colorgrading? I know I've asked in other video but, what's the difference between the DolbyVis HDR 10bit and LogV3 10bit, I must admit, to say all these is confusing is and understatement. great video nonetheless.

[@iphoneographers]

I just replied in a previous comment, but they’re both 10-bit, just one is SDR and one is HDR. LogV3 is SDR (and is for color grading) and Dolby Vision is HDR (not designed for color grading - has a baked in HDR look).

[@Christopher.mercurio]

Does the moondog labs filter mount work with all the lenses on the iPhone 12 pro? pro max? I'm waiting for my moment case to arrive but have heard there are some compatibility issues.

[@iphoneographers]

Yes it does, but it blocks the LIDAR sensor. Hasn’t caused any issues, but they are working on a new version.

[@Christopher.mercurio]

@@iphoneographers thanks for the reply. thats good to know. i’m wondering if its something i could file or dremel so i wouldn’t have to buy a new one :)

[@MuratBey.]

What about stabilization performance, filmic pro vs native camera?

[@iphoneographers]

Did a video on the new sensor-shift, but haven’t compared the two apps yet. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXOoe6esh8ubd9U

[@MuratBey.]

@@iphoneographers looking forward your two app test, you know previos iphone did not give same smooth stabilization (native app) with filmic pro

[@Victor-rv8kc]

Hi ! Nce vidéo but i can't install the Lut on lumafusion, can you help me please ?

[@stevenshomler01]

Hello Blake Tonight, I bought you I bought your The Complete Guide To FiLMiC Pro. Per your advice in this video I filmed a video with my iPhone 12 Pro Max in Filmic Pro 24 FPS 1/48 4K 10 Bit Vlog3. Now As expected I have washed out ugly footage. What’s next? I have Final Pro X and Cinema Grade - Do I Color Grade The video there? Do I need to apply a Lut first before I Color Grade?? Thanks so much! Steven

[@iphoneographers]

Hi Steven, replied to the other message you sent. Thanks!

[@ebenatti]

Great improvement but why is not possibile use 4K 10 bit 60 fps in Filmic Pro as in the native app? I'm doing something wrong?

[@iphoneographers]

4K 60 not available yet in log. Very processor intense evidently, but will likely be added in the future.

[@ebenatti]

@@iphoneographers Ok thanks. And by the way is possibile in Filmic to shoot in total manual locking both shutter and ISO?

[@iphoneographers]

Yes definitely. You can lock it all down.

[@EaseAssassin]

Could you make a video on your render settings? My videos aren't coming out this nice

[@iphoneographers]

Yeah will look into doing that. Thanks for the suggestion!

[@clubbinmag3]

Will this not work for the iPhone XR 3

[@iphoneographers]

12 series phones only on iOS and select Android devices too. Have to be 10-bit compatible.

[@clubbinmag3]

@@iphoneographers and now I’m sad

[@emanuelmcfail]

So how many more stops of dynamic range do we get with LogV3?

[@iphoneographers]

Haven’t calculated that yet. But it’s improved from LogV2, which was 2 stops in most cases. Here too the footage is less noisy or not noisy at all.

[@emanuelmcfail]

@@iphoneographers yea I know LogV2 has up to 12 stops I was hoping V3 gives u the amount of an actual cinema camera.

[@alessandro.petracci]

Great news! The log v3 is also work with 60p footage? Thanks

[@Victor-rv8kc]

Hi, No filmic pro tell it's only 30p max

[@iphoneographers]

Not yet.

[@RalfeOrtiz]

I got excited and checked my apps update and saw this is only for the iPhone 12 series. I’m still on the 11 Pro Max. 😢

[@iphoneographers]

Yeah it's the Apple hardware that makes the 10-bit video possible.

[@Daysofsamara]

Where's the update (6.13) for Android devices? Can't find it on Google Play

[@MickaLuna]

How does 10 bit + Log v3 compares to Dolby Vision in terms of bitrate and amount of data captured?

[@iphoneographers]

In Filmic Pro they’re similar when using Filmic Extreme bit rate, although with LogV3 you can get up to 150Mbps. The Native app the HDR files are smaller due to the lower bit rates.

[@beloved3244]

I feel like shooting flat or normal is better while Having your color image already set by manipulating the saturation and vibrance. Or am I missing something?

[@technoendo]

I agree with you that flat/natural is better when FilmicLOG was 8-bit from what I've learned about it, but now that its 10-bit we should be on the lookout for dynamic range/noise/image quality tests to re-evaluate things. Be skeptical of tiny sensors of smartphones and their ability to capture deep color/dynamic range, but if you do any color grading then going from 8-bit to 10-bit on a log format may add valuable data for highlight recovery and grading latitude. This is a decent free upgrade to the recording/file format. My guess: everybody with capable hardware that likes to color grade and that is paying attention will migrate to 10-bit color profiles. We should wait for the tests though.

[@iphoneographers]

Just depends what you’re doing. I shoot log on both traditional cameras and iPhones in 8-bit and have had great results, although many don’t. But now with 10-bit it’s definitely worth exploring (on both). Also depends on the type of project. For quick turnaround stuff I’ll often just shoot natural or flat. The other thing too now with the iPhone 12 Pro Max especially because of a larger sensor it’s so much better in low light and the video noise levels are low. It’s a very solid option.

[@beloved3244]

@@technoendo agreed

[@beloved3244]

@@iphoneographers OK that makes sense. I still have the iPhone Pro 11 max. I never upgraded to the 12 because I was hoping that at least 6K or even 8K option would have been implement with the new releases but nonetheless you make solid points. If some IOS update allows the 12Pro Max to shoot in solid 6k or 8k then I’ll upgrade. Thanks bud love your content!

[@greggreenhaw]

I have the iphone 12 max pro and the compression for video is really bad along with sharpening

[@iphoneographers]

You shouldn’t be having any compression issues unless you’re talking about uploading it to KZbin or something. Even then it looks great being that you encode it with higher bit rates.

[@RickieAr]

LogV3 is not available for iphone11? 😢😢😢

[@iphoneographers]

It can take 24-48 hours to hit the App Store.

[@RickieAr]

@@iphoneographers You mean it will be available soon on iPhone11?

[@kamahljohnson5254]

4K 60 log yet?

[@iphoneographers]

No.

[@getvas15]

On my iPhone 12Pro I can see menu log 3, and my phone can’t shoot in log and Dolby vision together. What????????? Why ? Maybe somebody know ?

[@romainprovost7164]

Why Flog overexposed ?

[@FilmSpook]

YES! Thanks brother, you're much appreciated! Peace, everyone.

[@DIYPackraft]

Condolences, Blake.

[@nitetraitor1]

Looks like plain old video from a smart phone. What frame rate?

[@fasolaru8674]

⛔⛔⛔⛔ Please respond...i have iphone 11 pro max,i made update for Filmic Pro but i don't have 10bit option

[@iphoneographers]

It is only available on 12 series phones and some Android devices as they are the only ones that can do 10-bit video.

[@fasolaru8674]

@@iphoneographers Too bad,but why?Do you think it will be available soon?Any rumors?Thx from Romania 🇦🇩

[@PingWine]

It's nice and all but I'm just waiting for them to fix the hair artifacts. Real cameras give hair a soft look, with iPhones the hair always looks very oily.

[@nospam-hn7xm]

Dang! I meant to edit my comment, not delete it. In any case, thanks Blake, for keeping up with things.

[@twelvesochi6152]

Hi,I don’t know why,but log v3 hasn’t appeared after update. 10 bit - yes,but log v3 - no.

[@iphoneographers]

It can take 24-48 hours for it to hit the App Store.

[@corneliustitiu8739]

🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟

[@pep98]

Still al the flickering :-( Specialy in the trees. Why cant anyone tell me where it comes from and how to get rid of it?

[@iphoneographers]

It's the iPhone sharpening and also the video monitor you're watching this on. Some monitors you won't see it at all. Some - especially large traditional TVs - it can be very noticeable. You can add softening in post to help, which we do often in color grading (didn't do it here for this test footage though).

[@pep98]

@@iphoneographers Thank you so much! I have this problem in every video. Now i finaly know what i can do about it. Im watching my video’s on a LG 65” C9, so i think that’s the problem.

[@brianbell2176]

S21 ultra is capable of 12 bit now. Phones have definitely taken a leap in the last 2yrs for video.

[@whitelightprod5853]

the colorgrading wasn't optimal

[@i.am.rossalex]

I see blinking picture.

[@technoendo]

Way to get this video out so fast! I just updated and checked it out. It looks like we've got 2 sub-flavors of HDR to record now. HLG and DV profile 8.4 (which is also basically HLG with some DV metadata -- fairly similar), both rec2020, and interestingly it looks like the histogram and analytics are working when in 10-bit mode but still not in DV mode (unless you use the one inside the WB tool and leave the color profile selection open for its exposure histogram). I'm happy scopes/analytics now works in one of the two HDR recording modes. FilmicLOGv3 going 10-bit is also good news and I imagine once folks do their dynamic range/other tests everybody paying attention will stop shooting in 8-bit log on smartphones and migrate to 10-bit (assuming their hardware is capable).

[@iphoneographers]

Yeah the 10-bit color really does make a difference, especially for color grading. You can push the image a surprising amount!

[@technoendo]

@@iphoneographers Can you believe it? Actual editing latitude on phone footage! I did highlight recovery and ye gods, there was some data!

[@TheFilmmakingChannel]

Your color grading isn’t the best in my opinion. Almost every shot lacks contrast and the image looks soft.

[@JulienLombardo]

Agreed. A bit too purple as well for my taste.

[@iphoneographers]

You might want to check your monitor calibration or your internet connection as it relates to softness as this footage is not soft. Phones over sharpen and that’s a problem we often try to tackle with filters or post softening, but none of that was done here. It’s all quite sharp, although the log helps take some of that away too.

[@brianmaxim]

Who else saw the shot of something moving in the trees and first thought was Predator

[@Taran_Bali]

This is so cool, until the time comes for a real job.

[@mpkblydspkbl745]

So I went over all the comments and replies to see if any said your daughter looks like hermione granger from Harry Potter, I guess I’m the only techie-wannabe potter-head, lol

[@TonyBabarino]

2nd! 👍

[@TravelDrone]

Great content, I like it 👍 I'm always open for feedback, and would be grateful, if someone would check it out...

[@darkknightwithanidea1845]

There is one very important caveat that needs to be explained in this upgrade and that is that in order to shoot the 10 bit you can only do 24 FPS ,30 FPS will reduce the resolution to 2K and 60 FPSwill reduce it to 1080 P. In a day and age when most filmmakers want 4K and are creatively restricted to 24 FPS what is the point of this upgrade, especially when it’s only in an iPhone 12 model. your’e held hostage to 24P. Sorry - not impressed.

[@iphoneographers]

Actually you can do 4K 30FPS, 25FPS and 24FPS. At this point you cannot do 4K 60 FPS in 10-bit log. The 10-bit aspect is part of the iPhone 12 and 100% dependent on the Apple hardware, thus it won’t work on previous generation phones.

[@darkknightwithanidea1845]

@@iphoneographers That’s weird because when you look in the APP update notes V 6.13.1 it says exactly what was stated. Unless Filmic updated in the last day or so. In their update notes it’s says Cinematographer Kit 10 Bit capture limited to 30 FPS @ 2K & above & 60 FPS @ 1080P.

[@iphoneographers]

Yeah that’s correct. 2K and above… That means 2k, 3K and 4K at 30 FPS, 25 FPS or 24 FPS. It’s actually been like that ever since they introduced log back in 2017. Kind of strange phrasing though in their notes.

[@fasolaru8674]

NO DIFFERENCE...SAME VIDEO