HOW TO USE A 858D HOT AIR REWORK STATION - MOD MONDAY EP5

On today's Mod Monday, I show you how to use a 858D hot air rework station. Great for removing surface mount components on PCBs, applying heat shrink, and fixing cold solder joints! DON'T GET BURNED, watch my tutorial!
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[@ecnarret67]

I have the LRT station with both heat gun and iron. Your video helped me conclude that it was not functioning correctly and it needed calibration. Brand new out of the box was low by 100 C. and since it only goes to 450 I was only hitting 350!! destroy 2 test chips before I figured it out. LRT 8586D. Once it was callibrated it poped the chips off like a pro!! Saved 50GB of my grandkids pics from the beginning of their lives. PRICELESS video my friend. Your video assured me that my device should be able to do the job and something else was wrong. THANKS AGAIN

[@ImmodderNation]

Glad the video helped. When I started I was melting boards because the heat was too high and the air was too low. I bring the air up just high enough that it doesn't blow the parts off the board. Use generous amounts of flux paste help as well.

[@DeputatKaktus]

One "trick" that makes desoldering a little easier if you use solder wick / desoldering braid: Cut yourself small pieces (maybe half an inch or 3/4") off the reel and hold them in place with tweezers. Discard once saturated. If you keep the entire roll of desoldering braid attached, you have one huge hunk of copper there that will suck the heat away from your soldering iron quicker than anything. Depends on your iron of course.

[@ImmodderNation]

I'll have to try that. Thanks for the tip!

[@E-raticWarrior]

This is brilliant! Never thought of this at all.

[@Rud3Enterprise]

As a total newbie in the world of soldering, thank you for this review. Also I would like to thank people commenting tips&tricks!

[@ImmodderNation]

No problem. Hot air rework is a little trickier cause you need a lot of flux, moderate airflow (but not too much that your parts blow away), but not too much heat that you melt your components. Its an art.

[@gile849]

Great quick review man.

[@ImmodderNation]

Thank you Gile!

[@train4905]

Thankyou sir.a most exelkent video.clear and concise video.the best video.ive seen so far at last simeone thats actually gave guide to properly work by.thankyou so much indeed.

[@ImmodderNation]

You're welcome Stephen!

[@haxxorsheep]

*Louis Rossmann Has left the chat.*

[@ImmodderNation]

He's a big fan of Hakko and would not recommend this unit. He's also coming from a place of a repair business, not a beginner guide. Still a fan of his, his knowledge of Mac is unsurpassed.

[@patrikmckane4903]

This hot Air station is actually preety good. I own it.

[@ImmodderNation]

There are a lot of copies. For the price it really can't be beat.

[@springer-qb4dv]

Rossman made a video bashing (literally) Baku hot air station, which was pretty pointless. A pro should not get hobbyist grade equipment and then bash it as not being good enough.

[@ImmodderNation]

I agree, springer. If you're going to run a business, you should be getting quality tools. Rossman could probably go higher quality with Metcal, but Hakko is probably good enough for the work he does. To each their own.

[@michaeljacewicz4892]

You did very well in your explanation. You know what you are talking about! I have been a Commercial TV High Technical Maintenanace Engineer for over 15.5 years +, I have done so much repair work on Sony. Ampex and Hitachi Tape Machines and Cameras back in the early 1980's. I wish this was available back then when TV was still just analog. Nice to see a young person take such an interest in this. Great Presentation! Keep up the Good work!

[@ImmodderNation]

Hot air would be better for smaller components than TVs. With bigger components a soldering iron would be preferred. Thank you!

[@dimasdimas6480]

Nice video Just a tip Put some heatstrink over the pcb holder clamps You can scratch and destroy pcbs bcz the metal teeths are pretty sharp Good luck!

[@ImmodderNation]

I've scratched a few already. Good tip, thanks 👍

[@_mylastname]

I just picked this up. Thanks for the vid

[@ImmodderNation]

You're welcome. Hopefully you've had some success with it.

[@_mylastname]

@@ImmodderNation so far, so good 👍

[@ImmodderNation]

That's great to hear.

[@Revdonlee74]

I just got mine in the mail and with temp resist silicone tubing and a Arizer vaporizer balloon refill kit to make a Volcano esk cannabinoid vaporizer. How long can the tool rest in the cradle before it starts cooling, and is there a way of stopping it from doing so? Thank you.

[@ImmodderNation]

There's a magnet inside the tool and the cradle that drops the temperature immediately. You'd have to remove one of them but I'm not sure how.

[@friddevonfrankenstein]

The offset on that air dial, holy balls xD I've had the KMoon 858D for a few years now, served me well thus far :)

[@ImmodderNation]

For as cheap as they are, they get the job done.

[@KTHKUHNKK]

@@ImmodderNation I just subscribed I'm thinking about getting a bios chip removed and replaced onto another printed circuit board do you do this type of work for a fee ? Keith Kuhn

[@ImmodderNation]

Sorry Keith, but maybe someone else here does. You can also post in my Discord.

[@KTHKUHNKK]

@@ImmodderNation Ok Thanks Keith

[@ImmodderNation]

No problem 👍

[@springer-qb4dv]

The temperature indicated on 858D is in degree CELCIUS not Fahrenheit! You can fry the circuitboard by mistaking it as fahrenheit

[@ImmodderNation]

I think I already addressed this is another comment, but yes you are right.

[@SWorld-do5le]

This video saved a 4tb hard drive! Got a cheap station off ebay and a few parts, fixed the hard drive in like 5 minutes. Don't plug hard drives into the orange sata ports on supermicro motherboards lol

[@ImmodderNation]

Grats! How did you fix a hard drive with a hot air rework station?

[@SWorld-do5le]

@@ImmodderNation Swapped the bios chip onto a donor logic board

[@ecnarret67]

Thank you for posting this. It gave me the assurance that I could change the bios on my drive without cooking it. It is done and working ... recovered 50GB of my daughters baby pictures!!

[@Revdonlee74]

I don't wanna run it in the holder for long periods or anything, will it stay at temp on the holder for say 4-5 minutes?

[@ImmodderNation]

No it won't. You'll have to create your own holder for that.

[@GeorgeGeorge-xj2bc]

Can you desolder components directly from large graphics card as GTX8800 using this hot air station without any bottom preheating?I would like to see this hard kind of tests.If it can does then its worth its money.

[@ImmodderNation]

For smaller components like surface mount stuff, yes. Larger work like the GPU may require a preheater. These don't blow as much air as the professional ones that use air pumps imo, but they can get just as hot.

[@michaeljacewicz4892]

Hi Quality Glass Epoxy Cicuit Boards are tough to remove components without removing the trace.

[@ImmodderNation]

You might want a different hot air station for that kind of work.

[@Revdonlee74]

If ya remove the holder bracket, you'll see some hot glue to pick out, then with a little patience you can work the thin wafer magnets out. I used a needle file which worked well.

[@ImmodderNation]

Thanks Don!

[@Swenser]

I have one. I believe it's temp is under rated. I go all the way up to 500 and seems good then. probably 400

[@ImmodderNation]

Gets the job done for the price, but I agree it's not like the higher end ones.

[@Boz1211111]

It seems like it if you dont know how it works. Check with thermocouple its likely acurate

[@osirusj275]

but what if your solder iron can go up to 450celcius and the hot air rework also 450celcius wont that make the hot air not necessary in that case? since to remove the solder connection of cold joint you can still used back the solder iron to melt the join, and the components can dry off by air dried, so in this case theres no need for hot air rework then?

[@ImmodderNation]

Soldering iron and hot air station work differently. Soldering iron provides intense heat but directly by contact. Hot air station provides heat over a small area. Soldering would be better for attaching specific points whereas hot air station is better for SMD components like microchips with multiple contacts. For cold joints on a board, you would probably want to use a reflow oven or hot plate. There are different tools better suited for different tasks, but you could get them all to work in a similar way.

[@Unknown-mn1ui]

Hi Sir, Good Morning or Good Evening, Can You teach me how to use a Hot Air Gun Rework Station(I have 958D hot air gun), to any components. Like what temp. Or what air flow??! Thank you

[@ImmodderNation]

Start at 350 and maybe medium air. Keep the wand moving, don't stop in one place. Don't go above 700 for components.

[@Unknown-mn1ui]

@@ImmodderNation Hi Sir, Can I use an airflow of 4 or 5, to desolder and Solder an IC(Integrated circuit), And Temp. Of 330 or 350

[@ImmodderNation]

I looked it up. You can ignite cotton at 407 C. Beware of clothing!

[@KingLouisII]

How about cardboard? 4:10 You were soldering and desoldering on a huge strip of kindling.

[@ImmodderNation]

Paper is 230 C, but cardboard is treated.

[@user-vu1nv4qb9o]

@ImmodderNation 5:41 R;y,. you said so? I don't think so, i own this hotair and it has issues with heat- hungry mobos... Sometimes I have to crank up temp. up to 410 degree C and wait 2-3 mins to remove the component, especially QFN with thermalpad...

[@ImmodderNation]

I could have added "Budget friendly" or "entry level" to the video, but this is not a review. If your motherboard is drawing up heat, I don't think a hot air station will work that well. Probably should try a reflow oven or hot plate instead.

[@PiotrK2022]

@@ImmodderNation It depends, in some cases for example Quick 861DW does the job without preheating... For example I found a guy who fixes GPUs. He has mentiond hotair and removes components from them without any issues, without preheating...

[@TJ-fc1zz]

Huh never heard of that method before. Now I know lol. Great vid!

[@ImmodderNation]

Thank you!

[@syamsulkreator]

nice

[@ImmodderNation]

Thank you

[@horstschlawutzke6645]

If I hadn't to remove the excess solder first, it would be great. But this way, nah. Anyway, good vid!

[@ImmodderNation]

For surface mount and jobs where you have to melt lots of solder, this is the best.

[@acewilzz3765]

Get solder paste

[@ImmodderNation]

Solder paste is better for reapplying smd components.

[@Durplepurple94572]

Can this go down to 170 - 200 degrees?

[@ImmodderNation]

100 degrees is minimum

[@Angkol2023]

Then what is the maximum?

[@alexstone691]

@@Angkol2023 500, although i wouldnt recommend more than 450

[@yuganta2009]

what is minimum air position

[@ImmodderNation]

Do you mean the lowest air position you can have? 1, but depending upon the size of the smd device, you will want to increase or decrease the blower. More air for larger components, but too much air and smaller components may blow away.

[@CristianG13]

as an engineer, it hurt when he kept calling it "PRINT circuit board" lol

[@ImmodderNation]

As a hobbyist engineer, what should I be calling it?

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

@@ImmodderNation printed circuit board

[@ImmodderNation]

@@PaulJosephdeWerk You're right. I've always heard it as print circuit board or just PCB.

[@ImmodderNation]

@_____ It seemed alot better than the alternative: "What's up f@#$ers, I'm awesome, you're not, shut up."

[@joel.9930]

Or you can use solder wick

[@ImmodderNation]

Harder for surface mount components, but there's more than one way to skin a cat.

[@informediatech-bruno5766]

Paul Daniels has left the chat

[@ImmodderNation]

Who?

[@rictraynor5259]

Try a solder vacuum, save on solder braid

[@ImmodderNation]

Depending on the job, each work better. I have a solder sucker as well

[@I_Find_Google_Lies]

How much do they cost?

[@I_Find_Google_Lies]

The cost please

[@ImmodderNation]

Not much. I don't remember if it was purchased through AliExpress or Amazon, but it wasn't more than 40 at the time.

[@yambo59]

When will people learn that annoying repetitive music in the backround really sucks in a review or tutorial. Im trying to concentrate on what your saying and the goofy music loop just makes it harder and ruins an otherwise good video.

[@ImmodderNation]

Thanks for the feedback

[@ImmodderNation]

Moe, how would you make this video better?

[@moes2168]

@@ImmodderNation sorry I wasn't referring to the video but the content. Your soldering skills could use a little how to is all I was saying. Couple things I noticed, when using the soldering wick, add some flux, so you don't get a blob of solder stuck to the end of the wick, flux will allow the solder to wick in. You'll likely to wick it all infact. Same when de-soldering, add some flux to get better flow. Flux is your friend, if worried about the mess, you can use water based as opposed to Rosin based but rubbing alcohol will clean it right up.

[@ImmodderNation]

Good advice with the flux paste. Really the idea was to show off the hot air station, not my lack of soldering skills.

[@moes2168]

@@ImmodderNation one more thing on those Chinese air soldering units. Some are improperly wired and grounded. I would highly recommend you open it up and check to make sure it's wired correctly. A great reference tutorial available here on KZbin if you search 858D safety. kzbin.info/www/bejne/jYHcaouPfKmgjbM

[@HunterDillard]

Maybe you could show me how to mod my Razer Tartarus to make it wireless. That would really help my setup!

[@ImmodderNation]

That's a really interesting idea. I wonder if it's been tried before

[@ImmodderNation]

You're going to need a cheap wireless mouse for the wireless receiver and dongle.

[@HunterDillard]

ImmodderNation I was thinking of buying a used Razer naga epic wireless (or whatever they call it) for the surrogate.

[@HunterDillard]

ImmodderNation Do you think it would work by just wiring a wireless keyboard receiver and battery to it?

[@ImmodderNation]

No need to buy a Naga, buy something cheaper. You're going to destroy it, why waste the money? Technically the receiver and battery should make it work if wired properly. Just need to make sure the battery voltage is converted to 5V.

[@Unknown-mn1ui]

Hi Sir, I am your new Subscriber, Can I ask a favor, How to use a Gordak 968D Digital Hot Air Rework Station?? Thank you

[@ImmodderNation]

I don't own one of those. Premise is the same, adjust dial to correct temperature for hot air. For soldering iron, consult the manufacturer of your solder for recommended temperature. Usually 350 for most silver bearing solder. Thank you for subscribing and welcome to the Modder Nation!

[@Unknown-mn1ui]

@@ImmodderNation, Oh, Ok Its fine, And Thank You for the information. But I have another favor Sir, What Temperature Do I use for Soldering And Desoldering a Components To a Circuit Board(PCB), Using "Digital Hot Air Rework Station"?? Thank You

[@ImmodderNation]

Start around 315 and go up. Remember to keep the heat moving don't hold in one place. Don't go higher than 400.

[@Unknown-mn1ui]

@@ImmodderNation, Ok Sir, And Thank you Very much For the information and step you gave.

[@ImmodderNation]

You're very welcome. I like the way you say "Sir." I feel important and maybe a little old, but important.

[@SharkyMoto]

you really should get a decent soldering iron first. this thing looks awful and the pointy tip is basicly the worst choice. a chisel tip or a flat bottom tip is much better in transfering the heat to the actual joint especially combined with solder wick. i find it nearly impossible to desolder stuff with the pointy tip, no way to get the solder hot from the get go. also you should add fresh solder first. seems counter intuitive, but makes desoldering much easier! also work with a generous amount of flux, makes the solder flow much better to wherever you apply heat to

[@ImmodderNation]

The WLC 100 is very decent for the beginning solderer. I like the pencil tip for PCB work but the WLC comes with a wedge tip. Thank you for the soldering tips!

[@SharkyMoto]

@@ImmodderNation no problem, you just reminded me of myself when i started. i bought a soldering station from the hardware store and the thing only came with the pointy tip wich was pretty much useless for anything else than splicing wires together. sad thing was, there were no replacement tips available, so i had to take some bigger ones and turn them down on the lathe. worked great nevertheless. i got the same hot air station but it still feels wrong to heat stuff up to the point where the solder gets liquid, especially thinking that under normal conditions, you dont want to get the chips even remotely to that kind of temperatures.

[@ImmodderNation]

Those chips are surprisingly resilient. Remember a hot air rework station is blowing hot air, which is different from applying a soldering iron directly. There's always aluminum tape for components you don't want getting hot as well. Conveniently enough, I spend most time soldering wire in my videos so the pencil tip works great for me.

[@marshallallensmith]

Metcal MX-5220

[@ImmodderNation]

I can name better than MetCal but you're talking about an $800 soldering station that is out of reach for most consumers.

[@alexstone691]

Different kind of beast

[@red8bird652]

Make sure your using helping hands when your on top of very flammable cardboard lol

[@ImmodderNation]

Paper ignites at 480 F (248 C). I should still be ok as long as I don't hold it still on the cardboard.

[@learnandteach.108]

interesting.

[@ImmodderNation]

Yeeeesss *strokes invisible beard*

[@STBRetired1]

I wonder if the 858D and the 898D rework stations are basically the same? There's another video showing an 898D that burnt up. But, the reviewer did say that he used it for years with no problems. And I see that Amazon has dropped the price on the 858D from $ 89.99 to $ 39.99. At that price - WHO CARES as long as you can get a few years work out of it.

[@ImmodderNation]

Similar maybe but probably not the same. Just like there is fast fashion, I believe there is fast tech. This is affordable, entry level stuff for people who don't want to spend a lot of money and aren't ready to commit to the high price of a workhorse piece of tech. 858D is a good example of this. Ofcourse there are better hot air rework stations but not at that price point and if you're going to be working on iPhones and replacing a lot of chips or SMD components, you probably already invested in better equipment anyway.

[@Gw0wvl]

Where's the Mod ?

[@ImmodderNation]

Mod Monday isn't necessarily a mod. It's about tips and hints to help you mod. Mostly tools and techniques. 😉

[@BroversXproductions]

Soldering iron is single target, Hot air gun is AoE.

[@ImmodderNation]

As much as I love acronyms, I have no idea what you just said.

[@alexstone691]

@@ImmodderNation gaming lingo, AoE aka area of effect

[@madmanmechanic8847]

Good video dude but can I suggest something shit can the music during the video way too loud. Its ok during the intro but after that shit can it

[@ImmodderNation]

Music louder? Ok got it. Thanks for the suggestion 👍

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

300 deg F? The display in in deg C!

[@ImmodderNation]

Did I say it was in Fahrenheit? Meant Celsius. Gets up to 450 deg C.

[@PaulJosephdeWerk]

@@ImmodderNation No worries, it's easy to slip when we're so used to deg F in the US.

[@ImmodderNation]

@@PaulJosephdeWerk Or when you think "It can't possibly get THAT hot, must be F."

[@iceman27406]

don't be a hobo, this is fine by its self a combo is not. don't cheap out and buy a garbage iron get a Hakko fx-888d for 96 usd or Weller equivalent. it will pay off in the long run

[@ImmodderNation]

For people that are serious about electronics work there are great combo units that take up less space that two individual units, but you may have to spend more money. Sorry I wasn't clear.

[@ImmodderNation]

Hakko is a more expensive brand that is often recommended. Personal preference is more important.

[@mudso]

Camera focus.

[@ImmodderNation]

Camera tips from a breakfast sandwich. 🤣

[@testingbeta7169]

useful footage starts around kzbin.info/www/bejne/q5LXhIGMbrWBetE you are welcome

[@ImmodderNation]

🤣

[@dymardo_]

How can I trust someone's tips when their soldering iron's tip is dirty as hell?

[@ImmodderNation]

Linus Tech Dirty Tips

[@pabloalbertogodoyalegria9343]

keep on going, you can do better

[@ImmodderNation]

But for the budget, it's not bad. I would not recommend this for professional use.

[@gandalf87264]

I never considered using a heat station to remove a through-hole component. you risk removing a vital through-hole via in the process.

[@ImmodderNation]

If you know what you're doing there's no risk. Aluminum tape with help to keep heat away from components you don't want removed.

[@patrikmckane4903]

Get rid of that Red weller soldering station. Its the worst soldering Iron i ever own.i have trow it in trash after i brough the t12 soldering station from aliexpress. Its changed my life. Literally.

[@ImmodderNation]

This is for beginners and the soldering iron works fine. You want something professional, get a Hakko and call it a day.

[@donlunn792]

Yawn.....Moving on

[@ImmodderNation]

Thanks for taking 10 seconds of your precious time to leave a comment telling me this.

[@donlunn792]

@@ImmodderNation No probs mate.Only took 8 seconds.👍

[@hooankee]

3:10 Not 300 Farenheit its 300 celsius or more, 400 recomended.

[@ImmodderNation]

I mixed up the units, but you knew what I meant.

[@hooankee]

@@ImmodderNation I got a 858D and can choose F or C, maybe another who also has it gets confused.

[@ImmodderNation]

Well it's a good thing this video is not an instruction manual. 🤣👍

[@hooankee]

@@ImmodderNation :D

[@teun7923]

Im cringing on ur soldering skills

[@ImmodderNation]

Do you have any suggestions, Teun?

[@teun7923]

@@ImmodderNation?

[@wowsuchhandle]

@@teun7923 Constructive criticism man.

[@ImmodderNation]

You know it's easier to criticize than to be helpful.

[@R218MEDIA]

Really rubbish

[@ImmodderNation]

What didn't you like about it?

[@michaelp3106]

STUPID LOUD MUSIC!! HEADPHONE USERS BEWARE!!!

[@ImmodderNation]

I didn't think the music was too bad. Turn the volume down.