HOW TO Slate PROPERLY - Film Making for Newbs

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Kyle Lawrence

Kyle Lawrence

6 жыл бұрын

There's much more to slating than most people realize, and you're probably doing it wrong. Follow these tips for a streamlined production and post-production process to keep your footage organized and synchronized.
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@londekashazi527
@londekashazi527 Жыл бұрын
"I bet you didn't realize it was that complicated" yup that's me. I was taking notes and suddenly stop and realized I have to watch this at least 5 times to get it. But it's so helpful and I didn't know you need to know so much. Thank you
@josephptellesr.4266
@josephptellesr.4266 4 жыл бұрын
I'm glad this was for newbs. I'd hate to see one for pros! :-) I'm gonna need to watch this more than once. Thanks for the lesson.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Joseph P Telle Sr. Haha! Thanks for watching!
@Oceansta
@Oceansta Жыл бұрын
If you think this was scary, try actually doing it on a real film set 😅
@csnicdao
@csnicdao 6 жыл бұрын
**That moment when I realized that I watched this video a dozen of times before I was able to grasp all of those things..** xD You're legend man! Great job! Very Helpful!!! :D Thanks a lot! ^_^
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Haha, thanks!
@S9universe
@S9universe 3 жыл бұрын
was thinking the same lol
@michaelmaristela9115
@michaelmaristela9115 3 жыл бұрын
0:24 what is that that you holding your hand? Can you tell the name is that thing?
@scavvyshappyplace3782
@scavvyshappyplace3782 5 жыл бұрын
Bah! I firmly stand by the belief that MOS means "Mitout Sound" with a heavy german accent!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
you're probably right :P
@typerryrealestate6996
@typerryrealestate6996 3 жыл бұрын
Exactly right!! There is no "witttthhh" sound in german . Our "W" is prounouced "Vasser" The old filmmakers tried to say: "WITH-out sound" Except without the "whiff - owt "turnd to "miff - owt" or mit out sound." Hence M.O.S. It's not important but it goes way back.
@milovarquiel
@milovarquiel 5 жыл бұрын
Now this is a proper tutorial unlike other channels
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Scorpio-jm5nh
@Scorpio-jm5nh 4 жыл бұрын
Watched many 'How to slate' videos, and this one was definitely the most helpful. Thanks!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@kristianpeterson2571
@kristianpeterson2571 2 жыл бұрын
I wish I had seen this a week ago. I was hired by a local studio as their script supervisor two days prior to the actual shoot day. Little did I know that I would also be the 1st AD, safety officer, PA, etc., etc. I wound up buying the MovieSlate 8 app for iPad , which is great. But I didn’t have time to really familiarize myself with all of the capabilities, other than the basics. Thank god it was a relatively small production, as it was my first time having ANY of these responsibilities. But I take my acting seriously, and was determined to not be the weak link on set. Mission accomplished! As the director thanked me for all of my hard work and said I the most important person on set. Time will tell. I hope the editor can read my chicken scratch on my script notes and circle forms. Thank you for this video. I’ll go over it many times again, I’m sure. As I will be running the slate for a local tv show coming up in a couple of weeks.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
That’s awesome!! Thanks for watching!
@alanmcrae8594
@alanmcrae8594 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation! I took notes as you went along, and did a few replays of short sections to make sure I was understanding them correctly. Now I am ready to use my new slate on my next production. Thank you so much Kyle for teaching us all how to slate like a pro!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Alan McRae that’s great! Thanks for watching!
@BigCityPalooka
@BigCityPalooka 5 жыл бұрын
I didn't realize it was THAT complicated! Thank you for this. Cheers!
@jasonspades5628
@jasonspades5628 4 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I thought using a slate/board was just something amateurs did to look professional or fancy..... ....as it turns out, if keeping tracking of 62 different clips is important, its pretty necessary
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Jason Spades it’s definitely an important piece of the process. Every show you watch on TV is using them.
@atanupalit6337
@atanupalit6337 3 жыл бұрын
At last a video on this topic with no nonsense to the point explanation. Thank you ❤️
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@alexmarkowski3859
@alexmarkowski3859 3 жыл бұрын
So Good! and Obviously from the point of view of actual experience and based on methods practiced on set. No BS. Thanks man I use your video in every sound class.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Alex Markowski thanks!!
@_D_e_n_
@_D_e_n_ Жыл бұрын
Oh gods. I have been looking for this information for several years. And, I see here all in one video! Thanks!
@alhla
@alhla Жыл бұрын
MOS - Minus Optical Stripe… from old film days. Celluloid had an optical stripe for sound. Minus the stripe meant there was no sound.
@reinaproductions
@reinaproductions Жыл бұрын
OK, I'm old, MOS meant MIT OUT Sound or Mask out sound, only release or answer prints had optical sound stripes, 35mm NEG never had sound, it was always double system,
@1000voyage
@1000voyage 6 жыл бұрын
I really liked your video, and i was stuned about the possibilitys and way it works. Thank you for explaining it.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@thaerosthedragon1930
@thaerosthedragon1930 3 жыл бұрын
Super helpful! I'm the location sound and post sound guy for my college theater dept. short films (because covid) and the first day the director/cinematographer did not seem interested in keeping me in the loop with his plans. I bought a cheap slate off amazon and I'm going to use this knowledge to great effect so that even if no one else cares at least I know what's going on!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thaeros the Dragon thanks for watching! And director/cinematographer who doesn’t care about sound sounds like the wrong director/cinematographer! 😁
@GoranSlika
@GoranSlika 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this! Exactly the information I was looking for after working on sets for months (not in camera department, not to worry).
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
@nolidcreations
@nolidcreations 4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome...I just purchased and use a slate for the very first time...Pretty cool... learned a lot from your video...gonna have to get new one because I purchased the chalk board one ..😬😁...Thanks again....best wishes 🙏🏾
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
No Lid Creations awesome! Thanks for watching! Chalk board slates are cool too and serve the same purpose if that’s all you’ve got, though not commonly used.
@GugunArief
@GugunArief 5 жыл бұрын
The most comprehensive tutorials about slate. Thank you, Kyle.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@rickymcc9072
@rickymcc9072 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, I came to this late and learnt a lot (I'm a newbie) ran a few times to reinforce my notes. More to the process than I initially expected.
@limecooki9129
@limecooki9129 5 жыл бұрын
amazing video! Thank you! I'm definitely subscribing and going to be watching your videos, especially this one a bunch more times
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@570films
@570films 5 жыл бұрын
Outstanding! Clean, clear and precise information. 🤔
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@brandonbordeaux5423
@brandonbordeaux5423 5 жыл бұрын
Great video Kyle!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheAfrochef
@TheAfrochef 5 жыл бұрын
You sharpened that sword to a point very quickly. Thank you immensely!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@penguinYT1
@penguinYT1 11 ай бұрын
Excellent tutorial! Thank you!
@NJBROTHA2K
@NJBROTHA2K 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Made all the sense in the world. Much appreciated
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@shaggy72
@shaggy72 6 жыл бұрын
* Wow that was like an important chunk or actual film school all in 10 minutes! haha * All this time, I thought that "lens into liquid" shot at end was an actual lens, but now think it's a drinking mug haha
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and commenting! haha, yes, just a mug. :)
@eggundercover
@eggundercover 4 жыл бұрын
I didn't knew 'til I read this comment-
@christhompsonphotography6783
@christhompsonphotography6783 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent content.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Kevin_Kessels
@Kevin_Kessels 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the knowledge, I'm going to be a 2nd AC for the first time this week, so I'm going to watch this 3 times haha.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Good luck!
@hi-hatfilms2584
@hi-hatfilms2584 6 жыл бұрын
That was awesome, I learned a lot. Thanks a bunch
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@jessreyes2626
@jessreyes2626 4 жыл бұрын
No, had no idea there was so much to it! Thanks for the great video!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Jess Reyes thanks for watching!
@yunjinam731
@yunjinam731 6 жыл бұрын
That was one of the best videos on how to slate on youtube
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@TheFanClubReview
@TheFanClubReview 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. I just brought 2 slate boards from Adorama in NYC from canvision.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@ChristianYouthFilmSociety
@ChristianYouthFilmSociety 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent tutorial brother! Glad I stumbled upon it. Thanks!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@shauncullen5038
@shauncullen5038 3 жыл бұрын
awesome bro! i justed started as a 2nd and this was really helpful. i had no idea about slating and my first job a few weeks ago I had to do some audio slating and when I marked the take I just stood there afterwards for a few seconds without getting out of the frame. such a noob! hahahaha
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Haha nice! Don’t worry, I’ve seen so many people do that when they are new! Welcome to the industry and thanks for watching!
@BloodyMunchkin
@BloodyMunchkin 6 жыл бұрын
Very useful video. Thanks a bunch!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mylifepart2
@mylifepart2 Ай бұрын
awesome lesson..and information....super....thank you....good lesson here...
@themaverickactuary
@themaverickactuary 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent guidance! 👍
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@sanjacobs6261
@sanjacobs6261 Жыл бұрын
This video is such a valuable resource to just throw someone's way to teach them to slate. All the basics are covered perfectly. Only thing I can see missing is PU after the take number for pickups. Great video, thank you for making it.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!! Yes, I did forget to mention pickups and I think one other thing - haha it was a lot of info! But thanks for watching and for the comment!!
@rayafilms
@rayafilms 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent explanation, thank you!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@globalanthem9463
@globalanthem9463 4 жыл бұрын
wow this was great.. been studying filmaking for years and didnt know it was this deep
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@laurafuino6196
@laurafuino6196 3 жыл бұрын
Great information thank you
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@mariorivas7886
@mariorivas7886 2 жыл бұрын
Best first class, I mean ,First Class teaching, Thx so much.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@mychalsimmons4177
@mychalsimmons4177 6 ай бұрын
Kool...great info Thank you
@JayCarver
@JayCarver 4 жыл бұрын
Great detailed info!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@looily
@looily 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much. So so helpful.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks
@nosurnamer
@nosurnamer 6 жыл бұрын
thanks for this one! It's awesome
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@sirena7116
@sirena7116 4 жыл бұрын
I had no idea. Thank you!!
@daniel.lopresti
@daniel.lopresti 3 жыл бұрын
Brilliant and informative video. Edited out stupid question which I managed to figure out moments after posting ;)
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@chippingaway-williamedmond5639
@chippingaway-williamedmond5639 2 жыл бұрын
Good, thorough explanation!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!
@raflormans
@raflormans 5 жыл бұрын
legend! very helpfull, thanks!!!
@IanLewis10
@IanLewis10 4 жыл бұрын
Great video! Learned a lot.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Cool!! Thanks for watching!
@HeatherHenderson
@HeatherHenderson 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for this.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@matheuscampello6281
@matheuscampello6281 4 жыл бұрын
That video was dope, thanks man!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Matheus Campello thanks!!
@GoutamMadhu
@GoutamMadhu 6 жыл бұрын
I'm the 2100th no. of subscriber of your channel. Thanks a lot sir.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
@Dev-FilmZ
@Dev-FilmZ Жыл бұрын
Thank you sir!
@playonlinetvmax
@playonlinetvmax 5 жыл бұрын
I like the tight explanation you gave
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
thanks!
@RhythmicEye
@RhythmicEye 2 жыл бұрын
Comprehensive tutorial. Great job!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@daudaisausman3196
@daudaisausman3196 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!
@samanthaisom7481
@samanthaisom7481 5 жыл бұрын
Thank you this is great
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@matthiascieslik5301
@matthiascieslik5301 6 жыл бұрын
very efficient thanks.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@crfvp4u
@crfvp4u 3 жыл бұрын
The fast pace explanation was great. Good job.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
crfvp4u thanks!
@crfvp4u
@crfvp4u 3 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 Hey Kyle, how has your work load been in this new environment. Are you in the Hollywood area or in the Gavin Newsom shut down state?
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
crfvp4u I’m in Vancouver. The industry here is picking back up pretty quickly to pre-pandemic levels. There’s a lot of new protocols in place, but lots of work.
@crfvp4u
@crfvp4u 3 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 I was born in Vancouver! I've been in So Cal for a while. I've own a Deneke TS-3 for about 6 years now but a lot of fast pace productions don't want to use a slate let a loan a smart slate, most small productions depend on Puraleyes or the editing suit version to sync.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
crfvp4u I think you’re working on the wrong shows if they refuse to use industry standard gear 😝
@harlangleeson9496
@harlangleeson9496 2 жыл бұрын
wonderful
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Brad.Pickens
@Brad.Pickens 3 жыл бұрын
Great ass video my G!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@hotspur4237
@hotspur4237 Жыл бұрын
Nice coffee mug
@tymurmerkulov80
@tymurmerkulov80 5 жыл бұрын
It was very useful, thanks)
@danielszomor5025
@danielszomor5025 2 жыл бұрын
Very good presentation, one thing I noticed: on films I have worked on, the sound speed was followed by the 2nd ac putting in the slate, but at the same time, also him saying the infos and MARK, but did not clap it yet. Once the slate was in frame, 1st AC pressed play, and he responded MARK also, so that was the time, the 2ND clapped. I guess both ways gets the job done..
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, ideally you just need a frame or two of the slate on camera, save some film/GBs and say the slate info before rolling the camera.
@Tmanaz480
@Tmanaz480 4 жыл бұрын
Check with your sound mixer. Often he is pre-slating the scene and take numbers onto the recorder himself. 2AC will only call out the appropriate "mark".
@j.j.c.s2802
@j.j.c.s2802 5 жыл бұрын
In simple terms, those of you who are slating the scene this afternoon move your clothes down onto the lower peg immediately after lunch, before you write your letter home, if you're not getting your hair cut, unless you've got a younger brother who is going out this weekend as the guest of another boy, in which case, collect his note before lunch, put it in your letter after you've had your hair cut, and make sure he moves your clothes down onto the lower peg for you. In summary, If you're not getting your hair cut, you don't have to move your brother's clothes down to the lower peg. You simply collect his note before lunch, after you've done your script prep, when you've written your letter home, before rest, move your own clothes onto the lower peg, greet the actors, and report to Mr. Viney that you've had your slate signed.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
hmm... peculiar.
@angiehandal4338
@angiehandal4338 6 жыл бұрын
thank you thank you thank you
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
and thank you!
@clijn6741
@clijn6741 4 жыл бұрын
You are seriously underrated
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Clijn that’s what I thought!! Haha thank you though!
@FrancescoPaggiaro
@FrancescoPaggiaro 2 жыл бұрын
This video is massive, too much information man. Thanks
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@Moonthre
@Moonthre 3 жыл бұрын
you have my subscription, buddy.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@razaqadeshinaadenle6062
@razaqadeshinaadenle6062 22 күн бұрын
I honestly didn't know slating is this complicated.
@kvalness4299
@kvalness4299 3 жыл бұрын
Didn't know Snowden dyed his hair blue and started teaching filmmaking. Jokes aside, good job man, very detailed and helpful info!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Not sure how Snowden ties into this but thanks for watching!
@kvalness4299
@kvalness4299 3 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 Your face really reminded me of Snowden hahaha
@peterohara1
@peterohara1 4 жыл бұрын
Using letters is the American standard. UK use slate numbers and just go up by one every time the camera angle changes. It's a simpler way of doing things I think.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for commenting. I've only worked in the industry in North America, good to know. :)
@omkar995
@omkar995 5 жыл бұрын
very helpful but would like to see some more Practically thanks.
@JunyorRodrigues
@JunyorRodrigues 6 жыл бұрын
Gosto muito de seus videos
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
obrigado
@lifemoreefficient4476
@lifemoreefficient4476 Жыл бұрын
Can you do one on how to slate for drone or aerial shots pretty much any shot that's above head or far
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 Жыл бұрын
There are a few ways to do this. Sometimes a giant skate is used if the camera is high up / far away. You can also do a series slate by rolling the camera when close to you just for the slate and then cutting before moving the drone/camera into position and then rolling for each take. The series slate can also work as a tail slate. Drone and aerial shots are likely MOS. Be sure to mark on camera report that it’s a series.
@IanZainea1990
@IanZainea1990 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate this video. I'm currently syncing footage, and I wanted to see if there were good resources out there, because no one does it right, long time before the slate enters the shot, it enters closed, no call out for scene/take, and out of focus. The only thing I think you didn't mention (but demonstrated), is write big and clear on the slate so people can actually read it! I also have become a fan of the 2nd AC putting their hand between the sticks when it is MOS, a nice big, clear visual (like holding the slate from the center of the bottom stick, if that makes sense).
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks! Yes, it can certainly be frustrating for the editor (assistant / dailies / whoever) when things aren’t slated properly. Share this with the 2nd ACs whenever you go into a new project! Haha :) thanks for watching!
@IanZainea1990
@IanZainea1990 3 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 Agreed! and I will! (In the rare occasion I'm brought before wrapping, ugh lol)
@reinaproductions
@reinaproductions Жыл бұрын
OK, I'm old, I've never heard the term [motor only sound] way back MOS meant MIT OUT Sound or Mask out sound, only release or answer prints had optical sound stripes, 35mm NEG never had sound, it was always double system,
@videogenico
@videogenico 6 жыл бұрын
Great video! In case of 2 cameras rolling and one slate, should I clap twice (one after saying A mark and the second after saying B mark)? Or is it enough to clap 1 time after saying "A Mark, B mark" and making sure the slate is visible in both the camera? Cheers :)
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! If both cameras can see the same slate when you clap it, just label it as "Common Stix" and say "Common Sticks, Mark" and you only need to clap it once. If both cameras can't see the slate at the same time, then you should say "A Mark" before clapping it in front of A Camera, and then move it to B Camera, say "B Mark" and then clap it. No need to repeat the Scene/Take information twice though. :)
@thatguyTushar
@thatguyTushar 4 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 When the same slate is used on two cameras then how do you label the 'roll'?
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
@@thatguyTushar Each roll has it's own unique label. In the digital world, each card (or each time you format the card) becomes a new roll. If you had two drives with the same name, it would lead to confusion. If you are rolling on A camera and B camera, normally, you would use two slates (one for A camera with A camera's current roll, such as A101 and one for B camera with B camera's current roll, such as B098). However, if you're using a common slate (Common Stix) for both cameras, then you should mark both rolls on the slate (A101, B098). Thanks for watching!
@realDahenzi
@realDahenzi 3 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@esteva03
@esteva03 4 жыл бұрын
There are 4 burnt pixels right? Don't mind them. The video was awesome! Thanks.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Esteban Franchina thanks for watching!
@FCPWHAT
@FCPWHAT 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks.. 7:16 I think in a Multicam situation you DO need SAY the scene info on B & C cameras etc. because if your sound files become separated, simply hearing "B Mark" won't help you identify the scene.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching. Great insight! To clarify, what I shared is based on the assumption that you're recording audio separate from video, to an audio recorder, not on the camera. If so, then you'd be using the same audio file for all three (A, B and C) cameras.
@beckybrucelee
@beckybrucelee 2 жыл бұрын
Shouldn't use just one hand to close the sticks - means the clapperboard moves which is not optimal for visual sync.
@beckybrucelee
@beckybrucelee 2 жыл бұрын
Also you should call the board information after sound has called speed not when the 1st AC says speed. When the 1st AC has called speed that's when you clap the sticks. This is because, when using film you don't want to waste footage calling out the slate information - you only want to catch the sticks clapping. Recording audio is cheaper so you call it earlier than bringing the camera up to speed.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching and for the comments! I certainly don't claim to be an AC or an expert. In my experience as a dailies operator, syncing tens of thousands of clips with audio, I am typically only looking at a few frames and moving back and forth frame by frame. So any movement is minimal in such a short time gap. The countless shots I've had where the AC only used one hand did not create any hindrance for me syncing them, so, rest assured :). But thank you for keeping the dailies operator or assistant editor in mind! :) Now, of course, if you're on a really long lens where small movements are exaggerated, or a really tight shot where you don't have much empty space around the slate - using two hands is certainly important to keep the slate in the frame.
@CranberryCreekProduction
@CranberryCreekProduction 3 жыл бұрын
Some filmmakers today still use film rolls. I rather use that instead of those SD cards or so.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
You’re correct, some do still use film rolls.
@YoungBlaze
@YoungBlaze 5 жыл бұрын
When ever im on set i always call mark! But he never picks up the phone! 😎😁
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
Mark always has his phone on silent... because he's on set. Unfortunately, it's an old iPhone 4S and the "buzzer" has stopped "buzzing", so he doesn't feel the vibration. Needless to say, Mark has missed countless calls. AT&T tried offering him a number of free phone upgrades, but he missed their calls. It's a real catch 22 situation. Poor Mark.
@lexbonzq5968
@lexbonzq5968 6 жыл бұрын
Really cool and well explained. thanks please can i get the music track you used in your intro montage or similar track? thanks again
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! The first track used is called "I Wanna Stay Here With You" and the second track, during the montage of slates, is called "Intertwined". Both are from Epidemic Sound. Thanks!
@Davekochphoto
@Davekochphoto 3 жыл бұрын
When I was coming up as a second, we did MOS with a finger between the clappers.... and it is Mit Out Sound....
@soundbreaker2485
@soundbreaker2485 3 жыл бұрын
On east coast or west coast? I know regions sometimes have it differently. Where I am it’s fingers/hand between the clappers & called MOS instead of for Mit out sound it’s for Motor only sync with only a few people saying mit out sound. It’s interesting how different regions & different production groups have different names & definitions for the same things or use several definitions but favor one over the other.
@saidcisneros2933
@saidcisneros2933 Жыл бұрын
Quick question on MOS slating. I've seen people put one hand in between the sticks without clapping to indicate MOS. Would that be fine too?
@KellyAskam_MindExchangeMusic
@KellyAskam_MindExchangeMusic 3 жыл бұрын
Hi! Great video that encompasses much of what I've seen on set as a production sound mixer as well as post sound editor. I am curious though, at 5:02 there's H6B and at 7:26 there's J6A in the "scene." What might these other letters mean? Cheers!
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!! In the case of H6B and J6A, those were scenes H6 and J6 respectively. With the letter on the right side of the number obviously marking the setup. When a script has scene numbers already and other scenes are added, a letter is used in the script to place it between the two scenes it was added between so that the numbers don’t change and throw off all of the existing paperwork, breakdowns, budgets, etc. Whether the script marks it correctly (letter before the number) or more commonly incorrectly (letter after the number), it should always be slated with the letter first, otherwise the master shot of Scene 9A (which should be A9) would be mistaken for the second setup of Scene 9 (slated as 9A). Hope that makes sense haha Thanks again for watching!
@TheBlueScarecrow
@TheBlueScarecrow 6 жыл бұрын
Where did they get motor only sync? MOS is a term from the 1930's when they used to record audio optically on film. MOS means Minus Optical Soundtrack; not Mid Out Sound in a German accent; that's the Hollywood version.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the insight! It's possible MOS originated as "Minus Optical Soundtrack", although, I wouldn't know as I wasn't making films in the 1930s, haha. But, I do know that today, on set of most studio shows, the consensus is that it stands for "Motor Only Sync"... audio is no longer recorded optically onto the film, in fact, most shows nowadays aren't even using film. "Mid Out Sound" is more of a running joke in some parts of the industry, although I don't often hear that joke on Vancouver's film sets. Thanks!
@matthiaslang9919
@matthiaslang9919 6 жыл бұрын
MOS means „motion only shot“.
@madnessbydesign1415
@madnessbydesign1415 6 жыл бұрын
I learned it as "Minus Optical Sound" as well. They may well have simply adapted it to "Motor Only Sync" after the fact to retain the same meaning, without causing confusion.
@Fishmanist
@Fishmanist 5 жыл бұрын
Mixer's Out Smoking
@Tmanaz480
@Tmanaz480 4 жыл бұрын
Like "the whole nine yards", the origin is lost in the mists of history.
@ruthok1
@ruthok1 8 ай бұрын
MOS - MIT OUT SOUND or MOTOR ONLY SYNC? Whats the difference ?
@ianzhao5693
@ianzhao5693 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle, as a newb, I wonder that in the unlikely circumstances which the project is taken place during many years, and if you started the project with one camera as the a cam but five years later you decided to use an upgraded camera to finish the project, can you still assign it under the same letter? I can imagine it could be problematic for DIT. Thanks
@Tmanaz480
@Tmanaz480 4 жыл бұрын
Variation: hold the closed sticks together for an MOS slate.
@bdunphy4796
@bdunphy4796 3 жыл бұрын
Only do that if you have your fingers between the clappers. Alleviates confusion for the editor
@Mexploitation
@Mexploitation 3 жыл бұрын
If only everyone would follow the rules, life would be so much better. Also you missed the part that if you want to annoy your D.P. you should say soft sticks everytime is a close up shot :D
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 3 жыл бұрын
I think I did miss the part about soft sticks, that’s definitely important to do on a closeup. Not sure how that annoys the DP though. Thanks for watching!
@grooveroid
@grooveroid 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this very concise information. My only question is regarding focus. The slate should be in focus. If the camera in in fact focused on the subject how can one ensure or even know if the slate is in focus also? Since the slate signifies the start of action the live camera wouldn't have any time to refocus on the actors or scene, particularly it's that clip is a wide shot at a distance.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! To answer your question (and correct one small thing) ... The slate does not signify the start of action, it signifies the start of a clip/take for editorial purposes. You would normally focus sharp on the slate, allow the 2nd Assistant Camera to call out the slate information, clap the sticks, and then get out of the way. While the 2nd AC is getting out of the way, you have time to refocus on the actors/subject. The director (or AD) would wait until the focus is sharp (or perhaps the camera op calls out "set" or "frame") before calling "action". In some circumstances where it would be difficult to refocus/reposition the camera to accommodate the slate, you can do a tail slate (where you slate at the end of the take before you cut the roll), but this should usually only be used when necessary, as it can slow down the post production processes. (Note: a tail slate should be help upside down to signify that it's a tail slate.) Hope this helps! Thanks again for watching!
@grooveroid
@grooveroid 4 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 Thanks for your swift response Kyle, yes that helps a great deal. One other thing about syncing audio. I have so far used 3 claps as I have found that easier to sync clips to audio, however this seems rather at odds with every pro slating I've so far observed. So one clap works ok? There should be a automatic way of sample locking the audio transient to the precise moment the sticks close! Tim
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 4 жыл бұрын
@@grooveroid Yes, one clap is all that's needed. I imagine three claps would just annoy your actors - and the extra claps really don't give you any advantage. You will sync the visual beat of the slate clapping to the audible sound of the slate clapping. You will do this by playing frame by frame, not watching at full speed. This is why you should call "Mark" before clapping the slate, so that you have an audible indication that the noise you heard was the slate being clapped and not something falling on the ground. Make sure your video and audio are being recorded at the same frame rate. There are some programs out there that can attempt to "auto sync", by locating quick peaks in the audio waveform, but it doesn't get much better than manually syncing it yourself. Which is even what the pros do on studio level features.
@darenvaldezvisuals
@darenvaldezvisuals Жыл бұрын
Hey Kyle, just had a bit of a random question. How does one slate a shot without messing up the adjusted framing/focus? should the focus be set on the slate then changed to subject after? Or if there isnt enough space to clearly fit the slate within the setup, what happens then?
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 Жыл бұрын
The slate should always be sharp, so typically you will adjust focus to the slate and then readjust focus to your subject. In some situations where this would create issues or where the shot is too tight or too close to that actor, you can do a tail slate. This means that you’ll run the scene and then before cutting, the camera can break its shot to grab the slate somewhere more accessible. Tail slates should always be upside down.
@darenvaldezvisuals
@darenvaldezvisuals Жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 Awesome! Thanks for the info :)
@MrSangsanga
@MrSangsanga 6 жыл бұрын
For the scene number, What if you go all the way through the alphabet?
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 6 жыл бұрын
If you go all the way through the alphabet, then your next shot will use double digits, for example: Y, Z, AA, AB, AC, etc... thanks for watching!
@davidvandermeijde4884
@davidvandermeijde4884 5 жыл бұрын
@@klawrence1987 Why not make it way easier? Roll-scene-shot-take, I don't get the method with the letters, seems very ineffecient.
@klawrence1987
@klawrence1987 5 жыл бұрын
@@davidvandermeijde4884 The way I shared is indeed Roll-Scene-Shot-Take, however, shot uses letters. What I shared is the industry accepted standard that every editor, assistant editor and dailies operator will be familiar with and will clearly understand. The letter also provides a cleaner way to organizing clips that are part of the same scene. Files for editing are normally labeled 1-1 (for Scene 1 take 1), 1A-1 (scene/shot 1A Take 1), etc. 1-1.mov 1-2.mov 1A-1.mov 1A-2.mov 1B-1.mov is much cleaner to read than 1-1-1.mov 1-1-2.mov 1-2-1.mov etc..
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