How To Talk To Your MAGA Friends & Family

Art Markman, Ph.D. breaks down how to talk to your MAGA family & friends
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[@ebybeehoney]

The problem is that the main reason people I know, who I meet in my state, who like Trump, really like him because he allows them to be racists. They don't admit it but that's what it boils down to.

[@tbecker97204]

Sure, Trump has given racists, xenophobes, homophobes, misogynists and others the *Green Light* to bring that bad behavior into the daylight.

[@kentcolgan6139]

My experience as well. The same people who hated Obama for no reason they could articulate out loud in polite company.

[@gopilotmusic]

One will never get an openly racist tr*mper to change. Rather, only the ones who genuinely would not want to be racist.

[@Ech0s_1972]

He hates the same people they hate- not just rascists but bigots as well.

[@fishbone2921]

It's been my experience that any fact they are uncomfortable with is declared to be fake news and ignored .

[@einmalnachgedacht6596]

Maybe true but there is a saying: "not seeing the bar in your own eye" start with that.

[@no.1sweetie956]

This is so true...

[@pakde8002]

If it's a keyboard warrior just back up what you're defending with a quote from a conservative source like Business Insider or The Wall Street Journal and include the link. Then just say I've taken the time to find this for you so I hope you'll stop and read it. Thanks and have a good day. Try to avoid a long drawn out discussion based in emotion and don't let them make you angry. Avoid trolls at all costs because they're just bored and trying to get attention. Remember, the true believers have been programmed to believe what they're hearing in the right wing echo chambers over a period of years.

[@JellyBean-lo4sl]

Yippie

[@huntspoint3442]

Just like they have been taught by their fearless leader.

[@gwillis01]

My favorite line is "Don't bring data to a values fight" It goes along with that old proverb: "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts"

[@tuckerbugeater]

Fauci funded Gain of Function at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. A fact that's backed up with data.

[@melanciafan]

@@tuckerbugeater "Fauci funded". Now why would Fauci fund research at that lab? Go ahead, we're waiting.

[@mastershifu7]

@@melanciafan EcoHealth Alliance, a New York City-based nonprofit that partners with far-flung laboratories to research and prevent the outbreak of emerging diseases, did indeed enhance a bat coronavirus to become potentially more infectious to humans, which the NIH letter described as an “unexpected result” of the research it funded that was carried out in partnership with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This was all done under Fauci instructions

[@iosolofede]

So, what do you do when THEY bring up data? You know the donald likes numbers. He has the best numbers.

[@writeatease3689]

I have found a proven way to get along with my MAGA relatives. I avoid gatherings and conversations.

[@xAJxo]

BINGO!

[@tbecker97204]

Necessary to retain your sanity, but a pretty sad state of affairs with so many of us.

[@Ech0s_1972]

This has been my go to for the last year - in Texas.

[@accountant02130]

In the 90's ... when Jerry Springer retired .. he was asked what was the secret to his success ?? He simply replied ... "I never ran out of stupid people" ..

[@markblocker4981]

Democrats, most likely.

[@janetcrisis1704]

@@markblocker4981 dt was a dem. Calls you stupid uneducated lowlifes!? said as he flew off his extreme cold and heat rallies.left them there. WENT to hospitals.pitiful. told pences aide turned whistleblower olivia..god i hate shaking these filthy ppls hands!

[@josephconner3742]

@@markblocker4981 Republicans are intelligent?! Since when?! Since they became wannabe fascist nazi's?!

[@Utopiate1111]

NEVER ARGUE WITH STUPID PEOPLE, THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THEIR LEVEL AND THEN BEAT YOU WITH EXPERIENCE! ~ Mark Twain

[@CaptMike-ce3xi]

That's a good one!!! If I can remember it, I'm going to use it sometime.

[@nolandclark653]

Not only following a KZbin named after a Republican president but also Quoting Republican writers might speak volumes about you.

[@g0679]

Another from MT on the subject: you will get yourself dirty, and they will enjoy it.

[@thechumpsbeendumped.7797]

I’ve always liked this quote but it wasn’t said by Twain. Something similar was said by Jean Cocteau “Never associate with idiots on their own level, because, being an intelligent man, you’ll try to deal with them on their level and on their level they”ll beat you every time.”

[@stevenheld8648]

You dont talk to democrats then?

[@keepercoach]

It's difficult to win an argument with an intelligent person, it's impossible to win one with a stupid person

[@geminirat60]

haha Bill Murray

[@mrvlsmrv]

You said it brother. I tried to explain to someone that they were name calling. They said they called people ignorant because they didn't do they're own research. Claimed that it wasn't name calling. Then proceeded to call me names. WTF!

[@jerkfudgewater147]

I always try to support the worst part of the villain… pointing out the evil as a benefit… “if we force the poor who spend all of their money to pay the share of taxes that we’re no longer charging the rich… the rich will get to keep that money… that’s why their rich!!!” But they usually just agree without ever seeming to get the point

[@janaleland9038]

@@mrvlsmrv --been there. Have been done to in that!

[@spir5102]

Paul nesbitt, "Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”

[@mikek4443]

Boy I have never seen a MAGA Zombie change their mind, they double down, and love him even more.

[@mikescarborough9196]

Because nothing matters in the MAGA Universe. Nothing matters except guns and keeping Tammy Sue from getting an abortion after her father gets her pregnant.

[@irishdivajeffries6668]

That's because they are poorly educated and bamboozled by tRump.

[@michaelbongo418]

Try talking to them and - "He didn't say that. He didn't do that. And if he did, he was only kidding. And if he wasn't, then you just don't understand. And if you do, it's not a big deal anyway. And if it is, it's for the best. And if it's not, I still don't care."

[@StandUp777]

Wow! Perfectly said!

[@bathshebab2318]

You are so right there. I have a good friend who has become '17th letter of the Alphabetted!' He thinks Drumpf is the 'chosen one.' The really weird thing, is that we are not American and have never been there, we are Brits living in Europe. I keep communication open with him because I did have success when got sucked into becoming a holocaust denier, claiming that Hitler loved Jews because he built them a swimming pool at Auschwitz!! Some time later he told me that he had done some more 'research' and he believed I had a point, that maybe Hitler wasn't so friendly after all! It is worth persevering, if they are truly your friends but as you rightly point out, it is hard to make progress with such rigid mindsets. Keep well.

[@TheTee5231976]

That's literally what my mom has said to me. I can't get through to her. She even told me to 'think about my kids' and I'll be destroying their lives if I don't follow trump'. I can't even talk to her anymore.

[@JenkinsBoatWorks]

Sounds like responses I got for 8 years previously

[@staceyluba3026]

Yep!! Every one of them

[@ivocanevo]

It's not about convincing anyone. That's uphill effort. It's about GOING TO VOTE. So vote. No exceptions.

[@samiaalam3939]

Please vote in person.

[@AtomFA]

maybe show up to poor biden's rallys? hes getting all bummed out and putting a lid on them cause of you no shows, admit it.. you just hate trump so much you are settling for weekend at bernies and a skin suit piloted by goblins

[@chris77jay77]

This is a dumb sentiment, honestly, and the reason we are in the situation we are in. A bunch of uneducated, uninformed people voted for the populist candidate because they were persuaded by rhetoric rather than facts. Don’t encourage everyone to vote, encourage everyone to look at the facts. If those facts then persuade them to vote, then we will be far better off.

[@vicferrari89]

Love the Lincoln Project! Thank you Lincoln Project, for all you did to get Trump out! Loved all your videos, love Steve Schmidt ( a life long republican strategist and founder of The Lincoln project) every time on "Morning Joe" rip into Trump pulling no punches, telling it like it is. Steve Schmidt and all the Lincoln Project personnel, you are true American patriots!

[@janetcrisis1704]

Patriots has become a thing. As his entire family still emails you as dear Patriot. Nope. I try to get rid of them i unsub i state bk. You are Not president. I will never give you $! He threatens. All day. Now his base sends death threats to candidates and ppl in office.

[@deadave100]

“When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent.” -- Isaac Asimov

[@paulinelarson465]

"Harrison Bergeron"

[@jonaseggen2230]

"Always has been" -Internet meme

[@AndrewAMartin]

@@jonaseggen2230 There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.' -- Isaac Asimov

[@jonaseggen2230]

@@AndrewAMartin Yes I know that quote. It's probably stronger in the US but we also got much of it in Europe to. And btw although it today is mostly associated with the further right I remember from the 80's-90's that we had much of this on the far right to. All the best to you and yours, take care.

[@EWood-kx6xl]

I LOVE Asimov, Still my favorite writer! Also I really Dig that quote its very on point in politics today!

[@ToddCarnes]

If they're still supporting Trump at this stage, they're no friend of mine.

[@the.purplepeoplesowl]

Facts!

[@keith2092]

@Faye D people I was in the service with 50 years ago--gone.

[@nancystowell4877]

@@keith2092 3 of my friends in the last 4 months, gone too soon!😥

[@taelonar5973]

100% Trump supporters are either stupid or immoral.

[@keith2092]

@Faye D I'm sorry and thanks for telling me, Nancy. I feel less alone. One word did it for me on one occasion: Hung up on him saying "Hillary" at the start of a sentence -- she is not the president, no longer running for president, irrelevant and I'd had enough.

[@timothybaker4091]

The president of law and order who subverts and avoids any law which doesn't benefit him personally.

[@steevrawjers]

hey why you gotta diss the trump prophecy

[@janetcrisis1704]

@@steevrawjers prophecy? Like hiding in a bunker in fear of protesters. He came out blasting gas rubberbullets took out a vets eye. Then sold that bible he held up at a church hes not welcome bcause hes an atheist..for 37000 on ebay.

[@steevrawjers]

@@janetcrisis1704 classic

[@steevrawjers]

@@janetcrisis1704 oh you haven't heard that christian joke yet the T#rump prophecy

[@johndaugherty7465]

Yet simply by stating facts I have been accused of attacking them...

[@haydensearle9008]

And years later now, I still find that people have doubled or even tripled down on their beliefs and will say I'M the one being ignorant for stating facts rather than buying into their illogical opinions.

[@tbecker97204]

Yeah, John, I think the MAGA crowd is *ALLERGIC* to facts.

[@rogerw3818]

The hardest thing to accept is that you could be so easily taken in. "If you can't spot the sucker at the table, the sucker is you".

[@poohbearsauntie]

Lincoln Project ~ Thank YOU For ALL YOU DO.. FOR ALL YOU ARE!! 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@pookiehoney]

They were die hard Republicans using their talents to help many evil men gain power. Now they're trying to make up for the fact that they took money from and helped criminals take over our country. It's their JOB to fix the damage they committed.

[@michaelbaughman4017]

I am not of the G O P, BUT I hope you guys can take back your party, the party of Lincoln, that has been Highjacked .😷☮️

[@carinacampobasso655]

Yes, thank you Lincoln Project! I am a lefty-progressive-diehard Democrat and I am so glad to have the LP on our team, at least for now. True patriots!

[@poohbearsauntie]

That IS True, @@pookiehoney. I Agree With You There. But They Are Doing SO Much GOOD, NOW That I Am MORE Than Willing To Forgive Them. They Are Aiding US To DEFEAT The ENEMY Of This Country.. Of The World!!

[@poohbearsauntie]

@Brigid ~ Please Read The Comment Of Michael’s (Right Above Your’s). That Comment Will Hopefully Clearly EXPLAIN Another Point Of View Than Your’s.

[@GreyHazRoot]

They're an embarrassment...I'd rather not talk to them.

[@hartcoronet9968]

Yeah, it's more like "Holy Cow, how can you believe all of the tripe that Trump is feeding you?"

[@donwyates]

Indeed, you are 100% correct! Unfortunately, my granddaughter's parents are Trump supporters - 'cause dems want to take their guns away, and give the undocumented other people's money. My daughter finally told me to leave, so I'm now back to living (happily) on the road. Que sera sera.

[@ginajones2328]

It's hard to talk nicely to dumpster Donnie supporters.......I can't get near them I get hives !

[@carlbole2142]

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[@artnouveau4332]

Trying to reason with them gives me a migraine,They are just that fucking Stupid.!!

[@richardalexander5758]

I'm just too disappointed in MAGA "friends" to even talk to them.

[@steevrawjers]

i am not so much sad or disappointed as i am scared of them lol but serious

[@jon9536]

It's sad, but sometimes you have to distance yourself from the loonies, even if they happen to be your relatives,......your friends ........ your spouse.........

[@richardalexander5758]

@@jon9536 Yeah, I'm pretty much done with tRumpturds.

[@LonnyW212]

Agree; disappointment and personal exhaustion. Yet, I still hope for a better, more compassionate national epiphany.

[@waynecampeau4566]

Remember one of Rod Serlings greatest lines about fascism: "Logic is the enemy, and the truth is a menace."

[@kyleg8098]

Which leftists have none of

[@prometheus5700]

@@kyleg8098 LOL precisely

[@danielskomp9072]

Trumpster trash, don’t want TRUTH, FACTS or SANITY. They have FAUX and the LIES of HANNITY

[@jgroenveld1268]

I had a conversation with a man about how he hates socialized healthcare and didn't want the government to touch his medicare.

[@phbalance7583]

Oh boy...this is the hill that needs to be climbed. However, there is so much ridiculousness, ie your example, that it is almost insurmountable.

[@Prem-jd8li]

hahaha....I met someone that hates Obamacare but has a phone + phone-plan that was paid for by medicaid..

[@teresas8173]

@@Prem-jd8li yup, my cousin votes Trump, hates socialism, Dems, etc. blah, blah, blah. She calls me the other day so happy her mom, my aunt, got approved for Medicaid so can stay in her nursing care center. The irony. They just don’t see it or get it.

[@windowunixon7127]

Weird thing is, none of these policies are Socialist. They’re Social policies to create a public system within a capitalist system to coincide with a private market not abolish the private market. That’s why many of the most capitalist nations such as EU countries, UK, Australia, New Zealand, Norway, Japan & Singapore have these systems and are capitalist. But right wingers in the US believe “anything on the left of tax cuts & lack of government is Socialism”. Odd because many of these right wingers rely on these social policies lol.

[@teresas8173]

@@windowunixon7127 , often liberals are called communist as well...I’ve noticed an increase in the number of people on the right saying that as well. These provided safety nets within societies are seen as socialism ( socialism = evil) by many people up until the point where they themselves need them. And most disheartening is that even then they won’t acknowledge that they are benefitting from the very programs which they are so against they on top of it all loathe the left for supporting such programs. It’s such a paradox. It’s like red states voting GOP.... they use these “ socialist” programs the most yet contribute far less in taxes than what they use. The “ elitist” blue states provide the monies thru taxes we pay for these poorer states to to get along, yet we are the demonized left. I don’t mind my tax dollars helping those less fortunate...I just wish right wingers would see their hypocrisy and by doing so could recognize that its the liberals that have the best interest of the middle class and the struggling at heart. And also recognize that we in no way whatsoever want people to need these programs, just that we know the importance of having them in place WHEN NEEDED. Theres few of us who go through life without needing some help from others at some point. And if so, it’s nothing to be ashamed of. The right has quite successfully made the left the enemy to these people. The left needs to get the truth out to these mis- informed people/ voters and STOP letting the the GOP inaccurately define us. I think liberals need to be a lot more aggressive with their messaging and that why I’m so drawn to the very progressive liberals because they seem to be the few speaking up. It’s a formidable task to go up against head- strong and frankly brainwashed Trumpist Republicans.

[@immoveableone]

The old saying....It's hard to win an argument with an intelligent person, but it's impossible to win an argument with an ignorant person.

[@VivaToddVegas]

Stop trying to "win". There are a TON of people in this Comments section who completely missed the point of this video! ALL Trump voters are NOT lost! I flipped my parents this year. It CAN be done. They were in a Fox News bubble, so they were making decisions based upon bad information. I helped them see the truth, and they're voting Democrat this time. It can be done, but it's not as easy as just making some flippant comments online. A lot of decent people are making voting decisions based on really bad information served up to them by Fox News.

[@utubefreshie]

@@VivaToddVegas Hey, good for you. Congrats! And I mean that with the utmost sincerity. Being able to reason with one's parents so they can make a better choice is a feat. Not sure I can do the same with my uncle though. I feel that if the reason they align with Trump is because they identify with the prejudice and bigotry, how does one reason with that? Then add to that an obnoxious arrogance...that's my uncle. So I don't bother discussing or reasoning with him. I'm just waiting for Trump to lose the election and end up charged at the NY courts and be utterly humiliated. Only when my uncle sees that fall from grace happen to his idol could it possibly change his mind about Trump. And even then, only maybe.

[@belovedwoman3398]

@@VivaToddVegas congrats on you being that persistent and ending up with your family intact. I agree that FoxNews is breaking our system while telling the courts "no reasonable person would ever take them seriously" (an actual arguement in Tucker Carlsons most recent defamation lawsuit). Please keep explaining that the owner/creator of FoxNews publically stated that it's "an entertainment channel that has an occasional news story" it's just opinions and therefore does not ever have to be honest or truthful, that's the real fact about them. Below is an excellent answer I found to define actual news and hopefully it helps others avoid getting sucked into any propaganda networks/media. "Fox News is not real news. It never has been. That was not their mission, at the time of their creation. It is not their mission, now. It is a propaganda tool, existing in the form of “entertainment.” (By the way, CNN is also not real news, and MSNBC is not real news.) Fox News, despite its name, is pure propaganda. Like all propaganda, its purpose is to manipulate thought. The purpose is not to report news. Real journalism does exist. Learn to recognize what it is, and what it isn’t. Then, stick to real journalism. I wrote this awhile back, to try to help those who were never taught basic journalism. Even with corporate ownership and profit motives, legit journalism still exists. (Despite that lie that Trump keeps telling). Yes, you do have to look harder and work harder to find it. But, it is still there, all around you. You probably remember these, from school? A while back? From the Society of Professional Journalists, and the resources that agree to always abide them, whenever they actually are reporting on any event, or occurrence: Real journalism is not biased, and it cannot be, by definition. Never confuse “the Media” with journalism. REAL JOURNALISM will always have: Two sources. Both sources must be independent, and both must be separately verifiable. Real journalism will always begin with the WWWWW (Who What Where….) No bias. No opinion. It must be objective, and written in the objective voice. 100% accuracy for each and every sentence. Fact-based. Include complete context, and where necessary, explain the complete context. No misrepresentations, no misinformation or disinformation. Provide balance. On any issue, or dispute, or potential disagreement, include both sides, in a fair and balanced presentation. Provide complete context, always. If the context requires explanation, provide it. In any dispute, contact both parties, and give the opportunity to respond. Always include those responses, and if no response, include that fact. Finally, in the event of any errors or omissions, publish and promote a prominent retraction. NO EMOTIONS ALLOWED. In the electronic age, one must typically visit a website, and so many intermix their “op-ed” and “editorials” right in with the legit journalism. But, you can usually spot the difference from the headline, as long as you keep the rules of ethical journalism in mind. If not, you will usually spot the difference within the first sentence. So, if you begin to read any article, or listen to any “news report” - and you notice there are not two sources cited, and named, or if you notice no mention that an opposing viewpoint was asked to respond, or if you notice any emotional language, or “outrageous!” language, or any bias, or you notice a lack of balance, even a tiny one - BACK OUT OF IT. Shut it down. You are being lied to. Avoid Fox. Always. Avoid CNN. Always. Avoid MSNBC. Always. (They almost never have any journalism, except by pure accident, and they never have. They do not subscribe to the code of the SPJ, that was never their mission.) All three have to fill a 24 hour / 7 day news cycle, and they do not even bother to hire journalists, typically -- and in the rare cases where they do, they hold them to no ethical standards of journalism. No rules, at any of those three. And DEFINITELY avoid the hundreds of fake news sites and partisan sites that have sprung up that you have never even heard of. And, yes, avoid Breitbart, avoid Huffington Post, and Infowars, MotherJones, altNews, AlterNet, DeadSpin, Gateway Pundit, TruthOut, Instapundit, The Raw Story, Talking Points Memo, Free Republic, avoid The Drudge Report, and avoid Slate, etc. They are all actually just bullshit, with an agenda - and will leave out context, and facts, to sway you. Expect simple, unvarnished truth. All of the truth. “Just the facts, ma’am.” Insist on it. Avoid Hannity, avoid Rush, avoid anything that is so openly just lies and bullshit. You do not need someone to tell you what your opinion “ought to be.” Read objective sources, and then you can make your own mind. Stick to the same long-standing news sources that have existed for 50 and 100 years. But, only for the NEWS. Avoid their editorials, their op-ed pieces, their analyses, their opinions - Avoid all of their opinion stuff. The “owners” of real legit journalism sources may be corrupt, but the news department is run by an editor - and he or she will never allow the owners to interfere. The editor will demand 100% ethical journalism on every article. When a journalist strays, he or she is disciplined, or fired. AND - you will see the public retraction. If the sources you are visiting or viewing or reading to do NOT practice that - avoid them. You are being manipulated. NOTICE when someone is fired, for breaching ethics. Notice when NBC disciplines and demotes an anchor for violating the code (Brian Williams). That is a good thing. They practice ethical journalism. Notice when ABC News fires Linsey Davis for putting up her own fake crime scene tape, to make a news report appear even more “dramatic.” That is a good thing. They are following the ethical rules, and she violated them. Take note. Note when the New York Times fired Jayson Blair because he misled readers and Times colleagues with dispatches that purported to be from Maryland, Texas and other states, when often he was far away, in New York. Take note. That tells you that they ARE following the rules, and he screwed up. That is a good thing. BUT - when you visit the websites of the New York Times, or any of the above, stay away from the op-ed nonsense, the editorials, the analysis, the opinion pages. You do not need that. THOSE articles are often not even written by journalists, but by the corporate ownership, and they are often trying to manipulate your thought, or your vote, or your action… You do not NEED someone to tell you how you should think, or feel, about any event. THAT is propaganda. That is manipulation. You ONLY need the facts of the event, with 100% complete context. You are an adult. You can make up your own mind." - Bruce Spielbauer

[@marcusjohnson6412]

@@VivaToddVegas that’s the thing. To get these people to believe anything but Fox News is impossible.

[@marel6279]

I need this for my conservative (though not necessarily tRumpian) relatives that have been damaged from watching FOX for years.

[@ofdrumsandchords]

You can't beat Fnoxious.

[@OregonDARRYL]

Here's what you say to Trump supporters. "Trump LIED to you... I know you don't want to believe you were conned. None of us do. But, you'll get over it."

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

Trump can do no wrong is the way they see it. They think of him like a god or god sent. Typical brainwashed cult. His lying is the least thing they are concerned about even if they are aware of the lies.

[@OregonDARRYL]

@@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306 His lying gets us angry, and his base loves that. So, I think they love his lying. Many of them have problems with the truth too. But, whatever get us mad, is what they yearn for. We are dealing with children.

[@ofdrumsandchords]

Does it work ? Will they actually get over it ? They need their hate for democrats to exist.

[@mainely8007]

With all the crazy, violent and angry sh*t they've been threatening, I'm not talking to any of them without a tranquilizer gun.

[@Joekuh]

Shoot first second and maybe ask questions 5th.

[@i_am_a_freespirit]

😂🤣😂😭❗🙏😷

[@mainely8007]

@@Joekuh I live in a ruby red area so I actually drug out my body armor from my previous career; while it fit I do *not* remember it being so heavy. I'm sleeping in the basement election night with my cats.

[@notme2day]

@@mainely8007 election night might be the safest night .. I'd worry more about the night after 😉

[@mainely8007]

@@notme2day I figure it will take at least that long to count the votes, you're right. The tension and stress are going to be enormous because we know Trump and his crooked pals will try every dirty trick in the book.

[@Opus313]

Vote Blue 🌊 Biden/Harris 2020

[@evelynomaltzy4712]

I hate all of you not loyal enough to our president. Even if our beautiful Trump takes our guns and pushes a few abortions with his mistresses, we must remain loyal because it is all God's plan to own the libs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3Kkpqyofbp6bJY #Godsplan

[@veganleigh4817]

And Vote Blue!!! Biden/Harris 2024!!!

[@lioneltrevino5767]

What we have here is " A failure to communicate " " Some men you just can't reach ".

[@Disgruntled_Fork]

I've tried that approach, however, there is one person I went to school with that acts as though anything that doesn't exactly align with her is a personal attack on her.

[@annettehunter9743]

So true. They are immersed in a persecution complex. Everyone is out to get them except trump&co who is out to save them. Who would be bothered trying to reason with that?

[@danielskomp9072]

And her name is KAREN

[@Leonaza7]

My first rule for choosing a candidate is that they must not paint themselves orange.

[@funnyt-shirts7977]

Vote blue! Donald: You're fired 2020 t-shirt: teespring.com/byed20

[@downward1765]

Lmao

[@garfield685]

Lol. Agreed

[@NovikNikolovic]

Yes, blackface gets considered bad because it upsets black people, rightfully so, but NO ONE speaks up about orangeface, and how offensive it is to oranges, and intelligent Americans

[@i_am_a_freespirit]

🤣😂🤣❗🙏😷

[@Leonaza7]

This nightmare has to end before every shred of our national reputation and humanity is gone.

[@jennyh4025]

From a European: do everything in your power to end this nightmare. We’re still caught somewhere between disbelief and laughter (since the alternative would be crying). But right now this so called POTUS is a danger to the democratic principles all over the world. He shows wannabe despots how to get to power and how to make people believe you’re the only trustworthy person in a lying and selfish political system, while being the selfish liar himself. Let’s not forget the work the next government will have to invest to re-establish relationships with (former) partners.

[@marymorgan8282]

@Private Citizen give that up - it's fake news.

[@mainely8007]

@@marymorgan8282 He has Trump's childish understanding of reality; thinks that saying it makes it true.

[@warren3231]

He is exposing how both sides are corrupt

[@evelynomaltzy4712]

I hate all of you not loyal enough to our president. Even if our beautiful Trump takes our guns and pushes a few abortions with his mistresses, we must remain loyal because it is all God's plan to own the libs. kzbin.info/www/bejne/n3Kkpqyofbp6bJY #Godsplan

[@justalurkr]

Too late. I've already unfriended everyone who expressed disappointment that the insurrection didn't work.

[@kyleg8098]

It wasn’t an insurrection. It was criminal act done by criminals who weren’t ordered.

[@MrJgracias]

Niether did the impeachment

[@kyleg8098]

@@MrJgracias again

[@MrJgracias]

@@kyleg8098 because it is unconstitutional

[@vaman5591]

@@MrJgracias And totally uncalled for... Stupid dems...

[@Shogun1982]

"MAGA Friends" is an oxymoron.

[@Crazycatlady71]

Like Happily Married!

[@wayneparr7571]

“Most people are not just comfortable with their ignorance, but hostile to anyone who points it out.” - Plato

[@chazzdposh]

The irony is that The Lincoln Project and all its grifters are the ones who are ignorant.

[@anthonymaddox6515]

Then why are you so hostile to people who have a different opinion to yours?

[@chazzdposh]

@@anthonymaddox6515 Because the Lincoln Project dont have any opinions, they are just anti-trump, and that's it. To be fair they did achieve their goal, but it turned out their ads didn't actually change anyone's' votes, so in the end, it was rejected GOP analysts making money off of gullible democrats.

[@billgreen576]

@@chazzdposh Well you say that but Trump lost. And even 10,000 votes shifted per State makes a difference when the EC votes. I personally know 3 people who voted Trump in 2016 and voted Biden this time.

[@godforgiveusourdemocrats7676]

The most ignorant people in the USA are Democrats that call themselves "Progressives" as they become the definition of hostile when shown how evil they are.

[@calametrocity]

Tough job to convince someone to dump Trump when they're just like him.

[@bethleblanc656]

Good point.

[@andrewng5211]

Cause they are cult follower we need a deprogrammer

[@divadayton1]

Which is my brother. He has drunk the Kool-Aid and bullies us to no end.

[@wabisabi3343]

If someone is just like Trump, appeal to their self interest. It works on Donald Trump. He has made some (very few) progressive decisions as president after someone convinced him it would benefit him personally.

[@blueyedboymrdeath]

@@divadayton1 Yes, because deep down, the trump cultists are bullies, which is to say they enjoy their privilege and power, whether that power is to oppress women, be privileged over non-white people, be a rich SOB with tax loopholes, or (re the evangelical fringe) have the power to invade our bedrooms and doctors' offices.

[@47f0]

Cult deconversion has a very, very low rate of success. So I've settled on derision and mockery - it's about equally ineffective, but more amusing.

[@GreaterAntilles-wn2ts]

I would suggest all you people with Trump derangement syndrome hire a team of therapists! 🤣🤣🤣

[@47f0]

@@GreaterAntilles-wn2ts - Interesting notion. Interesting, as in the therapist best acquainted with future inmate Trump seems to think he's... what's the medical term... Oh yeah - Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.

[@jeanmartin6410]

I like derision and mockery.

[@danielskomp9072]

My personal choice as well!

[@charleshallam3216]

Lay landmines to fight nuclear? Its like having a fight with circus performers...always go for the juggler!

[@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394]

You talk to them like a 3 year old who just walked into the room with a hand grenade.

[@alarkalbass6726]

"You can lead a man to knowledge but you cannot make him think"

[@HurtTurtlesTreehouse]

Or as Dorothy Parker said: "You can lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think."

[@jrileycain6220]

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled." Mark Twain

[@richardvenegas74]

Very true.

[@peterweller8583]

Because they have to admit they were fooled and suffer you calling them a fool on top of that.

[@dudeladude456]

Sadly that true.

[@live2groove]

Yeah, the problem is that they'll just think that applies to you. Everyone thinks the other person drank the koolaid..

[@peterweller8583]

@@live2groove I am pretty sure that unless they are the dullest tool in the shed that is only listening to one source for information such as FOX or OAN they know what is what they just be like Satan rules!

[@kagang8959]

Me: 'Lets start with something we agree on...like the world is round right ?' ...... Me: 'ok. lets start again........'

[@bb_binx]

LOL, it was about that speed in my experience. Jesus Christ God help Us! WoW!

[@jonaseggen2230]

Did you watch Interstellar? When they thought children in the school that the moon landing was fake I thought, Oh God this is the near future.

[@ninaspage]

loooooool

[@menow7851]

Wait...there is hope. Trump people are hearing Joe Biden speak and its changing their minds 180°. Some were convinced Biden was a plant expected to die in 4 months so a woman can get the White House. Some thought he was a feeble man who "couldn't complete a thought". "Hiding in his basement". Now they see they were lied to. They like his ideas and the people he's choosing to help us all. Its amazing to hear a Trump head..."I realize I have been lied to by Trump" & "I like Joe Biden now". I hope that is contagious. I am stunned so many MAGA do not know Joe Biden was the Vice President when they hated Obama so much.. .The dumbing down of America. We can't fix stupid, but the hats make them easier to find.😷

[@tjampman]

@@menow7851 "I am stunned so many MAGA do not know Joe Biden was the Vice President when they hated Obama so much.. .The dumbing down of America. We can't fix stupid, but the hats make them easier to find" Great quote I am gonna find a way to paraphrase that :)

[@stormthrush37]

This sounds like a great idea and it can work with some people, sometimes, but it has serious demonstrable limits. It doesn't, for example, seem to work well, quickly, or maybe even at all with people who unconditionally and unquestioningly continue to support Trump no matter what crazy things he says or does, for example in even in the midst of his current coup attempt, who care more about their feelings than the facts and who care more about winning at any cost than the truth even if it costs them.

[@cuckoophendula8211]

One of the hardest parts of this is trying to maintain a civil tone and calm demeanor. It's one of those things where we'd have to work on ourselves before we work on other people

[@Quote-Unquote.]

*(I live in a historically red state)* I wore my Biden/Harris mask for the first time today at Walmart. I got a lot of stares, and I also got a lot of wide eyed looks from people who were not wearing masks and who quickly averted their gaze. I'm pretty sure, due to the constant barrage of social media negativity and divisiveness, these non-maskers were expecting hostility. So, I "smiled with my eyes" whenever someone looked in the direction of my face. --------- We need to heal. We need to come together. We DO need to talk.

[@Quote-Unquote.]

@Philips Magnavox "don't do this" Wear my Biden/Harris mask? Or smile with my eyes? Yes, right to carry state. I've seen hand guns on non-maskers in the store. You're freaking me out guy

[@loisk6186]

Vic McQueen, ignore the other replies, whose purpose is to scare you into not publicly showing your support for Biden. This is just more election interference. Keep wearing that mask, and stay proud!

[@Quote-Unquote.]

@@loisk6186 Thanks Lois, 🇺🇸💙, I shall 5 more days !

[@patriciahayes7315]

"How to Talk to Your MAGA Friends and Family". Simple, don't talk to them at all.

[@fifermcgee5971]

Touche.

[@Mevalever666]

Hahahahaha I agree 100%

[@AdamWestish]

Yeah, I don't either. They're so full of sh¡t, any kind of conversation devolves quickly.

[@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306]

Correct. We no longer talk politics in my family anymore if a Trumpie is in the room.

[@Mevalever666]

@@AdamWestish he really built indestructible horrible wall between familys Friends and neibors

[@penguinista]

If someone can not admit they have been wrong, then you can't help them. But letting them equivocate and make up 'facts' that make them feel like they are right is not helping them either.

[@nealdkatz]

You can be pro Trump or pro America. You can’t be both.

[@androol]

Pro Trump. America doesn’t stand a chance against the big orange.

[@chilidog1]

Fact!!!

[@Shaker1000]

@@evelynomaltzy4712 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaa

[@Kingfisher1215]

Neal Katz it's quite easy actually. You dupes are just playing into TLP hands.

[@lobo7361]

I take my oath to support and defend The Constitution very seriously. Federalism. Limited government. The Bill of Rights - as written and intended, not per popular interpretation. I will vote accordingly.

[@alansnipes3101]

I'm sorry. You cannot have an intelligent conversation with people who do not believe in facts, logic or reason.

[@Thoracius]

That's the point. These are convictions founded in values and emotions. You can still bring contradictions forward.

#walkaway, seriously....

[@rjeefamily926]

@@Thoracius you put it perfectly. As much as we would like to believe we are logical coherent beings, no one is, not even you or I, and as such we need to approach these conversations with humility and sensitivity.

[@lisamiller3161]

@@evelynomaltzy4712 God's plan to own the Libs? Are you serious?? Did He tell you this himself? I talk to God daily and He shows me in REALITY how dangerous this man is. For example his superspreader rallies. Not to mention a moral degenerate. But you keep on believing that. Some day the truth about DJT WILL come out and he'll end up in jail where he belongs.

[@stephencullum8255]

@@lisamiller3161 That was satire.

[@txmoney]

Deprogramming takes a lot of time and patience...neither of which I care to waste. Easier to avoid and/or mock and shame Trumpists into submission.

[@lancelessard2491]

"It's all about people's values. You have to find the values that they have and the way that Trump contradicts that value." However, when their values are bereft of anything wholesome, good, fair, or just, there is nothing further to discuss. I think that's why racists and bigots find such a happy home in the Republican party.

[@steevrawjers]

lol true so many #christianjokes

[@moniqueloomis9772]

True.

[@johnnicol64]

Also the Southern Church crazies

[@kerplunk9434]

Yeah I tried this and it was like trying to reason with a bag of dirt

[@einmalnachgedacht6596]

"not seeing the bar in your own eye".....I leave it at that!

[@Boudica234]

Don't get discouraged. Always keep your cool, be respectful and state the most important facts that support your opinion. Don't tell people how they should think, feel or vote. Calmly explain why u feel a certain way.

[@Boudica234]

@Robert Townrow Yes. I agree 100% with that sentiment. Intelligent respectful dialogue is the way to go. This country would be a lot better off if both sides of the fence could drop the visceral hatred and just have a conversation. Actually listen to one another and try to figure out why the other person feels a certain way. Both right and left in this country have largely engaged in name calling and an exchange of insults for a long time. No one that I know of has ever changed their mind in politics because someone out shouted them or came up with better insults-and yet u see that mindset repeated constantly. As u mentioned, I've had conversations with friends of mine who are Trump supporters, and they often comment how "reasonable" I am even if they don't agree with my views. I think the key is to start from a place where I am not trying to "convince" anybody of anything. I just stay calm, actually listen to what they have to say, and either find some common ground or explain politely an alternative view. And u know what? Even if their opinions are really heated, they tend to calm down, actually listen to what I have to say, and show me respect even if they don't agree. To me that's a victory. Real dialogue is a victory.

[@willowlaurel1]

Personally I can't stomach these folks. I don't allow them in my space

[@Talon771]

How to talk to your MAGA friends and family: Don't. They are lost and refuse to be found.

[@ylcundiff55]

So true.

[@siobhanshavonne7733]

True.

[@anjaoldnettle2841]

You must talk with them. In Germany we have already Qnon. I was angry when I read what they say. When you start to argue you will be called names. When you stay friendly and intend they are humans, could have been in your school class you can talk to them. Because you are right they always understood in the end. Talk with them. Listen to them. They have grown up under other circumstances, look other mediums. They are going to his rallies and trust him. You must help them in the name of god.

[@DresdenShuffle]

Anja Oldnettle You can't help them if they don't want to be helped. Nice sentiment but the world doesn't work like that. Some people can't be saved.

[@Talon771]

@@anjaoldnettle2841 "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." If they are your friends, drop them. If they are your family, disown them. They are hopeless, and they just want to 'own the libs'. Its a game to them.

[@merrywalsh2809]

It’s true. Have a conversational tone. Ask questions. Don’t interrupt. Frame your responses carefully. “I came to a different conclusion. After they brought 64 court cases that were dismissed for lack of evidence, and then the state electors certified the votes as accurate, I decided there must not be enough fraudulent votes to turn over the election, but I wondered why Trump kept saying there WERE millions of fraudulent votes. If there were, why didn’t he present them in court, I wondered. I thought he just wanted to stay in power.”

[@janetcrisis1704]

Scotus said no. Barr said no you lost

[@jimgolab536]

Major Truth here - “It’s more like a hostage negotiation...”.

[@menzo00]

I like presidents that are not reality show drama queens.

[@tommyk6719]

@KZbin Moderator Again with the ridiculous beliefs and conspiracy theories. You’re gullible, stupid and ignorant, that’s why you’re considered to be a deplorable.

[@fredjones9853]

@KZbin Moderator That all you got??

[@pktdbgnzwl]

I like presidents that don't kill their own people by the hundreds of thousands and crater the economy for the working class. I like presidents that are not corrupt criminals. I like presidents who don't lead a crime family Network.

[@tld7846]

I like presidents who wear clothes (and not emperor-wannabes who don't wear clothes).

[@willparrish8474]

@KZbin Moderator you serious? Trump paid 188,000 dollars in taxes in China, and he even kept a secret Chinese bank account, you’re an idiot in its final form

[@neilfox4626]

Here’s a tip. A common phrase I hear is “he’s done a lot of good things“. Don’t go nuts and ask them what good he could’ve possibly done at any time during the ... Don’t do that. Simply ask them which was their favorite. They say he’s done a lot of good things. Ask them which one they like best. They may not be able to come up with anything. That’s a start.

[@johnpablochavez8803]

Um. Unemployment has been in a all time low. 57% of Americans says that they have been better financially since Trump got Elected. He has increase our Defense Program greatly since he was elected. He stood with the people of Hong Kong and warned the corrupt Chinese government to back off. He withdrew from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty is because of that China and North Korea have had a strategic setback. His tariffs greatly stopped illegal immigration.

[@johnpablochavez8803]

Sooo your point? 🤦🏽‍♂️😂👎🏽

[@neilfox4626]

Just like a Republican, you didn’t answer my question.

[@corinaking2052]

I agree... in interviews with trump supporters they say everything was better when he was president when asked "like what?" They just say "Just EVERYTHING". when asked about Biden they say everything is bad. Again, " like what?" " just EVERYTHING!". There is nothing meaningful in their response.

[@alexanders562]

It is neurological: these conservative are minds that do not change. they value loyalty, and unchanging because their brains work from an anxiety fear based decision making, and change is uncomfortable. Progressive minded people tend to use the parts of their brain that takes in new info and can re adjust their position. They do not feel a loyalty to previous positions because their brains do not work from that anxiety to change.

[@LB-tw7gg]

Trumpers are absolutely not conservatives. Nothing conservative about any of them.

[@carolannea7861]

Thank you so much for this. The experience of arguing with family Maga members was traumatizing.

[@steveb1325]

You can't convince the brainwashed. They are literally trap in a cult.

[@allenapplewhite]

"It is much easier to fool someone than to convince them that they HAVE been fooled." -Mark Twain.

[@JayTheNegotiator]

I walked myself slap out of that cult by talking to myself, and I’m talking I was QAnon deep....there’s hope. Trust me

[@Roks559]

The video just said "Don't attack". You're posting insults and get a lot of upvotes.

[@acemaster3339]

@@Roks559 That's why I worry

[@productrecall5183]

@@Roks559 whos posting insults? Saying they are brainwashed is an insult? No. Thats just a fact.

[@bikebudha01]

Sorry, you can't have a conversation with anyone who's "intentionally ignorant". They want to be uninformed sheep.

[@aaronwinegar9724]

Well, not with that attitude, certainly. But you can talk to the non-trolls; it takes a lot of active listening, though. For instance, with the wall, you have to ask them about their belief in the wall, and ask follow-up questions, drill down to the core values behind their belief in the wall rather than the wall itself, and then discuss those values.

[@bethleblanc656]

Totally agreed!

[@nancystowell4877]

"He who knows not and knows that he knows not and does not care, is a FOOL; shun him."

[@aaronwinegar9724]

@Cliven Longsight I live in Trump Country, and you can indeed talk with them. (There's probably even a few examples in my social media.) But to do it, you have to first divorce yourself from the idea of "winning" the conversation. And second you have to divorce yourself from the idea of reasoning them to different choices than the ones they have made. And only once you have done that should you begin the conversation. Because your goal in this scenario is not to debate them, it is to ask them questions about their beliefs and choices until you drill down to their core beliefs. Once you have done that, you can have a conversation about those values and how Trump doesn't offer any support of those values. Notably, you still won't win that conversation. But you will have sparked an opportunity for them to later reflect and reassess their view.

[@Itseasierthanwemakeit]

Guarantee they’ll call you a moron, a sheeple, get loud, say Hillary. Meaning fokkks news have them speaking trump. I haven’t cracked the code but haven’t given up either

[@ObamAmerican48]

If a casual conversation with friends & family has to take the form of a hostage negotiation, that conversation is DOA & not worth having.

[@Admiralty86]

Step 1: rub it in their face Step 2: remind them of their bad decisions and how their incurable stupidity led them there. Step 3: rub it in again and tell them this is just the beginning.

[@prometheus5700]

GREAT IDEA LET'S GIVE THIS A WHIRL Step 1: Buying into the Lincoln Project was rather stupid wasn't it, "Admiralty86"? Step 2: You just put money straight into the pockets of people who preyed on your stupidity Step 3: You know that they were just funneling cash into their own pockets, don't you? And that they are sexual predators? ARE YOU STUPID? Were you BORN stupid?

[@janinem5196]

Most gratifying comment section anywhere. I come here to be among the sane people, and for hope, and I always find it. #ThankYouTLP

[@the.purplepeoplesowl]

Ditto... 💜💜💜

[@lightitrun5209]

I come here because I enjoy circle jerks.

[@mtgradwell]

You call this sane? Really?? So many people saying stuff along the lines of "How to talk to your MAGA friends and family: Don’t." If you would dissociate from and disown people who have cared deeply for you for your entire life because you think *they* have a problem, the problem is probably even closer to home than you think. Me, I've never seen anything more demented than this comment section, and I say that as someone who once had the misfortune to glance at the comments on an MSNBC video.

[@Junipurrs_]

@@mtgradwell I think they meant sane because the comment section is full of Biden-supporters who listen to logic. I’m really happy about it too! I haven’t seen any Trump supporters on this video yet. Gotta dig deep for that I guess.

[@mtgradwell]

@@Junipurrs_ "full of Biden-supporters who listen to logic"? Well, I will admit that the video does contain some logic, albeit in support of an illogical conclusion. And the comments section is undoubtedly full of Biden-supporters. But do they listen to the logic? Really? The video says "talk to friends and family, even if they are MAGA". And I approve of that. I never thought I would ever say that, but I actually approve of something in a Lincoln Project video. Scroll down and you will see thousands of comments that vehemently disagree. I can't say they're unanimous because I haven't read every message, but they're certainly almost unanimous, at least. It's as if Don Lemon has cloned himself a thousand times, and all the clones are busy conversing in the comments section. You could say that the commenters had to listen in order to disagree, but I think most of them are responding to the title of the video. Very few of them show any sign of having gone beyond that title.

[@timthehippy9478]

Growing up in the uk I had a serious case of hero worship towards America, home to both natural wonders (Yellowstone) and man made (Hollywood) that fascinated me from an early age. Television was a window into another world that was evolving rapidly. When I was old enough to know what one was I wanted to be an astronaut and live in a future like star trek with equality and justice, scientific wonders would make war obsolete, there would be compassion, humanity, no greed or hunger and where technology made the world a better safer more leisurely and relaxed world. We were told that computers and automation would free us from menial labour and the jobs lost would be paid for from the taxes from companies that were now more profitable. It seemed like the world might be headed towards creating a better future. It is so sad to watch ruthless Capitalism with no social responsibility run riot in modern America which has allowed for America to become victim to a corrupt Government that is attempting to burn the worlds leading superpower down to the ground during the worst time in living memory, all for the sake of financial gain and personal power for a few elitist dinosaurs. When russia hacked emails to interfere with the 2016 elections the focus was on emails damaging to the Democratic candidate, the hack also targeted the republican emails, in keeping with russia’s continuing efforts to collect compromising material on as many people in foreign positions of power as it can to be used when needed, I'm thinking that there had to be some pretty bad stuff in the emails or other media they may have collected, maybe from a wealthy abuser with their own private plane and island and that had secret recording equipment built into them? From what I can see it has allowed putins actions to receive such a tepid response from the republican party when they should be appalled at his actions. "I pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible with liberty and justice for all." created by Francis Bellamy, an American Christian Socialist minister. America had been trying to change into a more socialist nation from its founding and especially after the civil war but with progress came opposition in the form of what is now the republican party, (but who were the opposition to Lincoln’s party and were pro slavery but changed their name to the republican party and were responsible for the passing of the jim crow laws and racial segregation in the early twentieth century after the more democratic republican party changed their party name to something more inclusive and demonstrative of their progressive nature) who took every opportunity to try to impede any progress towards a fairer America for all people. I think that the republicans have been doing everything they can to strip the socialism out of America and that the efforts were ramped up more noticeably during and following the reagan era, where money was taken away from social projects and given to the private sector, our uk also had at the time a conservative leader who attacked social programmes set up in the wake of the second world war, like The National Health service, The Postal Service, The British Broadcasting Service and a few others. They would de-fund services and add layers of state appointed positions to take money away from front line services until the service could barely function then take the service over and "privatise" it and reverse the changes they had made to it so it could then make money for a select few once it was profitable again. We truly are two countries separated by a common language. Thank you for keeping the world informed. When lies are being spread by large corporate news agencies that control 90% of the media, and people believe them and continue to follow an orange idol (or orange idiot, trumpanzee, the orange emperor, herr agolf twittler, trumpty dumpty, Der GropenFeuhrer, Trumplethinskin, bunker baby, the Tangerine Twat, Toddler-in-Chief trouser trump, Mango Musolini. trumpski, trumpster fire, the Dotard in Chief, Cadet Bunker Boy “impeached Spanky PeePee Tapes" McBonespurs and his flying monkey, The Mad Mango, President mini-stroke, etc.) then egregious crimes and actions are taken with impunity. Trump is an abject and obvious failure; his business "successes" prior to office are filled with fraud, corruption, bankruptcy and failure. Born into luxury he conned his way into the White House using techniques and tactics learned from roy cohn and roger stone had used while doing dirty tricks to help nixon win and now, like a truculent child, trump intends to use anything to destroy your country to make you pay for not loving him and to try to keep himself one step away from being sent to prison when he loses the election and when his presidential immunity is lost, The recent bailout of big corporations and large businesses of over $6 trillion is quite a lot ($18,181.81 per person if it were to be given to every single citizen of America equally,) when the people that worked the hardest are getting the least back (no change there) then there is something wrong with the whole system and it needs to be fixed. I really hope that America can learn and change while staying safe and make a better fairer country and by extension the world. "trump claims that he is mentally fit enough to stand trial while committing crimes" should wind some trump trolls up but could be used as evidence later. trump has really shown poor leadership skills all through his term and has failed to deal with a pandemic that is ravaging America unchecked but has been almost stopped in its tracks in some countries with responsible and decisive leaders. But I think there is an almost equal health issue that could impact America, trumps mental state, there has not been a word about why he was forced to take the competency test that he has been bragging about passing, what frightened the trump camp so much that he had to be rushed to hospital and take an easy test? Stroke? Untreated syphilis? It made a simple ramp a major obstacle for trump. The trump troll farms are out in force trying to convince the world that the brain damaged trump is the good guy, that people who think fascists are bad and should be beaten, gassed and shot with impunity, that his stormtroopers come in peace to protect buildings and statues and maybe kill a couple of protesters every now and again on trumps orders (then trump goes on tv to lie about events that occurred because of his words and hate and that black is white, etc.) There seems to be a relatively easy answer to a lot of these problems, start reversing a lot of the laws that have given the lucky few with massive wealth massive tax breaks just for being wealthy, while saying that their money will trickle down to the poorer people. The problem with that is that the rich don't spend their money so that it goes back into society, they tend to keep it in banks or the stock market and use it to get more money. The way to get that money circulating again is by taxing companies and the super wealthy at higher rates for a start. In the 1960's the Beatles became multi millionaires while paying 60% tax, that tax money was then used to help society by being spent on schools, hospitals and infrastructure like roads and railways. If a wealthy person died the government would collect a death duty so that some of the wealth went back into the pot so that others had a chance to earn some of it for themselves. Money is an abstract concept designed to be used instead of the bartering system it was not invented to be hoarded, and like communism, capitalism is failing because of greed. Why do people want more money than they can spend in a lifetime? If the people that obsessively collect money collected cats in the same way they would be called crazy but because it is money they are obsessively collecting then that is fine and dandy. The world needs to change for the better and hopefully the craziness we are going through will be a catalyst for the change towards a fairer world for all, (PS I'm not really a socialist (I think, I could be wrong), I'm more of a progressive Trekkie with a bit of star wars), always looking for friends as we out-way the enemy. I hope America can survive trumps rule and come through this a better, fairer, stronger and more united Country than at any time since it "threw off the shackles of oppression" and declared itself a new, free nation. End trumps tyranny and stand up to the bully for the sake of justice. Glenn Kirschner has a few good videos dealing with this lawless president and explaining how to even the scales of justice, it gives me a bit of hope.kzbin.infovideos Get well soon America, Live long and prosper. Stay safe, stay brave, stay strong. Peace, Love and Unity from Cornwall, uk.

[@MaBelleone1]

I am still terrified that something horrible is going to happen between now and inauguration day...These people are still getting whipped up into a frenzy.

[@moodyhorizon]

Little did we know ... and we're not even at inauguration day yet... sending you love and best wishes.

[@tripwire4727]

Yea, I've had these conversations, and I've seen these "aha" moments. And then they just go watch a youtube video and it's back to square one. It's a cult.

[@Engineer10211]

If you haven't, read "The Cult of Trump." It makes it clear. Trump is a natural cult leader.

[@AlmaVasquezjr]

Flag those KZbin videos as terrorism. Supporting and recruiting terrorist.

[@janetcrisis1704]

@@Engineer10211 malignant narcs Do brainwash.the weakminded. A narc losing power? He will kill.n has.his supporters now using death threats Calling dem reps to make death threats and say they will kill thier family.

[@wlo6]

How could you have any conversation with someone who replies to anything that contradicts him by “Fake news”? They’re beyond repair

[@pullpulse123]

Generally I just hold the line. I say, no, it’s actually true, and your ignoring it doesn’t make it untrue. They have a hard time with that because they know somewhere that is what they are doing. Lying to themselves.

[@einmalnachgedacht6596]

There would be an easy fix for the fake news argument....here it comes...stop producing fake news! How about that? There is enough real stuff to report about. No need to give everything Trump does a negativ spinn!

[@normangabbard8816]

@@einmalnachgedacht6596 Unless everything Trump does is a negative spin.. Everytime he opens his mouth..

[@changingmyself]

By doing the same to them. Everything that they say I am now going to say FAKE NEWS...because more than likely it is, I mean they get their information from drunken Rudy Giuliani.

[@einmalnachgedacht6596]

​@@normangabbard8816 See that's kinda fake news! I don't care about trump but to pretend everything that trump does or says is bad, surfs only one purpose...to let everything else look better. Why do the Dems need this strategy? Because they are garbage themselves! That's sadly true! Because no side is honest and sees the other side as the deflector of truth you get all radicalized! In reality nothing is as bad as they make you believe it is! Calm down everyone and work together!

[@silverwoodchuck47]

This is one of those "In theory it works, but in only works in theory."

[@Shuizid]

It does work in practice - but it's a long and hard process. Talking with someone who is extremly emotional, irrational and propably brainwashed by propaganda for decades? The mere mental stress of staying calm in this situation is something I don't expect many to be able to do. I certainly have trouble with it and I'd consider myself an extremly calm person. And then you also need to take in their shit "arguments" and try to react to it on the spot, to the most outlandish and insane conspiracy shit and supposed facts you'll ever encounter... Which takes a lot of fast critical thinking and empathy to get to the bottom of it - and that's an extremly hard-to-learn skill. They used the perfect example: Just like hostage negotiators it can work, but you need a special set of skills.

[@silverwoodchuck47]

@@Shuizid I'll modify my statement: In theory it works, but in only works in theory for me because I don't have the patience to deal with irrational thought and the inability to stay focused. For example, if the claim is that Trump is a malignant narcissist, let's not let's get sidetracked by an supported claim that some Democrat is a child molester. One has nothing to do with the other.

[@macforme]

@silverwoodchuck47: I think it would help to have a PhD in Psychology, with massive training in dealing with illogical people, who have no desire to open their mind to possibility that they are totally WRONG.

[@silverwoodchuck47]

@@macforme Not having that credential and training might explain my frustration.

[@macforme]

@@silverwoodchuck47 My situation exactly...which is why I can't man the phones ....I settled for donating to McConnell's, Nunes', Collins', Graham's and Jordan's OPPONENTS! And also donated to Katie Porter 'and Lincoln Project 'cuz they are terrific.

[@honestmom1958]

This is so difficult to do in real life. I need to watch this again to help me talk with my racist friends when they can't see that what they are saying is racist. Hopefully we may remain friends, but it's so difficult. Especially when our country has been attacked.

[@diegosuarez1563]

REALLY? Have you ever tried to have a conversation with a delusional person.

[@WillCamx]

Every time I try to talk to a Dem.

[@anxietyatwheel8512]

I have found that engaging people on Trump conversations with facts only makes them angry. A family member told me, after giving facts, “Now I’m getting angry. I don’t want to talk about him. I’m voting for him no matter what!” Unbelievable! Yet, proof these people need their head examined!

[@paulabirchbillingsley8422]

exactly what the video said. Don't bring data to a values fight. always show how it contradicts one of their own values.

[@samanthadrennan]

Exactly. That's exactly what happened to me. My brother is an idiot and there's just no changing him. He's convinced Democrats want to destroy the country. Fear is a hell of a drug.

[@anxietyatwheel8512]

@@paulabirchbillingsley8422 , I showed her her contradiction. It didn’t change her mind. Crazy shit!

[@paulabirchbillingsley8422]

@@anxietyatwheel8512 step one is not attacking them. it does work if you follow the steps, just, as it said, not in that instant.

[@anxietyatwheel8512]

@@paulabirchbillingsley8422 , not in my family’s case.

[@dkpqzm]

You guys are really optimistic. In my experience there is no talking to MAGA's, period. They have all drank the Koolaid and it's too late for them.

[@ginajones2328]

Yes it's too late for Maga lives Don't Matter ... Pathetic people 😡😠😠 just clueless and no empathy. No science minds just folks who adore this Cheeto bandito........tRUMP not good so voting him out

[@BondageKitty37]

@@RogueMinion literally anything you say is "fake news". Conversation is impossible

[@dkpqzm]

@delonix regia funny you should say that, I was raised JW. Now I'm an atheist.

[@therealgaragegirls]

💯

[@theophano]

The religious people will say they like what Trump says, not what he does.

[@WilliamHunterII]

Don't bother them with the facts. They've already made up their minds.

[@danielskomp9072]

Don’t bother them with facts, they have already lost their mind.

[@suze6288]

Homeland Security Threat is at ORANGE. Please My America, vote him out.

[@Kingfisher1215]

Suze 6-3 Suzie baby. 6-3.

[@lobo7361]

Nah. You can't buy off evil. You can't appease the wicked.

[@joeyrich4452]

Just like his face makeup/spray tan ORANGE 🍊

[@michiganlineman357]

Facts Matter suze DNC requesting a pull an MSNBC commentary segment.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6107 •DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450 •DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.”wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8806 •DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762 •DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz having an off the record meeting in MSNBC President Phil Griffin’s office.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8867 •Politico writer sending his stories to the DNC before he sends them to his editor.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808 •DNC feeding CNN the questions they want to be asked in interviews.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077DNC head killing horses for insurance money wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/578DNC making fun of black womans name.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17942DNC telling each other, “I love you too. no homo.”wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/425DNC requesting a pull an MSNBC commentary segment.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6107DNC controlling the narrative with time released stories.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12450DNC conspiring to create false Trump information and release with Reuters.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102DNC Hillary supporters infiltrated Sanders campaign.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4776DNC members going to complain to Morning Joe producers about his mentioning of a “rigged system.”wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8806DNC discussing their relationship with NBC/MSNBC/CNN and how to get better treatment.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13762Super PAC paying young voters to push back online Sanders supporters. Paid shills.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz having an off the record meeting in MSNBC President Phil Griffin’s office.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8867DNC being messed with by the Washington Examiner.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5304DNC discussing Hillary’s policies as unfeasible.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/519$200k for a private dinner with Hillary.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/17287Offering to send interns out to fake a protest against the RNC.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366Faking outrage and pasting in a video later.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7102A mole working inside of the Sanders campaign.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7793Bringing up Sanders religion to scare the southern voters.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/11508Possible money laundering by moving money back and forth to bypass legal limits.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6230Politico writer sending his stories to the DNC before he sends them to his editor.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10808DNC feeding CNN the questions they want to be asked in interviews.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077Creating a fake job ad for a Trump business to paint him as a sexist.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803Hillary funding 2 million dollars in a cooridanted campaign in battleground states to win back the Senate.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7784DNC is upset that their “allies” didn’t send in protestors so they sent out interns.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13366“Clinton Foundation quid-pro-quo worries are lingering, will be exploited in general.”wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/8351$50,000 - Lawrence Benenson.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/14700Daily Fundraising Report for the DNC.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2875Content & Social Strategy Discussion.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7512Re: BuzzFeed and DNC connection.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/10933Draft linking news articles about trump to use as negative press.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7586Fwd: State Dinner Countdown.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/1901Some chick is angry she hasn’t been given more stuff from the Obama administration…might be interesting to follow up.Re: State Dinner Countdown.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/2946Tim O’Brien: Trump’s Fixation on Inflating his Net Worth is a Cause for Concern.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4496RE: May Fundraising Numbers.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/5615wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7720Hillary for America Raised $26.4 Million in April, Began May with More than $30 Million Cash on Hand.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13986Re: For approval: Trump supporter graphics.www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/788Press talking points, states Hillary is their candidate, dated May 5, 2016. More of a smoking gun than the ambiguous talk in the emails themselves.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/fileid/5254/2728Consultant calling megyn kelly a bimbo. Has PDF attached that says the same.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/6087DNC trying to get away with violating the Hatch Act.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/20148Democrats using interns to organize fake “protests.”wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/13830RE: Action on DNC tomorrow (Immigration Raids).www.wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/9736

[@mr.bnatural3700]

Let me explain something to you efn' people. We Christians know God put Trump as leader of the world to be co-redeemer with Christ and rule with God as the King of the world! Our Holy Trump can perform miracles, heal the sick, fly across the universe, turn invisible and shape shift into anything. We Christians are dancing in the street every time our Holy Trump of God makes a peep out of his enormous beautiful moist man hole.. Can I hear an AMEN? One day you enf' morons are going to wake up with your head on a fence post if you don't get on the Holy Trump Train to Glory Hole Land! (Sarcasm)

[@Bum_Hip]

“It is easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled.”

[@jaimezamora8428]

Just like Biden did you you

[@Steve-ou8nw]

I have tried. But their attention span is like 7 seconds, then they drift off.

[@marodrey]

Hahahahaha!! Short phrases, short phrases! He built walls. Everywhere. On every subject. He forgot. He stole the money. Budgeted another wall. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@larrybrown8180]

I lost a friendship of 43 years because the traitor-lover wouldn't come back to reality. It hurt, but I no longer miss the guy. I don't need a lying, racist traitor for a friend.

[@pauljansen1137]

i like a president being able to tell the difference between fact and fiction...this clown cannot...vote Biden!!!

[@pauljansen1137]

@@kelperdude that was just a "gaffe" 😉

[@Kyomiibrown]

@@kelperdude “Is it wrong to be more sexually attracted to your own daughter than your wife?” - Donald Trump

[@shell6927]

@@kelperdude Well look here... we have dumb and dumber 😂😂

[@shell6927]

@@kelperdude Nice try but I'm not a trumptard :)

[@farrokhbulsara6368]

I voted for *TRUMP2O2O*

[@splibb]

You can't really talk to them if they believe all of the lies, there is no point that cannot be undone with a lie

[@Feintgames]

Find that common ground...skip over the racism, greed, selfishness, and homophobia. Those are potential sticking points.

[@D-me-dream-smp]

So ahh Ummm oooh the weather? Oops no no too dicey ahhh ya know forget about it imma just going home to my poor black gay leftist roommate.

[@lunoidlunonote1481]

Why thank y'all so much. I am amazed in their unwaivering misbelief. I look forward to seeing the look on their faces..

[@precisionfitness7801]

I would rather have a conversation with my bottle of bourbon, which usually happens after watching 10 minutes of Trump.

[@einmalnachgedacht6596]

Its funny (but also kind of dramatic) to read all the comments here. I'm not american and for me it's like watching a reality tv show. On both political sides there are people who seem to feel good when they picture the other side as the ultimate evil. No interest to understand each other. No interest to think for themselves! Groupthink took over everything. I understand why people vote for trump and it is not because they are racist or evil or stupid! Everything that makes you believe this wants to weaken you as a country! Good luck America!

[@MrRedberd]

@@einmalnachgedacht6596 There are other players involved here that want to tear us apart. Good point.

[@joebarr725]

You can handle 10 minutes of the garbage that spews from his orange pie hole?

[@sureshotannieoakley2107]

It's impossible. I was with my grandfather today, he's a MAGA. He started in on the girl at T mobile bcz she asked him to put a mask on. I tried to calm the situation, she said wasn't even political, but he kept calling her a liberal. This is common with him. I try to shift away from anything political, but that's all he wants to do is hatch out off the wall conspiracy theories. This isn't normal. He behaves as if he's in a cult. I almost can't stand being around him and aside from my family and I, all of his other relatives live out of state. Avoidance works best.

[@JKFlaker]

Sadly wearing a mask is so politicized in this country

[@lightitrun5209]

I'm sure he can't stand being around someone as contemptuous as you. He's old not dead. Or we're you planning something?

[@changingmyself]

Yep, same with my mom. She still thinks that the virus was created to make tRump look bad and it was all a dem hoax, I asked her if tRump was in on it then since he got the virus himself, she said she BELIEVED that there was a virus, but all the other stuff was made up to make him look bad, I said well, it is on video of him saying this stuff about tRump saying the virus was really deadly, so...yeah. I have avoided seeing my mom for months now. I only talk to her when I need to. It is a sad situation because my dad has dementia and she needs support just as much as he does. She is convinced that the tests have microchips on them and that when people are getting tested for the virus that they are inserting them in people's brains. No joke.

[@okd521]

I used to know a flat earther who wanted to debate the issue all the time. He eventually got so angry when I mocked his nonsense he threw a temper tantrum and never talked to me again! I was pleased.

[@michelcolet6975]

The whole narcissism thing is a bit tricky though.

[@doyoulovehimloretta1607]

💯

[@janetcrisis1704]

Not if you understand narcissists. He is diagnosed as a malignant narc. They do brainwash. Happened to my mom.

[@sideshowbob]

Sad but we're already at "3 or 4 years later having to say 'I told you so'". Die hards like my Dad (in PA sadly too) will just not budge.

[@tnbrfller]

you can lead a Horse to water, but you can not make him drink. You can lead a person to intelligence, but you can not make him think.

[@sassafrasdinglemeyer4513]

I know the feeling! Sadly my father, brother, son, daughter-in-law, and son-in-law are Trumpanzees.

[@JKFlaker]

I’ve lost respect for my own parents for supporting him.

[@cyndieK1]

I’ve stopped talking to my mom. She’s brainwashed by Fox and it’s just incredibly sad.

[@MyEyesBled]

_”I do feel your pain, and I am ENJOYING EVERY SECOND OF IT as I know you would if reversed!!!”_ ... that’s how I talk to my MAGA relatives.

[@AzaleaLuna]

lol

[@corkyvanderhaven3391]

MyEyesBled Now that's funny

[@HostileRespite]

Nah, now they're just traitors or supporting traitors. It's just that simple.

[@anatomicallycorrectmuppets8180]

Just break ties. Family isn’t a requirement and they will never change. You can’t fix stupid

[@rowanblackmon802]

You can't always just break ties.That presumes everyone interacting are adults. Sometimes people are children interacting with parents & they aren't financially or legally able yet to break ties.

[@kingtrance6826]

How old are you?

[@robertahubert9155]

He is going to find out about the law when he leaves that office. Then let’s see how much he loves law and order

[@thesoundsmith]

"The Law" is VERY different than "Law And order." The Law doesn't make the trains run on time. Fear of execution for being late makes the trains run on time. Narcissism inevitably leads to the Fascism. One day you're hanging paper, the next you're hanging Jews.

[@popeyesailor8744]

Well he already said if he loses he's leaving the country, essentially becoming a fugitive.

[@Rocky.vs.]

Slovenia is beautiful country!

[@elantra45]

@@popeyesailor8744 He'll have to flee to a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty with the U.S.

[@meheretugetahun9107]

YES! He will find out very soon.

[@vsGoliath96]

Calling this whole thing hostage negotiation is a pretty damn good metaphor.

[@jonaseggen2230]

Too close to be a metaphor maybe?

[@CstleCrsher]

I highly prefer to tell them how stupid they are, and then give them irrefutable evidence of why that is. Unfortunately, to people that stupid, irrefutable evidence means nothing.

[@kyleg8098]

Emotional hysteria is not evidence

[@joshiboy31]

This might be the most important guidance in US politics atm. Keep up the good work LP

[@CarmenRodriguez-gc9jn]

Thank you for this video., 🙏. So many of us that need it.

[@stevet5573]

I’ve just stopped talking to them. They’re like fans of bad teams ... they cannot let go ... so I don’t bother. You can’t fix evil.

[@bethleblanc656]

Yes, they're not different than any cult follower. Their brain are totally washed.

[@Kingfisher1215]

Steve T Oh you mean like when they say it's now six to three? I'm sure that is annoying.

[@jakestakes9075]

What's so bad about trump?

[@nancystowell4877]

@@jakestakes9075 Name something good about him, something positive or constructive that he's done in the past 4 years!

[@jakestakes9075]

@@nancystowell4877 first president in 39 years who hasn't started a new war or conflict. Took out a top iranian general and nothing came from that. Less US soldier have died in Afghanistan under trump than compared to Bush or Obama. Tensions with North Korea are down.

[@mikesoprano9518]

Good job Rick ,Tara . Keep this up we need every advantage to fight these knuckleheads.

[@tstud5117]

My mom always told me, never argue with a fool because bystanders won't be able to tell who is who.

[@redhed515]

Hard to argue with a core value of racism.

[@mgardner70]

America has played coy with racism before the civil war. This is what you get.

[@eddvcr598]

True. For his racist base, the only thing they can feel good about themselves is that they happened to be born white. They will cling onto that perceived value of superiority with intense desperation. That’s why they’re so threatened by equality.

[@AtomFA]

hey I thought he disavowed racism around 50 times??! wierd

[@MrRedberd]

@Gary Quarty you

[@ilovefreedoom]

Here ya go: kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3vQgIapq5J-ick

[@WhoDeyNati513]

My family just tells me to stop talking about politics because “I’m a leftist now”. My dad just doesn’t even want to have a conversation, nor does my grandma. I am told to shut up by both.

[@lbkblade]

I find it stupid that your family prioritizes your political beliefs over familial love and respect, I'm so sorry that that is happening to you. If you ever need to talk I'm here for ya.

[@WhoDeyNati513]

@@lbkblade I may have overstated things...it’s like I can talk about other things with these family members, but once it delves into politics...crickets. I recall having a text conversation with my dad about sports (I live hundreds of miles away) and once I got into a discussion about the merits of Joe Biden, no responses until I changed the subject completely.

[@jenniferburlingame815]

I hear you, hang in there. I have Dem, Repub, and Independent relatives/friends. I'm willing to listen to all sides and be civil and FACT check. Shut up isn't really a good argument and your opinion counts just as much as theirs does.

[@DresdenShuffle]

I'd say shut them out of your life but it's your family and it's not that easy. No point trying to persuade them to see the truth if they won't listen, just focus on yourself and voting the idiot out.

[@JKFlaker]

@@WhoDeyNati513 sorry to hear.

[@merryhunt9153]

Thank you, Dr. Markman. Your advice is good - and not what I expected.

[@maxsmith695]

Sometime in 2019, I called a radio station and asked the caller a simple question. " If an American citizen cheats on their taxes, are they a patriot? " ( Definition of a patriot is someone who obeys and supports the laws of America.) The radio host is a graduate of Yale, so I did not expect a " play dumb " response. That is exactly what I got. He normally gave callers 20-30 seconds. This call lasted 8 minutes. He tried to mix up EVADE with AVOID and suggested evading is good, avoiding is bad. Really ! I listened to the call on replay and he introduced 7 different dodges to avoid giving any answer. I ended the call by saying - " You will not give me an answer, good bye ". Never one did I say the word Trump or make any mention of any person, but he accused me of making the call about Trump. His screener was able to squeeze in one comment about me. He said on the air, I was trolling the Host. I asked one question about taxes during tax season ! LOL. I had called at 2:49 pm, and since his show ended at 3:00, I did not think my call would be taken. But he took it and was so centered on trying to throw me off my game, he forgot to take the 5 minute commercial break at 2:52. He spent the last minute of his show blaming me for messing up the last commercial segment of the show.