How To Tune Your Drums Like A Pro - The Snare Drum Part 1 of 3

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Rick Beato

Rick Beato

8 жыл бұрын

This video will teach you how to tune your drums like a pro. In this video, I will show you how to change heads and tune the snare top and bottom. I have recorded more than 1,000 drum sessions over the past 20 years as a music producer. I have worked with the best drummers in all genres of music from Vinnie Colaiuta to Josh Freese. These are the techniques I use and that you can easily learn. This is the first in my 3 part drum tuning series.
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@boblatzer
@boblatzer 6 жыл бұрын
I have watched many, many videos over the years on how to tune drums. Your method is the only one that really worked for me. My drums have come alive with tone and feel. Thanks.
@modifidious7171
@modifidious7171 4 жыл бұрын
You left out a crucial part of tuning the snare: when attaching a new snare wire, make sure your SNARE MECHANISM is unlocked (loose) and it's screw is loosened almost entirely. That way once you've properly attached the snare wire, you can engage the snare mech and tighten it as needed to your play style. The looser it is, the "fatter" the sound. The tighter it is, the sharper and cutting the sound will be. Otherwise perfect tutorial!
@stp8103
@stp8103 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for mentioning this. That is the hardest part of putting snare wires on a drum. It can be a bit of a challenge to line them up and have the strainer work perfectly. As far as vintage Ludwig throw-offs go, I would prefer the P-83 any day over the junky P-85. The new P-88AC isn't too bad either.
@birchply023
@birchply023 2 жыл бұрын
Me i loosen it and maybe have to hold it were i want it its s focus thing . I already know how to tune i just like a refresh force so othen . This is a great video i get it and like it . I woulda liked to have heard it behind a drumset . But i already know how it sounds live i have one .
@Noah-gq7pq
@Noah-gq7pq 2 жыл бұрын
yes indeed,,great catch
@ochocabra1542
@ochocabra1542 2 жыл бұрын
I just loosen it enough to give me some play, then tweak it til I get what I'm looking for
@Juandrumx
@Juandrumx Жыл бұрын
I appreciate you noted and add it to the comments. Being a experienced drummer I went ahead and figure it out, but it's definitely needed when we're putting out these videos and countless people are watching it around the world... I always hated when somebody that could not explain in details or could even explain it after I asked that I was eventually going to get it... "You'll get it!, You'll get it!, Thank God I wasn't paying that guy for instructions lol.
@hotsauce5
@hotsauce5 3 жыл бұрын
Just got back into playing the drums, played guitar for awhile, so this was a fantastic refresher on drum tuning, thank you!!
@jimmymiller9524
@jimmymiller9524 2 жыл бұрын
Hey Rick, I was a drummer back when I was a kid, and I played bass and guitar pro for decades, and now at age 60 I've pulled the ol' kit out from mothballs and needed to replace the snare heads. So glad I found this video because it made replacing them much easier and quicker than the way I did it usually. I never lost the skill for tuning drums, and your way is a tad more work on the front end, but it saves tons of time on the back end. By the time the heads were tight enough, I just had to adjust one or two lugs slightly on each and I was off to the races! Thank you so much!
@neonbreon
@neonbreon 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rick! followed this step by step, couple years ago I bought a drum set third hand to learn on, had original Tama heads, went to an Evans Snare Genera Dry, OMG what a difference! Just bought heads for the toms, cant wait
@thomasmuff1486
@thomasmuff1486 Жыл бұрын
I got to say, man, your channel is just always informative, to the point, and well done. Whether I am watching you and listening to you about something that I already know. Or if I’m listening to you talk about something that I never knew. it’s always a master class of an instruction. When it comes to music and musicianship, and then just listening enjoyment in general, you are number one. Thank you for all of your videos.
@crome2194
@crome2194 2 жыл бұрын
I've been following your critic videos for over a year now. As a songwriter who just bought his first drum set days ago in order to learn the instrument(s) so I could write the drum parts, I'm very happy to find this video from years ago. I have a lot to figure out.
@loghanditheimperialdiehard8876
@loghanditheimperialdiehard8876 2 ай бұрын
I’m in the same boat haha.
@DirectCurrent4u
@DirectCurrent4u 5 жыл бұрын
I still Love my 1976 Dyna Sonic Sound. (Rogers) I bought the drum kit in 1976 and have been making a living with it ever since. Still sounds as good as the day I bought it. Very crisp!!! Thanks for sharing Rick...
@nelsonnichols922
@nelsonnichols922 5 жыл бұрын
Those old Rogers kits sound great!
@jazz4asahel
@jazz4asahel Жыл бұрын
Totally new drummer with my first drum, an old Pearl snare and vintage Slingerland stand. And Rick Beato instructing me on some basics. It doesn't get any better.
@novitamonitor
@novitamonitor Жыл бұрын
But but but .... the tuning of the snare resohead is extreme important for the sound and attack. Learn about that elsewere!
@jazz4asahel
@jazz4asahel Жыл бұрын
@@novitamonitor Thank you. Fortunately I had run into some instructional videos on that. I have had to apply that even more to the tuning of my rack toms.
@mr.kaplanmusic
@mr.kaplanmusic 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this video Rick! I'm a piano and synth player and your deep dive into drums has helped me immensely!!
@theurbread
@theurbread 5 жыл бұрын
how to get a good snare sound: step 1. get a ludwig supraphonic step 2. thats it
@dustinl2640
@dustinl2640 3 жыл бұрын
Supraphonic is hard to tune
@MartinBellamyMBDrums
@MartinBellamyMBDrums 3 жыл бұрын
Ahahaha! no kidding!
@michaelengle9062
@michaelengle9062 3 жыл бұрын
Pretty much...it's hard to make a Supra sound 'bad" at all. I mean, the sound you like is subjective of course but these things have a good quality sound no matter what heads or tensions I've tried.
@jimmymiller9524
@jimmymiller9524 2 жыл бұрын
Don't have a Supra but I have an old Ludwig 6 1/2" x 14" wood snare from the 50's that is absolute magic and I plan on getting a 70's Supra for something different.
@jetyler3400
@jetyler3400 2 жыл бұрын
My Supra is just untouchable...amazing snare.
@jeffdowning4877
@jeffdowning4877 Жыл бұрын
I read many comments and let's face it- we all have different techniques and rituals to break in and tune. And frankly to me, the result still sounds really gamey and ringy and raw to me. BUT, when I followed this and put a bit of dampening on it , it sounded really great. It had a fat punch and a crack and little resonance that I tend to choke out too much with my previous technique. I think there are many ways to get to a good spot for us all, and many are worth considering. Coming from Rick you know it's going to be a process worth exploring, so one needs to keep an open mind. That is something that is surprisingly problematic with musicians- one would expect them to be very accepting of different techniques and approaches, but in fact many of us are very locked into one way to do things and are convinced anything else is incorrect. And if I know anything, I know that is wrong. There are many approaches that can work. I tried this and got great results. I learned not to tame and over tighten and allow some ring that will need to be tamed a bit. But not having any overtones sucks. To me at least. And again, it depends on the application. Just like with a guitar sound what sounds great by itself sometimes does not work in the context of playing with others or a style of music or mix. It just depends.
@Customwinder1
@Customwinder1 5 жыл бұрын
This is great. I have a heap of steel snare drums ans a couple of wood shell snare drums and using your methods make them all sound great. I like the different sounds they all produce. Using a few different heads makes a difference too. Thanks Rick . Love ya work 👍
@TheTouchy1
@TheTouchy1 2 жыл бұрын
Great video, some very helpful tips for a long term drummer who's always struggled with tuning!
@phrosda
@phrosda 7 жыл бұрын
shiny it's done? I play until there's a hole in it.
@Jarhead1313
@Jarhead1313 6 жыл бұрын
Phrosda1 Z same here, I play my snare heads until they're as slick as a used racing tire. But since I started using the Evans Hybrid I at least get my damn money's worth.
@m0j0b0ne
@m0j0b0ne 5 жыл бұрын
Doesn't matter that much, unless you ever need to use brushes; if the coating's gone the brush work suffers. Drummers can go their whole career and never use brushes. Or learn to play a waltz properly. I hate those drummers, and I don't hire them.
@davidstoleson792
@davidstoleson792 5 жыл бұрын
Cool. Where is the link to your video on snare tuning?
@10000rambos
@10000rambos 4 жыл бұрын
Phrosda1 Z Cool. You and my drummer should swap ideas. He swears by aluminum tape trick, and better yet the old “piece of drum head held on by aluminum tape” trick. He tells me it’s not one you’ll find in the book.
@joehartman87
@joehartman87 4 жыл бұрын
@@m0j0b0ne I prefer playing a worn head with brushes. It adds color when you go from smooth to rough. BTW I'm not looking for work so no biggie.
@ramblinrogers
@ramblinrogers Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial. I picked up a nifty little trick the other day in regards to the old batter head. Cut it so you can lay it on top of the new one. Maybe even cut a hole in the middle, effectively making it into a ring. It’ll be a quick and easy way to muffle the sustain, without adjusting the drum itself. Always nice to find a new use for something, rather than to throw it away. 🙂
@misledswede9986
@misledswede9986 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why I found him throwing the skin away so funny
@cbparker44
@cbparker44 7 жыл бұрын
I thought you meant when he first took it off.. I thought, that's not very funny... then I saw him toss it back into the rest of his studio, and I found it pretty damn funny too. lol
@drummer4hire12
@drummer4hire12 4 жыл бұрын
I thought it was going to hit the lamp at first.......that would have been golden!!!
@dannyfoxguided
@dannyfoxguided 3 жыл бұрын
Finger tighten is my new favorite thing. The first toss I thought was funny too.
@DH-tn5xl
@DH-tn5xl 3 жыл бұрын
I laughed pretty hard too and then 5 minutes later I see your comment.
@5000rgb
@5000rgb 3 жыл бұрын
The timing.
@mat4410
@mat4410 2 жыл бұрын
The first thing to do on a 402 is change the P-85 throw off. Lol Glad you caught the point on the rim weights. Most folk would overlook the mention. I really enjoy your channel.
@grahamroden9374
@grahamroden9374 4 жыл бұрын
I’ve given this method a go on two of my snares. Worked a treat. My thanks.
@timothyroberts2103
@timothyroberts2103 Жыл бұрын
There's a lot of really good drummers out there that have never bothered to master the art of tuning their drums correctly, especially in church drumming. This was a great tutorial. I've actually never heard of anybody breaking the seals like that.
@trevord4243
@trevord4243 Жыл бұрын
Hey Rick, Great share. Gonna be kicking back and watch all three of this series. Awesome stuff!
@steveballstadt1013
@steveballstadt1013 Жыл бұрын
Rick (from my experience playing for a long time) when you place the head on the batter side of the snare you may want to consider placing the joint where the collar is glued together over one of the lugs. It usually prevents uneven crinkling and/or buzzing (which will make your life more difficult especially in the studio).
@ScrambleBandOfficial
@ScrambleBandOfficial Жыл бұрын
How do you mean place it over a lug?
@kingnamedghidorah
@kingnamedghidorah Жыл бұрын
@@ScrambleBandOfficial I believe he means to line the joint up with one of the lugs
@claytonbozard
@claytonbozard 8 жыл бұрын
Cool video Rick. I have that snare and didn't know that about the rims being a different size from the older supraphonic's. Going to give that a try!
@martyylitalo
@martyylitalo 2 жыл бұрын
I love many of Rick Beato’s videos and have for years. I have learned so much about production, arrangement and theory from him. As a drummer however, this was hard to watch. Rob “Beatdown” Brown is a great source for all things drumset biased. With all due respect Rick.
@joegiotta7580
@joegiotta7580 2 жыл бұрын
I’m with you on this vid. He does a LOT of things and says a lot of things that are off the mark. Where I disagree is with Rob Brown. He reinforces a ton of false “knowledge” and stereotypes within drumming and especially technique. Brown has a good YT presence and good production. He is also a pretty good drummer. He is an awful teacher.
@martyylitalo
@martyylitalo 2 жыл бұрын
@@joegiotta7580 true. I was just appreciating Rob Brown’s approach to snare tuning. Who’s your “go-to” for drum instruction?
@SallyEddy
@SallyEddy 6 жыл бұрын
Rick you are a life saver :) had a lot of trouble with my snare drum until I watched this video !!! :) THANK YOU SOOOOOO MUCH !!!!
@drummingisdreaming4386
@drummingisdreaming4386 7 жыл бұрын
Great videos, I use your technique regularly now. I do have one issue though. I have toured both the Remo and Evans heads plants and neither of them put glue on the collar of the head, only in the hoop holing the head in place. The collar of both is formed by heating the film and bending it over a mold, hot in Remo's case and cold in Evan's case, no glue ever touches the collar. The cracking you hear is the film itself cracking at the collar point, not any kind of glue. By cracking it like you do, you may make the collar less stiff to form over the bearing edges better, but no glue is involved. Great videos, keep them coming!
@spin_soul
@spin_soul 8 жыл бұрын
Awesome video, very comprehensive. Keep em' coming! :)
@RichardMcGoldrick
@RichardMcGoldrick 2 жыл бұрын
If you want to tension drum head rims progressively and arrive at an even tension accross the head, number opposite lugs as a pair rather than every lug. For example, a ten lug rim will have five pairs. First determine which will be called pair one (use the logo or put a mark or some masking tape on the shell to be clear about that firstly). Then, progressively tension each pair rotating clockwise (ask your grand dad what that means), and call out 1, 3, 2 4 as you tweak these pairs. Doing that methodically will help prevent confusing yourself doing this save time getting an even pitch around the head. Nice kit Rick.
@ninpomaniac
@ninpomaniac 10 ай бұрын
Yep, use two keys.
@thebouncinghearts
@thebouncinghearts 7 жыл бұрын
Love your videos.....you make drum tuning interesting, keep up the great work!
@TheStudioDrummer
@TheStudioDrummer 6 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. I just uploaded a 3 minute shortcut drum tuning video and yours came up in my feed. Great as always Rick!
@devinbuchhorn
@devinbuchhorn 6 жыл бұрын
Love this video, the only thing I would suggest is using the 2 key method when tightening lugs. It makes it much more accurate and quicker!
@christophertracy5188
@christophertracy5188 Жыл бұрын
Isn't this exactly what is suggested at 6:44 😂
@bmessacar
@bmessacar Жыл бұрын
@@christophertracy5188 But Gretsch keys are expensive..lol {nice to have tho}
@mkreple
@mkreple 7 жыл бұрын
snare head frisbee... absolutely hilarious! 👍
@moonkef
@moonkef 7 жыл бұрын
Best drum tuning tips from a great producer!
@virginia7125
@virginia7125 2 жыл бұрын
I've watched other videos on tuning snares. Yours made more sense than anybody else's I've ran across. I have a Pearl, play mostly latin music, & it's a 14 × 5½. Looking for suggested pitches to tune both sides. Note ⭐ I sometimes use brushes for acoustic setups.
@krusher74
@krusher74 Жыл бұрын
318hz top 400hz bottom. (if that not hight enough go to 356top) buy a tunebot.
@PaulMarangoni
@PaulMarangoni 8 жыл бұрын
The "cracking" sound that Remo's heads make when you place them under tension is NOT the sound of glue cracking. It's the sound of the collar forming against the bearing edge of the drum. Rather than pressing into the collar of the head with your hands, it is much better (and safer) to just tension the head tightly and then let it sit for an hour or two. Then you can loosen the head and then tension it up to where you want it.
@paulpresson4507
@paulpresson4507 5 жыл бұрын
I also have never heard of anyone deforming the collar to "break up the glue" before mounting the head. I wonder where he got that instruction from.
@aaronatz9619
@aaronatz9619 3 жыл бұрын
Yup I usually do mine at night and let it sit till morning
@johncole4882
@johncole4882 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen a drummer literally stand on top of a new head and even jump on it.
@ItsBriiiiii
@ItsBriiiiii 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulpresson4507 when I was taught how to tension a snare drum, it was to "seat" the head by putting pressure on each side of the rims evenly. You will hear the cracking sound. This is when the head is only finger-tightened and only light pressure, evenly. Then, you will have loosened tension in the rods some as well , so another finger tighten. Then you're ready to tune the drum up as well as (evenly) putting pressure in the center of the head. Never failed for me, this was from a professional player and instructor
@krusher74
@krusher74 Жыл бұрын
using a tune bot if i tune a head up to a desired pitch, if i then put a cloth in the center and then using the heal of my hand press on it with all my weight it will streatch and and can then tune it back up to the desired pitch, usually about 5 cycle of this and then it will stop changing and hold pitch. i bet you head tats sat for a hour or 2 is still stretchable and will detune after playing.
@DamianS1893
@DamianS1893 5 жыл бұрын
Rick, Thanks for sharing your knowledge
@PlanetRockJesus
@PlanetRockJesus Жыл бұрын
It's cool how Rick, being mostly a guitarist, is so knowledgeable on drum tech.
@daveyboy8907
@daveyboy8907 Жыл бұрын
It's a studio he needs to have lots of knowledge on every instrument.
@newdeltamusic
@newdeltamusic Жыл бұрын
Mostly a bass player, isn't he? Just happens to also play "a little" guitar XD : )
@newdeltamusic
@newdeltamusic Жыл бұрын
I'm not correct here. His undergrad was bass, but his gigs were mostly guitar --- or is he "mostly" a sound engineer? Producer? Interesting question to pose to Rick: what DOES he self identify as? A Musician?
@snickpickle
@snickpickle Жыл бұрын
@@newdeltamusic I would identify him as a versatile teaching musician who has a recording studio and lots and lots of real-world experience and friends who are really good musicians in their own right, with a liberal topping of awesome sauce!
@daverothfarb2739
@daverothfarb2739 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you Rick, this was so helpful!
@Kman1960
@Kman1960 5 жыл бұрын
ha ha, you left the bar code sticker on the snare side rim. Thanks for the video Rick, appreciated it!
@michaelj.morris1979
@michaelj.morris1979 3 жыл бұрын
Learned a lot . Thanks @rick beato !
@CiaoGibson
@CiaoGibson 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent post. Thx Rick!
@philipmorris57
@philipmorris57 Жыл бұрын
Hell of blast beat, right there Rick 🤣
@andyorr1597
@andyorr1597 Жыл бұрын
We started using the Drum Dial to precisely tighten the lugs on the three kits - Ludwig Downbeat 20, Gretsch Brooklyn and Pearl Reference - I keep in my studio. They’ve never sounded better.
@basilioskay8159
@basilioskay8159 3 жыл бұрын
man you are great !!! love these 3 videos !
@janpetre1577
@janpetre1577 7 жыл бұрын
Really usefull video! My snare sounds really good now!
@benjabravo00
@benjabravo00 3 жыл бұрын
3:18 this is why I love Rick
@morgunstyles7253
@morgunstyles7253 2 жыл бұрын
I made a jig that applies even pressure all around the drum. Squeezing the drum so to speak. Only the rim down onto the drum. With pressure applied, finger tighten rods (you can use a key if you want) release pressure, drum tuned. you can get consistant tuning, and all rods will be the same. No guessing. Want a higher pitch? Squeeze more. Its the same principle as pushing down with your hand, only its all at once and uniform.
@richardhingle3634
@richardhingle3634 Жыл бұрын
Oh wow! That's a brilliant suggestion 👏. As a veteran musician and master carpenter don't know why I never thought of that myself.
@cortbengtson4149
@cortbengtson4149 5 ай бұрын
Great video. Tons of info for me a beginner ❤
@jaumepp1975
@jaumepp1975 3 жыл бұрын
You should talk about the many ways we can tune drums, and all seem to work just fine. 7th time i watch this video :)
@pleximanic
@pleximanic 8 жыл бұрын
Great! I always use Dry Lube PTFE Spray on the snare shell bearing edges "friction is your enemy whatever you are tuning!
@RickBeato
@RickBeato 8 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@tripppayne8777
@tripppayne8777 4 жыл бұрын
For an old Supra, that thing is in amazing shape. Moon gel FTW.
@mzambo666
@mzambo666 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so very much for the video! very nice
@andreashoppe1969
@andreashoppe1969 4 жыл бұрын
It flies pretty well!!
@KeelanOHara
@KeelanOHara 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great tips Rick! Do you have any go to pitches for snare batter/Reso like you do toms?
@pjlogan386
@pjlogan386 Жыл бұрын
I wish someone had told me about the 1.6 rims 25 years ago, thank Rick.have changed them now.
@kevschua
@kevschua 7 жыл бұрын
Really good throws
@rafaelferrer1
@rafaelferrer1 8 жыл бұрын
Hello Rick and thanks for the videos and lesson. Question : When you work with Vinnie C,how you tuning the drums or if you used a some Signature Key ( A ,C ,D ,E ) for example. Let me Know and thanks
@stevelangonedrumchannel272
@stevelangonedrumchannel272 4 жыл бұрын
I really like your videos, thank you
@aftertheendtimes
@aftertheendtimes Жыл бұрын
thaks Rick very informative for a rookie like me =) Love cheers
@devicesquad6481
@devicesquad6481 7 жыл бұрын
Top tips! Cheers!
@jobrimar8291
@jobrimar8291 6 жыл бұрын
Great stuff here Rick, if only I’d known about this back in the 80’s lol. Howbout making a Beat-O ( geddit!?!) practice pad kinda thingy with the tuning clock printed on it + some of your other tuning tips as a reference point. Beginners would love it, sound engineers even more so. Just a thought. Get thee to Dragons Den.
@dizzolve
@dizzolve 3 жыл бұрын
8:12 the 4 lugs around the snare bed will need to be cranked a little more than the others because the bearing edge sits lower for the snares. On wood drums they'll sand the edge down almost to flat...... I've seen on metal shells the same type of contour or none at all. But you'll generally have to tighten out some wrinkles on the 4 lugs directly adjacent to the snare mechanisms
@johncole4882
@johncole4882 2 жыл бұрын
I believe Ludwig's metal drums don't have snare beds they're just flat. At least my 1970s acrolite is
@rafaelferrer1
@rafaelferrer1 8 жыл бұрын
Greetings from Miami !
@davidcudlip6587
@davidcudlip6587 Жыл бұрын
Great video. @3:21 you don't know how bad I wanted that tossed head to knock down that lamp. I'm always in confusion on what snare head I should be using.
@louisvarga7282
@louisvarga7282 2 жыл бұрын
To replace those old snare wire plastic bands, I cut the inside ply from an old clear tom head into many replacement snare wire bands. They are stronger than the ones that come with the wires.
@CardinalEgan
@CardinalEgan Жыл бұрын
Great idea!
@simonalexandercritchley439
@simonalexandercritchley439 3 жыл бұрын
Rick can you cover some of the different aspects,like tuning to a note,detuning 2 lugs etc. I like tighter bottom head on snares,for crispness,a little looser but still tight on top. I have different kits or parts of for various styles: Gretsch classic maple (black) 6.5" x14, Gr. chrome/brass 5"x14 all die cast hoops. Premier 3.5" x14 birch,pressed steel hoop. Pearl 8"x14 chrome/maple die cast hoop. Slingerland 5"x14 chrome/brass pressed steel hoop. I play Rock,blues,R&B,jazz.latin,folk. I also have Roland TD9 kit.
@Jarhead1313
@Jarhead1313 6 жыл бұрын
Use Evans heads and you won't have to do your little DJ spin to seat it...lol I'm just kidding bro, I'm an Evans guy and had to do a little trash talking , love the channel and a big thanks for the help you provide.
@BonesJonesMusicMD
@BonesJonesMusicMD 3 жыл бұрын
Great video thanks!
@PieterGNel
@PieterGNel 5 жыл бұрын
Hi Rick! Love your videos. I have a question about mixing a snare drum. I am currently mixing a swing track with both flat stick and snare being played normally. What is a good way to control the dynamics between the two while still giving it space to breath?
@youtube.comArthurJames
@youtube.comArthurJames Жыл бұрын
Hey Rick, How about a video on Ringo's Drum 🥁 Tuning for Recording. His sound is amazing ! 🥁
@DailyFlux
@DailyFlux 7 жыл бұрын
I'm a pep drummer and we play on multiple snares and basses. How do I tune my snares and basses if I want them to sound in harmony? For example I want my snare line to sound very bright and my basses very deep.
@bobbycoltrane7552
@bobbycoltrane7552 5 жыл бұрын
Blues, Rock and Alternative I get. Need to tube for Hip Hop.
@taffboyslim
@taffboyslim Жыл бұрын
I used to have an acoustic drum kit. I loved the process of changing and tuning up the heads. I also love the process of changing guitar strings - is it weird to say 'thank you' to them when you take them off?
@Chiroman527
@Chiroman527 Жыл бұрын
Hey Rick, I know this is a very old Video. I don't have your email, so I will make this post of an occurrence I encountered with my DW Design Series Nickel over Brass 14 X 6.5 Snare drum. I bought it used in 2021 via Reverb. It came with the previous owner installed HD Dry batter head. It played great out of the dleivery box. It was Cranked High on both heads. A month ago or so, I replaced the batter head with anew HD Dry one; re-installed he stock reso head and wires. I could not get that Sweet Sound that I liked , no matter how much tweaked it. I have a PdP Concept Maple 7 Drum Kit including a 14 X 5.5 Snare. After getting that kit (also Used) I replaced the stock Batter head with a HD Dry. Last week while playing to Music (I'm a 71 yo retiree who plays for pleasure about 1 hour a day), I placed the PdP snare in the stand. I put the DW snare on my 16 Inch Floor Tom - just to get it out of the way. During a fill, I hit the DW snare - Bingo - That was the Sound I was looking to attain, the Jon Bonham sound !! Better than the out of the delivery box sound. Take the drum off the Tom, it was not the same. I've posted this Phenominum on a number of Forums. One poster said that I was Playing 2 Drums simultaneously ; another jokingly said that I may have Invented a new Snare Stand. Like You, I have a little OCD about certain things. Drum Tuning has become one of the OCD issues :(:(. Any idea as to what is going on. Even the PdP maple snare sounds better when doing this!. I even tried placing an extra EC2 clear 16" Tom head in the snare stand, and placing the drum on top of that - sounds a bit better than w/o it, but not the same as being on the Floor tom. Appreciate your or others' thoughts about this. PS: I just tried chnaging the batter head to a UV1 (NG), then a UV2 - still not happy with it.
@seppoinnanen5577
@seppoinnanen5577 2 жыл бұрын
Aquarian heads don't usually have those snap/crackle/pop starting sounds like Remos do. Plus, the head profile differs from Remos' by having an "oversized" flat area with lower edge part. That's why I prefer Aquarians. They can be used with any brand drums
@davis_taylor.1984
@davis_taylor.1984 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you man!
@gagamoola
@gagamoola 3 жыл бұрын
rick!! happy 2020............following your instructions to the tee--,, getting good results,,..my snare is sounding so good .. my 12" tom is too, but the tom frequency is rattling my snare wire like exactly horrible ..lol >>>any thoughts? (the other toms arent effecting the wire at all.thanks !
@Lucretia2222
@Lucretia2222 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, I appreciate your work. I guess it's personal preference, but I really dislike everything about triple-flanged hoops. Especially on snare drums. Maybe it's better on certain kinds of recording, but I'm a big fan of die cast hoops or 'S'-Hoops (Sonic/Saver/Sticksaver/Safety). If I want a more open sound, I opt for the S-Hoops, if I want a more focused sound I go for the Die-Cast. I just find them to be much more durable, easier on sticks, the S-hoops help hold loose muffling rings and such in place, they also protect the bearing edge, and give a different, to my ear, fatter rimshot than triple-flange, and both die-cast and S-hoops tend to hold a tuning more evenly for longer around the drum, even under heavy use. One of the best 's-hoops' I've seen has been the proprietary Mapex Black Panther Snare Sonic-Saver Hoops, if S-hoops are a compromise between triple-flanged and die-cast hoops, then the Sonic Savers are like the compromise between S-hoops and Die-cast, they're probably about as solid as die-cast hoops structurally, but more open in resonance/lighter. I agree they can deaden a drum slightly, but I would argue in most situations, the amount it deadens it relative to what you can get out of it via tuning and micing, is marginal, perhaps even desirable. Plus. especially on a snare, it's very common to bend triple flange rims from use and age, or de-tune the batter head from rimshots. Obviously, it's not as big of a concern in lighter styles, but these are things I've noticed playing heavier rock drums where gear breakdowns like that can waste a lot of time/money.
@LudingtonBass
@LudingtonBass Жыл бұрын
Somebody got an A in drums class. Rock on 🤘🏽 dude.
@rctubs3593
@rctubs3593 4 жыл бұрын
I always make sure the throw off is in the down position when installing snares other wise you will not have a wide range of tension for the snares. They will be on the loose side.
@mat4410
@mat4410 2 жыл бұрын
Ludwig Superphonic 402: using the Evans HD dry (the pinholes around the edge) Evans 300 on the snare side, Puresound steel 20 strand. Put a Trick throw off with the milled adapter. The 200 was too sensitive to Tom sympathetic overtones. ; likely best for symphonic/ concert band.
@trisdactedalot2995
@trisdactedalot2995 Жыл бұрын
Amusingly, Rick, and I almost hate to mention this, the bar code sticker was still attached to the bottom rim. Affects nothing, but it's probably a great trigger for those of us who are also a bit obsessive compulsive (in the colloquial sense). Unless, of course, the snare is for sale, lol.
@hankmore1
@hankmore1 Жыл бұрын
Haha, I noticed that too and would never leave it on.
@thegingerdrumtech4253
@thegingerdrumtech4253 Жыл бұрын
great video
@DrGray_Drummer
@DrGray_Drummer 3 жыл бұрын
No matter what snare I've bought, or how much I loved the sound, or paid. I ALWAYS go back to the Supra. That's the second time I've heard you say "Indi bands" don't play rim shots. Are they usually less skilled? I had never heard that until you said that
@ccdrums1290
@ccdrums1290 6 жыл бұрын
Cord over straps for sure. Much more open and resonant sound.
@edwardhaaland2310
@edwardhaaland2310 2 жыл бұрын
Nice lesson Rick! Just to offer an FYI: Those vintage Supraphonics you mentioned that had the lighter rims from the 1970s are great for another reason,- they were equipped with the internal muffler control so you didn't have to mess around with those crappy makeshift dampening methods like tape, moon gel, drum dots or even setting your wallet on the drum like some guys do (ha ha!) So I always recommend (when possible) to go with a vintage Ludwig snare drum as they were better equipped.
@chardrum
@chardrum Жыл бұрын
I like the throw off be to my left and the air hole facing forward.
@KITLEVEY
@KITLEVEY 2 жыл бұрын
I noticed Rick feels for defects (smoots) around the drum edge that mates to the head - I noticed that nobody seems to think the ring needs the same treatment. The rings are often what needs it the most. He didn't tune either head by tapping the head near each screw for tone to insure all screws were tightened equally.
@Eurodrummer666
@Eurodrummer666 4 жыл бұрын
What about levelling the resonant head? As Sounds like a drum recommends.
@tubbers20
@tubbers20 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video and tips. I tuned my 6.5 a different way, but it still has the 'Bonham' sound. I'm getting a symphonic snare soon, either a Grover or Pearl. :^)
@richardhingle3634
@richardhingle3634 Жыл бұрын
For anyone interested...it's been written Bonham was a fan of tuning his snare in Perfect Fourths...for those unfamiliar with this, that means the relationship between batter and reso heads yields a hertz ratio approximately 1.33 times between the heads. Naturally, the type and thickness of your heads will yield close numbers but not exactly... Fool In The Rain: G# Batter 303 Reso 412 When The Levee Breaks: F# Batter 320 Reso 355 Check this with a calculator and you'll see a relationship just under 1.33, the difference explained by thick, dry heads (batter) and a loosened strainer to yield a dry, cracking sound. Hope this helps any younger drummers looking to understand tuning relationships. Best of 🤞.
@lildrummerboy80
@lildrummerboy80 7 жыл бұрын
For real? 15 min long video and it cuts off during the final tuning of the bottom head???
@jasonames5101
@jasonames5101 7 жыл бұрын
couldn't believe it!
@bobhopkins6459
@bobhopkins6459 5 жыл бұрын
Couldn't believe it too. Most important part of the video in my eyes. He needs to finish tuning it from where the video ends.
@roni6135
@roni6135 3 жыл бұрын
You guys do realize there are 3 parts to this video right
@CheckDrummer
@CheckDrummer 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much
@drumbo62
@drumbo62 Жыл бұрын
Live your videos Ric but I would be cautious when pressing down while finger tightening to not have the rim be uneven or a low spot if you will. The most important thing is to make sure the head and the hoop are centered (not off to one side) with even pressure and also not having one side of the hoop higher. I would be afraid of pressing too hard when finger tightening and throwing it out of whack from the beginning.
@christophertracy5188
@christophertracy5188 5 жыл бұрын
I think this question has already been asked in the comments, but I didn't see a reply, I'll try to rephrase and also comment on the video. The video had a great discussion on the different types of hoops -- die-cast, 1.6mm, 2.2mm -- and why that matters (one drummer used the word "seasoning" in the comments). I definitely plan to source some new hoops, as I already knew I had one that wasn't perfectly round anymore, now the question is *where* is the best place to get some low mass hoops that fit my Gretsch drums? I've found one online vendor, what do others do? (local drum shop? find somebody who collects/refurbishes drums?)
@karlbradley8235
@karlbradley8235 Жыл бұрын
Very good breakdown of head and snare replacement and tuning. I disagree with your head selection, but that is mainly a matter of taste.
@joaocarvalho9689
@joaocarvalho9689 6 жыл бұрын
Rick. I love your videos but there's something you do with the reso head that l conpletely disagree with. Tightening the reso head that much doesn't mean it gives you the best sound. In fact you're overtensioning the reso head and you might ruin it if you ever want to tune it lower. I used to do that when l started and it completely destroyed the head's tuning ability once l brough it lower to a specific high pitch within the recommended range. I also like my resos tight to the max, with the batter higher than the reso, but you can also get perfect sound the other way around. What l'm saying is: dont bring your reso head higher than 440Hz ~ A4 because you'll get choked sound beyound that and people who are learning to tune should get the feel of the reso resonance. As for the batter l go with what sounds best. I have a great rich fat sound on my roadshow's snare because of that. But l completely fucked my reso head overtensioning it beyound 440hz. Keep that in mind. Aint so hard to train your ear and experiment within range. I usually use a pitch emmiter on my phone like you did with the toms. It works. Tightening the reso to the max only works as a last resort when you really have a cheap low end snare drum with a lot of annoying overtones. However good tuning and knowing the recommended ranges works best most of the time.
@richardhingle3634
@richardhingle3634 Жыл бұрын
I agree...400hz max on the reso or risk splitting the head.
@johnvandyk6515
@johnvandyk6515 Жыл бұрын
Finally some one has said it…I like to almost match the tone on both heads, and use the end of a stick when tuning! Do you have a drumstick? Rick’s snare was way, way too high, esp as a starting off point.
@codersexpo1580
@codersexpo1580 2 жыл бұрын
I shoot for G3 bottom and A2 top, put a moon gel on if in the studio or let the overtones happen naturally live, and call it a day. ;-)
@GamalielRios
@GamalielRios 7 жыл бұрын
3:20 EPIC...!!!
@babyjesus2025
@babyjesus2025 4 жыл бұрын
Does sound good
@emrekartarimusic
@emrekartarimusic 5 жыл бұрын
True, lighter means more resonance, but it also means less body. This is why, for example, some people prefer thicker Gretsch rims or the shells of vintage Sonors over Yamahas because they prefer body over resonance. The drum you have seems to be made after the 90's because of the gold badge, which means, not only the rims are heavier, but the drum shell overall is a little smaller than the vintage Supras. This smaller diameter makes the drum a little thinner compared to the vintage Supra's.
@krusher74
@krusher74 Жыл бұрын
The weight of somthing does not dictate its resonance. that is flawed physics
@wmmonahan
@wmmonahan Жыл бұрын
I have been playing percussion since I was 14, and I'm 55 now. It is unnecessary to do a lot of the stuff you do to the new heads before you put them on. When you tighten the hoops down, the heads will stretch on their own. I don't skip every other nut when I tighten the hoop, but it is right to always criss-cross when tightening the lugs. Hope this helps!
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